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12:01 PM
oh well. should be better this month and the next and the next then i'll be back to GRADUALLY getting back on track
selling this ring wouldn't hurt
 
I got a raise of 0.04 euros.
 
£7,000, anyone?
@R.MartinhoFernandes haven't had a raise or a bonus in several years now -.-
that certainly threw a spanner into the works
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm winning!
 
I shouldn't have been relying on it but I didn't completely realise how I was
 
Actually, I don't get this.
 
12:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes per hour?
 
It's the second time this year I get a raise for rounding reasons or whatever.
@BartekBanachewicz Yearly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Hmm, I think I get raise by inflation every year.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you will fare better in a leap year probably!
 
12:04 PM
Oh wait, got it.
First was to round yearly salary to end in zeros, and then they decided to round monthly salary to cents. Now yearly salary ends in .04.
 
So they robbed themselves from few cents on each of you because of double rounding.
 
I K R?
 
My initial monthly salary was already rounded to euros.
@VáclavZeman I know, right?
 
12:10 PM
I might have given too much information.
Well, not as much as LRiO.
But yeah, now I'm four cents richer, bitch.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'll buy it for four cents.
 
speaking of too much info, it's the end of that time of the month for me ... started on Sunday - 26 days after the last one
 
@chmod711telkitty That is definitely TMI, at least the one I did not need to know. :)
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit spare?
@chmod711telkitty congratulations?
unless you were trying :L
 
12:13 PM
lol
 
Ell
what is it with erik meijers shirts?
 
he obviously likes colors
 
I wouldn't want to be in one of those facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10152385391332854
click on the thing to play the video
for some reason it doesn't autoplay
 
it seems tup has changed their Tupfile to use Lua.
Strange.
Anyway imma go to bed now.
 
@Rapptz yep
@R.MartinhoFernandes make it rain
<droidboi> > let x = 2
<lambdabot>  not an expression: ‘let x = 2’
<droidboi> > let x = 2 in x
<lambdabot>  2
<droidboi> > let x = x in x
<lambdabot>  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
<indigo945> poor bot :(
lol
> Even better to see legacy things removed. I’d love to see things like C-style casts emit a warning as part of the standard. You’d suppress the warning in old translation units, but at least it’d discourage use in new code and for new programmers.
that's a good idea
in JavaScript , yesterday, by m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum Appeal to Authority is not a fallacy when used properly.
 
12:27 PM
@Ell it doesn't have to be spare as long as you don't mind parting with it
 
@AlexM. lol, I would not want to be in one either. Scary. I hope it is very well attached. :)
 
ebay will only let me list up to £1,500. wtf
what's the point in that
 
lolwut
Do you have any selling history?
 
not really ;)
I'm sure I sold something years ago but the history on the site doesn't go back that far
apparently
 
Ell
is your account linked to your bank?
 
12:36 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sure it's the same account?
selling history on eBay does go back that far
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's kinda sad.
 
it only shows me up to 30 days
but anyway maybe i never sold anything
@BartekBanachewicz you're telling me
 
Ell
I'm p sure I can sell up to 10k
 
Ell
One of my coworkers lost his ring washing dishes :S
 
12:37 PM
@Ell it's telling me I can request higher selling allowances but doesn't seem to "take"
oh now it's gone through. apparently i can only get more allowance if I turn my account into a business account
fuxoff
does that mean the bids can also only go up to £1,500?
it's also not giving me any way to set a reserve
all the help pages are outdated, referring to a GUI that has apparently completely changed in the interim
oh you have to go into "Advanced tool"
£150 FEES TO PUT A £5,500 RESERVE FUCK ME
 
user1804599
Woo six christmas trees in the office.
 
wait what even a £5 reserve means £3.99 fees. this is retarded
pffffft this isn't going to work. so composing all of that was a giant waste of time
suppose I could make the auction start price massive
just for kicks
NOPE CANT DO THAT EITHER
just fuck you, basically
@Ell ouch
 
ebay is useless
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you could try gumtree?
 
12:52 PM
or craigslist
 
gumtree hmm
ok :)
 
Xeo
try a pawnshop?
 
it might come to that
i'd still rather someone nice got it though. not some grubby twat with a transit
it was in london for a while at a workshop but they failed to sell it for me after a few months. keep meaning to try the same up here but that's effort, y'know? and doesn't get enough "publicity"
 
@TonyTheLion ebay is awesome
my #1 source of old games
 
If it's not on GOG then I'm not interested
 
12:57 PM
I don't buy to play them, silly.
I buy old big box versions to stuff on my shelves
I like hoarding gaming related stuff as long as it's an original release (not a budget re-release for example)
 
$31.30
that's actually acceptable
 
Not inline in any case
 
user1804599
Download PDF and evaluate.
 
1:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz not buy
it'll give you ideas above your station.
 
@thecoshman what?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit would that missionary position then?
@BartekBanachewicz you buy that, we have to suffer hearing you talk about it for the next 6 months.
6
 
@BartekBanachewicz there's a free chapter here ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321942043/samplepages/…
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not a big fan of Stepanov.
As a speaker OH GOD IS HE BORING.
And he seems to be a very one-true-way person.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... this is a book
 
1:12 PM
example pages with maths were p cool
 
Now that I mention it, you might like that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes everyone knows it is 'my way or the high way'
 
meh, not buy yet.
 
just download the pdf and after you're done with it think it's worth the money, buy it
I have ~54 books about programming on my HDD through which I go randomly whenever I feel like reading something
if I paid for all I'd be broke
well, not really
but you get the point
 
Ell
1:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah he does seem like that
I remember him saying that herb sutter & scott meyers shouldn't be allowed to speak in conferences or something like that :L
 
anyone who has a problem with scott
has a problem with ME
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, if you had you could ask for a raise (hehe).
 
Herb talks too fast for me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And of course eBay guarantees that.
 
1:18 PM
Alex M. has changed its stance towards Stepanov to "at war".
 
I don't mind Stepanov
 
saying that Scott with his awesome hair shouldn't be in conferences is enough of a casus belli for me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It allows me to pretend it's not the case
Boss just wrote this in Skype
 
@AlexM. Stephanov
 
> root
> wrong window!
so now we know his root password
 
1:20 PM
and you publish it on the web?
gj
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is it "wrong window!"?
 
@TonyTheLion tell him that after the edit timeout expires, silly.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's root??
 
also we have 1 to 2 billion years to get out of Earth
 
plenty of time
but put it in your dairy so you don't forget
 
1:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apparently!
@TonyTheLion derp
 
@TonyTheLion Please, do not keep dairy around for 2 billion years.
 
lol, that spelling mistake
I need to go back to school to learn to spell diary
 
Hi do You know some low level languages, which have syntax like Ruby or Python? I found Ada, do you know some more?
 
FUCK
@VeeeneX COBOL
 
user1804599
1:26 PM
@VeeeneX Ruby and Python.
 
@VeeeneX x86 asm
 
@AlexM. I mean not that low
 
You're out of luck, buddy.
 
@Whatamia: Would you please consider accepting my answer instead? The author of the currently-accepted answer (Lightness Races in Orbit) agreed to that. — striving_coder 18 mins ago
loolwut
 
1:28 PM
morning
 
this guy is so try-hard
 
@VeeeneX Terra
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
> striving_coder
maybe that's why
 
@TonyTheLion It looks nice, but it's CAPSCASE
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes €113220 the fuck
holy fucking fuck that's a lot of money
 
@BartekBanachewicz Interesting
 
Yes, that's much better. — Lightness Races in Orbit Nov 23 at 14:29
 
1:30 PM
@VeeeneX Terra is really cool. If you can accept the experimental state it's in.
 
He seems to have a point.
 
@Jefffrey Yes, "your answer is much better" means "I hereby agree that you should prompt the OP to unaccept my own answer in order to now accept yours".
 
@VeeeneX Why do you care about syntax?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, yes?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thank you, it helped me a lot,
@Jefffrey I just need "easy", language for something like self-generated code
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, they have a good track record.
 
1:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes still
 
@VeeeneX ruby/python syntax doesn't mean a language is easy
 
@Xeo eh animated chinese movies
 
Also, since desktop foobar is free, I can see some people backing as a sort of donation.
 
Xeo
err
it's a game
 
1:33 PM
especially considering that Ada is purposely hard to write
 
@Xeo chinese games :P
 
Xeo
also, japanese
 
@Xeo I knew you'll fall for that.
 
ebay fails to send account verification code to email. ffs.
 
Yah, that's true
 
1:33 PM
i can't even get to my draft posting now
 
@Jefffrey I wonder if Haskell is purposely hard to write
 
They have a stretch goal that was accomplished before they thought it up.
 
> loud Imperium Games will build their own mocap studio to improve the quality of Star Citizen and Squadron 42’s cutscenes.
holy fucking shit
 
1:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Haskell is not supposed to be used when human lives are at stake. So I doubt that.
 
$20,000,000. and more
@Jefffrey no? why?
I am afraid to scroll
> acial Capture System. We’ve researched a technology that uses a series of cameras to capture real heads and import them into the game. This will let the team more easily create a variety of realistic characters. In addition, the technology is mobile enough to allow us to take it on the road and capture select fans during special events!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some of those stretch goals are crazy like that, but some others are bullshit like "new ship".
 
@BartekBanachewicz The heck do I know. Ask the committee.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes holy hell
@Jefffrey and where did they say that? o.O
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's at 63M.
The 62M stretch goal was a ship.
 
1:39 PM
Where did they say not to use PHP for nuclear stations?
 
@Jefffrey it was java. in the license.
 
The 63M goal was accomplished, but they haven't decided it yet.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this is fucking uh oh i don't
 
I know that Java has a specific clause in the license for that.
 
so where's that for haskell again
 
1:39 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I know.
 
Ell
It'll be somewhere
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where's that for PHP again?
 
Ell
US says you can't use dynamic languages
 
@Jefffrey no idea
 
no idea either
 
1:40 PM
> “Discourse: It’s better than some random TDWTF-front-page forum code”
 
people mention Haskell shouldn't be used because of the GC
 
All I know is that ada was designed to be super safe or something and haskell wasn't.
 
and hard realtime limits
@Jefffrey I really think it's about evaluation rather than correctness
 
user1804599
Haskell isn't used for that because the people who are actually knowledgeable in that area (not you) decided to use something else.
 
@rightføld plonk
 
1:41 PM
lol
 
(I'm kidding FTR)
that being said, Haskell is pretty amenable to full proofs
 
@BartekBanachewicz Evaluation?
 
user1804599
Speaking of Ada.
 
user1804599
I should learn Ada.
 
@Jefffrey lazy evaluation makes it harder to analyze runtime performance
 
1:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you're doing great at that
@BartekBanachewicz weasel word detected
 
> Remember that in mission critical situations it is not only your code that is under scrutiny, but all other components too. That includes compiler (Haskell compiler is not among the easiest ones to code review), appropriate certified hardware that runs the software, appropriate hardware that compiles your code, hardware that bootstraps the compilation of the compiler...
 
I doubt people dealing with nuclear stuff prioritize runtime performance over correctness.
 
@sehe refer to the last post of Bartosz Milewski. Purely functional languages make e.g. expressing them in denotational semantics easier, and thus, full proofs of correctness.
@Jefffrey hard-realtime constraints still apply though
 
@BartekBanachewicz No.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Instead they deem a slow program incorrect as it doesn't satisfy the performance requirement!
 
1:44 PM
I can say weasel word when I see one
 
@sehe I don't get what you're on about
 
Bratek is not always completely amenable to arguments pretty
 
user1804599
That's SNAFU; .
 
user1804599
$7k lol
 
1:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit awww
YES
 
user1804599
Seven kilodollars.
 
@sehe is that just because I said "amenable"
 
I say YES
 
@rightføld also, .7 kilograms
 
@rightføld No, $11,023.36
I don't expect to actually get what I paid for it, but start high eh
 
user1804599
1:46 PM
oh pounds
 
@BartekBanachewicz No. It's because you said pretty amenable. Duh
 
user1804599
Well I guess you can indeed pound her after giving her the ring.
 
Noun: weasel word (plural weasel words)
  1. (pejorative) A word used to qualify a statement so as to make it potentially misleading.
  2. 1916, Woodrow Wilson„You can have universal training or you can have voluntary training, but when you use the word „voluntary“ to qualify the word „universal“, you are using a weasel word; it has sucked all the meaning out of „universal“. The two words flatly contradict each other.“
Verb: weasel-word (third-person singular simple present weasel words, present participle weasel wording, simple past and past participle weasel worded)
  1. To use weasel words.
 
why pay so much for a ring
 
it's a huge stone
@AlexM. I KNOW
 
1:47 PM
you can feed your family for a long time with that money
 
because sex
 
i was bullied into it all because of this:
 
@AlexM. insecurity
 
user1804599
@sehe nice timing
 
1:47 PM
with that ring you can buy sex for a lifetime
 
the great bloody gatsby
apparently i lost the ability to say "no" for a few months there
 
@Jefffrey except you don't
 
@sehe amenable - (of a thing) capable of being acted upon in a particular way; susceptible to.
 
@Jefffrey a few months
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit shhh
don't ruin the dream
 
@BartekBanachewicz So if you're amenable to something then you're susceptible to to it. Nice.
 
user1804599
My favourite ring is (ℤ, +, ×).
 
@Jefffrey were you trying to deceive me?
to make me think sex is something real?
 
who downvoted my fucking answer
 
1:48 PM
hahaha
 
lol
maybe
 
Updated MediaWiki to newest version, active users list still doesn't work
 
lol Jefffrey dat edit
 
@Jefffrey He tried. Didn't work.
 
to be fair it sort of did
in that I "bought" sex with other people for a lifetime, ultimately
 
1:50 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Dude. Did you just throw any care for your personal details out the window?
First your income, now this?
 
Not sure how income is a secret detail
 
> personal details
who cares
 
Qt Creator is really good at blocking its GUI.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well this is a public thing no
 
@AlexM. Lots of people. I don't know what answer you were expecting.
 
user1804599
1:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus click map
 
Besides he's giving his address to random people on internet to sell a thing, I don't think we knowing it makes much of a difference here :v
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit inb4 revenge downvote
 
ERROR: column "mwuser.user_name" must appear in the GROUP BY clause or be used in an aggregate function
Good job mediawiki
 
@Jefffrey it's quite possible :(
yay lunch. this is exciting
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I mean you against me.
 
1:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you mean? It's an advertisement for a product. It's on the web, by design.
@CatPlusPlus Where is my address?
 
On the map
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dunno, I just think striving-coder's answer is better. — Jefffrey 3 mins ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Click map
 
uh so cold here
 
@TonyTheLion That's not my address
 
user1804599
1:53 PM
:(
 
wait
yes it is. fuck you gumtree i did not agree to this
 
user1804599
:)
 
lol
 
1:54 PM
haha
 
ScottW once posted his address here too. That was a week before he moved out or something.
 
@Jeffrey: That's not what downvotes are for!! — Lightness Races in Orbit 9 secs ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes Causal relationship?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bartek did too
 
And Bartek posted a picture of a package he received with the address in it.
 
user1804599
1:55 PM
I saved the address just in case.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehe
 
You're all just bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes To be fair, you cannot extrapolate my income just from two months' overall balance in a single account
 
Google Groups once used my name in 'From' header in a list message
 
1:56 PM
Because obviously that's my settings
(not)
 
@CatPlusPlus So what you expected to post to a list... anonymously?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Haha you whiner. He reverted his downvote :-p
 
It wasn't a post even, it was an invite
 
I always thought he was more of a beerer.
 
Also yes I expect to post with the name I have set
 
1:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes touché
 
wat map were you guys talking about?
 
@rubenvb loool
and somehow all his upvotes have gone
@Jefffrey no map! there is no map shush
 
@Jefffrey it was the map showing the way to the location of the next unconference
 
"Here's where you can buy the ring and here's where you can steal it"
 
1:58 PM
lol
 
yeah yeah fair point
even though it's not stored here
 
so X didn't mark the spot?
awww
 
@Jefffrey it was a joke
 
Ell
Oh lightness is not so far from me
 
1:59 PM
the map showed LRiO's address
 
@AlexM. unless i was just trolling. i do that sometimes
 

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