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4:00 PM
It's not a complete list.
 
@rubenvb define comparable in design
 
@BartekBanachewicz use your imagination.
 
again you are using words that mean nothing.
 
user784668
@rubenvb define "use", "your" and "imagination".
 
Perhaps you know what games are talking about
 
user784668
4:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz then learn English.
 
But have you ever considered that someone else might have different opinions?
 
Anyone here remember that old game called Sacrifice?
 
Not mentioning that you are mixing technology (flash) with a game design
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Have you ever considered that someone else might not agree with your opinions?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought the lack of this action was a prerequisite for this room?
 
4:01 PM
@Fanael yes, why?
 
@BartekBanachewicz name one real flash game ;-)
 
user784668
@rubenvb I read that as "Scarface" and was going to say "yes".
 
@rubenvb I still don't get your definition of "real", but still, I don't know how technology should be related to how the game is designed.
Unreal Engine 3 has a flash backend IIRC
does it mean all games on UE3 are not real?
"real"
 
@BartekBanachewicz a lot of games use flash interface elements. It doesn't make them flash games.
 
Are we debating real vs casual games?
 
4:03 PM
@rubenvb a lot of games don't use flash, but I don't really see how doing so makes the game more "real"
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 NO DETAILS!
 
Even wikipedia knows what I'm on about: en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flash_games&redirect=no
 
@rubenvb it is a technology article. And nowhere is written "browser games aren't real"
 
I bought a monitor and I can't plug it in because 3 places had no DVI cables
Why is it so fucking hard to find a goddamn DVI cable
 
@BartekBanachewicz you ask me to define my "real game". Then you rant on about that you have a different opinion. I'm lost.
 
4:04 PM
@Fanael Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I have one.
 
user784668
3 mins ago, by Fanael
@BartekBanachewicz Have you ever considered that someone else might not agree with your opinions?
 
@rubenvb cough
5 mins ago, by rubenvb
@BartekBanachewicz or comparable in design.
"games in flash or comparable in design"
in flash | in design
beware, long word:
*ORTHOGONAL*
 
Games are games are games, are not potatoes. There. I have solved it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz please, tell me there is one game there that stands out: flash-game.net
I'll give you a hint: they all suck.
Or even better: lmgtfy.com/?q=flash+game
 
user784668
4:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Harder word: PERSPECTIVE
 
I didn't know we were arguing if what I said was indeed my definition of real game.
I'm quite sure I know what I see as a real game.
 
user784668
@rubenvb You're clearly wrong. Go home and compile GCC instead.
 
Unless we step into Indie games, which makes this a whole lot harder to decide, because there are some true gems in there.
 
But your definition hardly exists outside your mind
it is your own, personal definition
 
4:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz which is what you asked for?
 
@rubenvb I was trying to tell you that it's as good as any other.
Which boils down to "we can't really define what a real game is"
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz I believe we can. A real game is a complex game with imaginary part equal to 0.
8
 
I found a VGA->DVI adapter
It was for DVI-I and I have DVI-D :downs:
 
@BartekBanachewicz What. People have different opinions about subjects? Get out of here. You're lying.
@CatPlusPlus use hdmi
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't know what a single part of that means... a monitor, you said?
 
4:11 PM
you had one problem? Now you have two.
 
... which, in conclusion, leads to the fact that Steam statistics are about steam users, but hardly represent "every gamer" or every person who is having fun on PC
 
I don't have HDMI input
 
@CatPlusPlus what screen did you buy?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd bet 90% of serious gamers (see my earlier definition of the prerequisite) have Steam.
 
Samsung S22B300
 
user784668
4:12 PM
Steam statistics certainly don't represent every person who is having fun on PC. You see, last time I checked, Steam was about games, not porn.
 
I'm really not interested in HDMI at all
 
15 mins ago, by rubenvb
@BartekBanachewicz playing real games, not facebook flash crap or ... minecruft
"serious gamers" ^
 
Also HDMI cables are way more expensive than DVI cables
 
yes.
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Which boils down to "we can't really define what a real game is"
so we can't define "serious gamer" based on a nonexisting "real game", right?
 
4:14 PM
It's funny how hardwired you are to keep repeating irrelevant points.
 
There's no "we". I made up a random criterion to decide this stuff, and that's what this was supposed to be about.
 
According to my definition, less than 1% of serious gamers use Steam.
 
but instead it became a back-and-forth discussion about I don't know what metaphysical crap and I haven't done a thing about my Ambrosia code.
 
no wonder, if you call logic "metaphysical crap"
I am done here.
 
4:15 PM
What do serious gamers use?
 
~real gamers~
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz According to my definition, you're an asshole.
 
lol
 
It really boils down to people who want to feel better than other people
 
Says the Cat with the mustache and the monocle. :)
 
4:17 PM
A bunch of whiny nerds who think they're part of ~~elite~~ because they don't play X because that's for babies
 
user784668
Note though, that link is wrong. This is not an ad hominem, because it's not an argument in the first place.
 
@TonyTheLion Indeed
 
Note the @Cat does not reflect my opinion on the people playing Minecraft.
 
You've used the word suffer for it
 
I am one such person. How do you define me? :D
 
4:18 PM
@Fanael so why the fuck did you even post it?
 
TNT goes BOOM.
 
Can you list an example of a real game, for comparison?
 
@CatPlusPlus cough
 
@Pawnguy7 A nice comparison is Anno whatever-year vs Farmville.
 
200
A: Which is better option to use for dividing an integer number by 2?

Cat Plus PlusDoes the first one look like dividing? No. If you want to divide, use x / 2. Compiler can optimise it to use bit-shift if possible (it's called strength reduction), which makes it a useless micro-optimisation if you do it on your own.

woah
200 boats for simple answer like this :)
What are you guys bitching about?
 
user784668
4:21 PM
@TonyTheLion that's 'sshole overflow for ya
 
Xeo
It's the silly questions
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion Bartek
 
@Fanael What's he done now?
 
@rubenvb Prove that Farmville is not ~real~
@TonyTheLion :stackoverflow:
 
@CatPlusPlus ~abra~cadabra~alakazam~... QED
 
4:22 PM
Anyone uses NewsBlur?
 
Farmville is annoying
 
@rubenvb :thumbsup:
 
Farmville is just stupid. It's there for when you want to turn off your brain.
 
It also has few million players or something like that
 
@Jueecy It's there mainly to piss me off.
 
4:23 PM
@rubenvb I believe you are making the basic comparison of casual games vs... non casual games. But... well, yes, casual games usually are browser-based, and flash - hence casual. That does not mean the games are not fun, though. Also, I don't think Minecraft is a casual game. Not to mention, it is neither flash and, last time I checked, you don't play it in a browser.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus They're not real.
 
@TonyTheLion, just avoid it
 
> Due to overwhelming demand, free accounts are temporarily suspended.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus where
 
@Pawnguy7 Casual/non-casual has nothing to do with technology (also you can play Minecraft in a browser if you want)
@Fanael NewsBlur
 
4:25 PM
ugh
 
They have the best plans
Either 24$ or 36$ per year
And the difference is how much food their dog gets
 
@CatPlusPlus They are not directly related, no, I missed the beginning of the argument though. Also... I guess you can, I don't think it is common.
 
Xeo
Hmm... It seems that pouring Ice Tea over one's keyboard isn't the brightest of ideas.
 
Coincidentally that also applies to other liquids
 
@Xeo And that also applies to lots of other electronic devices.
 
4:26 PM
Yeah I'm not paying for an RSS reader fuck that
 
Xeo
Well, atleast it still works.
 
@CatPlusPlus You mean to say you actually used RSS?
 
Isn't RSS free?
 
I actually use RSS
 
@rubenvb RSS isn't a software application.
 
4:27 PM
Why?
 
RSS is not a protocol
 
I don't see why one would need to subscribed to any RSS feed
 
Well I guess you could call it a protocol
 
I find them merely annoying
 
@TonyTheLion Because I don't want to visit 80 pages to see if there's anything new there?
Because that's kind of waste of time?
 
4:28 PM
I see
 
user784668
@Insilico You edited your wrongness.
 
@Fanael Yes. I tend to edit out wrong things.
 
@Insilico no, but RSS feeds and readers are generally pretty free.
 
@TonyTheLion If you think that's annoying, you should see Twitter feeds that are basically duplicates of existing RSS feeds, which is not what you use Twitter for.
 
So paying for something related to RSS seems odd to me.
 
4:30 PM
@rubenvb Google Reader is free
 
@Insilico It makes me sick, then again, I don't use Twitter
 
But it's also shutting down in 4 months
So alternatives are needed
 
@rubenvb Yes, because paying for what's basically a only very-slightly glorified XML reader is stupid.
 
read.XML(feed);
done
 
what's the best programming language to lean nowadays?
 
4:32 PM
1
Q: Wrong conditional blocks enabled/disabled in Visual C++ 2008

JohnFairly typical setup: #ifdef MSVC ... #else ... #endif I know MSVC is set since the code runs but the IDE is graying out the wrong part, so intellisense is also messed up on vars/methods called in the block. Is this just another "delete the NCB" issue with pre-2010 VC++ or is there another ...

@Kakitori None. They all suck. Except for Haskell of course. (If you're a cat.)
 
ok
 
Repeat after me: Visual C++ != Visual Studio's Intellisense
 
user784668
@Kakitori Python
 
@Kakitori It's a joke.
 
Not PHP
 
user784668
4:33 PM
> North Korea
 
user784668
You're lucky it's not the USA.
 
why not php?
 
@CatPlusPlus aren't there like tons depending on where you are? Firefox, Android, etc...
 
There are tons of shit everywhere
I want something good~
 
oh, ~good~.
 
user784668
4:34 PM
@CatPlusPlus make your own
 
Define "good" :P
 
@Jueecy What is the best alternative to php?
 
@Kakitori 1) it's a scripting language 2) it generally sucks
 
@Fanael I don't have time or patience
 
@Kakitori, python or ruby
 
4:36 PM
C++.
 
@Jueecy but, between pythin and ruby what's the best?
 
user784668
@rubenvb in terms of suckiness? Sure. In terms of webdev suitability? You're kidding, right?
 
user784668
@Kakitori Python.
 
@Kakitori, depends on whatever you like django or ruby on rails
 
@Kakitori Python follows the "batteries included" philosophy, so you might be able to easily find libraries for whatever you need to get done. Not sure about Ruby though, I haven't tried it.
 
4:38 PM
@Fanael If it has to run on a Raspberry Pi? I'd give it a shot :)
 
@Insilico, That's true for Ruby aswell
 
@Jueecy I stand corrected then.
 
@Insilico Ok, I'll check python
 
user784668
@Insilico The most important difference between them is, well, syntax and idioms.
 
Can I do a range-based for for every but the last element?
 
4:39 PM
@rubenvb We're talking about C++ or Python?
 
@Insilico C++, obviously.
oh nvm
I need to spiffy up my lexer.
 
for (int i = 0; i < last-1; i++)?
 
let it extract whole sections.
 
user784668
@Jueecy not a range-based for
 
@Fanael, what's a range based for then?
 
user784668
4:42 PM
@Jueecy for(T elt: container)
 
@Jueecy It's a C++11 feature.
 
@rubenvb You need range-manipulating tools
slice to be exact
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Or move_back_end.
 
Time for copy-pasting and code shine.
 
@Fanael which is not for (auto it = vec.begin(); it != vec.end(); i++) right?
 
4:44 PM
it's equivalent to it
 
user784668
@Jueecy It more or less is. Add T elt = *it; in the body and it'll be more than less.
 
@Jueecy The point of range-based for loops is so you don't have to write all that bullshit out.
 
well std::begin(vec)
since it works for arrays too
 
@Jueecy by the way, python is usefull, for web delopment??
 
@Kakitori Yes.
 
4:46 PM
Mkay trying RSSOwl
 
user784668
@Kakitori sure, reddit is in Python.
 
Well technically anything is useful for web development. Python, Ruby and PHP are the most frequently used ones.
 
It's based on Eclipse :lol:
 
@Fanael ok
 
@CatPlusPlus Why the hell are they using an IDE as the basis for an RSS reader?
 
4:47 PM
Is Feedly bad or something?
 
I'd seriously love a good C++ library for the web...
 
Well it's not using IDE features, but the underlying platform
 
They also have transfer for Google Reader
 
@Jueecy There actually is a C++ library designed for web applications. I think it's called WT or something
 
@Fanael, how's that implemented? does it became a language feature?
 
4:48 PM
It's weird
 
It installs an addon but also opens up a webpage I don't know what's that about
 
@Jueecy haha. thx!
 
@Insilico You mean, Qt for the Web?
 
@Insilico, yeah but it tries to make Qt for the web, not a very good idea imho
 
4:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know, I haven't tried it.
 
user784668
@Jueecy What.
 
@Jueecy Is it Qt? I don't think Wt has any association with Qt (i.e. not developed by the same people)
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah, sometimes I can go nuts on pointless things.
 
It's designed after Qt
Also nobody writes webapps in C++ forget about it
 
@Jueecy Actually I don't understand that question.
 
4:49 PM
@Fanael, I mean for (int i : vec ). What's that : there?
 
@Jueecy "in"
 
@CatPlusPlus Technically Facebook uses C++ for their production software, but their programmers write it in PHP
 
user784668
@Jueecy Ah, yeah, yes, it's a language feature. New rules for the grammar and semantics and all that stuff.
 
Like they have a PHP-to-C++ converter tool over there that takes in PHP and spits out C++ code.
 
> By reducing the number of servers running your applications you actually reduce the pollution of CO2 to the air and make your software less energy consuming and thus greener.
 
4:50 PM
@Fanael, so you can't like overload it, right?
 
@Insilico Yeah they don't write webapps in C++
 
user784668
@Jueecy If you mean "provide it for your own types", you can.
 
@Jueecy I don't think : is an operator in this case
 
@Fanael, yeah I meant that. How do you do that?
 
That's right, ecofriendliness is actually part of CppCMS' sales pitch.
 
4:51 PM
@Jueecy It's a colon that was inherited from Java.
 
@Rapptz I don't think it was ever an operator, was it?
 
user784668
@Insilico as a part of ternary it is.
 
@Insilico by "I don't think" I mean "I know"
:D
 
@Fanael Yes, of course.
 
: is an operator in Haskell :)
but not in C++
 
4:53 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That would probably be true for Facebook-scale webapps.
 
@Rapptz how do you provide it for your own classes then?
 
@Jueecy You define begin() and end() for your class.
 
yes
 
@Jueecy That loop will stop before you reach the last element. Is that really what you want? Oh, apparently you are :)
 
@Insilico, not bad.
 
4:54 PM
@FredOverflow That was the point
 
14 mins ago, by rubenvb
Can I do a range-based for for every but the last element?
 
Reading backwards doesn't always work out great :)
 
yeah :)
 
Aah this monitor drives me crazy
I WANT TO USE IT SO BAD
 
@CatPlusPlus What's stopping you?
 
4:55 PM
I don't have a cable
 
But doesn't range based loops somehow duplicate the std::for_each used with lambdas?
 
What cable do you need?
 
Well I do have a cable, but it's D-Sub and I only have one D-Sub output on the GPU
I need DVI
 
@Jueecy I find the foreach with colon syntax much simpler.
 
I don't have DVI
 
4:56 PM
@Jueecy It's less syntax clutter.
 
@CatPlusPlus ask friends
 
Then go buy a DVI cable?
 
It's weekend nobody's here
@FredOverflow Well gosh I haven't thought of that
 
What monitor is it, by the way?
 
All reachable places didn't have one
 
4:57 PM
@FredOverflow, yeah I meant that: why would anyone use std::for_each for anything then?
 
And it's Saturday so everything is either closed or closing very early
@FredOverflow S22B300
 
@Jueecy In my personal opinion, std::for_each is deprecated now.
 
It's almost identical to the one I already had
 
57
Q: Does the range-based 'for' loop deprecate many simple algorithms?

FredOverflowAlgorithm solution: std::generate(numbers.begin(), numbers.end(), rand); Range-based for-loop solution: for (int& x : numbers) x = rand(); Why would I want to use the more verbose std::generate over range-based for-loops in C++11?

 
@Jueecy std::for_each existed before lambdas or range-based for loops. That's why it exists in the first place.
 
user784668
4:58 PM
@FredOverflow std::foreach is implementation-defined (as in "an extension"). The standard one is std::for_each.
 
he also made this question
 
Screens don't match side-by-side because one has bigger frame but eh
 
@CatPlusPlus What happened to the old one?
 
Nothing
 
Wait, how do you chat without a monitor?
 
4:58 PM
@Jueecy What if you do not want to iterate over the entire container?
 
I have two now
 
@FredOverflow Presumably Cat wants to have a two monitor setup. Or has amazing memory that somehow synchronizes with the OS's graphics buffer.
 
That's why I can't plug the other one in, because my only D-Sub output is already taken
 
@Insilico oh yeah I just checked. I thought it was introduced with c++11
 
You still use VGA? And I thought I was hardcore old school.
 
4:59 PM
@AndyProwl, you can't use the for_each either, can you?
 
@AndyProwl Make your own range?
Not really hard tbh
 
@Jueecy Why not?
 
I'm stupid
You can
 
@AndyProwl How often does that happen??
 
I really don't see much difference between D-Sub and DVI
 

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