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Xeo
9:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Hm, maybe it was two then
I can't exactly remember
 
Your mind blocked out the painful experience? :P
 
Yeah, it ends with the current issue being resolved, setting up the rest of the season for a status quo-happy sequence of "problem of the week" with no continuity.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD After that was basically the only time I ever posted a Facebook message - "DD.MM.YYYY, a dark room at the GA. The time is HH:MM. The victims: Name1, Name2, Name3. The culprit: My Little Pony."
 
What's up with the "Real" C++ room?
 
@CaptainGiraffe There's a real C++ room?
 
Xeo
9:02 PM

<!Real> C++ Room

ISO<14882:2011> I have nothing to say.
Bwahahaha
 
@EtiennedeMartel The thing is the original creator (Lauren Faust) wanted it to actually have a conflict that spanned multiple episodes.
But Hasbro said "Fuck you" and canned that idea, so it was made Slice-Of-Life style.
 
@ThePhD Doesn't surprise me. That's a better idea, but the suits think it's impossible for children to follow a story for more than 21 minutes.
 
People vastly underestimate children. =[
Then again, if the target is 4 years old....
Maybe they can't follow along for that long.
 
The target is 20 some year olds
 
9:03 PM
@Rapptz The target is 8 year old girls.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz heh
 
I dunno, at 7-8 years old I was taking thick books out of the Fiction section of the library.
 
The 20 year old men thing is a periphery demographic.
 
Xeo
in Real C++ Room, 18 hours ago, by JABFreeware
@CCInc yeah. The other room "C++ Lounge" no offense to them, but you never get anything except insults from them
 
I avoided the young adults / children's section entirely, save for the Guardians of Ga'Hoole series.
 
Xeo
9:04 PM
Pfft
> For those who want to chat C++, and not trash.
Also, dem topic
 
Lounge<C++>: the bin for Real C++.
I could NOT read through the DragonLance series, though.
I mean, not onyl was it thick it was fucking confusing.
I could follow the Dragonlord and Rhapsody series much more easily.
 
lol
> Despite the target demographic of young girls and their mothers,[96] My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has become an Internet phenomenon, with many male fans between 13 and 35.[124] The response from the Internet has been traced to cartoon and animation fans on the Internet board 4chan,[96] responding to Amidi's negative essay on the show and on current trends in animation.[116][125]
 
@Xeo How could that fucker say that about us!
 
@Rapptz So, terrible, shady corners of the internet.
Seems legit.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Meaning we should all get together on Mumble and synch-watch MLP?
 
9:07 PM
Never understood the pony fetish myself.
 
You want to name more Victims on your Facebook Memorial Page? D:
Could you imagine this entire chat falling victim to MLP: FiM ?!
 
lol TIL 86% of the viewers of MLP:FIM are males with an average age of 21
 
^ See, look at that.
We're right in their target range, man.
Most of us wouldn't stand a chance.
WE'D GO DOWN LIKE SO MUCH AS CHAFF ON THE THRESHING FLOOR.
 
@Xeo Real C++ room o.O
 
> Two informal surveys of 2,300 and 9,000 participants respectively revealed that the average age of adult fans is around 21, that approximately 86% were male, and that 63% were currently pursuing a college degree or higher qualification.[22][23][24]
> An informal statistical census suggests within 95% confidence that as of September 2012, there are between 7 and 12.4 million people in the United States that would identify themselves as bronies.[27]
 
Xeo
9:08 PM
Also, I just noticed... "real C++" but . Ahaaaa.
 
What is managed?
 
C++/CLI.
 
dem informal statistics.
 
199
A: How should I ethically approach user password storage for later plaintext retrieval?

AaronaughtImagine someone has commissioned a large building to be built - a bar, let's say - and the following conversation takes place: Architect: For a building of this size and capacity, you will need fire exits here, here, and here. Client: No, that's too complicated and expensive to maintain, I don't...

^^ 31 comments before Godwin's law is invoked.
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lol
 
@Insilico of course not. Why would they :) lol
 
9:10 PM
Come to think of it, I cannot really think of any few words that describes the range of discussions here...
 
@Mysticial lol
 
Xeo
But you know what, if that other C++ room gets active, we atleast won't have to deal with all the drive-by-linking, help-vampires and idiots anymore.
Since they're the "real" C++ room.
@Pawnguy7 The Internet.
 
@Xeo Where the C++ in that room? :P
 
@Xeo I don't think that counts. The internet has talks about EVERYTHING.
 
Should just go ahead and rename this the fake, imitation C++ room. Avoid any confusion.
3
 
Xeo
9:13 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<Not Real C++>: We don't know C++, please go to the Real C++ Room. [no-c++] [no-c++11] [no-c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
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That should provide enough camouflage.
 
do eet
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Erm... I did?
 
@Xeo What did I just hear? Did someone just activate the cloaking device?
 
Reading all the no tags, for a second I wondered if we would end up with helpdesk rather than no-helpdesk haha
 
@Borgleader The ZPM module is almost down to 5% you guys are crazy.
 
9:16 PM
LOL
Hey I'm canadian we blow up solar systems for the fun of it
 
Xeo
in Real C++ Room, 6 secs ago, by Xeo
Guys, thank you so much for opening this room. You don't know how much you're helping us. Live long and prosper!
 
@Xeo I had a hard time finding the star with the mouse while laughing so hard.
 
Xeo
in Real C++ Room, 27 secs ago, by Janman
@sehe I don't see what the problem is. None is having any trouble with C++, so we just chat. If someone would ask a C++ related question, we would prioritize it and try to answer it as soon as we could
They should make a sitcom out of that room.
 
in Real C++ Room, 6 secs ago, by sehe
@Janman Ah. So this would be the room. Thanks for clearing that up
 
Ell
@sehe I think I got what I want :3 github.com/elliotpotts/MiniCraft/network
 
9:21 PM
Best tag ever.
 
Xeo
Hands Stars up for moving all future help-vampire messages over to the Real C++ Room?
20
 
@Xeo yep :)
@Xeo How about we move them from the bin to there as well? :P
 
Xeo
Owch
 
Well, we shouldn't apply it retroactively.
That'd be just mean.
 
Xeo
@sehe seems to have a good time over there.
in Real C++ Room, 28 secs ago, by Janman
Actually yes. I don't see why you have to be so grumpy about us chatting non-related stuff.
From what I understand, this chat is just a place where you can write, ask and discuss C++ related stuff. But when none is writing anything, I don't see the problem why we cannot chat just for the fun.
Should we tell them that it's not much different here? Naaaah...
 
Ell
9:26 PM
Whuuut did bartek change his nick?
 
@Xeo Well, these two have proven themselves to be exquisite trouble seekers. I'll stay the hell out :)
 
@sehe I'd say we unbin something for them. :)
 
Xeo
Nah
Let those messages rest in peace.
 
@Ell I was wondering that myself.
 
Xeo
@Ell Why do you think so?
 
9:28 PM
@Mysticial Nah. No need to antagonize them.. They're doing so much better job without us
 
Xeo
in Real C++ Room, 2 mins ago, by Janman
Or should I say "cout << "Bye" << endl;", so we stay on topic?
 
@sehe I know. If it wasn't obvious enough. I wasn't being serious.
 
Xeo
warning: using namespace std; and std::endl detected, and user is not STL
 
But I'm not against sending them all the future drive-by links we get.
 
Hello, World!
 
9:29 PM
@Mysticial I'm in favour
 
Wonderful.
 
@Code-Guru *Cruel
 
We'll install a Portal, and our Admins will shoot the Orange end out in Real C++.
 
@sehe I slept in today, so not as pessimistic as usual =p
 
Xeo
Guys, y'know, maybe we should all stay joined in that room, so that they look full and active.
Giving us more camouflage.
 
9:30 PM
lol
 
That might actually be a good way to deflect some vampirism
 
lol
 
Just inactive-idle in there.
 
Xeo
You can even close the tab
 
Are the grayed-out gravitars the in room but not active ones?
 
Xeo
9:32 PM
@Abyx, PSST!
 
50 rep says that on the next link-dump we get, 5 of us will race to see who can send it to the other room first.
 
@Xeo ok ;)
 
Goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd.
I hate C++ sometimes. ;~;
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Typing "real" in the destination search seems to give good results, with them being the second room.
 
Or more specifically, I hate MSVC.
 
9:33 PM
Anybody know where @BartekBanachewicz went?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD In C++, Compiler hates You.
@Pawnguy7 Why?
 
@Xeo Well, he built SFML for me and I had a question for him onit.
 
Xeo
Ah. No clue, sorry.
 
Ell
@Xeo he isn't suggested when typing @bar
 
Xeo
Is for me.
 
9:34 PM
For me as well
 
Hm.
Lemme refresh.
 
It is for me, but I don't see him in the gravatars at top right.
 
Nope, after refreshing his name does not come up.
 
Xeo
Maybe he was just too long gone when you guys joined or refreshed.
 
Maybe he just left the room?
 
Xeo
9:35 PM
@Pawnguy7 So? People can also leave rooms :P
 
Or what @Xeo said.
 
Xeo
in Real C++ Room, 20 secs ago, by JABFreeware
room topic changed to Real C++ Room: ISO<14882:2011>. For those who want to chat C++. [c++11] [helpdesk] [managed-c++]
YES
 
The helpdesk?
 
It's already working.
People are going in there and asking questions about stuff for their CS classes.
 
Xeo
@Abyx: Hey, don't poke too much fun at them - yet.
 
9:37 PM
Camouflage Successful!
 
Xeo
Keikaku dori.
Time for some vidya gaemz
 
@Xeo what plan?
well, anyway that's a really useful room. a brand-new bin.
 
Ell
9:51 PM
Anyone know a word for someone who needs to know up to date gossip on everything?
e.g. If I were to say "Hey, I need to tell you something later!" then later I say "Actually, it doesn't matter." then said person jabbers on about it for the next 3 days
 
yeah, they're called "gossips"
 
Ell
That is good I guess, but it implies they also do gossiping, what about if they only want to know information but don't share it?
 
@Xeo Ahahahahahahahahahaha
This is golden
 
Xeo
I know, right? :)
 
SFML STILL DOES NOT WORK. Ack. Who here uses VS2012?
 
9:57 PM
Sorry, Vim only.
And CommandLine.
 
@Pawnguy7 I'm not a user; I'm just an...addict (but I don't do SFML).
 
I must be linking something wrong... somehow.
 
@Ell "nosy"
 
The paths are correct, though, it finds the files... and seems to load the dependencies... what else is there?
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin "doing SFML" sounds like some kind of fetishism.
 
9:59 PM
@Pawnguy7 I do.
 
in Real C++ Room, 1 hour ago, by JABFreeware
CCInc and I are learning C++ we hope this room gets some interest, because no one can get help through the lounge
Brilliant
We did it lads we finally did it
THEY GET IT
 
@DeadMG If I were to link specific libraries, do I need to do something other than list them in project properties -> config -> linker -> additional dependencies?
 
no
but I always used #pragma comment(lib, "xyz") instead.
 
autolinking ftw. gcc sucks.
 
@CatPlusPlus SUCCESS
 
10:01 PM
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
 
@DeadMG Tried that, no luck. Here is my situation: I was trying to rebuild a library, because of the mismatched MSVC error. Anyway, I build them, tried linking it... failure. I then tried it with the libs somebody else built (in this case, Bartek), failure. I tried it from builds from a principle member of the SFML community ("nightly builds"). Failure. I am pretty sure I am linking wrong somehow...
But I cannot figure out where.
 
You knwo what really helps when yuo tell us all this stuff?
 
Make sure you include a link :P
 
The actual Linker Errors. :3c
 
Unresolved external symbol.
 
10:05 PM
you moron
the solution really depends on what the fuck symbol is external.
 
Anything referencing the library...
 
because it might have nothing to do with the libraries at all.
 
43
Q: What is an undefined reference/unresolved external symbol error and how do I fix it?

Luchian GrigoreWhat are undefined reference/unresolved external symbol errors? What are common causes and how to fix them? Feel free to edit/add your own.

 
Shit
 
Well, I can make a console project build correctly.
 
10:06 PM
Everytime I see that grene smiley face
 
@Pawnguy7, select error, press F1.
 
Xeo
in Real C++ Room, 3 mins ago, by CC Inc
@R.MartinhoFernandes start flamming away
lol
 
I can't stop laughing
 
@Xeo Seems they have an attitude as well.
And I don't even have to do anything to trigger it.
 
I am very funny
 
10:08 PM
So, GCC 4.8 is out?
 
Xeo
Is it now?
 
First RC is my understanding.
 
What's new in 4.8 ?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Stuff
 
Yeah it's not out yet
 
10:08 PM
@LucDanton Oh, ok.
 
> The GCC 4.8 branch has been created and a first release candidate
is being prepared right now.
Today's status report
 
@ThePhD Mostly non-language stuff.
 
Error 3 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: __thiscall sf::Clock::Clock(void)" (??0Clock@sf@@QAE@XZ) referenced in function _main C:\path\Visual Studio 2012\Projects\Pong\Pong\main.obj Pong if it helps.
 
Which you'd see if you clicked on the date under GCC 4.8 you lazy robot
 
Oh, so bugfixes.
 
Xeo
10:09 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But inheriting constructors!
 
Bugfixes are in bugfix versions
 
AWWWWH SHIT
CONSTRUCTOR INHERITANCE?
 
Minor releases have new features
 
@Xeo It's here.
 
There's thread_local, attribute syntax, inheriting constructors.
 
10:10 PM
I've wanted that for so long.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton That's what I meant.
 
q_q
 
I still agree with the 'mostly'.
 
AND I HAVE STILL YET TO HEAR FROM THE VC++ TEAM ABOUT PROGRESS ON THE C++ COMPILER q_q
 
Ahaha
 
10:11 PM
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyrurururururururuuuuuuu.
 
There's new error message format, new optimisation setting, and other stuff.
 
MSVC status: still sucks
3
 
So... you have seen the exact error. Care to enlighten me?
 
@Pawnguy7 we'll see :P
 
I am - legit - about to trash my current MS internship and re-interview for a spot on the Compiler Team.
They must be helped.
I NEED REAL C++11.
 
10:12 PM
@Pawnguy7 Not particularly. You are obviously not linking to all the correct SFML libraries.
 
Xeo
Sorry, but I don't want you on the compiler team. Not until we fix your coding attitutde...
 
=[
My coding attitude is fine. ;~;
 
@Xeo First thing he'd do would be to start adding extensions to unions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey! I'm not that crazy. DD:
 
He talks about C++11, but adding stuff to unions is what he really craves.
 
10:13 PM
MSVC 2014 status: ThePhD'd
 
Deep down he knows it.
 
Unions are fine as they are. They don't need to be touched.
 
@DeadMG Well, the code I am using - in this case, essentially a timer - is in the system module, which is and is the only library I linked to.
 
well go look at the source code for that module and see if it defines that function.
 
Or you know look at the exported symbols
Hint yours is not there
You wouldn't be getting a linker error if it were there
 
10:15 PM
Does Visual Study insert some sort of thing in here? That is all I can think of.
 
So yet again your build settings are fucked unfuck them and it'll work
 
59 secs ago, by DeadMG
well go look at the source code for that module and see if it defines that function.
 
The doc does. The headers do. It worked that way when I used it a month ago (not VS)... I will check, though.
 
then likely you have a compiler settings incompatibility
debug mode vs release, architecture, etc.
 
Can you screenshot your Project -> Properties -> Linker -> Additional Dependencies plx?
 
10:18 PM
`Clock::Clock() :
m_startTime(priv::ClockImpl::getCurrentTime())
{
}` - in the source
 
evening gents
 
@thecoshman Konbanwa!
We got a new Bin.
 
59 secs ago, by DeadMG
then likely you have a compiler settings incompatibility
 
yeah I saw
 
sfml-system-s-d.lib
kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winspool.lib comdlg32.lib advapi32.lib shell32.lib ole32.lib oleaut32.lib uuid.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib
Only function is int main(), so I don't think it is somehow a winMain or _tMain issue.
 
10:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus you have 'Dwarfs!?' right?
 
Yeah probably
 
lol, you actually tried starting it up?
on linux
 
@DeadMG The project properties I was setting were in debug, and I built it, in debug. Additionally, all different builds of these libraries I have used - including ones I myself built - were for this architecture (64-bit windows)
 
FFS FC3 doesn't get input from my mouse wheel.
 
Does VS insert from sort of thing into my code?
I chose empty project.
 
10:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes FC3?
 
Far Cry 3.
 
ah, thought so
 
And "Zoom in"/"Zoom out" are not rebindable actions.
Great.
 
@thecoshman No, I don't run Linux
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what? what sort of crazy ass setup is that?
 
10:26 PM
Mouse wheel works fine elsewhere. :/
And now the game crashed.
Yep, that's it for today.
 
@Pawnguy7 Could be other settings which are not the same.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know that feeling :P
 
@DeadMG Any idea what settings?
 
no.
also, some libraries require a special macro to be set if they are to be built statically, check that.
 
@Pawnguy7 any of the settings
 
10:30 PM
@DeadMG Got it covered: defined SFML_STATIC in preproccessor
@MooingDuck I need to find them though...
I don't see anything in the linker it could be.
 
CRT linkage?
 
> The new option -Wpedantic is an alias for -pedantic, which is now deprecated
Better update settings.
 
Xeo
consistency, huh?
 
Seems sensible -- unless it still affects -std? Come to think of it, that's weird.
 
@LucDanton is that for gcc 4.8?
 
10:37 PM
@LucDanton What.
 
@DeadMG I don't think this would be it, but how could I go about fully checking?
 
Yaay, built SFML just for fun.
 
Not funny :\
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hm.. true, -pedantic wasn't just about warnings, huh?
 
10:38 PM
Odd thing is, I got this working in ten minutes with C::B and minGW.
 
@Xeo I'm checking right now but IIRC it's warnings and -std=c++03 (only warnings for C I think?).
 
@Xeo "Issue all the warnings demanded by strict ISO C and ISO C++; reject all programs that use forbidden extensions, and some other programs that do not follow ISO C and ISO C++. For ISO C, follows the version of the ISO C standard specified by any -std option used."
 
Xeo
Oh?
 
@Pawnguy7 That was the only linker error, right?
 
There's some promiscuity with -std, which is expected after all, but it doesn't change it.
 
Ell
10:42 PM
If anyone sees bartek, tell him his code compiles and runs fine on linux :3
 
@Ell Why don't you just plink him?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes his name isn't showing up in the @ list o.O
 
Also I've just learned that you can go __extension__(int n = 3; int i[n];) to 'escape' into a GNU dialect.
 
Who cares.
 
Ell
Oh wait it still works doesn't it?
 
10:43 PM
Right.
 
only if you can spell it :3
 
Ell
@Bartek minicraft with the simplex noise runs fine on linux
 
@DeadMG There were four others, all the same but about different functions of the Clock object. All functions accounted for in the source... so yes, but not really at the same time, for practical purposes.
 
no others?
 
Nope.
 
10:44 PM
@Pawnguy7 Does it happen for any and all things you use from SFML? Or only for a select few?
@Xeo I feel like I asked this before: char const* will be picked over T&& for a string literal, right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tested with two objects from each of the five modules: all similar errors.
 
Xeo
Mar 4 at 20:52, by Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I know why - char const (&)[3] vs char const* (with "hi") is ambiguous. As such, when T&& deduces to the former, the latter is picked (preferred non-templates etc).
 
Xeo
Obviously that only applies if the char const* function isn't a template
So it's a bit brittle for a blanket "yes".
 
Oooh, I'm returning an rvalue reference. Don't tell anyone.
 
10:48 PM
Hey guys who wanna chat with me? )
 
lol
 
ShouldI ask on SO? Not sure what else is to be done, to... should have plenty of info on things.
 
Can you make it work on a blank new project?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O
 
10:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes This IS a blank new project. Or at least, that is what it said.
Very baffled.
 
Any other ideas?
I don't think it is a problem with the libraries, but linking to them somehow. Yet, I find no errors in the linking...
 
@Xeo It's warranted! I swear!
It's a special forwarding function.
 
Xeo
Heh
Why "special"?
 
template <typename UnicodeSequence,
          wheels::EnableIf<is_unicode_sequence<UnicodeSequence>>...>
UnicodeSequence&& as_code_point_range(UnicodeSequence&& sequence);
// plus overloads for char32_t const* and char16_t const*
The template version just forwards, while the two other overloads need to wrap stuff.
I'm homogenising the API.
 
Xeo
10:55 PM
Uhm... the other overloads return prvalues, right?
 
@Xeo Oh, sure.
 
Xeo
Then that function should too, if you want to allow generic usage. auto&& r = as_code_point_range(get_a_range());
Dangling references and stuff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes think I should ask on SO?
 
Xeo
std::forward doesn't have that problem, as it only accepts lvalues.
 
@melak47: OMG YOUR NEW AVATAR <3<3<3<3<3<3<3
 
10:58 PM
@Xeo Erm, wrong?
 
lol, uh, I'm glad you like it? :p
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh wait, hm. I wonder why...
 

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