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I'm thirsty
:-\
 
What are you doing
 
2:08 PM
@false trying to understand this "wrapping" mechanic
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which one now?
 
my understanding of monads is apparently incomplete
 
I think that applies to everyone
 
@false well, do you understand how the code above works?
 
Maybe. I stopped because there’s no definition for GlishaInner.
 
2:09 PM
right. well, it's not that relevant
original example looked like this
        newtype RIO a = UnsafeRIO { runRIO :: IO a }

        instance Monad RIO where
            return = UnsafeRIO . return
            (UnsafeRIO m) >>= k = UnsafeRIO $ m >>= runRIO . k
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Quite a log of anti-EU parties.
 
woah
deriving Monad is something I never thought about
 
@VáclavZeman That's why it amuses me when Yanks call us "Europeans". Culturally, we're really not.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, to answer your question… no!
 
2:11 PM
@false essentialy the thing above doesn't export the UnsafeRIO constructor. As such, it has "a monopoly on RIO".
 
I don’t understand why return = UnsafeRIO . return is valid. Is it in a monad other than RIO at that point?
 
@false in... IO?
 
Oh, haha
so it is
 
I'm sorry did I accidentally slip into A HASKELL ROOM
it's nice that you're talking about el RIO, though
 
IO you an apology
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2:13 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it always was a haskell room
 
@false you may return it to me later
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your patience is uplifting
(no?)
 
@BartekBanachewicz False!
 
2:16 PM
anyway, destructuring that further... UnsafeRIO . return means ... (\x -> RIO { runRIO = x }) . return
 
@BartekBanachewicz So, in that case, yes, I understand it
 
@false I can't "click" that in my brain :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which part? return?
 
@false both, really
I want a deeper understanding of what's going on.
 
@BartekBanachewicz return describes a way to put something into RIO, which is a monad
>>= describes a way to, you know. >>= something through RIO.
 
2:18 PM
@false and so return uses RIO constructor that we hide from the user
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes. That’s an implementation detail.
 
but it's composed with that other return
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I want a deeper understanding of what's going on.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, on third thought, I’m not sure why that is
Let’s go look at the signatures
 
turns out implementing nested conditionals isn't that easy
 
2:19 PM
On fourth thought, that takes it into IO.
You probably don’t want that…
 
@ScarletAmaranth You know what to do champ.
* unzips pants *
 
fap fap fap
 
returns gives you m a from a.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yep, but you’re in a return to give you RIO a from a. Or does it just always wrap IO?
Pick a practical example! Reinvent Maybe or something =)
Also, someone was asking about unsafePerformIO back in the transcript. Was that for logging?
 
@false it was me.
 
2:23 PM
Use Debug.Trace instead, if it was for logging.
 
sigh
seriously, i don't give a flying fuck
take it to the haskell room and stop lighting this room up
 
@false I was trying to break monad laws deliberately and insert malicious logging
 
There’s a Haskell room?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit this is a haskell room.
 
Ohboy
 
2:24 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it is not
 
> lighting
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit most of the regulars write haskell here
 
dat pun
 
@BartekBanachewicz most of the regulars also eat food; that doesn't make this a room about cooking
 
wait, it's not?
 
2:24 PM
@false you could always make one
 
I'm back
 
@mpark it's my colleage's code which he is currently working on. He insists it's a compiler bug. :/
 
I trotted the mutt
 
@Jefffrey don't tell TelKitty
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no offence, but you don't tell us what this room is about or not
 
2:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz no offence, but stfu
 
No offence, but no pun intended
 
right so.
 
@StackedCrooked It's either UB or a compiler bug, because the test is quite explicit and accurate that the body should not be entered when ptr is NULL.
 
seriously, though, you don't tell me what I don't tell you, mmkay?
 
2:25 PM
> 1) It is anti-woman While one's conscious thought might not be "I'm going to do this because I don't like women", creating a room with such a name and then defending it communicates that stronger than the explicit thought could.
 
 `a' is a rigid type variable bound by
          the type signature for return :: a -> RIO a at <interactive>:160:26
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery linkage
 
Use LRIO
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery makes perfect sense to me
 
2:26 PM
Wow, there really is no Haskell room
 
12 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
it's nice that you're talking about el RIO, though
 
@false that's cos nobody really cares about Haskell
 
rioooooo de janeirooooo
 
2:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I found that. Not popular.
 
@false woo
 
Just let me move this stuff over
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery lolwot.
 
no no wait
 
2:27 PM
maybe that was always a way to go
 
Keep it to "Functional Programming"
don't move to another room
 
6 messages moved to Haskell
 
@DeadMG Vagina is clearly a partriarcal term
 
...
of course
 
I agree.
what kind of woman would want to use the technical name of their own anatomy?
 
2:29 PM
What a strange place the internet has become
 
@false haha
Thanks @false.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Well, it's basically lots of humans, but way closer.
 
Now we can get back to talking about chickens and mens' vaginas.
 
You’re welcome, @LightnessRacesinOrbit. Now stop lighting up my notifications.
 
@false Okay
@false I will
 
2:30 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thanks
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I appreciate it
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why has my internets become so serious all of a sudden :(
 
@false No worries.
@false Glad to be of assistance
@false (naturally!!)
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery It was always serious. The Internet is basically just mankind, for better or worse.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I know that.
You're missing the point. If men were, as a people group, demonstrably uncomfortable with references to their genitals in this format, then yes, it would be "anti-man". But one of the points I'm trying to make above is that "anti-Brian" should be enough to give you pause if the thing that caused the offense is not essential to the mission of this site. — Brian Warshaw 17 secs ago
TIL women are demonstrably uncomfortable with references to their genitals in this format. Whatever that means.
 
OMG tomalak, please cut it - your effort at sucking up @ moderators and community managers are almost limitless
 
2:32 PM
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery I am demonstrably uncomfortable with reference to anyone’s genitals in room titles
 
this game is fun as hell: play.google.com/store/apps/…
I'll clone it once I get home
 
I am still waiting to see it get paid off
 
@false That's one of the detriments of being 16.
 
Never had any issue discussing genitalia with any woman I know. I know, anecdotal and all, but still. Maybe I just hang out with progressive people. — Etienne de Martel 1 min ago
 
Then you have spent very little time considering what daily life is like as a woman Just... just... there's nothing to say to this. How much more condescending and patronising to women could you possibly be?? — Lightness Races in Orbit 8 secs ago
 
2:35 PM
I should have stayed female
 
@chmod711telkitty That's a @false statement
 
I could have derailed that whole comment thread so much more easily
 
Yeah :(
Hey, why don't I give it a go
I'm hot and stuff
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery It’s okay. I’m watching.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Let's talk about those genitals of yours.
 
2:35 PM
Because I changed names 3 days ago
:(
 
Oh, you’re that username
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which ones!
 
You bug me even more now
 
The fact that vaginas exist is hardly "private". Is US culture really still this archaic? I'm genuinely astounded. — Lightness Races in Orbit 50 secs ago
I think that is the crux of it here. The States has a decades-old attitude to gender divides; I've seen it first hand
 
2:37 PM
Do vaginas really exist? I've only ever seen penises. /cc @rightfold
 
they're a mythical anatomical feature rumoured to exist on those rare and wild beasties known as "women".
scientific evidence for this is still lacking.
inb4 "you're lacking"
 
op can't inb4
 
> I hate South Indian people; they're too racist.
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Overheard that.
 
@chmod711telkitty ternary algebra
 
2:41 PM
Yes, I am trying to end this conversation, because it's become clear to me that it'll only become constructive and/or sensical once the USA has reached the same level of cultural enlightenment that the rest of the first world found three decades ago. — Lightness Races in Orbit 50 secs ago
 
now impressive as that ascii art was, that's a flag
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
 
hey @WilliamAndrewMontgomery
 
@ÓlafurWaage Hi
 
2:41 PM
How is?
 
There was a 2-3 year old kid in Sainsbury's this morning, stomping and shouting as he made his way out of the store with his dad; couldn't tell whether he was happy or in a tantrum, until his dad asked him to be quiet and his response was, as he walked out the door, "I can't help it Dad! I'm just too excited!!" Made me giggle for three minutes.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Thanks! As long as Yanks feel the need to "protect" or "defend" their poor iccle ladies, they're never going to be treating them with any kind of respect. It's utterly pathetic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Was it said by a Brit?
 
2:42 PM
at least he was stomping on the ground
there was this kid stomping on the table at the local mall, while his incompetent mum was trying to feed him
I swear I would have loved to smack both him and his mother
 
Why, are we still talking about rightfold's private parts? Shouldn't we ... have moved on a while ago?
 
private "part"
 
rightfold's parts are public parts
 
@chmod711telkitty yes
but some sexist tossers keep commenting about it on meta
 
@chmod711telkitty private? I think's it's already public writeonly unsealed open
 
2:43 PM
nothrow
 
volatile
 
pushonly
 
inline
 
override
 
2:44 PM
dynamic_cast ~_~
 
penis
 
@ÓlafurWaage is that from genitalia++?
I've heard it's a nice language
 
@AlexM. the std library is good but spreads a bit
 
lol
 
Feel free to let it be ended, then. I can't convince you (and, by the votes, I can't convince 3 or 4 others, either), and that's not really necessary. I'm content, at least, that we agree on points 2 and 3, because they are perhaps most relevant to this site, where your enlightened feet and my caveman knuckles happen to drag across the same plane. — Brian Warshaw 1 min ago
pretty resistant
needs more troll power
Say something about how you are amazed he even has internet
Or something
 
2:46 PM
rightfold's private xxxxx need to be dynamically casted at run time ... just to be safe ~_~
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery haha nah he's responded well. I'm happy with that
 
we don't want it to be the wrong type >_<
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery "wait, how did you post this without electricity?"
 
I have to mention I am the master of the word "penis" in this room.
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@EtiennedeMartel And I own "smurf". But willing to let the public use it.
 
2:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Only because you love it so much
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Penises are cool. Like fezes. Fezs? Fez? How do you say that plural?
Anyway. Penises.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Fezzes, probably.
 
So weird.
 
Do you understand why Haskell is needed in this room
 
Because it's an endangered species?
 
2:48 PM
You never need haskell.
 
@false Because it has kell?
 
@ÓlafurWaage :F
 
(Heh, I just mistyped "public" as "punlic")
 
@EtiennedeMartel penii
 
2:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz A penus, several peni.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Dans le déni.
(Ou dans Denis, c'est selon)
 
If he is only updating that link and is ignoring other problems, then the edits are by definition, too minor, and should be rejected or improved. I've never agreed with this, and never will. Stack Overflow does not have a limited number of edit revisions available; it's not going to run out of space for edits. Fixing these links and nothing else is better than not fixing them at all; rejecting such edits, then, is to do a disservice to the community ... and for what? Because the editor didn't fix everything else, too? Please. — Lightness Races in Orbit 13 secs ago
 
@EtiennedeMartel Un anu.
 
2:51 PM
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery En alu.
 
I really really want constraint programming in C#
 
Just to be clear: naming chatrooms after genitalia on a programming Q&A site is a stupid idea regardless of whose genitalia we're talking about. Wiping the rest of this comment discussion, again, and locking this because y'all seem intent on repeatedly missing the point here. — Shog9 ♦ 6 mins ago
 
Oh for fuck's sake you overgrown child
 
2:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's your take on the Ukip?
 
"Handcrafted artisan functions"
 
@EtiennedeMartel I charge £150/hr for my time. I require 50% payment up-front for consultations. So, £600 please. I take PayPal.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Didn't know Puppy was that rich.
 
(IOW "do you have eight hours? :P")
@EtiennedeMartel pro bono for him cos he needs it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Technically, yes. But I'm also technically at work.
 
2:59 PM
@Etienne nope. By an Indian.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes figures
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, there goes my crappy joke.
 
@Collin homebrewed C functions
 
Time to listen to some Dave Brubeck.
 
having to put in a number of hours each month sure is annoying
technically I can't work on anything until tomorrow when the designer comes
but I have to sit here like a sad fuck for time to pass
 
3:08 PM
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Q: Queer malloc behavior using SDL

MasmaI am currently working on a game project for my programming course and I've stumbled upon a bug that seems beyond my competence to even begin to comprehend. This bug affects a list structure that links nods, as follows: struct node{ ...

Which makes me notice that levenshtein(malloc, faggot) = 4
 
I'm confused, that's a perfectly reasonable use of the word queer
 
I didn't say it isn't
 
mmmm edits
 
\0/ EU election today! Club is next to polling station, and it's open early.
 
i just wanted that glorious title to be in my edit history
 
3:17 PM
whoa, latex can do stuff like this?
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Q: drawing a matrix with its minors

sheldoorI want to create something like this: This should be a matrix and I want to consider its minors which are drawn by __|. I want to draw also a line from one minor to a place outside of the matrix to explain something ('text'). After a short internet search I've tried some stuff and got a very ...

 
We've already had to deal with a/s/l, @Burhan - folks engaging in that particular behavior tend to find their chatrooms deleted, along with their chat accounts and often main-site accounts. — Shog9 ♦ 12 mins ago
This mod is out of control
>.<
 
trust him, he thinks he knows what he's doing
> Community Coordinator for Stack Exchange, Inc.
Trust me - I think I know what I'm doing
 
Community Coordinator: coordinating the destruction of communities, one at a time
insert Godwin herr here
 
tbh I don't like the way he acts, dropping nukes all the time because tl;dr
but hey, there are employees not doing their job properly in all businesses
why would SE be any different
I think all community coordinators should be Grace Note or clones of Grace Note
then all problems would be solved calmly with both parties (if there are two) agreeing with neutral terms
goddamn the zerg music in starcraft 1 was amazing
 
3:28 PM
I was listening to Zerg 2 right now, I think it's a bit better than Zerg 1
but really, all three are great lol
 
Terran are the best
 
@ÓlafurWaage a guy dropped this saying "why the hell doesn't today's game music make you feel badass like this did"
 
@ÓlafurWaage oh man I remember that
 
woo more upvotes in
 
3:30 PM
C&C, mediocre rts with badass music and cheesy live action story
 
@ÓlafurWaage one of the first MP3s I ever had
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha same, that and 1-2 songs from cypress hill
 
@AlexM. Preferred the Terran themes myself.
 
@BartekBanachewicz moved one message to Haskell
 
also the human music in warcraft 3
 
3:33 PM
ITT "human music"
 
I haven't seen a Blizzard game where the music can compete with the art in its entirety
 
the music is usually great, sure, but compared to the awe the cinematics and stuff always inspired, it feels mediocre
 
diablo music captured the mood perfectly, dunno about the graphics
 
I think it's because there's usually a difference in like-ability between tracks that you don't see in other composers' work
if you like a few of Soule's tracks, chances are you'll enjoy all of them, for example
there's a more pronounced consistency in his case, I think
@ÓlafurWaage yeah, diablo 1 was a great example of what I mean
 
3:36 PM
/topic Lounge<Blizzard> Stay a while and listen.
 
all of the tracks are more melodic than ambiental, except for Hell
which breaks the consistency
 
hell is supposed to shock you
iirc
 
it did seem scary, yes
 
dunno if it worked
 
but coming after Caves' metal bits, it feels a bit out of place
 
3:37 PM
Baal > Diablo, in terms of scaryness and toughness
same with the new guy in 3
found those fights to be a lot better
 
Baal is like an insane dictator lol
 
have you played the expansion in 3?
 
haven't played 3 at all
one of the best written pieces in Diablo
after Farnham's description of the butcher of course
 
butcher scared the crap out of me
back then
 
the animations in D1 still feel smooth, damn Blizzard sure know their art
yeah butcher was scary lol
the whole game was scary for me as a kid
 
3:43 PM
have you read the code of honor blog?
 
first time I hear of it
seems interesting
 
old programmer from blizzard, very good articles there about programming the old blizzard games
specially the networking one
 
I'll take a look once I get home, thanks!
 
hopefully I'll get to work on bigger games myself soon :( I feel stuck
 
3:45 PM
doing games now?
 
yeah, I'm developing little mobile games for kids usually aged below 15
 
lol
I need to start studying other areas of gamedev
in the past two years I've been Unity-ing only
and kept myself ignorant of anything else
Unity is a great opportunity for mobile gamedev jobs, and keeping myself stuck in it will likely keep me away from other stuff, like PC and console development
which is actually what I want
 
I like making everything myself, not to actually release something but to learn about how x and y works
so I have a lot of little prototype things lying around
 
yeah I'll have to do serious amounts of that right now
 
3:50 PM
I did 1 game jam in unity, was fun
 
programming gameplay that uses premade assets is simple and fun but...
fml, I have no idea how shaders work even
 
ahh shaders are fun, try to learn phong lighting first
 
any question on gamedev.se that gets asked and is not about gameplay programming and/or general architecture seems unreachable to me
my top answers are for questions called "Do you actually use diagrams to model games?" and "Which part of a game should I start developing first?"
 
@ÓlafurWaage yeah, I have no idea what that is either, I'll google it
 
3:52 PM
how are you in linear algebra?
 
@ÓlafurWaage I'm following this book to study math
and I noticed half of it is the math I studied in the first year of college
so it doesn't seem difficult to grasp
 
yup
it's nothing terribly difficult
 
the root cause of my issues is, I think, the fact that I skipped some important steps to get to goals faster
and now I have to backtrack and learn what I have not learned before
 
yup, thats a mistake
 
woot, it'll be 7PM soon, I can go home
well, not really, I planned to go see a movie with a couple of colleagues on Saturday but they called me today saying the stuff got replanned and I have to go right now
meh
 
user1804599
3:57 PM
Don’t go if you don’t like it.
 
well I want to see the movie
it's just that I planned to have a beer and code a bit this evening
but I guess I can do that after 23 too
actually I don't know if I want to see the movie, they invited me
it's the new Godzilla
 
whether
i just arranged to see that on sat
looking forward to it
 

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