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3:00 AM
hmmm, he's more about /expecting/ something along those lines. Not sure about his exact confuses.
 
No, I just voted to delete that question.
Shitty question with a whole bunch of shitty answers doesn't need to stick around.
 
user1646075
no doubt there's a bucket-load of q's considering the point. he won't know how to find them because he doesn't know what question he needs to ask
 
3:15 AM
Interesting, this user passed away on August 13. But his last seen is August 17.
 
whoa wait what
 
Yeah. Sad. I wonder what happened to him. He had large meta presence.
 
That is too freaky haha
I'm not used to people dying online!
 
Don't worry. Robots don't die.
 
@Mysticial How weird. He answered a question on August 2nd. 11 days before his death.
How'd he die?
An accident?
 
3:20 AM
I don't know. There was a meta post that lasted about 10 min. before the OP requested it be deleted. I can't find it anymore.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But what if he had a little buffer overflow.
 
But that was right after he died and before that page was made.
I checked just now because I noticed that he was still 2nd place in the suggested edits queue.
So I searched for him and found that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If I give you a long enough question, would you crash?
 
So now I know when Michael died. But I don't know how. But the tone of the meta post sounded very sudden, which does hint at an accident.
 
user1646075
where's the last post on 17th? can't find. could be heart, or something like that.
 
user1646075
3:25 AM
that's a cute site. hope it helps relatives feel the love.
 
> seen Aug 17 at 16:03
 
I wish they would just release The Interview online. That'll show those hackers.
(Maybe even for free?)
 
8
Q: Is there a problem 'wearing' a virtual Saint Lucia hat?

user6641Is there any issur, perhaps related to lo teileichu b'hukat hagoyim, in 'wearing' a virtual hat which celebrates Saint Lucia day? Related

 
My guess he was probably still logged in and the person cleaning his stuff might've clicked around.
 
@Mysticial Cleaning?
 
3:26 AM
I'm writing a program to automate this one specific task.
Reminds me of this
'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-' meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'.
5
 
@Nooble Usually when someone dies, somebody in the family goes through their stuff and decide what to do with it.
 
@Mysticial Right but, password protection
Unless you tell your family your password.
 
I've been helping my mom and uncle go through my grandfather's stuff when he passed away in October.
 
When I die, everything involving me will be gone.
My parents do not know I exist online.
No one knows my password.
My .kbdx file is encrypted.
 
@Rapptz You will live in our hearts, @Rapptz
 
3:28 AM
lol
 
@Nooble That's typical. My parents have given be a "dead man's file" that contains information on where to obtain the passwords on all their stuff should they die (such as a plane crash).
 
@Rapptz And in Robot's case, his processor.
 
All that's left is a script that automatically detects my death and deletes my browser history.
Technology has not advanced to this point yet.
 
Obviously I hope I'll never have to use it, but they travel a lot and it only takes one one plane crash...
 
You could always wear a heart monitor that's connected to a cheap prepaid phone that sends a text...
something, something, packets, udp
And then to your computer.
Then run a script on your computer.
Alternatively, why not private browsing mode?
 
3:33 AM
because I use my browser history
 
Encrypt it, password protect it.
@Mysticial What are the odds anyway?
 
3:59 AM
Tumbleweed
 
posted on December 18, 2014 by Scott Meyers

The video of my keynote address at Meeting C++ 2014 on December 5 has just been posted to the Meeting C++ Channel at YouTube. I was given a long time slot (two hours), so I addressed two rather different topics, both based on my work of the past quarter century identifying and promulgating guidelines for effective C++ programming. The meat of the first topic is an explanation of how one of t

 
user1646075
4:20 AM
 
4:44 AM
@GuruAdrian Birdemic.
 
user1646075
what is that supposed to be? the fires and the smokes
 
beeeeeeeeeeer
 
5:01 AM
@CatPlusPlus The elixir of life.
 
user1646075
I had to stop at the coathangers, Can't Cope.
 
5:24 AM
The elixir of drunke
I might be on a fast track to complete mental breakdown
aaaahahaha the keys are overlapping when I look at the keyboard top down
 
5:46 AM
Scott's keynote, finally
 
morning
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey morning. Should we worry about Cat?
 
user1646075
he's been at the catnip
 
ah
nah, he'll be fine
 
user1646075
I'm labouring through an ipad vs. android comparo, complete with spreadsheets and evryfink. I've been putting it off for too long
 
user1646075
5:57 AM
a major neg for the ipad is: SD slot: no
 
user1646075
also no usb, and from what I've heard there's bugger-all file transfer capability through bluetooth or wifi. Too much hand-holding to allow that.
 
user1646075
still to confirm that bad news
 
user1646075
 
6:16 AM
You've gotta be kidding me, one of my packages got sent to the wrong state.
One order, two packages, one arrived, the other went to the other side of the country.
 
user1646075
aaaarggghhhh! I wondered what that ghostly scream was I heard echoing down from the stratosphere
 
6:41 AM
I saw catnip for sale @ bunnings
on sale too!
 
6:52 AM
But I like the comments below function declarations.
All the rest is so weird.
 
IIRC one of my ex-colleagues used to work for bloomberg. He told us that bloomberg had this strict 9-5 (or 8-5? 9-6?) working schedule.
 
7:14 AM
Scott's talk makes me sad
My SO frontpage is currently and only
 
7:28 AM
@Borgleader wokay! Sorry I was asleep earlier. I've answered it. It's one of those well hidden documentation details. Between you and me: Nobody uses Spirit Lex. Not even the devs
@StackedCrooked not too much is weird IMO. Just stringent alignment of columns. I like the fact that it's clear. I don't usually mind how they achieve it, but they did achieve clarity. That's the key for me
Great answer! I knew that you would answer this. sehe at his best. — user1 8 hours ago
I'm always mildly confused when I write an answer saying "You're a moron don't do that", and OP writes a raving comment to thank me. I'm so afraid he missed my point...
@GuruAdrian You have weird interests. You should meet up with Tony. I think you could have long, interesting, conversations about religion
 
7:52 AM
@Cat uhoh looks like Jeff is getting personal:
Today I learned that 50% of cats die from cancer
 
user1804599
8:11 AM
@Jefffrey yummy
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes silly religions
 
@sehe lol
 
user1804599
The American date format, created by me it was.
 
Ok, so where do I put docstrings in Python?
Like class related docstrings.
Before the class is "NOT ALLOWED" because of PEP8, apparently
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey eh, just where you always put docstrings?
 
user1804599
8:20 AM
class Jefffrey(Noob):
    """The most noobish noob ever."""
 
I never write docstrings.
 
user1804599
def create_noob():
    """Return an astonishing noob."""
    return Jefffrey()
 
Docstrings are for pussies.
But I see, thanks.
 
user1804599
@Ell in June or July
 
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooored.
Hi.
 
user1804599
8:35 AM
Go kill humans.
 
user1804599
Oh wait I'm advocating murder oops.
 
user1804599
Swift seems interesting; may try it.
 
cpx
Hi.
Checking how my hat looks.
 
user1804599
> The full error is "IR generation failure: program too clever: variable collides with existing symbol _TWPSaSs12SequenceType".
 
user1804599
> program too clever
 
user1646075
8:39 AM
@sehe Everytime you correct my use of apostrophe, I'm going to hit you with a novel word. Remember lampoon? The advantage of being a native English speaker, rather than an educated one. in4b etc
 
user1646075
@sehe religion or it's replacement....
 
user1804599
@GuruAdrian inb4*
 
user1804599
@GuruAdrian its*
 
user1646075
@rightføld lolz - caught!
 
user1646075
@rightføld that was a low-hanging fruit.
 
user1804599
8:41 AM
I hate fruits.
 
user1646075
not even on pizza?
 
I have been having fruits for lunch this week
 
user1646075
I am staggered how many shit websites there are out there. Searching for a specific toy is driving me nuts. There are still websites pulling that "Please login and give me all your contact details so we can spam the shit out of you" trick before I can read about a product.
 
Hmm
 
user1646075
also online-sale collector sites - whatever tf they like to call themselves - should expire gently in their sleep of old age, but preferably today.
 
8:44 AM
@GuruAdrian True that
 
user1646075
Grrrr. GRRRRR I say!
 
user1646075
how hard can it be to buy a Razor Ripstik or PowerWing in aus? Seems like they are soooooo last year
 
Oh, the operator needs to go in the line below
 
user1646075
My poor missy always seems to miss out. She's going to get middle child syndrome.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey really? that's kinda neat actually
 
user1804599
8:47 AM
@Jefffrey not, not !
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey not (stored_token.is_valid() and stored_token.check_token(token))
 
user1646075
well-spotted. that caught me many times when i dabbled recently.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey no, it doesn't.
 
user1804599
Whitespace is irrelevant between parentheses.
 
Moving it down solved all errors except the first syntax error
@rightføld Don't you need to only use not when dealing with None?
Like: is not None?
 
user1804599
8:50 AM
is not and not are different operators.
 
user1646075
in python, ! doesn't even exist. correct?
 
user1804599
There is no ! operator.
 
user1804599
is not is one operator.
 
Oh
Woops
Thanks again
 
OK...
 
8:54 AM
Flake8 is awesome.
 
I have a some complex issue with threads destruction in log4cplus when compiling with Clang (and I assume) with libc++.
I have no idea how to reduce the library and the test case into something small.
 
user1804599
SSCCE
 
user1646075
@VáclavZeman as soon as you said 'threads' you lost ;-(
 
@rightføld I cannot figure out how to do that. The test case is an integration test of the whole library. I can hardly reduce that.
I have known about this issue for over a year and I hoped it would go away with newer version of Clang, etc. But it stays there. So either Clang or log4cplus is doing something wrong.
 
user1804599
Compile the faulty code with GCC and the rest with clang!
 
8:59 AM
I guess...I could try to fork the library on GitHub and try to reduce it. But it will hardly ever be single file test case.
Or actually use a branch...Hmm...
 
@Xeo, if I didn't have enough disk space for Anime before. I do now.
 
Xeo
"if"
 
Xeo
What did you get, a petabyte?
 
I don't have enough SATA power ports yet. I will tomorrow when I stop by the electronics store.
 
Xeo
9:03 AM
also, looks messy.
is that thing going to stand besides the tower?
 
Yeah, it'll be its own tower. I'll wire the cables in through the back of the case so that I can close it.
I'm in the middle of retiring my old Xeon server and moving all the hard drives into a single machine (4770K).
See if you can count how many drives are in that picture.
 
Xeo
also, I'm so sleeeepyyyyy
 
Are you working today?
 
@Mysticial: I found out that I can live with about a 1 TiB of storage half of which is porn and films which I have watched exactly once and never since then. Why do you need so much space?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
9:07 AM
@VáclavZeman Not the space actually. It's the bandwidth that I'm after.
The machine had about 600 - 800 MB/s sequential disk bandwidth over 8 drives. I'll be doubling that to 16.
I can power on 12 of the drives right now and that gets about 1.0 - 1.2 GB/s bandwidth.
 
@Mysticial What for?
 
What is the name of the psychological disorder for males that only use female characters as profile picture?
 
I could probably get more if I used the boot drive and loaded up the USB3.0 ports to my external drives.
 
streaming HD porn, probably :P
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty orbitophilia?
 
9:09 AM
@chmod711telkitty Anime-fanboi-ism.
 
@VáclavZeman but they are only fan to female characters?
@GuruAdrian Ornithophilia?
 
@chmod711telkitty Is it really a disorder? Is it not wishful thinking/doing sort of? :)
 
@VáclavZeman paying more time, money and effort than using SSDs obviously
 
@thecoshman No, I mean, why do you need such bandwidth? What are you doing with it?
 
@VáclavZeman It will be a disorder if we give it enough emphasize :p
 
9:11 AM
@chmod711telkitty :)
 
Xeo
He's using it as masturbation material
Just the pure thought of the bandwidth gets him hard
 
@thecoshman SSDs wouldn't stand a chance under the workloads that I'll be subjecting them to. They die after about a petabyte of writes. 16 of the 19 drives in this picture each have more than that already.
 
@VáclavZeman boot times maybe?
@Mysticial oh, is this more number shit?
 
Yeah.
 
well, it's something to do I guess
 
9:13 AM
oh number crunching
 
I'd rather watch paint dry, but what ever floats your boat
 
The problem with Haswell is that it's so fast that I can stream 2 GB/s of computation. I don't have anywhere near as much disk bandwidth to keep up with it.
 
also my chickens love cheese rings ... this is so wrong
 
Xeo
> complaining about a processor that's too fast
5
> mysticial world problems
 
Ah, numbers.
 
9:15 AM
@Mysticial Is that to write the results to disk you need that bandwith?
 
user1804599
@Xeo Put a breakpoint at every instruction, problem solved!
 
@TonyTheLion Not quite. I use the disks as memory and I use memory as cache. So computations are actually being performed on them.
 
@Mysticial do you actually need to store at that rate?
 
@Mysticial oh wow
 
My chickens have been given all sorts of things to eat: chicken feed, rice, dough, noodles, salmon & crab leftover, bacon, pork, cucumber, various veges. But they thing they both love the most are the cheese rings!
 
9:16 AM
I see, I'm slow this morning
 
@Mysticial ooh o_0
 
Seek latency has mostly been optimized out. But bandwidth is and will always be needed.
 
so how big are those drives?
 
I overlap CPU computation with disk I/O. And I need at least 2GB/s of disk bandwidth to keep up with an i7 4770K @ 4 GHz.
8 threads perform computation. At the same time, there's 1 thread per drive performing I/O all at the same time.
@thecoshman Most of them are 2 TB. Some are 1 TB.
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty that would be using birds, wouldn't it? Look carefully at mine...
 
9:19 AM
@Mysticial If you have CPU time to spare, perhaps you can compress the data before writing it to disk?
 
@rubenvb Random data doesn't compress very well. :(
 
user1646075
@thecoshman 'floats' I see what you did there.
 
@rubenvb not much point moving the problem along like that really
 
Essentially, the machine is gonna look something like this: numberworld.org/misc_runs/pi-5t/10050303.jpg
 
@Mysticial why not look to use a 10gig network to a NAS/SAN?
 
9:20 AM
But instead of 2 expensive CPUs, a single Haswell will do it.
@thecoshman They're expensive. And I'm not too familiar with Infiniband to take the risk of buying and trying it.
It doesn't solve the problem. Either way, it boils down to disk bandwidth. I don't care how fast the network is, it still needs to go into some storage.
For now it's possible to cram a hundred drives into a single motherboard if you max out all the PCIe with massive controllers.
So there's no need to network multiple machines together.
And you won't run out of PCIe bandwidth either since that shit is built to handle video.
 
yeah, but you can get one machine doing 1g/s, so a 10g network with some more machines means maybe 8g/s
@Mysticial you'll start to hit latency problems soon enough
 
@thecoshman But all the hard drives needed to support 8 GB/s of bandwidth can still fit into a single machine. (by fit, I mean attach to a single motherboard. I don't mean physically inside a consumer case)
@thecoshman Latency doesn't matter. It's been optimized out at the software level. It's bandwidth that matters.
 
user1804599
Write to an old-school tape!
 
@thecoshman the alternative is more expensive hardware which may or may not exist, really. Or change the code to use less bandwidth, but I doubt he hasn't tried that yet :-p
 
@Mysticial fair enough
 
9:28 AM
so to how many trillion digits are you calculating Pi this time?
 
lol
 
lol
 
user1646075
@TonyTheLion a gazillion trillion!
 
a googol
 
I'm not calculating anything. But I do need to unit-test the program at larger sizes under various conditions to make sure it holds.
The rich people are the ones who do the actual calculations.
 
9:29 AM
oh
 
that doesn't sound like unit testing
 
@Mysticial so you just write the software and test it?
 
Yeah, kinda.
I don't really have hardware that's worth bragging about - when compared the serious players.
 
You have more hardware than the average Lounger
 
With 12 x 2 TB + 4 x 1 TB, I can unit-test a 5 trillion digit multiply. If I had 16 x 2TB, I could test up to 10 trillion.
 
9:32 AM
@TonyTheLion probably us combined
 
@Mysticial why not just constrain the test system so that the scaling is preserved?
 
What do you mean?
 
@Mysticial That's a lot of TB's
 
I mean, the absolute sizes don't matter, right? You just want to know if a system that needs additional HDD memory will still work.
 
@Mysticial when you moving to 128 bit systems?
 
9:34 AM
Just constrain the test system to say, 1GB of RAM, and run a relatively heavy computation on that.
It seems you're just trying to stress test the hardware instead of test your software.
But I may be to naive here :-P
 
Well, to square a number in-place, I need about 3x the bytes as the size. So multiplying a 5 trillion digit number by itself will need about 15 TB of disk space. But the total disk space isn't the sum of the sizes. It's the smallest HD x the # of drives.
@rubenvb Both. The software needs to be behave properly when the hardware fails.
But replacing the 4 x 1TB in the system with 4 x 2TB isn't hard. I should have enough of those lying around.
But they might be in-use, so I'd have to copy data around.
Anyways, I need to sleep.
Got work tomorrow.
 
Night!
 
> In Linux, raw IO is done using the flag, "O_DIRECT". But it seems that all disk IO (raw or not) incurs a tremendous CPU overhead on all 3 file systems that I have tested, (ext4, XFS, and NTFS).
 
@Mysticial: Are you using some super smart multiplication algorithm?
 
... why not write you're own file system?
 
9:38 AM
@thecoshman Or better! User raw partitions directly. ;)
 
@VáclavZeman Not really. Sure, it's faster than most of the ones out there, but when you're limited by disk, they're all the same.
@thecoshman Why would I when NTFS works perfectly? lol
 
@Mysticial Do all of them access the "digits" the same many times?
 
Night for realz.
@VáclavZeman Yeah. Provided you have enough ram, squaring a number on disk takes approximately 3 passes over the data. 4 for a multiply.
 
user1646075
@thecoshman an old cray. 2nd-hand on e-bay
 
@Mysticial Hmm. Wouldn't the Karatsuba multiplication or similar algorithms improve the locality of the digits they use and maybe use a lot less...? Dunno. That is beyond my understanding of things. :)
 
user1646075
9:46 AM
@thecoshman that's you speaking, or quoting someone else?
 
user1646075
@VáclavZeman <<== this
 
@GuruAdrian quoting @Mysticial
 
user1646075
Linux and raw was a bit of an issue at first. Linus could not believe the merit of raw access, and the db maestro's had all sorts of battles to convince the upper echelon of linux development that it does in fact have merit.
 
user1646075
@thecoshman oh right. Yeah, the cost is the time it spends dicking around with allocations into the fsys tree. Totally avoidable!
 
user1646075
it's hard to convince believers of O/S buffering that there can be better ways for specialist use.
 
user1646075
9:50 AM
And I remember the first time I heard of raw space, I had a long drawn out argument with the other person. Who was my neighbour/landlord as it happens. Wierd.
 
@Borgleader this is how you do Boost Spirit questions stackoverflow.com/questions/27542027/… :) Apparently it's easy to learn the wrong things from the samples :(
@GuruAdrian is that Haskell?
 
user1646075
it's an arrow!
 
user1646075
feel free to punctuate it and turn it into a complete sentence.
 
@GuruAdrian point it to the knee!
 
@GuruAdrian You took an arrow to the knee?
@sehe Damnit
 
user1646075
9:52 AM
haha. Smart-ass doesn't pay.
 
Who is smart-ass?
 
user1646075
well, clearly the animals
 
@GuruAdrian oh, so the kernal itself has to allow it before a file system can take advantage of it?
 
this place is a zoo
haven't you noticed?
room topic changed to Zoo<C++>: DANGER: Watch out for wild animals! [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq] [zoo++]
 
user1646075
@thecoshman wellll, trad. unix offered character devices and block devices. char devices went straight to hardware. Block went through O/S buffering. You could actually open a filesystem on the character device, but you'd really suffer from the lack of buffering, given the way filesystems are written etc.
 
9:56 AM
@GuruAdrian but someone like Mystical could write a fs catering for his specific needs
 
user1646075
Linux support for character devices was really really poor at first. and there were strict limits to how big a buffer you could use; really tiny limits. db's would like to use huge coalesced buffers where possible. Strangely enough, the poor performance of it on linux was used as a counter-argument to prove that it's not better! That's like saying 'the horse doesn't need the full 4 legs, look how slow it is on 3!'
 
@Xeo lol ikr
 
user1646075
@thecoshman i doubt mystical actually needs a fs. Just a few or even 1 massive 'file' which could be simply page 0 to page n of a partition.
 
user1646075
Also - a thing called Kernel asynchronous IO (KAIO) was another supercharging feature where read and write calls could be performed async with various signals being sent to the code as pages were transferred. Good db engines exploited that with very clever code.
 

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