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10:00 PM
I'd trust a real dictionary instead of Google.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How are those not related?
 
How are they related?
 
@DeadMG Isn't that a textbook case of cognitive dissonance?
 
lol at the record label name: "Ad Noiseam" :) /cc @Morwenn
 
one of them is a search engine, and the other is an actual dictionary
 
10:01 PM
I mean, distrusting a source that contradicts your priorly held beliefs?
 
@Yep, one of this little experimental labels that actually do produce some good stuff.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes, it isn't
 
@DeadMG The search engine draws from a dictionary as well.
 
@sehe There is also Basic Records which has some pretty decent bands.
 
10:02 PM
Both have that as its core.
 
Guise
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's a difference between "I distrust Google" and "I checked on Google and another source indicates that they are, in fact, incorrect."
 
When you have a std::false_type, is there a negation operator I can apply to the class that'll return me a std::true_type?
 
@Morwenn And much more than just a chicken. Just wow. What a find, this music.
 
@DeadMG But why do you trust that other source and not Google?
What made you choose which is "more" right?
 
10:02 PM
@Rapptz Well, ok, then. There some relation. They are still different meanings.
 
Like, !(std::is_int<int, int>()) //as an example? ?
 
@EtiennedeMartel The source is not google.
 
in short, because the other source is actually English and have been dealing with English dictionaries since long before Google existed.
 
@DeadMG And another source indicates that they are, in fact, correct.
What now?
 
@sehe Haha, I will let you discover the rest of Igorrr by yourself if you wish. Otherwise, i'll bore the other guys down there.
 
10:03 PM
The OED does not have a monopoly on the English language.
 
I mean, I think it's well-established that I have a general distrust of American dictionaries
 
@Morwenn i'll see if I can find him on spotify, do something with my money invested there :)
 
@ThePhD boost.mpl has a not template that does exactly that
 
Xeo
@ThePhD no. You can do std::integral_constant<bool, !something::value> though :P
 
Wait, I can just write my own. <3
 
Xeo
10:04 PM
Or Bool<!something::value>
Or, of course - Not<something>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's entirely true. But if you want to create a poll, you'd have to find a whole bunch of dictionaries and check them all.
 
What I'm getting at is you seem to favor sources you already agree with.
 
@DeadMG I am content with finding one that lists that meaning and instances of people using that meaning.
 
in any case, I'm not necessarily saying that Google is wrong, I'm just saying that a very reputable source disagrees with them, gives good evidence for disagreeing with them, and that's a pretty good basis for disagreement. It's not a formal logical proof that Google is wrong.
@R.MartinhoFernandes OED has samples of their usage going back to 1588.
 
10:06 PM
not that I think that words can't change meaning over time; because they can.
 
OED only has samples of the meanings it lists.
 
The English language was quite different back then.
 
I'm merely suggesting that the OED kinda puts a lot of effort into this stuff.
 
That's irrelevant, since the point is about a meaning it does not list.
 
presumably it doesn't list it for a reason
 
10:07 PM
Could pretty well be incompleteness or locality.
 
or actually, I guess that if you wanted to know the exact meaning of cynical according to the OED, you'd need to know more about Cynic philosophers (which I didn't even realize existed), since it doesn't really go into a lot of detail about them
 
Wait. Wait wait wait.
 
@DeadMG No, I know that meaning.
Stop going on about that meaning.
That I knew that meaning was the source of my confusion when Étienne said I was cynical.
 
let me rephrase what I said earlier.
 
Xeo
Psst: ELU.SE
 
10:08 PM
He clearly meant the other one.
 
the OED does not have a monopoly on English, but neither does Dictionary.com.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes (Psst, no accent plz)
@DeadMG Google gets its stuff from Dictionary.com.
Or at least it seems.
Also. What's the difference between this and that?
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel The first needs a login?
 
@Xeo It does? Or is that a German thing?
 
By the way, I knew both of those meanings because they both share the same root definition (being distrustful) which I mentioned earlier
 
10:11 PM
rapptz-so-cultured
 
and to go right back to the root of this, cognitive dissonance would imply that there is no logical basis for believing the other way. Simply checking what one source has stated with another cannot be cognitive dissonance. If it were, the entire of science would be based on cognitive dissonance.
 
And anyway, word meanings are like coding conventions: which you choose is not really important, what matters is that everyone use the same.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No login here.
 
no login here.
 
Xeo
wtf
 
10:12 PM
You're not in Germany.
 
Xeo
It prompts me with a subscriber login :(
Or library card login
 
JavaScript?
 
@DeadMG You're missing the point. Cognitive dissonance is a feeling of discomfort that comes with being presented two conflicting points of view. Humans have a variety of ways to avoid that discomfort.
 
as if anyone would subscribe to a dictionary
 
One of those is to ignore the sources that contradict our beliefs.
 
Xeo
10:14 PM
Well, whatever. I'mma head to sleep, g'night.
 
Or, rather, to place more value on the sources that confirm what we already think.
 
@Xeo That's a good point, btw.
Tomorrow is the last Monday of the week, yay!
Good night peeps.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Awww yeah.
G'night.
 
typically, I have always placed more value on English dictionaries than American ones (even when they disagree with me).
 
lol last Monday of the week
 
10:15 PM
@DeadMG Why is that?
 
because
 
One might argue that the English usually spoken in the US and the one usually spoken in the UK are different languages.
And so it's a matter of which convention you subscribe to.
 
I believe that they made a bunch of completely needless changes to the language that do not need to exist.
 
So, I think this is a good is_not implementation:
template <typename T>
struct is_not;

template <>
struct is_not<std::true_type> : public std::false_type {
	const static bool value = false;
};

template <>
struct is_not<std::false_type> : public std::true_type {
	const static bool value = true;
};
 
if you're gonna fix up English, it's gonna take a lot more than what the Americans did.
 
10:16 PM
A language does not need "fixing".
 
@ThePhD lol, fail. Epic fail.
 
I agree.
and there's also a historical aspect
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes =[
 
namely that, as far as I am aware, most changes in Americanisation occurred because basically one guy objected and re-wrote the dictionaries they shipped in schools.
 
Well, French was somehow "fixed" two decades ago.
 
10:17 PM
@ThePhD Xeo gave you an implementation; why didn't you use it?
 
and inherently I object to changes in essentially a crowdsourced standard being made purely because that one guy was pissed off about some extra "u"s.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. He did?
 
Who can give me uses for bit-wise operations besides the fast "multiply-by-two" trick, hashes and security stuff, and flags?
 
bitfields
 
13 mins ago, by Xeo
@ThePhD no. You can do std::integral_constant<bool, !something::value> though :P
 
10:17 PM
@DeadMG Well, American English words are usually shorter.
They're easier to write.
 
@Rapptz bitfields = flags
 
@Pawnguy7 Low-level libraries that lov to mess with both your head and registers.
 
Not in my book.
 
The language is easier to use.
 
if space is at a premium, there are far more effective schemes than changing to AmE.
 
10:18 PM
:(
 
@Pawnguy7 Is the fast "multiply-by-two" trick actually fast?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hell yeah man.
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol, use UTF-8 or UTF-12.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not especially. I believe it saves a couple cycles.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Arhem.
 
10:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Never used it, that is just what I heard. I have not been in need for speed to try it, I like being able to read code.
 
(By the way, for those who wonder, "Arhem" is my way of saying cough)
 
Tabarnack.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But wait, why doesn't mine work? D:
 
@ThePhD Try it.
 
anyway
 
10:19 PM
(Yeah, did you test it?)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By the way, that one is our strongest swear word.
 
It will fail spectacularly.
 
I require sleep; I will be working more on the Wides tomorrow.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe a little...
 
@ThePhD No, you did not.
I am 100% certain you didn't test a single use that might look like real code.
 
10:19 PM
Awww yeah just reached the Montreal level in DX:HR <3<3<3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's based on tabernacle.
 
I am 100% certain because that implementation fails in 100% of real code usage.
 
Imagine you have a long. How do you split the bits up into chars?
 
.......
 
10:20 PM
With shifts and masks.
 
Ah. Shifts would work. I wasn't certain how you could offset it. Although... that would be a one-time operation, yes? As in, you cannot undo it, though I don't see why I would.
 
Xeo
Btw @R.MartinhoFernandes, I was thinking that std::integral_constant might qualify as a monad-like thing - the context being that it's a type.
 
Are you trying to say anything in particular?
Or are you trying to have conversation with your MPD personalities?
 
@Xeo Erm, really? What's join?
 
@sehe I don't follow
 
10:22 PM
@Xeo You've been on a functional language bender for the longest time now. o.0
Are they really that fun?
 
Xeo
What with the unpacking and repacking after applying ! to the inner value.
@R.MartinhoFernandes -like
 
If there's no join, it's not a monad.
 
Xeo
Maybe just a Functor?
 
Hey, my headache is slowly going away, thanks to the miraculously effective product known as water.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can... no, one can't write one, I guess.
 
10:23 PM
@Pawnguy7 Your speach is utterly incoherent. You appear explain yourself, while countering your own apparent musings on the fly. If you meant to say/ask something, you should perhaps try to prevent the internal dialogue from leaking into your utterances too much
 
@ThePhD Of course they are.
 
So this is the newest fad: reddit.com/r/ameristralia
 
@Xeo Still not sure about it. Try writing fmap's signature.
 
@sehe I think you might be on to something... I never thought of that.
 
lol
 
Xeo
10:24 PM
@ThePhD It all started here:
Apr 16 at 20:41, by Xeo
@LucDanton Hm... how would that look like in do notation in Haskell? do{ i <- maybe_index; return $ list !! i }?
 
Sucks to be British.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Erm, you're Canadian...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Exactly.
 
So, where are your colonies?
 
Canada is a former British colony, remember?
 
10:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
Oh. Québec.
 
Québec accent is so fun :D
 
@LucDanton Needs more infix.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. Well, it seems to be working fine. is_not, that is.
is_not<std::is_void<TResult>::type>() <--- produces desired results
 
That's garbage!
 
10:29 PM
... o.0
 
What did you gain?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm.. fmap :: (bool -> bool) -> TypeBool bool -> TypeBool bool - template<template<class> class Op, class B> using fmap = Bool<Invoke<Op<B>>>;
Hm
 
@ThePhD Instead of !std::is_void<TResult>(), now you can write the "simpler" is_not<std::is_void<TResult>::type>()?
 
Um. Nothing in particular, except the ability to reverse the type?
 
Xeo
Applicative Functor, rather, huh
 
10:30 PM
DISHWASHER
 
Or, better, is_not<typename std::is_void<TResult>::type>().
Don't forget your typenames.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I couldn't do !std::is_void<>(), is what I'm saying
 
@ThePhD Why not?
 
I don't know. It didn't work for me.
Maybe I needed to add some parentheses.
 
Xeo
MSVC?
 
10:31 PM
Yeah, MSVC. o.0
 
In any case, you can do !std::is_void<TResult>::value, which is still shorter than your mess.
 
Xeo
No constexpr
So no constexpr operator bool()
 
And your mess was lacking typename.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes MSVC seems to have forgiven me this one sin this time. <3
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes But doesn't leave you with a type :s
 
10:31 PM
@Xeo He's not using one...
 
I am!
 
Xeo
heh
 
I'm using either std::true_type or std::false_type
 
They're just specializations of std::integral_constant
 
Pro-tip: if you are explicitly using the ::type in std::integral_constant you are problaby doing it wrong.
 
10:32 PM
:|
 
... Ooooh...
 
Oh, and shall add that now your is_not thing does not work with itself.
 
If I remove the ::type it fails horrible because it doesn't specialize on the base class...
q_____________q
What do I do?
 
http://snag.gy/7eMOJ.jpg
I don't know what I just made, either...
 
template <typename Trait>
struct is_not : std::integral_constant<bool, !Trait::value> {};
What Xeo gave you.
 
10:34 PM
> A young boy’s lost bicycle has led to a unique piece of natural roadside art on Washington state’s Vashon Island, over 50 years later post
 
Xeo
// I think...
template<template<bool> class Op, class T>
using Fmap = Bool<Op<B::value>::value>;`
 
@Xeo Wait, that's not generic.
 
Xeo
Yeah, I'd need to flip that shit :/
 
fmap takes a -> b.
Not bool -> bool.
 
Xeo
I knooow
 
10:35 PM
@Xeo So... it's not a functor.
Maybe on a meta-level, but I am still not sure of that.
 
Well, okay.
I did it Xeo's way.
And it works.
Hm.
No base class substuting in template expressions I guess
 
@ThePhD Whenever you are writing a type trait, make sure you derive from integral_constant or from another type trait. Never write ::value or ::type by hand.
 
I'm leaving. Have a good night/day!
 
Xeo
// Maybe now?
template<class T, template<typename T::value_type> class Op>
using Fmap = std::integral_constant<decltype(Op<T::value>::value), Op<T::value>::value>;
 
Xeo
10:39 PM
Too bad I had to flip the parameters there
 
@Xeo Oh gawd, that's weird. That jumps the middle level.
 
Xeo
The what?
 
You may have it right now, but it's icky just thinking about it.
 
@Morwenn I'm not done with Igorrr yet :)
 
@Xeo It uses meta and values.
 
10:41 PM
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm...
 
@sehe Haha, The Algorithm being a mix of dubstep, djent and chiptune music, I doubt you'll like it that much. Except for some interesting rhythms from time to time.
 
Xeo
Oh gawd, Nanners is also starting with Surgeon Simulator 2013 now...
 
Anyway, twenty to one...
 
Xeo
Ya
Good time to sign off.
With my head full of functional things again. :(
Oh well, see ya tomorrow~
 
10:44 PM
@Morwenn I'm a bit worried leaving that YT tab armed in my browser. When I sleep my PC, it has a tendency to come back with the volume back at 100% which occasionally gives me minor heart attacks
That YT page might come back to jeopardize my sound system and relation with the neighbours
 
@sehe I know what you mean.
@sehe You don't always listen to Igorrr, but when you do, your neighbors too.
 
Infinite Loop is really quite convincing. I like it again
 
Glad you like it. I'm going to sleep anyway. Good night :)
 
Night
 
lol
Dat piss Slightly NSFW text
 
10:57 PM
lol
What is this amelistralian thing
 
34 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
So this is the newest fad: http://www.reddit.com/r/ameristralia
its Reddit that has this thing about America and Australia being friends now, I'm not quite sure how it originated
 
Okay.
Well it's cool I guess. Being friends is a good thing generally.
 
its true
Sound familiar?
 
Productive is the hurts.
 
11:02 PM
You're redditing so hard
 
@DomagojPandža I've been extremely productive of late, I do mean during the day
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's mighty gay (see definition 3)
 
@TonyTheLion It's fabulous.
 
11:06 PM
:)
 
What is it?
 
@Pawnguy7 A donut.
 
Ah. I see it now. The pattern of spills threw me off, it looked... solid.
 
@sehe "Moineau" can also be seen as an euphemism for a penis. At least in Quebec.
So, a very small penis.
 
That is one awesome donut.
 
11:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol /cc @Morwenn
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't think that's very current over here.
 
Yeah.
Anyway, I'm going home. See y'all!
 
Derplexia is apparently a thing. :P
5
 
Would anybody be able to assist me with boost?
 
Hm.
The only thing wrong with my thread pool is that I can't determine which thread to place the work on effectively.
 
11:12 PM

<!Real> C++ Room

ISO<14882:2011> I have nothing to say.
 
@Pawnguy7 I grant you one free question
 
Ah. Well... I am not quite sure how to use Boost. I seem to have downloaded the source. Are there binaries avaliable?
 
@Pawnguy7 just build it yourself you pansy :D
 
Ell
@pawnguy a lot of it is header only
 
@Pawnguy7 Most modules are header-only, the other ones you have to build are documented as such. You can build them with jam, it's a script in the root folder.
 
11:19 PM
I think I was going to use ASIO.
 
You think? Well, if you aren't sure...
 
Yeah, you have to build it.
 
Oh.
 
It's pretty straightforward though.
Just curious, are you building a game?
 
No.
Did you hear about my supporting the xbox controller for a robot?
 
11:22 PM
No?
 
Oh. Well, somebody I know... knows hardware stuffs, and made a robot. My task was to make a program that... I guess you could say, takes in input from the controllers and streams it through a serial port.
The input is done, but the serial port is not. I came across this boost library while searching for how to support serial ports.
 
@Morwenn the first few tracks on "Possion Soluble" are considerably more fucked up than "Pizza aux narines"
 
dat title
@Pawnguy7 Yeah, I think it's a good way to go
 
@sehe Wtf kind of title is that...
 
@Borgleader Fitting to the music
 
11:25 PM
Anyway. What do I do with the jam files? I ran bootstrap, whatever that did, but... hm.
 
@sehe Not downloading spotify
> bjam --with-system --with-thread --with-date_time --with-regex --with-serialization stage
 
@kbok Derp?! Who said anything about downloading anything? It was just a shorthand for copying out the track list
 
@sehe Oh, I thought it was an invitation to listen
 
Where would this bjam be?
 
tools/ or bin/ probably
 
11:27 PM
@kbok Just scroll up and see all the YT links by Morwenn
 
I think I'll listen to chiptune metal later
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This wouldn't tell anything about the brackets!
 
@kbok In Boost.Build perhaps? I see no bin, but that is in tools. (well, in build). Am I looking for, say, a bjam.exe? I found a bjam.log.
 
@Pawnguy7 I think the binary is b2.exe now
If bootstrap.bat succeeded you should have it in your boost root
That was your free question. I'm going to sleep now
 
somedir\boost_1_53_0\tools\build\v2\engine>if exist bootstrap rd /S /Q bootstrap

somedir\boost_1_53_0\tools\build\v2\engine>md bootstrap

somedir\boost_1_53_0\tools\build\v2\engine>cl /nologo /RTC1 /Zi /MTd /Fobootstrap/ /Fdbootstrap/ -DNT -DYYDEBUG -wd4996 kernel32.lib advapi32.lib user32.lib /Febootstrap\jam0 command.c (lots of similar .c files)
 
11:36 PM
@kbok Quite a fractured question
 
Is in the... log.
 
@Pawnguy7 Congrats!
 
?
Before the error, it said "cl" is not recognized.
 
use the vcvars32.bat or equivalent on your system
 
I feel like I ran that before, once. I will try to find it.
 
11:39 PM
@Pawnguy7 or just look for "developer command prompt" in your start menu
 
That was much faster :D
Seems to be the same.
 
Well, yeah, if start menus are your fancy, why don't you look in there in the first place :)
This is overly broad. It lacks the most basic crucial information (format versions?) and it shows no prior effort whatsoever. Also, I believe recent versions of Word use XML internally, so Spirit would appear to be a weird choice a priori — sehe 5 secs ago
 
Boost looks to be useful, at a glance. I can better see why it is so often used.
 
37 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
Derplexia is apparently a thing. :P
 
Are close votes flags?
 
11:49 PM
@Pawnguy7 You need 3k rep for VTC
 
Oh. I guess it will never happen then :D
 
> # override the in-game language
So nice I found this before changing the locale for the entire OS
 
Lol
 
Any idea what I should do as bootstrap seems to be... not working?
 
I watched the episode with all the lava
I'm so glad there's a texture override for this shit
 
Ell
11:56 PM
@pawnguy Google more, methinks
 
I have. I think I am more confused than I used to be.
 

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