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12:00 AM
bought this thing might as well use it anyway
I hope I have everything I need accessible
I always get nervous when visiting my parents for a long time
what if I forgot something here and I won't be able to do stuff there
 
user1646075
wat?
 
who's ligthne
 
user1646075
just switched on, and before the refresh i saw "put down the potato gun chris" from lrio - so i tried to search and it went in the wrong field 'cos refresh
 
that's the SSD the OS runs on
 
user1646075
he was probably trippin i guess
 
12:12 AM
can I eject it?
I'm too afraid to try
 
do it
 
Ell
It wont let you
How do I choose wine?
 
user1646075
oh yeah that's annoying showing up there. WHO thinks things like that are a good idea?
 
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@Ell is it in a bottle? buy it!
 
First you look what wine is available
 
12:13 AM
@Ell ask Jerry
 
@Ell The latest version
:P
 
Then you pick whiskey instead
 
he seems to be the connoisseur here
 
Ell
I like it dry but that's all I know
 
@AlexM. Please do. :D
 
12:14 AM
hell naw
what if it gets like
really ejected
thrown out of my case
 
@AlexM. Call Ghost Busters.
 
meh gotta go to sleep
still wish I had a beer
on the bright side, tomorrow evening = first evening of the holiday
 
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@Ell intention is always warmly received in a gift. Pick your budget, try to recall a few things the recipient might have said/drunk, maybe contact someone who knows them, and then find a friendly shop-keep for a recommendation. can't go wrong.
 
Ell
@GuruAdrian this ones for me :) all I know is that I want a dry white. But there are so many different types, and I don't know what the difference between them is
 
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ahhhh
 
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12:20 AM
this is where the fun comes in! start with anything and away you go
 
@Ell Would you prefer something creamy, or something more fruity?
 
Ell
I'd say creamy I think
I didn't know you could describe wines as creamy though
 
@Ell In that case, you might consider a Chardonnay.
 
Ell
I guess I should go wine tasting or something sometime.
 
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20 seconds in the googles should give you overviews of dryness/characteristics of white. I don't do whites so I can't say. Liking dry is a good sign. beginners go for sweet 'cos it masks the things that are a bit difficult to 'get'. Once you like dry, going back to sweet is a bit icky and dull
 
12:21 AM
@Ell Probably--they can be a lot of fun.
 
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@Ell yeah, that's good fun. pro tip: you really should follow the recommendation and spit out
 
Ell
@GuruAdrian I've heard you can get quite intoxicated by the end
 
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@Ell i've done a few wine tasting tours, principally casually, and there's always one guy who's swallowing the samples. They do indeed get rekt, around about the 1/2 way mark
 
Ell
I'm going to a party tomorrow and need something to drink
 
@Ell For most Chardonnay's, at least some of the wine they do a secondary fermentation called malolactic fermentation. This converts some of the mallic acid (gives kind of a green apple taste) to lactic acid (named for the fact that it's found in cream and milk). That gives the taste a bit of cream/milk overtone.
 
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12:24 AM
@Ell hard spirits. leaves room for kebabs
 
Ell
@jerrycoffin oh that's interesting. I'd never have guessed there was lactic acid in any kind of wine
@guru I usually drink cider and then move onto spirits
But cider is too sweet to drink lots of
I'd rather drink less and something less sweet
And I find myself really enjoying wine when I go out for a meal
 
@Ell A lot depends on what meal you're having with the wine though. A mild white can be drowned out pretty badly if you're having (for example) a steak with a thick sauce.
 
Ell
Does price reflect quality of wine?
 
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@JerryCoffin ahh, i would have blamed the body more on unfermentable sugars. Beers are supposed to get their body from that
 
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@Ell yes and no, it's very subtle. cost mostly goes to production sizes and efforts to brew and blend with more care.
 
12:35 AM
@Ell not when you're drunk
 
Ell
@MarcoA. Very true :P
Unless youre a "careless spending" drunk
 
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there's such a high production now, it's kinda hard to get an obviously shitty wine. For reds, aimed at being layed down for a few years, care in production counts a lot. A well aged red that deserves the time, is a treat. I don't know much more beyond "ooo yummy" though
 
@StackedCrooked Also looks like an alien.
Good morning.
 
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12:38 AM
wine over cider/beer will require a bit under 1/2 the volume for the same buzz and happies, so you'll feel less bloated. white is a good step
 
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of course, I speak as a casual drinker who's mostly clueless to the nuances of wine. I prefer a straight shiraz. the end
 
Ell
Shiraz?
 
@Ell Sort of, but a lot of more expensive wines (especially expensive reds) are wines that are really intended to be aged for a few years before drinking. If you drink them right after buying, they'll still tend to taste pretty harsh. Even when they're aged, it takes some practice/knowledge before most people really appreciate what's there.
@Ell aka Syrah (same grape).
 
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i read recently that it's not common in the rest of the world to label trhat way, but the direct equivalent does exist. Shiraz is one variety. it's a common labellign here.
 
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often used as a note variety in big reds.
 
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12:42 AM
aus has many direct labellings of shiraz. It's a bit simpler than a big cab-sav, slightly more casual.
 
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anyway, that's reds. step 2 if you're dabbling with whites
 
@GuruAdrian Nonetheless, a good Syrah/Shiraz can still have quite a bit of depth.
 
@Mysticial rofl
 
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@JerryCoffin yup - depth that feels about right for friday night dinner or bbq. I grab randomly around a price-range inc. cab-sav and go from there.
 
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Merlot is getting some traction here but I find it a tad dull. I thought that was more a blender variety than a main course ?
 
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12:49 AM
i think it's more 'oh let's put that in bottles, the plebs wouldn't know any better'
 
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i know i don't...
 
@GuruAdrian At least IME, it depends. The problem isn't really with the Merlot grape, but where it's typically grown. Problem is that it mostly grows in the same climate/terrain as Cabernet, and Cabernet tends to sell at higher prices, so Merlot is mostly grown in areas that aren't as suitable. I have had some Merlot grown in really prime territory, and it can be excellent.
 
user1646075
interesting. might be worth a bit more of a spend, to maybe get that better stuff and see how it goes
 
@GuruAdrian The problem is that "better stuff" is really hard to find. What I had was as a member of a vineyard's wine club. They had a few Merlot vines for blending in the same area as they grew their Cabernet. About one year out of three or four, they'd have a little left over after blending, and let wine club members get it. It was really good, but unless you were a member of their wine club, there was no way to get it. I can hardly recall getting a Merlot from a store that was nearly as good.
 
user1646075
fair 'nuff. I might get lucky here because there has been a growing glut. The prices especially 2-3 years ago got ridiculously low. silly growers. prices have bounced back a bit recently - bummer.
 
12:59 AM
@GuruAdrian You might, but I wouldn't bet a lot on it. I haven't kept track of Australian production recently, so high production could just be from too much land planted. Producing more from the same land area usually leads to wine that tastes relatively weak though.
 
Interesting, I found a tablet that runs full Windows 8.1, and it costs $100.
 
My Nexus 7 runs like shit ever since I upgraded to Android 5.0. So much for "increased performance"
 
@Nooble ...and the matching keyboard/case costs almost much ($79.99) as the tablet itself.
 
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@JerryCoffin that's exactly it. a lot of big commercial buy-out of land, more centralised production, planting, planting, planting, ... oh shit, too much grape!
 
@JerryCoffin I'm sure everyone here has an external keyboard, but nonetheless a good point. But it's meant to be a tablet.
 
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1:03 AM
slash and burn, and reclamation of other farmland that fell away
 
Looks like a cheaper Surface Pro.
 
@Nooble Wait for the next round of 2-in-1s/convertibles.
 
@Nooble The battery probably only lasts for about 5 minutes unless you get one of those power packs for about $100.
 
user1646075
does it have a good touch screen or that crappy capacitive feel that really cheap tablets have?
 
@GuruAdrian Reviewer says it's good, but complains about the 1GB of RAM.
 
1:07 AM
@Nooble That's the biggest why you should wait.
 
It doesn't sound sufficient, especially for Windows.
 
@Nooble It is. For Windows.
only
 
@MarkGarcia Me? I'm not going to buy it, I have my laptop. Just thought it was interesting.
 
@GuruAdrian It's a tough job--it's usually at least 5 years from planting to getting a real crop of grapes (and can easily be 10 years before you're really at full production). So when you plant, you're guessing on what people will want at least 5 years from now, and really more like 10-20 years out for your peak production.
 
user1646075
hah - that page is showing very badly for me. Of note is the complete lack of $ i wonder if it's having a fit because I don't match a region that it can calculate prices for.
 
1:08 AM
@Nooble It won't run Visual Studio then
 
I ran Windows Server with 512MB RAM
1GB is plenty
 
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@JerryCoffin since it's big conglomerates, I don't sympathise ;-) the smaller vineyards kept it real, man...
 
@Nooble Wait for an upgrade to Asus T100 with 4GB RAM and possibly a more sleekish design.
 
Well, not 'plenty', even 16 is not plenty
 
@GuruAdrian This is less about sympathy than just understanding their situation.
 
1:10 AM
I should check if my mobo supports 32
 
@CatPlusPlus Let me be the first (and last?) to say: "640 terabytes of RAM should be enough for anybody."
 
Wouldn't be enough for me
 
user1646075
your point maybe suggests they were aiming for 'good' production. There was quite a buzz about increasing exports, and maybe it never materialised. /shrug. All I know is that until the last year or so, wine has been deuced affordable, and prices are still good.
 
I'd just run more VMs
All VMs
All the time
 
@CatPlusPlus So have I. I was running a Windows Server 2012 instance back when I was running a free-tier Amazon AWS server.
It can run windows. But it will absolutely refuse to do anything else.
 
1:11 AM
Windows itself needs like 300-400 these days
 
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@JerryCoffin "The i15 128 core is brain-damaged"
 
gcc 4.9.2 still doesn't have std::is_trivially_copyable D:<
 
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wait for gcc 9.3 - since we're far-sighting at the moment
 
I tried running a Minecraft server on that instance I believe, and it was just dropping too many connections.
 
@CatPlusPlus Does it get boring when I point out that I ran Windows Advanced Server in 32 (16?) megabytes of RAM?
 
1:13 AM
Fuck it. I'm gonna copy the objects, trivial or not.
 
but performance
 
@CatPlusPlus In my experience, client windows does 500. So what you say would do for something like win server.
 
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@JerryCoffin I added code to a UNIX accounts system with 20 users that ran on 8Mb 386...
 
Not much difference between non-Core WS2012 and client build
 
@GuruAdrian GCC 9.3 by Download.com
 
1:15 AM
Now that I think about it, I can just download more RAM on that tablet.
 
user1646075
haha! download.com cannot detect my O/S. Apparently Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android are the only O/S
 
Why would a shitty software portal ever detect Linux, no Linux user will ever visit those
 
user1646075
all software from there tricks you into installing Norton, a registry cleaner and enhanced search engines for your browser, right?
 
@GuruAdrian Don't forget Bing!
 
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i try to.
 
user1646075
1:18 AM
on principle. What a stupid name.
 
And it's stylized like that. Bing!
 
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and ™
 
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no! ® !
 
@GuruAdrian If we go pre-Windows, how about a mainframe supporting 300+ concurrent users with 256 Kilowords of RAM? (60-bit words, so roughly 1 megabyte). :-) Thank god I don't have to deal with that kind of mess any more.
 
Hold on I'm googling how to type out the (TM). I forgot the numbers.
 
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1:19 AM
@JerryCoffin ooooooooo - now that's computing for the masses!
 
Bing™!
 
Computing for the messes
 
Perfect.
 
user1646075
it positively scares me to see that a stupid game like angry birds is a 60Mb download. W.T.F.
 
not 60mb
noo
 
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1:20 AM
I blame templates. or embedded java runtimes because, fuck, we can't rely on ANY other version of JVM to support our game.
 
user1646075
what's it grown to now?
 
user1646075
what's in the game to merit that much code?
 
@GuruAdrian That's just the downloader.
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia heh true
 
It's not code size, it's asset size
Code size is negligible
 
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1:21 AM
simple 2d drawings of birds.
 
user1646075
can't wait for quantum computing. Then we'll be blasé about 100's of peta-qbits of working memory
 
user1646075
/me struggling to out-cynical cat.
 
> To take a really simple example, when I started, I remember being confused by the way that hash keys were used as parameters in method calls. I knew what the parameters meant, and what they were doing, and I knew they were being passed to the method, but I didn't understand the details.
 
@GuruAdrian Two ways of looking at it: 1) a Hello World program is now larger than lots of real code I wrote for MS-DOS. 2) the storage for a ridiculously huge program now is still cheaper than it was for than tiny bit of hand-crafted code back then (and load time is shorter too).
 
1:24 AM
rubby
 
I still don't understand.
 
Fuck rubby forever
 
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@JerryCoffin once windows has finally booted... but so true
 
Uh what's confusing about hashes?
Other than rubby's retarded syntax shortcuts everywhere
 
@CatPlusPlus you are too monotonous
 
1:26 AM
I thought about collecting all the bad things about rubby into one document, but then I'd be putting effort into rubby related things
 
@GuruAdrian I'm quite certain CP/M took longer to boot than Windows does.
 
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@CatPlusPlus he's probably complaining about the 'missing' params in the function header. No clear names to hook the brain onto.
 
I was gonna collect all bad things about Forth in a document, but then I got confused.
 
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@JerryCoffin hmmmmmmmm - not sure....... ok, off floppies. But with all the grunt now, I'm sure an old W95 on an old box would still boot quicker.
 
@GuruAdrian While working with rubby, you need to hook things into your brain
Namely drugs
 
1:28 AM
Like antibiotics?
 
@GuruAdrian Quicker than what? Win7 booting off an SSD is pretty darned fast...
 
My stomach hates me today
Hahahah Win9x booting fast
 
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@CatPlusPlus yeah - I've worn a path to the office coffee machine ;-/ I'm seriously thinking of finding a new niche. Next years project is to migrate from horribly stalled Rails 2.3.5 to 4+ and i know it's going to be the worst fapgrade I've ever had the misfortune to partcipate in.
 
Good joke
@GuruAdrian ahahahahahahahaha
 
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@JerryCoffin oh SDD, yes, that's nice. Don't have one persnoally.
 
1:29 AM
That is
literally
impossible
 
user1646075
the saddest thing you've ever heard?
 
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@CatPlusPlus I think so!
 
user1646075
it's going to end in tears, for sure.
 
@GuruAdrian No reason to do excessive compression when memory is so cheap.
 
I can't upgrade a dependency from x.y.z to x.y + 1.z without shit breaking horribly
I'm not even touching bugfix versions
If it worked, it stays frozen forever
 
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1:31 AM
@Rapptz i don't recall ever compressing, but yeah, I'm not complaining. I liek big horsepower in the machines now. Count your blessings!
 
There was actually a library that broke between x.y.12 and x.y.19 or something like that
 
A lot of games back then compressed their art assets.
 
And developer's response was "oh cool, it worked then? Use that version!"
 
Like NES, SNES, etc games anyway.
 
Fuuuuck rubby and its entire community
 
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1:32 AM
luckily we have a seriously persistent code-labourer on the team, who also happens to possess a sharp brain, so that in itself is probably the only hope I see
 
Do you want them to kill themselves
Because that's how you get people to kill themselves
 
@Rapptz RLE!
 
Yeah that was one way of doing it.
 
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heheh - ill be the first trying to pick the lock on the roof door most likely.
 
@GuruAdrian I don't at home, but do at work. Even off a (fairly slow) hard drive, I'm sure I spend a lot less time booting now than I did then though--not sure if booting itself is a lot faster, but I certainly do it a lot less often. I probably average one boot every month or two (not sure exactly, but rarely enough that even if it took 10 minutes, it'd hardly matter).
 
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1:33 AM
@Rapptz ok, games... very true. I rarely think in terms of games, even though I did pick on the poor angry birds
 
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@JerryCoffin i've seen the demo's, and those instant-on lappies all seem to have an SSD snuggled away.
 
I mostly hibernate
 
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@CatPlusPlus so does sehe
 
Fresh boot is slow mostly because you need to start all the crap
 
@GuruAdrian Yup--it definitely is a lot faster. Point is that it just doesn't matter all that much though (at least to me).
 
1:35 AM
Boot itself is fairly negligible
 
I hibernate too.
 
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mehhh, just mouthing off about waste. waste! we didn't waste memory in the War! harrumph!
 
@GuruAdrian Supposedly, Windows 10 will boot faster than Windows 8 by a non-negligeable margin. (According to some tests done by MaximumPC)
 
Oh that reminds me.
 
Win8+ boot faster because they hibernate the kernel by default
 
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1:36 AM
the new-fangled replacement for init in linux is doing a good job too.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hybrid boot something.
 
@Borgleader ...and we all know that Windows 8 booted faster than 7. Getting rid of the Start button saved 12 milliseconds!
 
@JerryCoffin Which seems odd that Windows 10 would be faster than 8 since they brought the start menu back :P
 
They hibernate Start button too
Who needs Start anyway, FindAndRunRobot is much better launcher
 
@Borgleader But did they get rid of those fugly tile thingies? Losing the Start button was stupid, but bearable. Tiles were (IMO) dramatically worse.
 
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1:39 AM
@Borgleader optimised for performance - the button icon is no longer compressed
 
Actually the original Windows 8 did only improve boot times by meticulously hiding the power commands from the user, which then gets the user into Jerry's less boots experience.
 
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@JerryCoffin tiles are an obscenity on a mouse/touchpad+keyboard machine
 
@GuruAdrian IMO, they're an obscenity, full-stop. I tried 8.x on a tablet, laptop and desktop. They were horrendously awful on every one of them.
 
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my experience with win8 has left me so gunshy about the whole thing, that I am not considering a win-phone, even though a good-friend-good-techie calls it a smart choice "since he's not interested in all the retarded apps that most people seem to waste time on".
 
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@JerryCoffin emmm. not had the pleasure to use a true win-tablet. not intending to remedy that any time soon
 
1:42 AM
@GuruAdrian Good call.
 
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distressingly, it looks like Mr. 10 has to get an ipad air wifi-only. There's no obviousy clear android competitor, just a few 'nearly' machines. Certainly no real competitive edge in the pricing, damn you apple for being competitively priced for a change! Given that, the lack of SD and USB is an abomination that I wouldn't personally suffer.
 
@GuruAdrian Win Phone is a joke.
 
@JerryCoffin Not quite:
 
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@Nooble I would have thought so, but I've never heard this chap utter other stupid ideas. Mongo can only ponder.
 
@GuruAdrian Don't give up! How much is an iPad Air?
 
1:46 AM
@CatPlusPlus Wow, don't give me ideas.
 
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@Nooble AU$500 for 16mb or $560 for 32mb
 
@Borgleader That's one fancy Windows Explorer folder.
 
user1646075
samsung stuff is around the same price, but appear to be slightly down on processor grunt. The apple range is clear, at least, once you look into it closely. Also, y'know, school cool. For that, only a 128gb air 2 would be worthy, but can't afford that luxury
 
@GuruAdrian School cool is the best kind of cool.
 
@Borgleader Not getting the Cortana build huh? (but don't, it doesn't update except with an ISO)
 
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1:48 AM
OR a $1000+ samsung would totally win the school cool, but fuck that. He can get a job at mcdonalds
 
@MarkGarcia I got the first build I found. I didn't think Cortana was out yet.
 
@GuruAdrian How about the Note 4?
 
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@Nooble price? stand by...
 
@Borgleader Leaked.
 
@GuruAdrian $599
It has a 5.7 inch Quad HD (2560x1440) display.
 
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1:51 AM
$500 but I didn't see the Note 4 as a direct competitor? are they equiv/better?
 
It's a phablet.
 
user1646075
one down-side to going android is that the school staff seem to be a bit one-pony for support and understanding.
 
user1646075
oh, they're not supposed to have phone capabilities, which i concur
 
@GuruAdrian Well, how can you argue with an 8 core processor.
And it's only an 8 core outside of US.
3GB of RAM.
16 megapixel camera.
And it has that fast-charging technology.
 
user1646075
the tab pro 10.1 is $600 but it's only got 16gb.
 
1:54 AM
You can expand it though, right?
Most android devices have MicroSD slots.
You can expand up to... 128GB I believe.
 
user1646075
maybe. they have a shopping list of apps they need installing for school. Definitely an SD which is a real plus for me.
 
user1646075
hmmmmmmm. that's true. although the chips cost the same as the difference in up-front cost. and he's not getting my little 16gb micro-sd
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Knew you'd like it :v
 
user1646075
i haven't considered necessary accessories yet, first and foremost a robust shell to try to avoid the inevitable destruction
 
Although, I was more looking towards the Note 4. It's not a tablet or a phone; somewhere in between. It has expandable storage, an octa-core processor, and a multitude of sensors.
> Gesture, Accelerometer, Geo-magnetic, Gyroscope,
RGB ambient light, Proximity, Barometer, Hall Sensor,
Finger Scanner, UV, HRM
 
1:56 AM
btw KSP has a package manager now
 
I don't have any unused LCDs.
 
It even has an IR transmitter/receiver so that it could act as a remote for a TV.
Great camera too.
 
user1646075
I only see note, note pro, tab 4 and tab pro, and a few variants. Is that 'note 4' a new thing?
 
It was released 2 months ago.
 
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ohhhhhhhh
 
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ahhh, that's little. Really aiming for a 10" screen
 
Their selling point is the S-Pen. Basically a fancy stylus. It has a button on the side that allows right-clicking.
 

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