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10:00 PM
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
also someone tell bartek to come on mumble
 
And the screenie for everyone's enjoyment: i.sstatic.net/6nqwY.png
 
@Mysticial ...which bums me out -- I was writing a much snappier come-back than any of yours.
 
@JerryCoffin you might have a chance to use it still
 
@JerryCoffin I thought mine was pretty good
 
10:01 PM
@JerryCoffin Finish it anyway. He's gonna be back.
 
mine winds
 
apparently reconnect is taking more than 5 minutes
or maybe his parents told him to go to sleep
 
why do i have dishonoerd soundtrack on my mind
 
Dammit. New question on meta, and it isn't the troll. What a letdown...
 
first days of speing and i caught a cold
fucks sake
WHEY HEY AND UP SHE RISES
 
10:05 PM
TIL SVG rendering is broken in Chrome when zoom is on
 
> speing
 
cc @ThePhD
@ThePhD i did go thgrough blighttown though
didn't try the boss ye
 
user142019
> import "http": cannot find package
 
user142019
Fuck you Go. It's a standard package.
 
user142019
Oh "net/http".
 
user142019
10:08 PM
I'm a fucking idiot.
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well theres your problem
"import"
 
i have a ape class tomorrow at 8 jesu
 
@CatPlusPlus You so weak.
 
@CatPlusPlus the ape is teaching?
 
10:09 PM
I used to get drunk every thursday evening and then go to class at 8:30 on friday morning.
Those were the good days.
When people tell me university sucks, I never really understand.
I had plenty of fun at university.
 
hmmm
endless possibilities
 
university is a strange substitution for college
 
@Drise In Quebec, "college" and "university" are two different things.
 
^ This
 
Well, same in the states
But we still say college life
or college sucks.
Or college coeds
 
10:13 PM
The "feel" is different, here.
 
but you wouldnt say university coeds would you?
 
Not in English, no.
 
@CatPlusPlus WTFFFF
 
Everyone in Dark's Souls has gone MAD.
 
10:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel what is the difference in quebec?
 
Dammit, another meta post update, and no troll...
I'm sad...
 
ITT Mysticial feeds on troll posts
 
@Borgleader he needs more screenies
 
@JustinMeiners "College" is how we usually translate CÉGEP, which offer two or three year degrees and are prerequisites to entering university. Most people start their CÉGEP at 17 or 18.
 
10:16 PM
They probably just banned the troll's email address.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, well in the states, we go from highschool straight to 4 year university
 
It takes time to get a new email.
Even if he has infinite ip addresses.
 
@Drise And thats why we said it's not the same here :P
 
@Drise 'round here, once you did your 2 or 3 year, you then get to do 3 or 4 years of university work.
 
@EtiennedeMartel fuck that shit
 
10:17 PM
Also our highschool is 1 year shorter
 
You don't have to, however: 3 year CÉGEP degrees are known as "technical", and can lead to a job, while 2 year degrees are "pre-universitary" and lead only to university.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That system actually makes sense. :O
 
Incidentally, people in universities are older and therefore party harder.
 
@EtiennedeMartel job as in good job or?
 
@Drise I could have gotten a 35k/year programming job with my CS technical degree, but I elected to go to university to get something better.
 
10:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel 35k usd?
 
@Drise CAD.
 
so, 50k usd?
 
@Drise Both are pretty much equivalent right now, but since cost of living is lower here...
 
Right now, i'm an intern working for 16USD/hour and last yeah I net-ted 20k
and I have no degree, just highschool
 
That's pretty good.
 
10:21 PM
Gov'ment took 22%
 
TBH I wish people were smarter with how they housed themselves in the states.
You can save so much money if you just move in as a "Family" together with other people all in one roof.
 
@ThePhD huh?
Oh, yea
 
It works out especially well if you have lots of children.
 
I have two roommates and we pay 275each for a 3 bedroom
 
@Drise Taxes are higher here.
 
10:22 PM
The cost of rent can easily be absorbed by 4/5 adults.
Even with 3, you can make some serious bank.
The problem is, finding people who aren't assholes to make the plan with.
In my case, I have 8 brothers and sisters.
 
@ThePhD even if they arent assholes to start with, they can become them, trust me
 
So I can just rely on them. :D
But, most of them want to have their own lives now.
 
@Drise Not if you punch them in the throat.
 
> Players with video cards that use software vertex shaders (primarily integrated cards like those in laptops) should see a 10-40% FPS performance improvement across all maps
what.
 
The upper four have moved out. =[
 
10:24 PM
who the hell uses software vertex shaders these days
 
@BartekBanachewicz A lot of people on laptops, really.
 
Intel HD series have normal shading units
 
Friendship or anything ending with ship will end. Therefore there's nobody you can really trust enough to live with.
 
so it would be integrated old intel gpus in chipsets :/
and via and whatnot
 
@Jueecy.new With that kind of attitude...
 
10:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel 35k sounds horrible
 
@Jueecy.new Friendship is magic.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You have a serious problem with anyone with a negative attitude, huh? :P
 
@JustinMeiners Not around here.
@ThePhD Yeah.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, until it ends.
as well as love
 
Loveship.
 
10:26 PM
@Jueecy.new It never ends.
NEVER.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think 35k (USD) is the average of all working people, anyone out of school with a CS would start at at least 60k
 
Etienne deStalker.
 
@JustinMeiners Maybe in the US.
 
in US
yeah
 
As I said, cost of living is lower here.
You don't spend as much, so you don't need as much.
 
10:26 PM
@JustinMeiners us min wage worker 40 hours a week doesnt make 35k
 
@Drise yeah - average
of all working people
 
@JustinMeiners missed that qualifier
 
When all of my brothers and sisters get great jobs,
I'm going to build a mansion.
 
@EtiennedeMartel aren't taxes higher there?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't misunderstand me, I'm really open to people. It's just that everybody changes a little bit everyday, and it's just a matter of time before one changes too much to be bearable.
 
10:27 PM
And we'll split the cost 8 ways.
 
erp
aha
 
Not even a mansion will cost that much when split 8 ways. <3
And since I'm not planning on making 200,000 USD little devils people like to call children,
 
Whats the average tax?
 
I'll have plenty of excess cash.
 
It's ... logic.
@ThePhD You can give it to me if you don't have enough room :)
 
10:28 PM
@JustinMeiners So?
 
The taxes are higher but the government covers a lot more.
 
Free healthcare baby!
Woooo!
 
So in essence, you as the individual are net-gaining a lot of money over a longer period of time.
 
lol you get what you pay for
 
For a small, short-term smash to your paycheck.
I wish America would adopt the same kind of attitude,
at least for healthcare,
but nope.
There are already megabillions being made off of healthcare in the U.S.
 
10:30 PM
@ThePhD are you in the states?
 
@JustinMeiners so that's why the US has one of the world's most expensive health care systems while not being anywhere near the best quality? Yeah... you get what you pay for. Except when you get less than what you paid for. (And occasionally, you might get more than you paid for. So overall, it seems kind of silly to say that you get what you pay for)
 
Private sector is much less effective at keeping administrative costs low.
 
@JustinMeiners Yeah
 
@EtiennedeMartel that is bull crap
 
@JustinMeiners No. Look it up.
 
10:31 PM
Our healthcare is fucked up, but the republicans are dickheads
 
@JustinMeiners Perhaps you could support that claim with some facts?
 
I gave up rooting for the repuiblicans ages ago
 
Like, numbers and things
statistics
 
Everybody knows that the US healthcare system is fucked up.
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10:32 PM
I think a bit more than a third of my pay goes in taxes. But I don't care. I still have more than I need to live comfortably.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's not even that. They reserve the right to charge whatever they feel like. The government can't do that: they get scrutinized.
 
@Mysticial s/healthcare system// ;)
 
Our heathcare budget is more than our entire fucking GDP. How can you possibly not go in to deficit spending like that?
 
@Mysticial Everyone except people who refuse to know it. :)
 
The important thing is not how much you pay, it's how much you have left afterwards.
 
10:32 PM
im crying tears
 
@JustinMeiners ... because you're unable to back up your position with facts?
 
I made 26k, and was left with 20k
 
yeah, that's sad
 
the US healthcare is definetly in bad shape
 
@EtiennedeMartel The worse thing is people complain about Taxes, but the way it works in Canada is much like this: lose 33% of your paycheck to Taxes, have 66% left over to spend on whatever teh fuck you want.
 
10:33 PM
but government takeover is not the answer
 
@JustinMeiners why not?
 
In the U.S., it's like this:
 
@Mysticial most healthcare systems are fucked up, lots of regulations + paying with tax money is almost a guarantee that the result will be insanely overpriced
 
Because you don't want it to be the answer, or because you have evidence that it would make it worse?
 
@JustinMeiners It works well elsewhere in the world. Stop looking only at your own navel.
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Also, I think the whole concept of private healthcare is weird. I mean, a healthcare service provider technically has to keep people sick and/or injured to stay profitable.
 
10:33 PM
@JohanLarsson How come most state-run systems are less insanely overpriced?
 
I think the swizz healthcare system is okish but don't know that much about it
 
And sure, competition and all, but it's still weird.
 
@jalf you pay for it in taxes - he just said he pays a third in taxes
I don't pay a third in taxes + healthcare
 
@jalf how do you mean?
 
@JustinMeiners ....
trolling or just stupid=?
 
10:34 PM
Lose 20~25% to Taxes, lose 20% more to the private healthcare you're required to have, lose 5% more to the property taxes you must pay, lose another 10% for that health emergency you just had, lost another chunk for paying for that life insurance, lose....
 
the latter
 
@JustinMeiners As I said, I don't care. I can afford it.
 
@JustinMeiners A third of his income does not go to health care, you realize?
 
lol. mysql2 (the most awesome gem for ruby) doesn't even support prepared statements. How am I going to code something without parametrized queries? eh?
 
@jalf I realize thats why I said I dont pay a third of my income in taxes and healthcare
 
10:35 PM
It goes on and on.
 
see the two added together
healthcare still costs money its just in taxes
 
@JustinMeiners And you don't get the same benefits either. So how does this prove your claim that letting the state run the health care system would be a bad idea?
 
@JustinMeiners So, what's the matter?
 
@JustinMeiners Wow, you have successfully proven that two unrelated numbers are greater than a third unrelated number
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why should how good my healthcare is be subject to economics?
 
10:35 PM
you still have to pay for it either way, when it is not government you have choice
when it is government they decide what you get
 
@ThePhD Sales tax
 
@JustinMeiners Who gives a fuck about choice, if having choice means all the options are overpriced?
 
@Drise Canada has sales tax too, IIRC?
 
user142019
server.ListenAndServe() this sounds like a master/slave architecture.
 
ha
 
10:36 PM
@ThePhD Yeah. In Quebec we even have two sales taxes.
 
who gives a fuck about choice??? trolling/
I hpoe
 
I see we have our jalf back. Good thing other thing is over...
 
@EtiennedeMartel We have state and federal sales tax
 
@JustinMeiners Once again, you have choice, and the result is that all your options are grossly overpriced and low quality. He does not have choice, but what he does have is both cheaper and higher quality
Why the fuck would he care about "choice" then?
 
@jalf if you pay for it cash - but you can choose where to go, isnt that better than paying in your taxes and having no choice?
 
10:37 PM
@Drise How much? Here it's 5% for the federal tax and 9.975% for the provincial tax.
 
it still has to be paid
 
Yea, I'm going to go home now
 
@JustinMeiners Once again, it would be nice if you had choice and one of your options was worth choosing
but it isn't
 
@JustinMeiners I want only one choice: the best one.
 
private is better
 
10:37 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Mines 8% total
 
the end
 
We're talking about health here.
 
private is always better - choice and freedom win every time
 
Once again, show us some evidence. Show us studies, statistics, numbers indicating that US health care, with all its choice, is better
 
I don't want market segmentation.
 
10:38 PM
@JustinMeiners yay go murica
:)
 
@JustinMeiners always? Even when the evidence shows otherwise?
 
@JustinMeiners It's our facts versus your faith.
 
@jalf I told you already, TAXES = paying for expensive thing PRIVAtE = paying for expensive thing, PRIVATE = CHOICE = TAXES = NO CHOICE PRIVATE > TAXES
 
@JustinMeiners is there a free market anywhere? Imo the free market is a myth
 
10:39 PM
It seems the states have a range from 5 -~9%
 
@JohanLarsson I agree every country is a mixed economy
 
@JustinMeiners ALl you have told me already is that you're ignorant and treat a market ideology as a fucking religion
Once again, try some fucking evidence
If private is always better then you must be able to show us numbers
 
I'm going take my leave now, good bye folks
 
@Drise In Quebec, it's about 14.975%.
 
@jalf your retarted.. you have to pay for it either in taxes, or out of pocket right?
right? or with government is magicked away
 
10:40 PM
@JustinMeiners I am asking HOW MUCH you pay
 
@JustinMeiners FREEEEDOOOOOM.
Seriously. That's all you're saying.
 
@JustinMeiners the mixed is often the worst possible situation, regulations + tax money is a huge issue imo
 
I am aware that "socalized" health care costs money. I am trying to point out that the AMOUNT of money it costs is not necessarily the same
 
ok now we look. My taxes = 12% + healthcare = 17%, etieene taxes = 33%
his healthcare is in that tax
see?
 
and that if you are going to make the claim that privatized health care is always better, then you must have some numbers to back it up
 
10:41 PM
@JustinMeiners So?
 
@JustinMeiners ....
 
he is paying more for a worse benefit
@jalf your not looking?
 
@JustinMeiners It's not worse.
 
@JustinMeiners First
How do you determine that it is worse?
second
how do you determine that more than 17% of his income goes to health care?
 
I don't want choice, I just want the best service available.
 
10:41 PM
you arent reading - that is mine I pay 5% of my income in healthcare
+ my 12 % taxes
= the same if not better benefit
 
Choice over quality
 
than his 33%
 
@JustinMeiners So, how do you determine that more than 5% of his income goes to health care?
 
you suck
 
@jalf mine retard
 
10:42 PM
And how do you determine that you get "the same if not better benefit?
 
so I have more choice, more quality, and it is cheaper
 
Really, with the intelligence you're showing, it's no fucking wonder your health care system is such a rip-off
 
@JustinMeiners How do you judge that the quality is better?
 
@jalf ok im out your not reading
 
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT NUMBERS ARE?
@JustinMeiners I am reading
 
10:43 PM
DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
 
@jalf I guess you dont
 
The government has a shitton more money to put on that than any private corporation. That means better service.
 
health care isn't just about numbers
 
@JustinMeiners Once again, I have asked you two simple questions
 
@TonyTheLion lol
im out
your not listening
 
10:43 PM
@JustinMeiners FIRST, what evidence do you have that the health care you get is higher quality than what he gets?
 
@jalf would you kindly shut it
 
@ScottW I think true free markets could solve a lot of problems, don't think we will see anything close to that anytime soon though
 
@Johann No, but I will kindly ignore you
 
Germany could use a free market
and China
 
@Johann They already have a free market.
 
10:44 PM
@JustinMeiners SECOND, you have established that you pay 5% of your income towards health care. In order to show that your health care is cheaper, it would be reasonable to expect you to establish that @EtiennedeMartel pays more than 5% of his income towards health care.
 
The freer the market, the higher the inequalities, anyway.
 
'free market' is relative. a free-r market if you will
 
Any market needs rules and limitations.
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@EtiennedeMartel there will always be inequality. Don't be a Marxist. derp
 
@Johann I hate that kind of attitude.
 
10:45 PM
@EtiennedeMartel true
 
@ScottW agree on the not realistic and never happen part and hence not very interesting other than as a theoty
 
@EtiennedeMartel so you are a Marxist?
 
"It will never be perfect, so I won't even try"
@Johann I'm a Keynesian.
 
What the fuck is going on?
 
@JustinMeiners or, of course, you could do as you're doing now, and show that you aren't listening, aren't thinking, and aren't able to back up your fanatical belief with anything approaching evidence.
 
10:46 PM
@TonyTheLion politics is going on ;)
 
oh fuck sake
 
THIS IS RELATED TO C++ GUYS
 
is there a similar but updated/recent column as guru of the week
 
no one fucking cares if its related to C++
 
@ScottW Libertarians assume that every human is capable of being perfectly rational when it comes to money decisions, which is interesting because if it was true there would be no marketing industry.
 
10:47 PM
@TonyTheLion you don't say ;)
 
I did say :)
 
@ScottW Those who do are usually well off.
I've never seen anyone with their face in the shit say that a freer market is a good thing.
Because that would mean getting fucked even harder in the ass.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Some Americans would say that. Whether or not they're right is a different matter
 
@jalf That baffles me every time.
 
but as you've just seen, to a lot of Americans it is practically a matter of faith
 
10:48 PM
It's like those poor people who vote for the Reps.
 
and.. they get upset if you ask them to bring facts into the discussion
 
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random weirdness
 
@jalf I wouldn't generalize.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Neither would I, but it is pervasive.
 
I guess to some it might be clinging to a form of hope. That if a free market is the solution, if all they have to do is work hard, then that gives them a way out. If they instead had to wait for their government to get their act together and improve their situation, then they'll be waiting around until hell freezes over
 
10:50 PM
probably
 
@Johann what is wrong with Marx? He and Adam Smith are still relevant centuries after their deaths.
 
American politics is pretty fucked up
 
For example, that guy is saying he only spends 5% of his income on healthcare. What he forgot to mention is how much of that healthcare is actually covered by that 5%. IIRC, in Canada, you can break limbs, get slashed up, and even lose a finger or two, and you won't be charged for it.
 
@JohanLarsson Unfortunately.
 
If you try that in America, you'll be charged an arm and a leg.
 
10:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not saying all Americans are like that. Plenty have a much more nuanced approach. Just that "a lot" think like that. (And a lot isn't necessarily a majority)
 
@ThePhD Indeed.
 
@ThePhD I don't believe you'll be charged for breaking a limb in the US either ;)
 
@EtiennedeMartel how do you mean?
 
You only have to pay if you seek treatment afterwards ;)
 
@JohanLarsson I mean, it would be great if Marx stopped being right.
 
10:51 PM
@jalf Casts are cheap.
Therapy to make sure your leg doesn't go out on you and the nerves are still kicking is expensive.
 
@ScottW those are surprisingly expensive
 
There's also basic Dentistry, Mental Health, and other things that America would not cover unless you paid an exorbitant amount of money for, or were part of a Company Health plan.
 
@EtiennedeMartel is education free over there, btw?
 
@jalf Depends.
 
10:53 PM
how much does 24h for one patient in a hospital cost?
 
Have you heard about the Printemps Érable?
 
@EtiennedeMartel nope
 
The funny thing is, people say how great the Free market Healthcare system is, even when Companies - the very embodiment of free market - pool the money of their employees to afford a general healthcare system that all employees receive as benefits.
 
@JohanLarsson afaik in Europe a few hundred Euros max
depends of course
 
Why we can't extend those benefits to the entire country and do away with the clear disparities in treatment is absurd.
 
10:54 PM
@TonyTheLion I think it varies a lot
 
It would also take the burden of formal health plans off the Company's back, because all of that stuff would be covered by the government intrinsically.
 
yea well, I'm no expert. I'm speaking from little knowledge I have
 
@jalf About a year ago, the government tried to increase university level tuition by 75%, or 1625$ per year.
 
Oh right, that sounds familiar
 
It led to a shit load of student protests, all across Quebec.
 
10:55 PM
Yeah, I remember hearing about that
 
So. College education is pretty cheap, roughly 150$ per semester. University education costs about ten times more.
 
@jalf IIRC, if you go to the Hospital and get your broken leg mended / casted, you will be charged for teh Hospital Visit alone.
It might not be extremely expensive, but it'll punch a hole in your paycheck.
 
@ScottW I was in there.
 
@ThePhD yes, but not for breaking the leg. You can do that for free, anywhere in the world, was my point. ;)
 
Ooh.
It was a joke...
 
10:57 PM
yes
 
.... Wooooooosh, there it goes, over my heeeead~
 
wheeeeeee!
 
I was looking into going to college in the US once, they wanted foreign students to have at least $16k available for living and tuition fees
 
@TonyTheLion And those are the cheap ones.
 
user142019
Hurray! It works!
 
10:58 PM
@ThePhD yep
 
user142019
Still don't quite understand Go's package stuff though.
 
The college I attend now is 41K+ a year.
 
During the protests, supporters of the raise were quick to say that even with the increase, tuition in Quebec would still be cheaper than in the rest of Canada, or in the US.
 
(They forgot to mention that it's still much more expensive than in Europe)
 
Ell
10:58 PM
Bleugh, go doesn't have exceptions!
 
@ScottW Scholarships.
 
hmm, I pay about a third of my income in taxes too, but we get free education (well, negative cost, actually, in that we get some money each month while studying), plus health care etc.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Uni in the UK is also expensive
 
@ScottW Nowhere at the moment, I'm on medical leave.
 
@jalf Sweden?
 
10:59 PM
@ScottW Smiley faces.
 
I guess the difference comes in if you earn significantly more than me. Our tax rate is only really exceptionally high for the rich
@JohanLarsson Close. Denmark
 

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