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2:00 PM
template<typename T, typename... Args>
struct ignore_filter : ignore_filter<Args...,T> {};
// instead of
template<typename T, typename... Args>
struct ignore_filter {
  typedef typename ignore_filter<Args...,T>::type type;
};
 
Xeo
Mmm, I was toying around with general masking / filtering for seqs once
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, I thought you didn't like that form?
 
@ShafikYaghmour I can't remember the details. But the problem is that our pronunciation tends to be kind of "blurred". It's hard to tell individual words apart
 
@refp std::boolalpha!
 
Also, since the matter is readability, using instead of typedef; and alias templates.
 
Xeo
MSVC :'(
 
2:02 PM
@Xeo Why wouldn't I? It's way less verbose.
 
MSVC: Write all move constructors (by hand)!!
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I remember you telling me off for changing the indices page on the wiki to use that form.
 
@jalf Interesting, I just my second kid recently and this kind of stuff(childhood learning) is endlessly fascinating to me. If you run into again I would love to read it.
 
Actually, I often inherit from wheels::identity<T> instead of writing an explicit nested type.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if we disregard the none use of inheritence and using vs typedef and all that, is the "append an end-type and just turn the whole thing around" easier to read than the "add another type responsible for concat of tuple's".. or how I would now put it
 
Xeo
2:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, you need to use the full name with template arguments for that, no?
Or am I misremembering?
 
@Xeo Not sure what you mean.
 
@BartekBanachewicz not a very important detail, but sure..
 
@Xeo I am talking about foo : wheels::identity<int> {}; instead of foo { using type = int; };
 
Xeo
Oh
I was thinking this: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/…
 
> Pronunciation of Danish is difficult. Speech is very fast and comes out in a continuous stream that elides entire words. Vowels in the middle and at the end of words are seldom expressed.
> The University of Southern Denmark study shows that at 15 months, the average Danish toddler has mastered just 80 words, whereas a Croatian tot of the same age has a vocabulary of up to 200 term
 
2:06 PM
dude that's racist
 
Xeo
nom nom
Plunder
 
> ånden "breathing" [ˈʌnn̩]
Oh gawd.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes whut?
 
hm. Haswell CPUs have low-power standby mode for synchronizing data
 
user142019
Haskell FTFY
 
2:10 PM
so if you have, say, an ultrabook or a tablet with i7, it will be able to fetch your mails and facebook updates while on "sleep"
 
@jalf Well, they're not kidding when they say that you guys elide a ton of stuff.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah right, yeah :)
@ShafikYaghmour hmmm, looks like this link doesnt' provide any links to the study he references... It was the best I could find with a quick google though .)
 
Gosh, glottal stops everywhere!
 
"glottal" is a funny word :)
cphpost.dk/culture/quotdanskquot/… references the same study
 
@jalf Thank you, that is nice piece, I guess I was wondering how it compared to Mandarin which because of it's tonal patterns is hard to learn if you don't grow up with it and Arabic which I have been trying to learn on and off for a while and has a wacky root system
 
2:13 PM
> Danish actually has some 40 vowel sounds, says Bleses, depending upon where the vowels are placed in words and sentence strings.
 
@jalf Comes from glottis, an organ in the larynx.
 
Confession Bear: Some times I engineer odd looking syntax to see if people I work with can understand non trivial code
 
@jalf Hmm, wikipedia says 20.
 
"larynx" is a funny word too. :)
 
Xeo, help.
 
2:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I don't know. I haven't counted, and since a lot of them are similar, I'm not sure how many count as distinct from the others
 
@kbok I'd rather have neither.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes by the way, has your Swedish friend told you about our numbers too? If not, that's only a matter of time :)
they like making fun of that too
 
Xeo
Garbage goes to the bin.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'd rather have a ton of money and a villa in New York, too
 
@jalf It probably depends whether you count dialects and regional accents and whatnot. I suppose some of those 40 vowel sounds can perfectly take the place of some other and it still is "correct" Danish, just with a different accent.
 
user1357851
2:18 PM
the garbage collector crawlback function
 
In software development, dress codes are bullshit anyway. It's a relic from another age, and a sign that upper management has their heads up their asses.
 
user1357851
guess toliet is easy to crawl out of
 
@jalf Hmm, is it like German?
 
user1357851
@EtiennedeMartel depends on the industry you work in
 
(42 => zweiundvierzig, "two and forty")
 
2:19 PM
Well, that's part of it, yes
 
@EtiennedeMartel It depends. As I said, in some banks you work in the front-office where clients may hang out too, so it makes sense to ask people to suit up
 
the other part is that 50, 60, 70, 80, 80 are goddamn weird
 
user1357851
in finance (investment banking especially) everyone (software developers) wears shirt and dark pants, except girls. I used to spend a couple of hundred a months on clothes/shoes
 
@jalf Like French? (96 quatre-vingt-seize, "four twenties and sixteen")
 
Indeed, but screw thaaaat.
Who wants to work around idiots?
 
2:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hated that
 
Combine the French and German ones and you're nearly there
 
Sure, who wants to work in the places where people crawl under money
Completely blows your mind
 
96 is "seks og halvfems" (six and half fifth) (as in half of the fifth twenty)
 
@jalf ....wat
 
2:21 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Is that book special?
 
user1357851
@kbok except, most of people working in investment banking aren't except rich
 
user1357851
especially in recent years
 
@kbok Sad as fuck.
 
@Telkitty They aren't working in the good ones then vOv
 
2:22 PM
@melak47 The tens are basically in base 20 (and for odd ones, you kind of round up). 60 is the third twenty, 70 is halfway towards the fourth twenty
 
@jalf So I assume Swedish don't have that kind of crap?
 
user1357851
@kbok what are good areas and what's rich in your definition?
 
@jalf that's messed up D:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I see
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, theirs is straightforward, like in English. 96 is nine-tens six,
can't remember the spelling, but thats' what it means
 
2:23 PM
@Telkitty 20% higher salaries than the average in the industry start to count as rich in my book
 
BUT
 
In Swedish they spell 6 "sex" :)
/me likes
 
user1357851
@kbok guess you just have low standard then :p
 
@jalf I giggled when I first learned that.
A while back
 
2:24 PM
@TonyTheLion Surprising.
 
@Telkitty I don't get it?
 
I'm such a girl sometimes
 
cout
 
@hardliner dat pun
 
well Sechs isn't spelled much different :P
 
2:25 PM
@refp are you edoceo?
 
@TonyTheLion Cool, because we lack one in here.
 
cout<<"Hello!";
 
@jalf And they pronounce it /seks/, which is almost exactly like the English word :)
@BartekBanachewicz It is pronounced differently though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep. We pronounce it that way too (but spell it seks)
 
user1357851
@kbok I have friends who are working in investment banking (algorithmic trading to be specific) and I went to uni with people who sold companies (startups). The more successful guy in investment banking is racking in less than 200k a year, the guy who sold company made 10+ million in a couple of years. Tell me. who's rich?
 
2:26 PM
@hardliner std::cout << "Fix formatting and add a newline, huh?" << std::endl;
 
Xeo
Not that German is better, we just have a ... howdoyacallit... voiced (?) 's'
 
@bamboon yes
 
@Xeo Yeah, that's the term.
 
@Telkitty Salaries are very normalized here in France so a 20% difference is actually huge. Also I'm talking about programmer jobs here.
 
is there any one familiar with GTK+ in C?
 
2:27 PM
@bamboon I hung out at ##c++ a lot before my stackoverflow days
 
Xeo
@SudoReboot Maybe, but noone wants to talk about C.
 
@Xeo is there a room for C then?
 
@SudoReboot ah C. We don't do C.
@SudoReboot yep
 
Xeo
No(t anymore). Nobody likes C.
 
hue hue hue
yea, actually Xeo's right, C room is dead
C is a dead language, so it's not surprising
 
2:29 PM
well...thats disappointing..Thanks for the help O.o
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
C is like this dying pigeon in the gutter
 
user1357851
linux is written C, we won't go through there again
 
@kbok lol
 
@SudoReboot you might consider switching to some other language
 
2:30 PM
@Telkitty linux is like this old homeless dog who ate the pigeon
 
@Telkitty how is that relevant to anything? Legacy crap
 
user1357851
android is java in linux
 
@Telkitty which is even more crap
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that a Brazilian laughter?
 
@BartekBanachewicz cout<<"\n";
 
2:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course :)
hey, how the hell did you know that? o_O
 
well then what are good ways to develop GUI apps in C++?I know basic console appliactions in C++
 
@Telkitty android is like this crazy hobo dressed in pink who pets the dog
 
user1357851
Largest search engine & stock exchanges run on linux/unix
 
@SudoReboot Qt might be a nice option
 
@BartekBanachewicz chatting isn't low level enough for C programmers
8
 
2:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why is that more surprising than you knowing it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's... uh, ok, it's a League of Legends meme
 
user1357851
@kbok 1+ billion android activated, suck that
 
ohk.I will read about qt..Thanks
 
@Telkitty There's a lot of hobos too, that doesn't mean anything
 
@Telkitty that's orthogonal to android and java being ok. There are 7 billion people on the world, and most are idiots
 
Xeo
2:32 PM
Gosh dammit, can you two just stfu please.
Or take it to the bin or sth
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ha, figures. I'm a native Portuguese speaker, so... Do you know about "kkkkkkkkkkkkkk" as well?
 
Nobody likes my dying pigeon food chain metaphor. :(
 
That is cool stuff.
 
2:33 PM
Perhaps we need to rename that other room to "Java sucks, and Android does too"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I only know about kekekeke, but that's Korean :P
 
user1357851
That's unfortunate, except I can not live without idiots, they grow my rice & veges, make me bread, cakes. Farm my steak & pork. They make me nice dresses. I need idiots, but maybe they don't need me or my software
 
@JerryCoffin +1. (My Nexus is rather nice though :))
@Telkitty you forgot about one in particular
 
ITT Idiots grow rice with Android
 
@BartekBanachewicz AFAIK, only teenagers use "hue hue hue". Most everyone else I have encountered prefers "kkkkkkk", sometimes just "k", which is confusing as heck. And silly as heck.
 
user1357851
2:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz cars, trains & planes are also made by idiots, probably
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm glad (relieved) you like it.
 
@Telkitty I'll just leave that as an exercise.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Ya, I also like it thus far.
 
@JerryCoffin Point being, Android is usable if you have a lot of spare processing power
@Xeo have you got the 7 already?
 
Xeo
ya
 
user1357851
2:36 PM
Android is useful because it is cheap
 
user1357851
mass market does not need the latest geekware, it needs something that's cheap and it works for ones needs
 
Speaking of idiots, this is nice ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com
15
 
Scott Adams: "We're all idiots, at least 90% of the time."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn, I can't even write gibberish in there!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lemme guess. You have to enter password
 
2:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, it is. Coding for it is nasty though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahahahah
 
@EtiennedeMartel I like how it blinks if you keep trying.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like how it flashes
 
@JerryCoffin blergh. Eclipse included, huh? I want to use NDK for minicraft.
 
Android SDK is extremely user-friendly and well documented, NDK is somewhat hairier
 
2:40 PM
"hairier"
 
@BartekBanachewicz I suppose you could write manage everything on your own, but yes the ADT assumes you'll use Eclipse.
 
@rhalbersma ... said no one ever
 
user1357851
Eclipse is not too bad
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, that's actually what most people say.
 
user1357851
I use it for Android apps
 
2:41 PM
hairier comparative of hair·y (Adjective)
Adjective
Covered with hair, esp. thick or long hair: "a hairy chest".
Having a rough feel or appearance.
More info - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary
 
@Telkitty nobody cares for your twisted abomination code spawns
 
emacs + cedet + ecb
 
@Telkitty In that case, I hate to even think of what you'd think was too bad!
 
@rhalbersma Android is kind of shit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Compared to what? W8phone? Ios?
 
user1357851
2:42 PM
I have a high tolerance for crappy free softwares
 
@rubenvb so that's the new thrust competitor
 
@rhalbersma Xcode for iOS is light years ahead of eclipse, despite being shitty
Feb 8 at 13:24, by Cat Plus Plus
I'd rather write code by colouring pixels in Paint than use Eclipse
 
user1357851
I expect them to be bad - since they are free
 
@Scott what?
 
2:42 PM
@rhalbersma Compared to decent stuff.
 
guys, if I am citing Cat, things are serious
 
@ScottW never tried to write for Ios, hate Apple products with a passion
 
user1357851
Xcode, Visual Studio are both equally sucky when comes to linking external packages
 
this is serious thread
 
@rhalbersma Careful, don't go and trigger his PTSD.
 
2:43 PM
What are all you on about? We all know a Harrier is a fighter jet capable of vertical takeoff and landing.
 
user1357851
Vim is okay, but it is only a text editor
 
@rhalbersma so WHY THE FUCK are you saying FUD about things you don't have slightest idea about
 
user1357851
and unusable by newbs, they don't even know how to start
 
oh come on
fuck me I am going on noob killing spree again
someone is wrong on the internet
I didn't! I didn't! Forget that I did!
@ScottW "life" FTFY :)
 
user1357851
I have written C++ on visual studio, C++/C on vim (linux/unix), java for windows, java on linux, java for Android, and about 5 Objective C iphone apps, plus coding in plenty of scripting languages
 
2:46 PM
What is C++/C now
 
@Telkitty and it's miraculous how nobody cares
 
> The build stopped unexpectedly because of an internal failure.
I like MSBuild.
 
It's C++ without classes?
 
C++/C => credibility out the window.
 
@kbok it's only the ++
 
Xeo
2:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Telkitty => credibility out the window
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes She already had credibility before?
 
@ScottW Does it.. roll?
 
grwhrhfhh lagzordz
@kbok will it blend?
 
@kbok Halfway around, yes.
 
(removed)
 
2:48 PM
@ScottW It's your fault if you can't learn another language.
 
@BartekBanachewicz → 1 message moved to bin
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes I worked on some Unix c code before, for a couple of months - legency code
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahahaha, GEMA
 
so. much. fail.
 
2:49 PM
@Xeo ikr
 
Now I have to find the damn video myself
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nicely done.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I want to watch it obviously
 
@BartekBanachewicz wut
@BartekBanachewicz (anyway vimeo.com/20241459)
 
2:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz First time I've heard of somebody wanting to Rickroll himself.
 
it's a great piece of music
 
Mar 28 at 19:27, by Rapptz
Screw you guys. I enjoy being rickrolled.
 
Rapptz likes it too.
 
Hah!
 
2:52 PM
Two more for the "no taste in music" list, I guess!
 
oh come on
 
Guys, what does "godspeed" mean?
 
@JerryCoffin Top artists last 7 days: Celldweller, Queen, Aperture Science Psychoacoustics Laboratory, Megadeth
London Philharmonic Orchestra disappeared somehow
 
@kbok It's like wishing you luck.
 
@kbok watch "The Rock"
last decent Nicolas Cage movie
 
Xeo
2:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, Celldweller!
 
@rhalbersma hahaha I've seen it a dozen times
 
Xeo
Do you also have Blue Stahli in your list?
 
@Xeo Ah finally someone who knows that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Go visit Alice and get some taste.
 
@Xeo hm, no.
 
Xeo
2:55 PM
But you know him?
 
actually, no.
(Also listening to Joe Satriani right now)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz :O
 
@JerryCoffin oh lol that.
 
@JerryCoffin Quite meta at the intro.
 
user1357851
Donald Trump and Rosie O’Donnell should be a couple - think about how lovely their babies would be ...
 
2:56 PM
@Xeo lemme listen to what Jerry posted and then I'll get to it. Meanwhile, do you know I:Scintilla?
 
Xeo
Nopes
 
@kbok Mason: "I know something about you, Godspell."
Goodspeed: "Goodspeed."
Mason: "Goodspeed, Godspeed, Godspell."
 
@Xeo nuff said I like it :)
I:Scintilla is more chilled, if you want something more industrial-ish try Angelspit
 
What does "alternative" mean?
 

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