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2:00 PM
Your spelling failures gives that away
 
in Android People, 18 mins ago, by Telkitty
lol, yeah time to change my avatar, I am using this avatar to 'annoy' the people on another chat, since I wouldn't be going back there like ever, might as well change it :p
 
ahahahaha
 
So she basically admits that her sole purpose in chat is to troll.
 
@ereOn Lol :P
 
2:01 PM
@Mysticial yep
 
@Mysticial that's why she is the only person on my plonk list
 
Xeo
@Mysticial In this room, anyways.
 
@Doorknob this deserves a pun with doorknobs
 
Because trolling is so funny
 
but I can't think of one
 
2:02 PM
If we get the auto-binning bot working, I'd love to see what happens if she comes back.
 
she get binned
she can got talk in the bin
to her other self
 
@Mysticial perfect guinea pig
 
11 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
it will work and it will be awesome
 
Calling it now: the bot will be caught in flood control hell
 
oh yea
 
2:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus yeah... that might be problematic. multiple bots, maybe?
 
Also it'd have to bin replies too
 
@CatPlusPlus it can just retry.
 
this suddenly seems a lot more complicated that I thought
 
@CatPlusPlus Erm, why? Flood control is the same for everyone.
 
If we do get the auto-binning bot to work, I do want to assert a policy that a significant portion of the regulars/room owners should be in favor of a ban to actually put someone on the auto-binning list.
 
2:04 PM
thanks great censors for granting me access
 
@ScottW lol
 
@rhalbersma The only great censor was afking- the others aren't great at all
^^
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Not really, if it immediately reacts.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Many spammers vs one bot?
 
We'll see
You know, maybe we should just go to meta and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine until they give in
 
Xeo
Anyways, I don't like that @jalf left.
 
2:06 PM
@Xeo Same.
 
Me neither but otoh his argument is crap
 
@Xeo Do you think that's a problem worth solving?
 
@CatPlusPlus Today is day 800 of that tactic.
 
@Xeo He left because of gallery mode?
 
@Borgleader Yeah.
 
Xeo
2:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really
 
user142019
Okay. Got jQuery working with Greasemonkey LOL.
 
@Xeo I think he will be back if we turn off the gallery in a reasonable timeframe.
 
Xeo
Also, does binning excite the flood control script?
 
@rightfold unsafeWindow bub
 
user142019
Didn't work. :v
 
2:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can bin multiple messages at once. So if it gets rate limited, you can do them in bulk.
 
@Xeo I wouldn't be surprised if it had longer cooldown than ordinary messages
 
user142019
Oh well.
 
Basically, queue them all up. And try again only after the wait period has expired.
 
We'll see
 
@Xeo Not as far as I know, because binning is an action, not really a message.
 
2:09 PM
@Mysticial But you have to bin asap otherwise people will start replying and it'll go to shit and defeat the purpose
 
but since you can bin arbitrary numbers of messages in one go, there's no issue.
 
So there's not really a room for bulking
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think it matters.
 
We'll see
 
We could also auto-edit the bin messages to, "Message from banned user removed." or something less antagonizing.
 
2:10 PM
most likely, we'd just plonk the bot.
Standard quotes as good as any other content frankly
 
wait, if the binning is not instant, wouldn't we see the message for a second?
 
Editing is rate-limited :v:
 
there's nothing wrong with a couple seconds delay, I think
 
@DeadMG Anyone new to the room won't have the bot plonked, so it might be a good idea to edit the bin message to something more "informative".
 
I really hate that we have to go through this workaround binge
 
2:12 PM
@Mysticial True
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, it might even be easier to add a "ban a user" feature-request on meta
 
@Doorknob It's been done so many times.
 
Hey guess what
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Q: Make it possible to revoke write access to public chat rooms

Cat Plus PlusThere is already a two-tier ACL system in place: it allows us to choose default access mode (Public for "default read and write" and Gallery for "default read, no write"), and then assign access levels to users. For the purpose of this post, let's label them: Level 0: explicit read access Level...

 
@DeadMG that's what I supposed... :/
 
@CatPlusPlus But I'm all in favor of it if we can avoid gallery mode and get @Jalf to come back. He is very correct with the "barrier to entry" argument.
 
2:12 PM
if that would solve the problem, we wouldn't be having it
 
@Mysticial He's really not
But I don't want him to go either
 
@CatPlusPlus It's mostly a UI thing. As it's likely to turn away people are just curious. Or lurkers who want to jump in.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think you are overthinking it.
 
It's SO chat ~vision~ being retarded piece of shit
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey that's my job
 
Woa, what happened.
 
2:15 PM
@EtiennedeMartel a lot
 
@EtiennedeMartel Trial run for gallery-mode elimination of trolls. While we're at it, we're gonna try to build an auto-binning bot as an alternative.
 
@EtiennedeMartel [You need a Lounge<C++> Gold Pass(c) to view this reply]
 
lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel A lot of us are against permanent gallery mode (including myself), and we already lost Jalf. But everyone seems to be in favor of an auto-binning bot.
 
And then balpha will descend on us and that'll be the end of Lounge<C++>
 
2:16 PM
oh gawd, the choas
 
I don't like the idea of a permanent gallery.
 
I think most of us are against permanent gallery.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: An inferno of chaos. [c++] [c++11] [no-helpdesk]
 
We could also create our own community, our own stack-overflow with our own chat ! I already have a PHP skeleton for it. Who's in ?! :)
 
@Mysticial Are bots officially ok?
 
2:17 PM
But an auto-binning bot will be interesting.
 
Fuck it, we can still make a different decision later.
 
@ereOn that will never happend
 
room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
 
@ShafikYaghmour They exist in other rooms already.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yay :D
 
2:18 PM
so much for a trial
 
And back to beginning
 
how is everyone?
 
it lasted an hour
 
@TonyTheLion Well, I was obviously kidding hey. I thought the presence of the "PHP" in my sentence would have made that explicit enough.
 
2:18 PM
Nothing will change and that's that
 
@LuchianGrigore Disappointed and uneasy.
 
@CatPlusPlus meh
 
@TonyTheLion AFAICS the results involved a lot of bitching about it...
 
@CatPlusPlus so we'll have to settle with personal plonk lists
 
Why is change so goddamn hard?! FFS people
 
2:18 PM
@Mysticial How do you build one?
 
Xeo
Isn't there a Chat API?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think gallery mode served it's purpose for now.
 
@LucDanton what happened?
 
@ShafikYaghmour I dunno, I've seen one in Javascript room though.
 
@Xeo No
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thank you, I did some looking but did not find anything obvious
 
!!> 'my bot is in ' + 'javascript'
@Doorknob "my bot is in javascript"
 
There is also this bot in the REBOL room which once you joined, harass you with REBOL stuff you don't give a damn about.
 
@LuchianGrigore I dunno if you're around here often enough to notice. But we've had a very big troll problem. So we went into a trial test for gallery mode to boot the troll. But gallery mode has huge consequences. So now we've pulled out of that, and will try to build an auto-binning bot.
 
Yeah if we're going with a bot then strip this useless crap and only make it bin things
 
2:21 PM
Getting change in this room seems like getting change in a government, it always appears to go somewhere, and never actually goes anywhere. /badgeneralizationisbad
 
Otherwise it'll be worse than trolls
@TonyTheLion And people wanted democracy here, ha
 
Perhaps one other possibility (though it doesn't look like the tools are really built to handle it well): instead of an auto-bin bot, perhaps a bot to automatically give write permission to new SO users when they hit, say, 200 rep. Then we can still go back and remove write access from anybody who causes a problem.
 
@TonyTheLion I don't think it's about change.
 
So, who volunteers to be the target of vengeful auto-binning bots?
 
2:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is it about then?
 
@JerryCoffin That could actually work.
 
@JerryCoffin hmm... interesting...
 
But wait, Were we hit by a wave of trolls this morning?
 
@CatPlusPlus Democracy is fine. As long as there is somebody on the top that can decide alone for everything the people disagree on.
 
@JerryCoffin now that could be an idea
 
2:22 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Apparently Telkitty tension reached critical mass
 
@EtiennedeMartel Telkitty pushed us over the edge.
 
@JerryCoffin All 5 million of them?
 
@ereOn I.e. not a democracy
:lol:
 
@JerryCoffin low rep != troll
 
@Mysticial link?
 
2:22 PM
@DeadMG A bot sympathiser are you now?
 
@CatPlusPlus Why do people never get my sarcasms ?! :/
 
@JerryCoffin >200 rep != not a troll
 
@Mysticial lol. who? link?
 
@ereOn a group of people deciding anything seems not to work very well. You need someone to take charge.
 
@LucDanton I am absolutely on the side of the autobinning bot :P
 
2:23 PM
@Doorknob No, but it keeps the list manageable, and still removes any barrier to entry from the vast majority of likely users.
 
user142019
Okay.
 
user142019
Almost done with the bot.
 
woah
 
2:23 PM
Is it June already?
 
@rightfold what... :O
 
ahaha
 
Zoidberg V2.0 seems to be working better.
 
that was quick
 
@MartinJames someone fixed the livelock
 
2:24 PM
All hail the new Zoidberg! :P
 
The thing he's not telling you is that it's pony-posting bot
 
@CatPlusPlus All that for Telkitty?
 
@CatPlusPlus :(
 
@Borgleader Too lazy to find it, but I remember Xeo going mad last night, and by the time I woke up in the morning, there was a new policy to ban all images from Telkitty. That's how bad it got.
 
@EtiennedeMartel she invoked this crap, I think
 
user142019
2:24 PM
Gimme a few minutes.
 
Just make a bot that auto-bins whatever she says and that's it.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial I went mad?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was for that in general, didn't even know about Telkitty
 
@Xeo Or whatever. Bad choice of words.
 
@Mysticial he's already mad. Madness within.
 
2:25 PM
I was pretty annoyed as well, but I was busy, so I didn't soak it all up.
 
@TonyTheLion There's a method to his madness, though.
 
Xeo
Telkitty was simply pissing me off
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
A whole weekend wasted on Ponies. I'm all for a pony trap.
 
Exciting day on the lounge eh?
 
2:25 PM
@Xeo she has that habit
 
@Xeo did you ever build Wide? :P
 
meh, I've had telkitty plonked almost since I first went in this chat so I really can't tell :P
 
@Jueecy.new this place is buzzing
 
Xeo
@DeadMG No :(
 
@MartinJames It's not a waste.
It's never a waste.
 
2:26 PM
@rightfold Dude, you can't do anything. That's against the fuckin' law.
 
I think we should freeze this room
:P
 
I think I don't even care anymore
 
user142019
@DeadMG I'm testing it in the Java Sucks room.
 
@rightfold I think that was a joke about sex.
 
oh Cat gave up... :(
 
2:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. Just plain "Zoidberg can't finish a project".
 
You should read this. Also you're dumb and didn't read this message anyway.
 
Fuck you cat.
 
ahahahah
 
LOL
 
Reverse psychology doesn't work like that :s
 
Xeo
2:27 PM
Do you even read before you star a message? :|
 
yep
I laughed and starred it
 
Hey it's true, nobody reads that pin
I don't know why we bother with this
 
Then stop bothering and let someone else do it.
 
Your scars are showing Cat
 
user142019
2:29 PM
It works!
 
user142019

Java Sucks!

JavaScript Sucks!
 
Number of times I've set the topic or written a pinned message: 0.
 
Oh jesus, Cat has entered the "I don't give a fuck" mode.
 
@rightfold woohoo :D
 
At least don't ping Telkitty so maybe she won't notice the gallery mode is gone
 
2:30 PM
@rightfold hmm... when I post two message quickly only one of them bins
 
user142019
Meh.
 
Welcome to your new favourite place! Please read the newbie hints so that you can feel at home.
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user142019
@Doorknob I should buffer them and flush periodically.
 
yes indeed
 
You should always flush
 
2:31 PM
@rightfold it's a spambot currently
 
I told ya it'd get hit by flood control
 
you need a delay between binning
 
user142019
15 seconds enough?
 
that seems a bit too much
 
user142019
2:33 PM
Tony' you're on the blacklist.
 
user142019
To test. :P
 
Xeo
Ohey, another crazies: groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msg/std-proposals/VROimyg83fc/… /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
Although the basic idea is interesting, he completely overshoots.
Oh nvm, it's the same crazies from before
 
Tuple sugar is nice
 
Xeo
Sure
 
But unhelpful for error-reporting in a world of costly to construct values.
 
user142019
2:34 PM
It works! It's magic!
 
@Xeo Meh, stupid kitchen sink crap.
 
@rightfold it works :D
 
user142019
 
user142019
The configuration is at line 18.
 
So who's going to leave this running 24/7 on their account
 
2:36 PM
whoever, I could do
 
user142019
Or make a new account.
 
I mean, I'm always logged in somewhere
 
@CatPlusPlus the whitelsit only?
 
@CatPlusPlus aka binmaster.
 
@thecoshman What?
 
2:36 PM
I don't think it does make much sense. What would (int; int) func() pass to int another(int) on another(func())?
 
he can't spell
 
@CatPlusPlus sorry, only just tuned back in, no idea what's going on
 
@Jueecy.new Nothing, the types don't match
 
Also noticed a subtle update, the title stops counting posts after a while of inactivity
 
func() would return tuple<int, int> semantically
 
2:37 PM
it used to just keep counting, so after a weekend there would be like 2000 posts
 
tuple<int, int> != int
Therefore error
 
Currently this is a minor syntactic annoyance in a few not so common scenarios. So fuck it.
 
@CatPlusPlus, oh I didn't know there was a specific std class for this...
 
@thecoshman I only see a favicon and the image gets unreadable pretty quickly
 
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
So who's going to leave this running 24/7 on their account
 
2:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But, yeah, the Lounge is supposed to be a friendly place.
 
^ might be a problem
 
@EtiennedeMartel Its friendly, except when its not.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: jalf come back we can't change a thing anyway [c++] [c++11] [no-helpdesk]
 
@CatPlusPlus changes the page title to count posts, go to another tab for a bit and you will see
 
jalf ragequit?! lol
 
2:40 PM
You might want to plink him.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes What I find annoying is that you can't unpack tuples without default-constructing something first. Well, not nicely, anyways. I guess with std::optional it would somewhat work.
 
@jalf come back we can't change a thing anyway
 
[abstractpissingstrategy]
lol
 
6 mins ago, by Luc Danton
But unhelpful for error-reporting in a world of costly to construct values.
i.e. wrong tool anyway
 
@rightfold Now there has to be someone to keep this bot running on a separate account on a separate computer :/
 
2:41 PM
@Xeo Macros :getin:
 
@Xeo You can if you don't unpack them.
 
user142019
> Fred
 
So who's gonna run the bin-bot 24/7?
 
user142019
@Doorknob @sehe and @StackedCrooked have VPSes, don't they?
 
2:41 PM
offs
 
user142019
Maybe one of them can run it.
 
@rightfold ummm I don't know
 
create a LoungeBot Account
 
¬_¬ oh for fuck sake, are you actually going to run a bin bot?
 
@rightfold Weren't you running it on Greasemonkey?
 
2:42 PM
get it some rep
and there you go
@thecoshman yes
 
Get it banned on suspicion of sockpuppetry
 
because trolls
 
@thecoshman yes
 
@thecoshman yes, it works :D
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes Google Chrome's built-in thing that's largely compatible.
 
2:42 PM
@Doorknob bull shit
 
user142019
But I don't want to run it 24/7.
 
Now someone will find a reason why binning bot is ~~elitism~~
 
@CatPlusPlus Android rooms bot doesn't get banned
 
user142019
It should work with Greasemonkey too.
 

Java Sucks!

JavaScript Sucks!
 
2:43 PM
@thecoshman It's buggy, but it works.
 
@CatPlusPlus then it gets silly
@Mysticial needs more jQuery
 
@CatPlusPlus Actually, any form of censorship can be seen as elitism
 
@thecoshman it's a blacklist. @Mystical and I are on it for testing
 
Rule enforcement is not censorship
 
What if someday the bot takes over and decides that only bots have the right to speak ?
 
2:44 PM
@rightfold Right, so it has to run on a browser...
 
@ereOn elitism can also be seen as elitism
 
@ereOn I don't like it either. But there's no other way to get rid of the worst of the trolls.
 
Have we just created another Skynet ?
 
sounds like bullshit to me
 
@CatPlusPlus I think you need to find a balance and just consider it being pragmatic
 
2:44 PM
Also fuck it
I'm all for elitism
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. :L
 
@ereOn then Robot is lucky
 
There I said it
 
user142019
I have no idea how else to do the authentication. It's certainly possible but it requires a lot of work.
 
Charge tenbux to chat
Ban everyone who doesn't like it
 
2:45 PM
I'm king, I decide who gets to chat
fuck you everybody :)
 
user142019
No, Willem Alexander is king.
 
@CatPlusPlus Is that what SA does?
 
There's no chat :(
 
@CatPlusPlus You can lick my vegetables.
 
what ever happened to simply flaming noobs?
 
2:46 PM
Also this is awesome but Dark Souls additional content spoilers: youtube.com/watch?v=Y5vleWLM1cY
 
So are we gonna build a bin-bot account? And who will control it?
 
@Mysticial room owners
we can create a generic email account for it
 
Alright, here's my take on the whole issue: the Lounge should be as noob-friendly as possible. We're not a fucking ivory tower. Sure, sometimes we get a few trolls, but they're manageable through binning, flaming and the occasional flag for moderator. We should not fuck up every newbie that comes in here because some of them are assholes.
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@TonyTheLion because that works brilliantly ¬_¬
 
and give room owners access
 
Xeo
2:49 PM
Nope
 
My kitchen is full of ants :(
 
user142019
Don't forget you also need to have write access to the bin or else it will break lol.
 
@thecoshman if you have a better idea, then say it, and stop contradicting things for its own sake
 
user142019
It would get hot and do nothing else.
 
@Jueecy.new then don't be a filthy hobo
 
2:49 PM
@Jueecy.new that sucks
 
@TonyTheLion don't be dicks
 
@EtiennedeMartel Agreed. Which is why I want a significant portion (or even majority of room owners) to agree to a ban, before we add anyone to the auto-bin list.
 
this ^
 
What I'm saying is we shouldn't need an auto-bin bot.
Telkitty is by far the worst thing we've faced up until then, and that's only because we let her do what she wanted.
 
but we do
 
2:50 PM
no
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel No, because we didn't have the tools to stop her.
 
We "let her" because there's no way to not "let her"
 
we don't
 
does not compute
 
What we would need on the other hand, is a bot that randomly posts pictures of naked womans (aka. boobs).
 
2:50 PM
11 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
We "let her" because there's no way to not "let her"
 
@CatPlusPlus I think we're gonna have to get over our fear of flags.
 
user142019
@ereOn and then bins them since they're NSFW.
 
@ereOn for those who are working.
 
Coordinated flagging works rarely
 
apparently I am the only one around here who does not have a serious problem with @telkity
 
2:51 PM
@DeadMG sure, I'll be back whenever the room is friendly to outsiders, letting people speak if and when they want, without approval from The Clique(tm). That's why I can't stand Meta, and I don't want to participate in a chat room which works like that either. The chat is for everyone or no one as far as I'm concerned. I don't like the middle ground where The Clique(tm) gets to decide who's allowed to talk. But there's nothing final in me leaving. :)
 
There's always someone going "what, flags, what what" even though specifically told to flag to ban
 
@thecoshman you probably haven't tried to talk to her for very long
 
@rightfold Yeah, that would be awesome. The illness and the cure, reunited in one single autonomous program.
 
But w/e I don't care
 
@CatPlusPlus I meant flag for mod.
 
2:52 PM
@TonyTheLion I have. and apart from the stupid images, I have no problems
 
@jalf Do you object to a binbot?
 
user142019
Let it run in the PHP room.
 
Xeo
No, just no. Don't even think about it.
 
@jalf FTR: I found your volatile reaction (compounded by the 'Lounge<Elitism>' quip) very dismissive of others' motivation to consider such drastic measures in the first place. Ditto 'The Clique'.
 
Although, if I come back, the room title will be changed, I suspect. :(
 
2:53 PM
It really poisons the discussion.
 
@LucDanton sure, but I figured it wasn't my discussion. It's not my room, and if the majority wants to change the rules, I won't stand in the way
 
@EtiennedeMartel The problem is that she never posts any single message that is flag worthy. But she does enough mildly disruptive things that it becomes a problem in the long run.
 
@DeadMG er, what would a binbot bin?
 
@Mysticial Just bring a moderator in and explain the issue.
 
@jalf Every message from a user designated by The Clique(tm).
 
Xeo
2:54 PM
@Mysticial mmm, rum
 
She's an exception.
 
@Mysticial yay rum
 
Moderators are exception handlers.
 
user142019
I'mma go for diner so… I'll see you in about an hour. Bot is offline.
 
jalf is back!
 
user142019
2:54 PM
@jalf blacklist auto-bin.
 
user142019
See Java Sucks room for example.
 
@jalf Um, I have a shorthand for 'poisoning the discussion in which I'm not interested': trolling :s
 
Xeo
@rightfold should rename himself to "R. Fold" and run the bot
 
@thecoshman you're a pirate.
 
@TonyTheLion and?
 
2:55 PM
I was being silly
because I had decent response to your message
 
@LucDanton the intent was not to poison the discussion, just to state my opinion and then leave the rest up to you
@LucDanton Also, the Elitism thing wasn't a quip. I meant that. Either we are the Elite in our room, or the room is for everyone who want to be here. If people don't like to be called elitist, they shouldn't behave as such.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Has any tried to get a moderator to apply a chat suspension before?
 
perhaps a Lounge<Elite> would be a good idea.
 
@jalf See, I like it better when you're comprehensive like that.
 
@TonyTheLion you did?
 
2:56 PM
@DeadMG It might. I mean, if people want such a room, I see no reason why it shouldn't exist. :)
 
@ShafikYaghmour It worked before for a bunch of extreme cases.
@DeadMG You're not helping.
 
no, I think it would be fine.
 
The point is, this room is about having fun, not about a small group of people circle jerking.
 
no reason why I can't be in both Lounge<C++> and Lounge<Elite> at the same time.
 
@EtiennedeMartel could fool me
 
2:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Nobody has any intentions of circle-jerking.
 
What happens when you are no longer good enough for Lounge<Elite> ?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't start misrepresenting either...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, but another point is that there'll probably be sufficient interest in a room for a small exclusive group to have fun and be left in peace by others
 
@DeadMG Lounge<C++> "No elitist twats"
 
2:57 PM
@thecoshman did not, meh
 
@TonyTheLion meh
 
That's the problem with elitism: at some point, even those who are in favor of it get excluded by their own rules.
 
@ereOn You end up in Java Sucks
 
What I'm saying is: it's fine, everything is fine, stop overreacting, just leave things as is.
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@EtiennedeMartel this
 
2:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel BUT YOU'RE THE ONE OVERREACTING!!!
 
@ereOn Not really no
 
@LucDanton I'm not the one suggesting a fucking binbot because one troll did something in here.
 
@LucDanton -1. Needs more exclamation points. :-)
 
okay folks, when you've finally agreed on something, let me come in and overrule your agreement and make a final decision :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel 'everything'?
 
2:59 PM
<--- I'm King and you suck. :)
 
@TonyTheLion no
 
@thecoshman There. Better?
 

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