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2:00 PM
yes, I got that part
 
and I thought it would be an interesting idea if everyone decided to cram in his house for the unconference, whether he likes it or not
 
Ell
@AlexM. I think you'd get arrested
 
s/arrested/shot/
 
only if you're not stealthy
 
lol
 
2:01 PM
@Jefffrey He's in UK not US
 
Ell
@AlexM. good luck cramming everyone in stealthily
 
@CatPlusPlus I didn't say s/arrested/shot by a policeman/ v0v
 
Because obviously policemen are the only people with guns in US
 
Ell
@Jefffrey yes but lightness isn't a farmer :P
 
user1804599
United King States
 
2:02 PM
Lightness's address is obviously: fifth orbital around Earth, 30,000 miles above Earth
 
user1804599
 
@TonyTheLion second star to the right and straight on till morning
 
user1804599
Amber looks like Д.
 
lol
too much lolling for now
 
user1804599
2:03 PM
lol
 
lol overload
lol();
 
@BartekBanachewicz that was pretty irrelevant
Still an awesome comment
I think you'll find the average number of fingers is less than 10 </pedant> — Rory Alsop May 23 '11 at 16:55
 
> Security reminder: If you have PHP's register_globals option set, you must turn it off. MediaWiki will no longer work with it enabled.
Welcome to 2014
 
@Lightness btw, the recent back and forth about the Interstellar OST reminded me I hadn't ripped the GoT OST yet. I found this pearl: youtube.com/watch?v=0wb2LeYObsU
 
@rightføld you laugh, this actually was a problem for astronauts on the ISS when ordering a pizza
they were trying to send it to someone for a birthday
 
user1804599
2:11 PM
link
 
@CatPlusPlus is that good?
 
It's been removed in 5.4 finally
 
I don't really follow PHP development that closely
for some reason
 
user1804599
Probably because you're not interested in it.
 
lol found my range accumulate
-> decltype(
                std::declval<
                    std::plus<
                        typename std::iterator_traits<decltype(begin(xs))>::value_type
                    >
                >()
                (*std::begin(xs), *std::begin(xs))
            )
gotta love that
 
Xeo
2:17 PM
ew, qualified call to std::begin
 
eh, it was a quirky prototype if anything
 
@BartekBanachewicz Gee fuck, that's horrible.
 
That use of declval is so pointless.
std::plus<>()(...)
 
yeah, I can't C++
 
2:18 PM
Don't use declval for stuff that is default-constructible.
It's a whole bunch of words for naught.
 
consistency arguably :P
 
Ell
it feels like good practise
yeah consistency
but I know nothing
 
also it makes the intent clear.
 
Consistency with what?
 
with stuff that's not default-constructible?
anyway this whole thing should be inferred
 
2:20 PM
It makes nothing clear, because it buries the intent in a bunch of wizzardly hand motions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh sorry, I thought this was murica c++
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which means that sometimes you have no choice but to do that, but by no means means you have to.
I love to use "word word".
 
meaning
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah we noticed :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where did your clarity of intent argument go now?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if I'm specifying it, might as well write it out :P
 
2:22 PM
Though, since you'll likely call it in the body like std::plus<...>(...), decltype(std::plus<...>(...)) will win in both consistency and clarity of intent.
It's like "decltype of that same shit in the body".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes IOW inference :P
it's really "return type of this function is the same as the type of this expression which is the function body"
 
Actually, for consistency, why xs and not std::declval<T>() (or whatever the type of xs was given as)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes caveat emptor. No idea, I was just sketching that
 
@BartekBanachewicz The thing is, if you know how to construct it in the body, you know how to construct it there.
 
Ell
^
 
2:29 PM
declval is most useful for stuff you will get from elsewhere.
 
you're most probably right
and I'm most probably hungry
 
Happy new year :P
 
user1804599
I like how Clojure does fold vs. fold1.
 
Hm.. Seems like no body hasn't started preparing to a new year
 
user1804599
2:35 PM
Arity overloading.
 
user1804599
If you don't provide a starting value it calls the function with no arguments to obtain the starting value.
 
Thats weird
 
user1804599
(+) is 0 so (reduce + xs) works even if xs is empty. :p
 
How does (+) accept an infinite amount of arguments? e.g (+ 1 2 5 6 2 ..)
 
user1804599
2:37 PM
@Jefffrey by being variadic.
 
Would it make sense to have variadic functions in haskell?
Nah
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
Haskell functions are always unary.
 
Some would argue that they could be nullary too.
eg. x :: Int is not a value but a nullary function
 
user1804599
Thunk. :P
 
2:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that consistent wrong note is so annoying
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Can't be wrong! It's performed by the composer himself.
:P
 
@rightføld I guess & for vectors is more or less like (:) for lists?
 
user1804599
No it's like ... in C.
 
user1804599
Except prefix not postfix.
 
2:43 PM
@Jefffrey It doesn't mix well with currying/partial application (like default arguments)
 
user1804599
(:) is called cons.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then why does he fail to go down to the tonic
suppose it could be a problem with the arrangement, with the melody going underneath the harmony and thus being lost for that note
either way the result is that, to me, it sounds like:
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I figured
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't know how to play.
 
user1804599
Jefffrey let's make a videogame.
 
2:56 PM
@rightføld ok
 
inb4 GTA VI
 
Ell
@rightføld what you gon' make?
 
user1804599
A videogame.
 
Ell
what kind?
what grpahics?
 
user1804599
3:05 PM
(conj [] conj [] conj [] conj [] conj) works yay
 
@Ell who said there were graphics
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit video game :P
 
the game will be stored on and played directly from VHS tapes
 
Ell
That sounds graphical to me ;)
 
the reader won't be interpreting the data as graphical
voice only
wow
 
user1804599
3:14 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit source or fake
 
Ell
wow
 
And how to create a pointer to BIGNUM? Replacing BIGNUM e=7; with BIGNUM *e=7; does not really help. Is BIGNUM a class? a function? a primitive..? — Alex 5 mins ago
cringes
 
@Jefffrey betrayer
 
"oh how the tables have turned"
 
@BartekBanachewicz ? :c
 
3:18 PM
@Jefffrey he'll make you write not in Haskell!
 
user1804599
The idea was Clojure.
 
user1804599
With Swing for graphics.
 
use LWJGL
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't get it - did they do it to help the poor people or they just wanted to become famous?
 
user1804599
Why?
 
3:20 PM
because OpenGL is fast and powerful
 
user1804599
Those are not my criteria.
 
user1804599
I need drawImage(image, x, y).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I assume they donated it to institutions that can make the flour into edible portions of food.
 
@rightføld you can build that function from OGL primitives easily.
 
@rightføld We are on the same boat on this.
 
3:26 PM
Use Allegro
 
Ell
@Abyx does it matter? :3
@BartekBanachewicz or you could just not do that
and just use something which has already built them
 
yes like SFML
nevermind.
 
Ell
like allegro or sdl or libgosu or whatnot
 
And clojure has a better ecosystem than haskell wrt p much anything
 
sure
go write in Clojure then
 
3:27 PM
oh come on
don't be angry at me
 
lol I'm not angry
 
Ell
you sound butthurt, bartek
 
nah I mean really whatever.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz or I could use functions that are already implemented. :)
 
yeah you could.
nevermind I didn't say anything
 
3:28 PM
Use Unity
 
@Ell If the point is to show how gamers are good people that do good things, it kinda does.
 
Ell
I thought the point was to feed the homeless
or is that the question? (what is the point)
 
two birds with one shot?
 
shame about the camera positions giving it away
 
@Ell It's why they called the news. Their words.
 
Ell
3:32 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I love these things, so funny
 
user1804599
Or I could make Styx compiler instead of game.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha the way he moves his legs
okay work time now
bye all
 
merry thanksgiving everyone!
 
user1804599
What is thanksgiving?
 
@corvid you murican mate?
 
@Ell like a gazelle
@corvid u fucken wot m8
 
but of course, what did you expect?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
3:40 PM
@corvid well, statistically, a huge majority of the world's population are not American. so we expected a not-American.
 
hmm new J-Custom models look cool
@rightføld that's the spirit!
 
user1804599
@corvid Fijne Sinterklaas alvast.
 
so far you're best in neither writing compilers nor games; you're the best in talking about doing them
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
3:42 PM
I love how people who don't know about it think WTF.
 
@BartekBanachewicz he's an expert an not finishing things, I think he should take a PhD in this subject
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit This is a biased environment, though.
 
I have to decide my food for the xmas party at work
 
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woah
feeds
shit
 
3:46 PM
clean up in isle 10
 
why do we have feeds?
 
good job I re-read rule 312. I was about to say how nearly all the penalties are more than two turns old and thus can have no effect now so no need to show them on the summary. But yeah, it's those old than two turns.
@TonyTheLion because...
 
can I just disable the whole ruddy lot?
 
3:47 PM
some people are crazy about simracing
 
but this sure as hell looks cool
 
I'm completely lost.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how do you do it?
 
@TonyTheLion please so
 
3:48 PM
I thought today was Tuesday or something.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes still have just the one screen...
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, I didn't mean geographically lost. This time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's something for sure.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion plonk
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lost in time.
 
3:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes keep bumping into walls until you find the one that feels like home
 
@rightføld better idea
just plonk feeds
 
@thecoshman most of them have 3
 
wait... if we all plonk feeds... we can then have it post an RSS feed that keeps posting our noob hints!
7
@BartekBanachewicz my point, that guy just has a nice looking chair.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm always waiting for the time when people die because they run in front of that bus
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, since it was Wednesday yesterday, it is theoretically impossible for it to be Tuesday today, unless we suddenly went back in time.
 
3:50 PM
Yesterday... was weird.
Oh yeah. Now I remember it.
 
yesterday I was in the office
not something I forget easily
 
@thecoshman the cockpit dude
 
@thecoshman how do we do that?
I know nothing about RSS feeds
besides that they have some purpose, I suppose, seeing that they exist
 
Make an RRS feed out of it
 
@Feeds HOLY SHIT FUCK YOU VC++ TEAM BLOG
 
3:52 PM
@TonyTheLion fallacy much :)
 
@sehe :)
 
@thecoshman genius
 
@TonyTheLion it's basically just a XML that describes what 'articles' your site has. You should be able to post to a dropbox folder or a githubt gist with an XML file that keeps updating the time stamp for when that article was posted.
 
> XML
I'm done
 
But, feeds only checks every so often.
 
user1804599
3:54 PM
Atom > RSS
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, it gets better!
 
@rightføld lol ATOM
 
@rightføld /care:nobody
 
@sehe oh really?
 
user1804599
3:55 PM
@thecoshman add that feed to the room's feeds lol
 
grr xml
 
Don't shoot me.
 
Every webpage is almost XML oh no
 
@thecoshman paste.ubuntu.com/9270543 embettered
 
3:56 PM
This is a terrible idea.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes poof
 
Xeo
Did you change it to ticker mode?
 
3 hours ago, by thecoshman
@BartekBanachewicz you buy that, we have to suffer hearing you talk about it for the next 6 months.
2 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
@Whatamia: Would you please consider accepting my answer instead? The author of the currently-accepted answer (Lightness Races in Orbit) agreed to that. — striving_coder 18 mins ago
2 hours ago, by rightføld
My favourite ring is (ℤ, +, ×).
2 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
"Here's where you can buy the ring and here's where you can steal it"
6 mins ago, by thecoshman
wait... if we all plonk feeds... we can then have it post an RSS feed that keeps posting our noob hints!
 
Xeo
oh gawd what
 
user1804599
lol
 
3:56 PM
R. Martinho Fernandes has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
@sehe /care:nobody
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOLOLOL. What you did there. FEEDCEPTION
 
@Xeo nooo?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dude, you need to tone down the drinking
 
Starfeed Commander
 
3:58 PM
@Xeo How do you know drinking was involved?
I'm absent-minded in my natural state.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stereotype.
 
Cat is absynth-minded in his natural state
 
You stereotype me as a drunkard?
 
(probably NSFW or just generally a bad idea, but it's not graphic or explicit)
 
3:59 PM
And then you wonder...
Nov 16 at 17:26, by Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes SO I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND?!
 
Xeo
No. I stereotype "I don't remember what happened yesterday" as "drank too much"
Because, y'know, it's a prevelant theme in this room, it seems.
 

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