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4:00 AM
Oh. Robot logic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's your CG professor?
 
No, my CG teacher wasn't an autological phrase.
 
So now every time it gets cold, I can feel it tugging.
I hate my body.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry, a quick reference. This was the target.
 
4:01 AM
Nice.
Does wonders for my ego.
 
He's not that bad, by the way. He let us use any IDE we wanted and suggested Visual Studio.
 
You would think FileName would include the WHOLE name
It really just includes the last part of it (the file name excluding the full path)
 
Never even mentioned Dev-C++ (which is why I was surprised that was on his site).
 
4:02 AM
Dev-C++ is a giant pile of shitty
 
I had to use Dev-C++ in highschool. I was not pleased.
Also, I had to use a 700 MHz machine with a 14" CRT display with 128 MB of RAM.
 
Hmmm. Suppose I could look at the timestamp and correlate it to the timestamp in the indexing service, assuming it's enabled on the user's computer, and use that to find which directory the file is in....
Seems like there should be a simpler way though....
 
We were never forced to use any particular IDE.
 
Microsoft supposedly uses USN change journals for the backup service in Windows 8.
 
@DomagojPandža One presumes that you being in high school was a long time ago
 
4:04 AM
@DeadMG Erm, well, half a decade.
 
oh
 
Well, we had to use Turbo Pascal 7 for Turbo Pascal, but that makes some sense.
 
I thought you were a fair jump older than that
 
@DomagojPandža At the time Dev-C++ wasn't abandoned yet.
@DeadMG He's a young fart.
 
The Steinhaus–Johnson–Trotter algorithm or Johnson–Trotter algorithm, also called plain changes, is an algorithm named after Hugo Steinhaus, Selmer M. Johnson and Hale F. Trotter that generates all of the permutations of n elements. Each permutation in the sequence that it generates differs from the previous permutation by swapping two adjacent elements of the sequence. Equivalently, this algorithm finds a Hamiltonian path in the permutohedron. This method was known already to 17th-century English change ringers, and calls it "perhaps the most prominent permutation enumeration algo...
 
4:07 AM
Ahhhh. ParentFileReferenceNumber sounds useful
 
Anybody know this one? Lame. I just had to implement it for a class. That's the kind of stimulating work I'm given.
 
I'm actually 20 years old, 15 days ago. Used Dev-C++ in 2007, first year, had a failed female professor of mathematics as a teacher. Wiped the floor with her every class we had. So, yeah, 5 years ago in two months. I'm a really young fart.
I usually tend to hide my age so people don't judge based on that.
 
I remeber when this type of quality was acceptable because we were all on dialup.
 
4.6 kB/s ftw.
 
@DomagojPandža I thought you had a degree and whatnot.
 
4:12 AM
Haha, zed.
 
@DeadMG Made moneys, found a company and sent school to hell. Wrote about game development in local software engineering magazines as early as 2006. Hate bringing up my age.
 
lol
now I'mma remind you all the time that I'm a good 20 months older than you :P
and if you complain, then tough, respect your elders
 
Also, I don't know about your state's laws... But if any of you make it a bit more severely, try to register a company beforehand. Cost me a lot of taxes as an individual.
 
alright I'll shut up now
 
4:14 AM
@DeadMG Tony burps!
@DeadMG lol
 
@DomagojPandža Damn, I'm 20 myself on Thursday. Which doesn't do me shit. I can barely smoke, and can't drink.
 
jesus christ, what is this, a kindergarten? :P
 
20 is like the teaser birthday.
 
never did anything for my 21st.
 
@DeadMG In my state, age of consent is 19.
 
4:17 AM
I don't smoke nor drink, couldn't develop a taste for it.
 
@DomagojPandža Same here.
 
@DomagojPandža Who are you, @R.MartinhoFernandes?
 
did some drinking 14-18 but after that, nothing
 
> couldn't develop a test for it.
 
4:17 AM
what's the easiest way to SFINAE things that aren't standard container types?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes > I don't smoke nor drink, couldn't develop a test for it.
Robot... test...
 
I think that Daknok is the youngest.
What is he, 14?
 
@DomagojPandža Possibly. 16 I think
 
@KeithLayne How do you mean?
 
he is the most obnoxiously talkative.
 
4:18 AM
@DomagojPandža 17. There was someone here the other that was 13.
 
12
 
lol
 
I hate children. That's why I hate bringing up my age.
 
Jul 26 at 23:23, by user1515422
@Mysticial I'm not allowed to be 12 here. -_-
 
4:19 AM
@DomagojPandža Meh, I like kids. I don't to have kids, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes only match types with cbegin() and cend(). I thought using them in the function would take care of that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It will be a scary day when I have little half clones of myself running around.
 
GOT THE DIRECTORY PATHS!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Kids, robot. You know those irritating, full of themselves, unmutated voices in Battlefield 3?
 
@DomagojPandža My children will be well behaved and proper.
 
4:20 AM
@KeithLayne If you want errors, using them is enough. If you want to pick overloads, you need to make some trait. Lemme dig an example.
 
no...
don't dig
 
@Drise So in other words, you'll lobotomize them.
 
I don't need to pick overloads. It's way simpler than that.
 
@DeadMG Only occasionally..
 
4:21 AM
@DomagojPandža Erm. I don't play games with kids over the Internet.
But I do spend some good times with my little cousins.
 
You know those little cunts that come to online forums to showcase how they're making the new Call of Duty and offend everyone?
 
can you default a template parameter to a dependent type of another parameter?
 
@DeadMG Not really. I'll just teach them to keep it down on the internet.
 
@KeithLayne Yes.
 
There is nothing worse than children on the internets.
 
4:22 AM
you know
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes could that work?
 
non-determinism is a really bad sign for my solver.
 
@DomagojPandža Cunts was an unnecessary adjective.
 
It's matching const char[] for some reason.
 
@KeithLayne I'm still unsure what you want.
 
4:23 AM
also, I'm pretty sure there's only one 8bit code that hashes to the same as this test character.
 
@DeadMG Erm, you mean, like UB?
 
And script kiddies, damn, I want to shoot those.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't think so. More likely non-determinism.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's for me to know and you to...not make fun of.
 
Well, how can help then?
 
4:24 AM
gonna write in some contradiction checking
for one thing
 
it worked
you're gonna laugh
 
then I need to change my code so that I can perform reductions dynamically
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How old are you, 25?
 
template <typename T, typename V = typename T::value_type>
std::ostream& operator<<(std::ostream& os, T const& v) {
  std::copy(v.cbegin(), v.cend(), std::ostream_iterator<V>(os, " "));
  return os;
}
 
@DomagojPandža That's a tough question. I need to do the math.
Yep, 25.
 
4:25 AM
hmm
either I run a reductive pass, or, I add another level of indirection.
 
@KeithLayne No, I won't laugh. I do that kind of thing (using default parameters for "typedefs") sometimes.
However, I do so when I need to refer to the V type on the signature.
If you only need it in the body you can just using V = typename T::value_type;.
 
a typedef in the body that was the same caused a compile error.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are to me, what I am to my girlfriend's illustrious 15 year old brother who likes to code games. Goddamn it, I should've said that I am 45 years old, now I'm a little cub.
 
it was matching const char[] for some reason. boo.
 
@KeithLayne Oh, right. Because you really want to pick overloads.
Liar.
 
4:27 AM
yeah, kinda
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes SFINAE.
 
@DomagojPandža I don't know what that means.
 
if I make this work
 
I'm sorry, I just don't know enough to speak intelligently. About anything.
 
4:28 AM
then I wonder what I'll do
 
@DomagojPandža No, the whole thing.
 
I see him as a child. Probably the way you observe 20 year olds. :D
 
What? Me? Ha, lol.
 
@DomagojPandža Nah.
the difference between 15 and 20 is miles ahead of 20 and 25
 
@LucDanton I thought typedef typename T::value_type value_type or something in the function body would cause substitution failure.
 
4:29 AM
@KeithLayne No SFINAE outside of signatures.
 
@DeadMG True, unfortunately, most people don't see it that way. Hence, the hiding.
 
This kind of thing is why I've decided that I actually need to program C++ regularly. So something will stick.
@R.MartinhoFernandes can you explain that in one sentence or less?
 
C++ is a very deep language, most people don't see it until it hits them in the ass. :D
 
@KeithLayne Erm. That is one sentence.
 
in ENGLISH. By the way, ^ that was 2.
 
4:32 AM
You only get SFINAE with stuff that is on the signatures themselves.
Bodies don't count.
 
you mean template signature, right?
 
The whole thing.
Anything you would put in a declaration.
 
man
 
One of the hardest things to teach is SFINAE. People just don't grok it very fast.
 
adding a reductive pass for each propagation is killing my performance.
 
4:33 AM
Return type, name, arguments and for function templates you can add template arguments to the list.
 
I wish I could multithread this thing
 
@DeadMG Way too much dependencies to crunch it on multiple cores. :D
 
that's not actually true.
more accurately, if you crunch it on multiple cores, it takes up 100% of the CPU and Windows dies an agonizing death.
 
@DomagojPandža The worst part is, I've successfully used it before. I think I did better with a case where I knew that I wanted to pick overloads. With traits and stuff. I was just to dumb to realize what I was doing here.
 
@DeadMG Throttle it?
 
4:35 AM
wha?
 
Don't let it go apeshit, it doesn't have to suck all the juice.
But yeah, it's hard to do.
Outweighs the profit.
 
yeah, I get the idea of throttling it, but I don't know of any actual way to do so
 
Damn, cracking on sha-2, that must be a mind bender.
 
sides, I'm not sure that it does outweigh the profit.
when it's taking about 0.3 second/level, give or take, and I'mma be waiting till 600 levels
 
@DeadMG On the workload side (coding effort), there is no uniform way to say, hey, you're killing the system, chill the fuck out.
 
4:40 AM
it would actually be quite similar to optimizing Conway's Game of Life.
and I actually have quite a naive algorithm.
in terms of computational efficiency
 
Which will probably blow up in your face halfway through. But awesomeness happens if the explosion sparks the necessary spark to complete your train of thought.
 
no, wait, my mistake- that optimization can't apply
 
There. :Đ
 
I have COMEFROM instead of GOTO
 
4:42 AM
could build a LUT though..
that would sure help
 
COMEFROM :2323
Me hearty

:2323
yarrrrrrrrrrrr
Well, it is morning, 6:43. Time for some loud music.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Consider it simply.
if I solve a xor b, then how do I find all the formulae which might now be satisfiable when they weren't before?
the formula that I just solved sure doesn't contain that information.
but if I built a lookup table, I could find them instead of having to do 9999999 searches for them.
 
I need to cook some food.
Eggs come to mind.
 
nomnomages?
 
I really should've imported my mother into my apartment.
 
4:50 AM
lol
import mother.*
 
Eggs without bread, can't go wrong?
 
@DeadMG Java?
 
agree
@R.MartinhoFernandes Python?
 
@DomagojPandža What kind of apartment do you have? Universe-sized?
 
4:51 AM
@DeadMG No semicolons.
 
@DomagojPandža I used to eat hard-boiled eggs on their own.
 
Ok, Last question, because then I'm done. I need a random number between min and max. I don't care about distribution, just some number.
 
@DeadMG Doing that right now. Hopefully, won't taste as shit.
 
@Drise (rand() % (max - min)) + min
 
Alternatively, 4.
 
4:53 AM
@DomagojPandža Can't say I'm familiar with the taste of shit.
 
@DeadMG You need to taste my cooking.
 
thanks, but I'll skip.
 
Goddamn restaurants open up at 7am-8am
If it weren't for pizza, I'd be dead.
 
McDonalds opened an hour ago, and Tesco will open in six minutes.
fortunate, because I'm low on artificial sweetener
@R.MartinhoFernandes By the way
your point about dynamic constant folds appears to have been worth precisely jack shit.
just figured I'd point this out.
 
And for srand?
 
4:55 AM
@Drise What about srand?
seeding the generator is orthogonal to receiving the desired range.
 
YES!
I found a watermelon.
 
@DeadMG What should I feed it so it grows into a beautiful beanstalk?
 
Watermelon (Citrullus lanatus (Thunb.), family Cucurbitaceae) is a vine-like (scrambler and trailer) flowering plant originally from southern Africa. Its fruit, which is also called watermelon, is a special kind referred to by botanists as a pepo, a berry which has a thick rind (exocarp) and fleshy center (mesocarp and endocarp). Pepos are derived from an inferior ovary, and are characteristic of the Cucurbitaceae. The watermelon fruit, loosely considered a type of melon – although not in the genus Cucumis – has a smooth exterior rind (green, yellow and sometimes white) and a juicy, swe...
Sweet reddish joy.
 
@Drise No idea.
 
I hate when i'm listening to electronic music on pandora, because I can't ever tell if it's the audio is skipping, or that's how the song was designed
@DeadMG Kidding. How do I seed srand?
 
4:56 AM
@DeadMG Why, thank you.
 
@Drise I really don't know anything significant about such things.
 
For a simulation?
 
oh
 
I'd seed it with 17.
 
Weird Al wins.
 
4:57 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except that I now had to wait like, ten minutes for a single failure instead of like, one minute.
 
TASTES SO GOOD.
 
@DeadMG Tits.
Is it supposed to be making fun of the Matrix?
 
it was produced before the film was released
 
I just love these guys who write comments about programming on YouTube.
 

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