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8:00 PM
Well, a compromise could be that for "internal" or "detail" type helper templates that are not meant to be seen by the user, I just implement them completely in the header.
 
we need some sort of a single device to keep our money on
and the ability to send money to people using the same device
via NFC or sth
I had to go 1km away from work to find an ATM to give a colleague some money
if we had those nice money sticks, a simple bump and bam! money sent
the fact that you still need cash in certain situations is probably the culprit
you can't even use the credit card everywhere
let alone a new device to store and transfer money
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Here's a Verge article gushing over it
I like it so far, personally.
I like the to-do list approach to email.
I also really like Inky
 
> Error establishing a database connection
seems decent
 
 
40 minutes until next bus
ffs
 
user1804599
8:11 PM
Imperative programming is fun.
 
you're a control freak
 
No NFC for me
That stuff is so freaky
 
oh God, it's a wonder! It compiles on linux!
xD
 
@Rerito I like it
I can pay at McDonald's without entering my PIN because of it or something similar to it
I just place my card in front of the terminals on which you can enter the PIN
and bam, it works, I pay in 2 seconds
 
Contactless payment is a fucking stupid idea
No way in hell I'm getting one of those
 
8:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Same here
 
yeah I don't feel comfortable with it too
 
you're all weird
 
Only an idiot would be all like "bam it's amazing etc"
 
weirdos :A
 
someone could just scan the shit out of your ass.. xD
 
8:22 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think the same, though I have been thinking about it
 
I dont feel comfortable with the idea some random dude can read my banking info quietly sitting in the subway
 
finally I used GitHub the right way :D I feel like i'm part of the bigger society now
 
What's so hard about just swiping your card and entering your PIN, anyway? Such lazy people everywhere.
 
According to the people I have talked to, there is a limit like 500 CZK to the contactless payment without PIN.
 
Yes, £10 here
So?
 
8:23 PM
@Gizmo yes
someone could also steal your wallet with cash in it
 
@AlexM. at least more noticable
 
Also, every nth payment needs entering PIN.
 
And when you have a contactless card but didn't intend to use it. Oh, darn!
 
@Gizmo the bank notices things too
if you have a complaint, you go there
 
EXPLICIT actions shall be required when taking my money, thank you very much.
 
8:24 PM
yeah mostly they will refund stolen cash.. at least here
 
"this guy stole my money via contactless payment"
and they investigate
 
how do you "investigate" that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I am thinking similarly, it seems that with the right equipment you can skim from peoples accounts. Though you would, I guess, need somebody in a real bank to accept the payments...
 
have fun recovering your wallet though
@LightnessRacesinOrbit by seeing where the money went
because yeah the bank can't lose money without knowing where they go
 
Magnetic strip is less secure than contactless
 
8:25 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I am just playing devils advocate. I have refused the contactless debit card they tried to push onto me as well.
 
great system - we'll just ignore the obvious theft angle because the banks will pay for all of the lost money
@milleniumbug that's quite clearly not true
 
Poor security protocol, letting anyone skilled enough suck your account info
 
@milleniumbug Evidence, references?
 
without triggering any payment
this whole payment threshold is utter bs
 
I'd use cash for everything if my expenditure could be automatically tracked that way
 
8:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Skimmers are simple to make
 
@milleniumbug Skimmers need access to your card
 
oh shit
here's me like, "I wonder when the REAL Steam Sale will start?"
answer: RIGHT FUCKING NOW
 
you should spend your money on a new brain instead
 
github.com/grasmanek94/AntiServerFullAttackFix so, how did I do for my first github release? XD
or well not first on github
 
so
 
8:32 PM
but first real release using version history and fancy stuff
 
I guess that Scotland are feeling better about not betting their economic future on North Sea oil right about now
 
I said that hours ago
bus in 12 mins gotta gooo
 
user1804599
Time to play a video game.
 
Steam with its sales is ruining my life.
 
I think I ingested some of the plastic knife my food came with
the tip got lost inside the melted cheese most likely
 
user1804599
8:44 PM
go to doctor before cancer
 
meh I don't worry
my shit will be Made in China for a day
but that's okay
 
8:56 PM
TIL "splice" means to interweave. I thought it'd mean "split".
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> Valve has implemented new region locks on Steam games that prevent them being gifted between certain regions. The move, according to a message reportedly sent to developers that found its way to Reddit, was made because of the tumbling value of the Russian ruble, but the net result for gamers is that a popular method of picking up cheap games has been cut off.
I did not expect this to branch out to games so quickly
 
@Borgleader I know the operators but how are they working in the return statement! That explanation is required — Saad Hussain 9 mins ago
TIL operators act differently in presence of a return statement =/
 
lolwut
 
@StackedCrooked Splicing is putting things together, not taking them apart.
 
Knowing this does help to understand std::list.
 
9:03 PM
@StackedCrooked The first thing to understand about std::list would be why you care at all. Seriously, in the nearly 20 years since I first saw std::list, I've used it fewer than half a dozen times, and in retrospect almost all of those were undoubtedly mistakes.
 
@JerryCoffin Because mutexes.
Sean Parent mentioned in his C++ Seasoning talk that if you have a std::list protected with a mutex
 
then you're a fool?
 
Then you can do the node allocation outside of the lock (in a separate std::list object) and then splice them together under the lock.
 
@rightføld seriously
 
@StackedCrooked Okay....
 
9:06 PM
Hence I needed to lookup "splice".
 
std::list is awesome
 
I acutally thought splice was a way to split a std::list.
 
we need more lists
 
cppreference has examples on it lol
 
who needs cache anyway
 
9:07 PM
it should be semi-obvious at that point I think
 
Yep, but I've never used list so I didn't bother checking it out.
 
OH: "take me down to concurrency city where green pretty is grass the girls the and are" - @mattpodwysocki
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It took me a while to understand
 
@Jefffrey <3
 
@StackedCrooked Fair enough, I guess--I have the advantage (?) of having learned how to splice rope when I was younger...
 
Me too. But we didn't call it splice :P
 
9:09 PM
@JerryCoffin Being a native might help yeah ^^
 
@Jefffrey Ah good one, exploded in laughter
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey exactly
 
Are there any other popular languages other than C/C++ that have separate declarations and definitions? I can't seem to think of any.
 
user1804599
Objective-C (even ignoring the C part).
 
@EmileCormier "C/C++" isn't a language
 
9:20 PM
Pascal
I think you were able to do something like that in Pascal
 
with forward, yes
 
@milleniumbug The slash was intended as an "or"
 
@EmileCormier Well, I certainly hope so.
 
@EmileCormier Haskell
oh wait, popular
 
I was thinking about the template class separate declaration/definition dilemma I had earlier, and I now realize that programmers are probably already used to reading code that does not separate definition and declaration (like Java, C#, etc).

P.S. I'm making a big deal out of this because it's going to be a chore to move my .inl code back to the header files.
 
9:24 PM
can haskell be considered popular?
 
no.
 
it's definitely more popular than agda
 
okay so my English lacks many words, and I'm kinda asking for a bit help.. what terms should I google if I want linux software that can manage processes on a server? You know like game hosting companies have start/stop buttons for your game server? But I want if for any application. So.. what terms are the best to google for?
 
I forgot to buy alcohol for today
or more exactly I forgot that I drank my last beer yesterday
I thought I still had one
 
@Gizmo kill -9
(j/k)
 
9:26 PM
@milleniumbug I know what that does XD
 
@Gizmo OS probably
it's the OS that manages processes
 
:(
 
I have no idea what you mean by "start/stop buttons" though
 
hm how should I word it. some remote management software to manage running processes
 
SSH :P
 
9:27 PM
@Gizmo Most of them probably use PHP, and lots of "exec"s.
 
yeah I kinda don't know how to keep my process running when exiting, and when I get it working
I don't know how to get it back so I can input console commands
 
If I was designing such software, I would probably have one long running Go process, and have RPC over MsgPack to the go process to manage the server.
 
I'm now in the 22 - "No drinks in the past month" category
hurray to me
 
9:29 PM
@Jefffrey I am not in any category shown in this graph :-°
 
i'm a category of my own
@Nican ah so indeed it will resolve to writing my own software.. again sigh
 
@Rerito The plot is confusing. I feel like it should be a stacked bar graph.
 
I'm in the I fucking want a beer right now and it's almost midnight category
 
@AlexM. go to the nightly store
 
that's 30 mins away from here
well not really
 
9:31 PM
@AlexM. Go for a Faro
 
@AlexM. for a bear you do anything!
I mean. beer.
but I would like to have a bear too
would be cool.
 
but I'd rather not go near the railway station at this hour
it's...
 
can I have your PC if something happens?
 
in that part of the neighborhood
 
you know people have a solution for fear
it's called shotgun
 
9:33 PM
@Rerito for a what
 
Faro
 
@Gizmo What kind of games is it? I only ever hosted source games.
 
This
 
go for a guinness
 
@Nican not always games, much more a console application that I run with wine myapp.exe
 
9:34 PM
@Rerito I'm not into lambics, sorry
 
stout beer, best beer
 
they're too horribly sweet and acidic at the same time
Guinness is great
so is Murphy's
 
Acidic yes it's right
 
Lambics are still better than... gasp
the most horrific beers I've ever had
I have no idea how a sane person could drink them
they're called flemish ales
and fuck me it's like drinking acid
after every gulp, I felt like not being able to BREATHE
the first feeling you'll get is okay but seconds after hell ensues
it burns, stops you from breathing, makes you feel like spitting it out
 
@Nican Meh, having RPC to just start/stop shit is unnecessary work
 
9:37 PM
horrible, horrible things
I usually visit Auchan to try out imported beers that I know nothing about
 
Use runit/systemd/upstart/whatever
 
flemish ales made me make sure that it doesn't say "flemish ale" on any beer I buy now
 
Never tried any of those
 
and I'm pretty much open with any other kinds of beers, so I don't check for anything else
 
@CatPlusPlus I would still need access to stdio, for executing console commands.
 
9:39 PM
> Flanders red ale, Flemish red or Belgian red ale is a style of sour ale usually brewed in West Flanders, Belgium.
sour is an understatement
 
how do you pronounce stdio?
 
@Jefffrey standard io
 
"whurgburljkrg"
 
I pronounce it as "std-ee-o"
 
Acid taste usually does'nt bother me so actually I may like it
 
9:40 PM
I use full names for everything IRL because I talk quickly :\
 
I should try ^^
 
"don't forget to include standard io"
that's what I'd say
 
@AlexM. so you use "standard input/output"?
 
@Jefffrey S tay day ee oh
French style !
 
@Jefffrey if grouped together standard ay-oh
otherwise, standard in and standard out respectively
 
9:42 PM
@Jefffrey Neanderthal oral myth.
 
> Any chance you could remove the bits that keep the cursor locked within the game's window in windowed mode? :) I'd love to play this in windowed while browsing the web, but unfortunately I can't :(
> Thanks for the suggestion, we'll add a toggle for the cursor lock in the next patch.
> Tomorrow we'll issue a patch to add the cursor lock switch. It was going to be today, but we broke something unintentionally and our build machine is locked inside an office on the other end of a town so we can't patch the patch right now :P
small indie devs are so nice <3
 
@Jefffrey s-t-d-i-o
 
they even replied to my suggestion just to announce the patch lol
it was necessary for me to play it anyway
it's a small puzzle game like Cut the Rope and stuff, ported from mobiles
 
Xeo
 
inb4 "I know we had to push that patch 3 years ago, but I really don't have time right now, maybe tomorrow"
 
Xeo
9:44 PM
hahaha, dat list at the end
 
playing one level at a time while browsing the web is nice
but no way I'm gonna fullscreen that bitch and play it exclusively
 
Yay cut the rope !
 
here's the game in case anyone's interested store.steampowered.com/app/337420
it's nice and cheap
and has cool anime art
it's about my family vampires
 
And a sexy male orc in a pink dress
Couldnt miss it
 
how can you tell he's male?
 
9:46 PM
The teeth
 
maybe for this specific orc species the females have big teeth
 
And shoulders
Got myself a NVIDIA Shield tablet
 
Windows Git is a crappy port: episode 11: github.com/blog/…
 
@CatPlusPlus s/Git is a crappy port/is crappy/
 
lol I got happy when I saw allrecipes.com lets you specify the # of servings and autoadjusts ingredients based on that but then
> 3/8 lime, juiced
what the fuck is next
avogadro's number ml oil
 
9:54 PM
Make more servings then
 
the original recipe is for 6 servings but I'd rather not buy that much chicken, it's just for a single meal and we're 4 people at the table :\
anyway this is just for the marinade, I guess putting less chicken in the same amount of marinade is ok
 
Eat more
Get fat
Be alive
 
Get diabetes
 
@Xeo ?
 
whoa, the collector's edition of hotline miami 2 comes with 3 vinyls w/ the soundtrack
I want that
 
Xeo
9:57 PM
@Jefffrey The video just above.
 
@Xeo Yeah, I watched it
 
Xeo
There's a list at the end with who receives the most radiation
 
I don't see where the funny list is
 
Xeo
I'm laughing because smokers get the highest dose vOv
 
their lungs do
 
9:59 PM
Isnt there polonium in the ciggie smoke ?
 
Jefffrey isn't laughing because he's a smoker and realized he's at Chernobyl levels already
 
@AlexM. I quit smoking ~6 months ago
 

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