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12:00 PM
Everyone's an idiot
 
@CatPlusPlus there's degrees of idiotism
 
user784668
Except the puppy.
 
user784668
He's perfect.
 
Okay everyone's an idiot, let's get drunk
 
I'm for that too
 
12:00 PM
@Fanael in his own idiotic way :P
 
@kbok crap name clashes with state aren't helping
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Offcourse, but the problem I am facing is solved with c++ code. And they are better at the theory behind c++ then I am.
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion like, a perfect idiot?
 
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@Fanael lol
 
12:01 PM
It's gonna be boring for the puppy then - he's going to be the only one in the Lounge in gallery mode.
 
There's little theory behind C++
It's all duct tape
 
@TonyTheLion I don't mind it.
 
6 : 6
 
Okay ahead of time, just in case, who's not on the write list
 
@CatPlusPlus well, at least duct tape has good uses then
 
12:03 PM
The theory behind C++ is that C sucks
 
ahaha
 
For reference, the write list is here: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/10/loungec?tab=access. If you're not on here, speak now or forever remain silent until you annoy all owners with a plink for access.
 
So badly that they used it as a base
 
I don't see myself on the list
 
Im not on that list
 
Xeo
12:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the only thing I'm fearing - getting ALL the plinks for access...
 
We'll know soon enough.
 
That's why we're doing this beforehand
 
@Xeo that will be for the first hour or so, then it'll quieten down
 
To limit the plinks
 
Xeo
Yeah, but I mean from helpvampires. But we'll see
 
12:05 PM
@TonyTheLion 1:1 FTFY
 
@Xeo whatever, small problem
compared to having to deal with their trolling
 
Xeo
ya
 
@Shafik @Cheiron fixed.
 
0
Q: Is something like "for(i=1;i<=10;printf("%d\n";i),i++) valid and UB-free in C?

Sheer FishAre the following two code blocks exactly the same and achieve the same thing?It displays the same thing when I run the program,but I would appreciate some rigorous explanation. for(i=1;i<=10;i++) { printf("%d\n",i); } and for(i=1;i<=10;printf("%d\n",i),i++); The for loop expects valid C st...

^^ eww...
 
Maybe admins will finally recognise the problem and make the system better (ahahaha right)
 
12:06 PM
are we going private?
 
keep dreaming Cat
 
@thecoshman Just a trial run for now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thank you
 
@thecoshman yes we're privatising, fuck public companies
lol
 
If it works out, we'll probably stay that way.
 
12:07 PM
@Mysticial Ugh, that's the kind of stuff for which I only read the title.
 
@TonyTheLion oh you
 
@Mysticial ¬_¬ I don't like the idea...
 
user784668
Where do I sign up for write access?
 
Its a lounge. what is the point of private?
 
12:07 PM
@Fanael .
 
@TonyTheLion I vote no
 
@Fanael Congratulations you just sold your soul
 
@Fanael added you
 
Ahaha
 
@thecoshman whatever, only room owners have a say in this
 
12:08 PM
We need locks
There are concurrency issues here
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I'm a flower, I have no soul.
 
There are?
 
Er.. if you're gonna do this, could [whoever] please put me on the list, (the white one:).
 
12:09 PM
 
user784668
@MartinJames you can't have twice the write access
 
@MartinJames that's racist!
 
Thanks - saves plinking later..
 
12 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
@Johann The name of the room is Lounge<C++>. Notice the order. Lounge first, C++ second.
 
12:10 PM
and?
 
What does that have to do with anything?
 
That's relevant?
 
@thecoshman Oh great - now I'm moved to the bl.. . banned list for racist comments :(
 
Did I miss anything?
 
Not yet possibly maybe
 
12:11 PM
This is a nice place because it is public, because random new people can join in. Yes that does mean we have to put up with the occasional cock monkey, but being a free open place it worth that.
 
We're going to be letting everyone in
 
And to what is this a knew jerk reaction to?
 
everyone except cocks
@thecoshman to cocks
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Trolls and help vampires.
 
user784668
@thecoshman to @Telkitty
 
12:12 PM
I wouldn't call it 'knee jerk'. This has been going on for a while. (By which I mean discussing and debating how to handle low-quality chatters.)
 
If anyone is mighty annoying and can't take a hint, then instead of coordinating flagging, we'll just remove their access
 
this ^
 
Chatting is a privilege, not a right
 
The problem is that we don't have the tools we actually need.
so it's basically the least awful thing
 
@thecoshman Ideally, the only difference will be that we don't have to put with the occasional cock monkey. Anyway, that's why it's just a trial.
 
12:14 PM
@DeadMG Yo don't link that to my message.
 
why not
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes based on how badly some people make use of the bin, I can this becoming terrible very fast
 
@thecoshman now you're being a nitwit
 
can I ask a small doubt here?
 
@Sunny you just did
 
12:15 PM
here we go, cockery
 
@thecoshman
 
user784668
@Sunny TIAS
 
that was not a doubt
TIAS?
 
that was a doubt.
 
Godammit, either ask it or don't.
 
12:16 PM
@Sunny Sunny, ask on Stack Overflow
 
@Sunny yes it was, you where not sure if you could ask or not
 
:D
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion what the hell is Stack Overflow?
 
A MOTD prompt would be useful too
With 15 second timeout or something
 
asking on SO will lead to it being closed
 
12:16 PM
lots of things would be useful
 
@Sunny then don't ask anywhere
 
Then it's a bad question and you shouldn't ask it here either
 
@Sunny just fucking ask already
stop twatting around
 
@Sunny Just ask. If we're not interested, we'll either remove it, or just ignore it.
 
or deny you accesss
 
12:17 PM
@Mysticial ¬_¬ preferably the later
 
@Fanael Oh - like those U**x thingies. OK.
 
user784668
@Sunny why?
 
@Sunny Erm, why?
 
@Sunny oh gawd why... use .size()
 
@Mysticial Binmaster reporting for duty.
 
user784668
12:18 PM
@MartinJames message OTD
 
@TonyTheLion Erm, no?
 
beacuse i have few more operations in the same loop, and i just want.
 
any way, moving on to non boring things, Any you RP'ers played Rogue Trader?
@DeadMG ಠ_ಠ
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
 
@Sunny X/Y problem, and "just want" is not a reasonable reason
 
12:18 PM
@DeadMG lol
 
user784668
@MartinJames I want snooker updates, though.
 
like for(int i=0; i<=s.size(); ++i) cout<<s[i]<<" ";
 
@Sunny The solution to all self-inflicted problems is to stop inflicting the problem upon yourself.
2
Banging your head against the wall will hurt, and the solution is to stop banging your head against the wall, not to take the wall down.
 
@Sunny Sets don't work like that.
 
@Sunny just use iterators in the first place. Do not try to shoe horn a really bad solution into another bad solution
 
12:19 PM
@Sunny no.
 
@Fanael Oh - like those U**x thingies. OK.
 
why is it that vectors work like that but sets dont? i want to know the mechanism
 
@thecoshman Nope. Never actually heard of it.
 
@DeadMG Curious, what tools would help fix the problem?
 
@Sunny Because theyre totally different containers
 
12:20 PM
@Sunny vectors are like an array of sequential data, sets are more like a bucket of data
 
@Sunny Because they are not the same thing? Vectors provide iterators, and that's what they have in common.
 
What's happened to my chat/lougne connection?? Shit - rebooting...
 
@Borgleader no shit
 
Xeo
@ShafikYaghmour Letting us ban individual users from this room.
 
@Sunny Vectors are sequence containers, sets are not.
 
12:21 PM
Thanks. is it an associative container?
 
@Xeo only if those with the power to use them did so with restraint ¬_¬ unlike some
 
@thecoshman Well his question was why is an orange not like an apple, well theyre both fruits but totally different. Obvious question, obvious answer
 
@Xeo SO does not want to provide that tool or it is just not a priority?
 
user784668
@MartinJames a bug in the Matrix
 
@Borgleader but how are they different?
 
12:21 PM
@Sunny Technically, yes, though it is a bit weird since the associations are not explicit.
 
@thecoshman who are you so afraid of?
 
@ShafikYaghmour Ideally, I'd like a per-user ban.
 
@Sunny yes
 
@TonyTheLion 'binmaster'
 
Sets are associative containers of keys to values of the unit type.
 
user784668
12:21 PM
@Sunny yes, the key is T, the value is a unit type
 
@thecoshman i was gonna cover that, but the robot did
 
but I didn't think it was a big secret that I think puppy is trigger happy
 
@thecoshman oh :( he's a puppy
 
thanks a lot.
 
@thecoshman we'll keep him in check
 
12:22 PM
@TonyTheLion oh well then, that's different, just let anarchy rain, he's a puppy
@TonyTheLion just like you do with moving thigns to the bin?
 
Is anarchy liquid?
 
@thecoshman you misinterpreted my message
 
great job guys
 
and thank you for suggesting oranges and apples. i was feeling hungry anyway :D
 
@thecoshman afaik, he hasn't binned anything non-bin qualified
 
12:23 PM
aaaaa!!!
 
but I'm not always here
 
@TonyTheLion I interpreted it as 'he is him, let him do it'
 
@kbok [Testing completed. All tests passed (18 assertions in 10 test cases)]
 
@BartekBanachewicz bbbbb!!!!
 
I am victory
 
12:23 PM
@thecoshman ah I see
 
@TonyTheLion any sign of any question is straight to the bin, even if people are talking about it
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz and your test coverage is 10%
 
@thecoshman erm...
 
@Fanael It's around 85% now. We don't have many functions yet :)
 
I didn't name myself the Binmaster, other people did
 
12:24 PM
@thecoshman I called him out on that before and he reasonably admitted it was precocious.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't follow
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't even know what precocious means.
 
TIL precocious is a word
 
@Xeo hah bracket :P
 
12:25 PM
¬_¬ I read it as 'precious' first time
 
@DeadMG Premature.
 
A definition of 'precocious' cannot come too early.
 
@Xeo return function_invoker<Ret, Args...>()(func_, params, state);
 
user784668
Precocious optimization.
 
12:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz kewl. push?
 
Xeo
@Borgleader That's intended.
 
@kbok doing right now
 
@Xeo doesnt make it less funny
 
Xeo
Sorry, Gentlemen.
I think no-one is listening to what I am saying.
Gawd
 
@Xeo no-one is a good guy, always willing to listen till the end
 
Xeo
12:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Make it invoke<Ret(Args...)>(func_, params, state) :D
 
so any way, can we talk about non boring stuff now?
 
@thecoshman I mean that while he makes mistakes, he can admit them when people point them out.
@Xeo Oh gawd.
> When you convert to an array you may choose NFD, NFC, NFKD and NFKC, or just ASCII, or whatever you like.
Oh FFS
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahahahahah
 
"You may choose manual or automatic transmission, or just diesel, or whatever you like."
 
@Xeo I am partially specializing it so I dunno about it
 
12:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have done once or twice (pointed out my objections to him). Still, just admitting it is not that it, would be nice to see a change.
 
Xeo
You can still prettify the calling syntax
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lolwut?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So... you get more people that have no clue chiming in because people that have an inkling of a clue daren't touch the discussion or what?
 
Whoever thought that writing tests could be so hard
 
@BartekBanachewicz though it should be invoke(func_, params, state);
 
12:29 PM
@TonyTheLion did you test how hard it would be to write the tests?
 
Xeo
template<class Sig, class F, class P, class S> auto invoke(F&& f, P&& params, S&& state){ return function_invoker<Sig>(f, params, state); }
 
@LucDanton Hmm, who are you talking about?
 
Xeo
With compiling code, of course.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry, impersonal 'you'.
 
@thecoshman I'm trying to write some tests, and proves to be fricking hard
 
12:30 PM
@kbok I don't know, this one is clear at least. Well comment on it
 
@LucDanton Well, that nonsense came as a reply to something I said.
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion don't bother with tests, write proofs instead
 
Also I am the stream commit behind
I have to merge this
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure.
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ cout<<"All tests passed"
 
Xeo
12:30 PM
> GB18030 has more coding points (1,587,600) than Unicode, but not all of them used.
 
@LucDanton I have tried to stay away from the native_text vs text discussion, but I have chimed in more than once in the other aspects.
It does not help anyway.
 
user784668
GB18030 is a Unicode transformation format where code points are assigned at random.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The term Unicode was chosen for the standard's ability to Universally Confuse the fuck out of people
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so any way, moving on from boring stuff... you played Rogue Trader
 
@thecoshman Did I say that? Sorry. If I did, it was a terrible mistake.
 
12:33 PM
How can I rebase my changes if my branch is behind?
 
13 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@thecoshman Nope. Never actually heard of it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sorry, 'do you...'
 
I switched to master, but now I don't really know how to tell it to get my changes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, I missed that :P
 
oh there's merge button
 
12:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's one of the 40K RP games, from fantasy flight
 
@thecoshman FWIW, with all my playgroups I only actually tried about four or five different games.
We did look into a bunch of others, but only tried the ones that sounded most fun.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you GM?
 
Boulder falls, everyone dies
 
@thecoshman I used to, but no playgroup these days. I might go back to it if I find someone interested in playing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes any good advice for a first time GM with first time players?
 
12:37 PM
Have fun
 
to be fair... you can give me any advice, as long as you qualify if it is good or bad
 
@thecoshman Have you played before? How well do you know your players?
 
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ Holmes
 
No, really, that's the most important thing
 
FWIW, when we started, we were all noobs, including me as the GM.
 
12:38 PM
Don't let rules or whatever get in the way
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes know the players well, but we've never done RPing before
@CatPlusPlus aye, got that one in the bag
 
Don't kill everyone in the first session :v:
 
if getting together frequently is not that easy, is it worth trying to keep the characters going over each play session, which could be like three months apart?
 
@kbok I think I succeeded with merging master back.
 
Xeo
12:40 PM
@thecoshman Yes
 
Disclaimer I don't play but
You can build characters and the team this way
 
@CatPlusPlus no, but I also don't want the players to feel they can't die because they are players. Not going to try to kill them, but not going to let stupid things happen just to keep them alive
 
There's storytelling opportunities
 
@thecoshman It's not as fun otherwise.
 
@Xeo I take it I should try to avoid story arks going over such time jumps though, to make it easier to pick up again
 
12:41 PM
And players will also get better at playing that character
Get to know them better
If you just throw characters away and reroll them every time, then there's not much incentive to not do stupid things that end up with you being dead
 
user784668
I like doing stupid things and then trying not to end up being dead.
 
Xeo
When my first campaign ended with a TPK, I struggled until the end to try and find a way out of it - I didn't want to lose my character. :(
 
I gotta say
permanent character death doesn't sound appealing
 
@DeadMG Cheap respawns take away some of the fun.
 
hmm
 
12:44 PM
@Xeo TPK?
 
I agree with that, but I also think that you don't want to lose everything on a couple of bad rolls
 
@DeadMG Well, with a good GM you won't.
 
Xeo
If the GM is good, he doesn't let your character die necessarily - unless you were asking for it
 
maybe DnD3.5e is just better at not having "Pass this saving throw or you die" spells.
 
Xeo
@kbok Total Party Kill
 
12:45 PM
You can use less rule-heavy system
 
or perhaps it's just not that bad to die if you're actually playing in a party :P
 
RESURRECT RESURRECT RESURRECT
 
Xeo
And even if your character "dies", depending on the form of death, you can be resurrected
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
Xeo
For example, when you were stupid enough to go into a closed-off room together with a medusa.
 
12:47 PM
@Xeo yeah, but I don't want the players to think that they can do what ever, and some how they will survive
 
That 10 minute casting time
 
@DeadMG It depends on the death as well. Some of our best moments involved some player character's death.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I liked that one story I read - A barbarian, with undying rage (?), who remembered "use your brain!" and threw his brain to kill someone and win, basically.
 
@Xeo suicide? manly ripping off of ones own head? brutal...
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Nah, his skull was already cracked open
 
12:49 PM
@Xeo still, through his own brain :P
threw?
 
Xeo
ya
 
Would you even be able to do that before collapsing?
 
Xeo
With undying rage (?), it didn't bother him much - until that ran out.
 
I think the final thought of "okay, now throw it.." wouldn't transfer to the body...
 
Xeo
12:50 PM
Fuck LoL
 
(related)
In this case it's a not-able-to-die berserk
 
Xeo
Ya, that's basically it
Can't die as long as it's active
and you will live as long as you're healed to atleast 0 HP before it ends
 
He's vulnerable but he can't go lower than 1HP
 
@Xeo surely you need atleast one hitpoint
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Nope
You're just unconcious as 0 HP
-10 kills
IIRC
 
12:52 PM
@Xeo what
 
Xeo
Robot will know better.
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
That's like in M&M
 
Xeo
Well, with D&D 3.5 anyways
 
And if you take damage that would take you under -10 hp?
 
12:52 PM
oh Tryndamere.
 
but yeah, it isn't DnD that I a looking at. It be sci-fi
 
@Neil depends really.
 
I mean while you're still alive
 
Xeo
Well, read the rulebook for basic stuff
 
-20 kills and -40 kills and leave no body to resurrect :p
 
Xeo
12:53 PM
@Neil You still live with undying rage
 
also you can be instakilled by something :P
like lvl1 player eaten by dragon
 
anyone know how to count bipartite graphs
 
@DoubleBass 42
 
@Xeo There's sort of a contradiction here though.. if you can't die, then either you're alive for supernatural reasons (you're a zombie)
 
Xeo
And some things can't be killed at all
 
12:54 PM
Or you can't die because they can't hurt you
 
:9121519 ಠ_ಠ
 
Xeo
Like the Tarrasque
 
I believe that Tony has clearly stated the relevant rule.
 
user1357851
wtf you said you plonked me?
 
binmaster is on duty
 
12:55 PM
1) Having fun overrides all rules. Fuck it if the rules say whatever. If something makes the game more fun, more fun it is.
2) Not everyone derives fun from the same aspects of the game: make sure you understand what each player likes and try to catter for everyone (probably the hardest part of it all).
3) Make it clear from the start that rules lawyering is not in anyone's interest. Don't be afraid to just wing it and look up the rules later. Make sure everyone understands that your word is final. Less rules lookup/lawyering makes combat run smoother and faster, and that makes it fun inste
 
@Telkitty hwo does that excuse posting spammy shit like that?
 
@Neil You evaporate
That hitpoint thing depends on the ruleset
D&D is not be-all-end-all of RPGs you know
 
user1357851
@thecoshman it's called telkitty experiment #2592: de ascii rose
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks man
@R.MartinhoFernandes you think it's worth trying to record much of what the players...well characters do?
@Telkitty aka shit
 
Xeo
26
Q: Biggest GM pitfalls for new GMs?

LeguRiWhat are the biggest/most common GM pitfalls (or mistakes) for new GMs? One pitfall per answer, please!

Might be interesting
 
user1357851
12:57 PM
the rubbish collectors are sure trying to beat each other at garbage collection speed
 
@thecoshman Well if you film it
If you're going to be writing everything down then it'll just be slow as fuck
 
@Xeo rule 34x, for everything, there is a stackexchange for it
@CatPlusPlus well not EVERYTHING
 
Keep track of numbers that matter
 
user784668
@thecoshman porn.stackexchange.com?
 
user1357851
I wonder what happens when two garbage collectors trying to collect the same post at the same time - would lounge crash due on racing condition?
 
12:59 PM
@Telkitty he lounge imposes a lock system
 
user1357851
Oo ... should have thought of that :/
 

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