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2:00 PM
compiler and libraries, even the standard one, are different things
 
TIL if you copy paste a youtube link to VLC it works
 
@Rapptz Guess, I'm wrong then. I'm still sticking with equation though.
 
@Pawnguy7 well you understood wrong. MinGW and MinGW-w64 are both sets of headers and libraries that can be used to build GCC and with GCC for Win32.
 
rubenvb maintains a personal build of MinGW-w64.. if you don't know.
 
6 mins ago, by rubenvb
You should use my MinGW-w64 builds anyways.
why oh why does clang not work with new libstdc++ :(
 
2:03 PM
abi change, I thought?
 
yes idd.
But I don't know how to fix it :(
the bug's patch manually applied segfaults clang :(
 
Clang has a really annoying habit of doing that.
 
I guess enabling asserts would help, but hey, I just want the stuff to work :p
 
it might tell you what is going wrong
Clang never does any input checking whatsoever except a quick assert
 
which is fine as long as the input is right :). I'll build a clang with assertions to see what went wrong.
 
2:11 PM
uh
I've tried raw VBO first
but recalc is really costly now.
I mean, full recalc.
Now I don't know if I should optimize full recalcs or just chunk it allready instead
 
can you terminate your account in stackoverflow ?
 
how ?
 
committing su-e-cide
 
how ?
@rubenvb you are a very bad person
@rubenvb self-esteem issues ?
 
2:15 PM
@Mhjr lol dude
 
@rubenvb ok "
 
hehe
welcome to the internet.
 
I hate it (no need for such word)
 
Then leave. It's not compulsory to life.
What's the inverse of a std::multimap<key,value>? A std::map<value,std::set<key>>?
 
@rubenvb just a map?
 
Xeo
2:26 PM
Yay, 66sec at Super Hexagon
And fuck me, Hypermode...
 
I found some super old header files that declare functions with a syntax like void Foo(Bar* x) = {0x3F3C, 0x0037, 0xA88F};. That's not standard C, right?
 
I don't think so
 
@bamboon no, I need one key to many things.
 
@zneak ask on SO and farm rep
 
@rubenvb Then std::map<key, std::vector<value>>?
 
2:27 PM
I'll try that
 
@rubenvb but the many things are supposed to be sorted?
 
@bamboon well, unique at least to not shoot myself in the foot.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb So std::map<K, std::unordered_set<V>>?
 
@Xeo Yeah, I guess so. Thanks.
 
@DeadMG LOL. Bottleneck in raw VBO recalc was apparently in... C++ code, not in CPU->GPU transfer
I'll launch VTune on Debug
 
2:37 PM
But first I need to be able to parse a part of a file twice, and maybe at the same time.
 
is the cout object constant?
 
@Pawnguy7 no. It has internal state like error flags and output flags.
 
user784668
@rubenvb No, I like my builds more.
 
user784668
I even have libstdc++ compiled with LTO!
 
@Fanael and do you see a difference?
 
2:38 PM
gcc 4.8 RC was released today
 
user784668
@rubenvb In size, yes.
 
@Fanael libstdc++ DLL is what... 0.98MB?
 
user784668
@rubenvb When static linking.
 
user784668
Hello world is not 700 KB anymore.
 
user784668
I see it as a workaround for no --gc-section for COFF in binutils.
 
2:40 PM
that's not very relevant in the real world though, is it?
 
Are call local variables *allocated at the start of the function, or was that javascript?
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 what?
 
Can I copy an istream with all its internal state?
 
@rubenvb no
 
user784668
@rubenvb Manually, perhaps?
 
2:42 PM
but I should be able to seekg to another stream's tellg?
 
Well, I was trying to remember if, for example, declaring an std::string in a while loop is bad, as opposed to before the loop. I think in one language, all function local varaibles are actually declared at the start, and thus not continually allocated.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb It doesn't make sense to copy a stream.
 
@Xeo It makes sense to me currently. I'm trying to parse a certain part of a file twice. So I'd make a copy of the istream, and just move on. But no, C++ is codeblocking me again.
probably with good reason though.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb No, conceptually it doesn't make sense to copy a stream
 
user784668
@rubenvb load the file, do whatever you want?
 
2:45 PM
IT LIVES! IT'S ALIVE!
 
user784668
@MartinJames while("elvis lives")
 
Xeo
@rubenvb Why not just save the tellg somewhere, and when you want to read that part again, tellg the current position and seekg back again?
 
@Xeo I might like to parallelize the double parse later.
 
user784668
@rubenvb then worry about that later, YAGNI anyone?
 
Xeo
Welp, load it into a string
 
user142019
2:48 PM
Ohai.
 
@Xeo that would mean parsing to find out where the string ends.
 
Xeo
Open the file twice for reading, then
 
@Xeo that's what I'm going to do now.
 
@Zoidberg Greetings, *extraterrestrial crustacean.
 
user142019
@Pawnguy7 Seemingly, humans are so bad at humor.
 
2:52 PM
@Pawnguy7 extraterrestrian. Extraterritorian is FUE (Fucked Up English) for "foreigner".
 
I thought the spellcheck was for that, apparently it wasn't :D
 
user142019
How the hell can a spell checker do that.
 
user142019
It doesn't know about Zoidberg.
 
user784668
Omit a word from the dictionary? Why not Zoidberg?
 
I tried spelling extraterrestrial, apparently not correctly.
I didn't know extraterritorian was a word, actually :D
 
user142019
2:55 PM
Yes, but how can a spell checker know that Zoidberg is an extraterrestrial. It can't, so it suggests extraterritorian.
 
@Pawnguy7 me neither :P
 
No... I thought of it after you pointed me to the article on Zoidberg: but when typing it, I made a typo on extraterrestrial, and spellcheck changeded it to something which looked correct at a glance.
 
Oh, it's just a perfect day! My new ISP DNS etc. has not failed once. My embedded stuff builds..it works! England v Wales on big screen at club, which is opening at 16:30...beer! The Wifi there is fixed so I can troll Loungers with stupid posts from my laptop re. their horrible build systems, dubious templatery, exploding pointers and crap makefiles as I get pissed. My 'house of cards' post is still on the PHP board with 8 stars. Anne owes me a lift home later. Life doesn't get any better!
 
That would be a pretty impressive spellchecker if it did that though :D
 
what's another word for "static" in the context of shared/dynamic vs static libraries?
 
user784668
2:57 PM
@rubenvb hellless
 
What would you use the other word for?
 
@Pawnguy7 an enum member in C++, and as static is taken as a keyword, I'm screwed :)
 
user784668
@rubenvb Static, Dynamic.
 
user784668
NEXT!
 
2:58 PM
@Fanael goes against my snake_case. No-go.
 
Xeo
static_
Just deal with it. :)
 
lol
 
@rubenvb could it somehow be static_lib or something?
 
you guys are worthless.
 
That is what I keep being told :D
 
2:59 PM
@Pawnguy7 in the ideal case it would also link an application statically or dynamically.
maybe link_static and link_dynamic. Fucking C-style prefixing
 
user784668
@rubenvb What you makin', anyway?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Looks good. Although... why do you generate stone at the top?
 
@Pawnguy7 mountains!
 
user1357851
When the robot enters the room, he bumps into this and is heart broken because the puppy has chosen a pussy over him:
 
user1357851
3:01 PM
 
user1357851
afk
 
great, gdb master is broken.
 
@rubenvb C++ build system in C++. makes sense :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz That was my first though, but... pretty small mountains :D although, if in your version of minecraft, you make mountains that actually have snow peaks, you win.
 
user784668
@rubenvb What's wrong 7.5.1?
 
3:02 PM
@Pawnguy7 what do you mean snow peaks? the code that generates that is so simple you'll certainly get it
 
@rubenvb Do you have an example of how you want it to look?
 
@Fanael I normally build master cause it gets so little development.
 
I'm intrigued because I like qmake's syntax..
 
@Rapptz check the *.nectar.txt files in the source tree, and those in github.com/rubenvb/Xiph-Ambrosia
I have ogg, vorbis, and some flac stuff already written and functional.
 
@BartekBanachewicz As in, with minecrafts mountains, aka "extreme hills", - well, it would be cool if they were taller and had snow peaks, like real mountains. Where the global weather actually makes it snow.
 
3:04 PM
My interproject dependency handling is just marvelous :)
 
@Pawnguy7 I don't have any weather yet :P
 
@rubenvb oh hey that's pretty cool.
I love that style of syntax over make's
 
@Rapptz Thanks. I thought so too (obviously :P)
 
Xeo
Do you have automatic header-dependency checking within C++ projects?
 
You can specify external dependencies autotools style: --with-dependency_name[-[include|lib|bin|pkgconfig]][=location]
 
Xeo
3:06 PM
internal I mean
 
@Xeo No not yet. I think I do have the relevant commandline options for GCC/Clang and MSVC though to show included headers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well no, but you get what I mean. Snow peaks on mountains would just be sweet. Although while you are at it, the weather system IS a bit odd... not sure how to implement non global weather though.
 
@Pawnguy7 you mean just blocks of snow at the top?
 
@Xeo It's on the TODO list, although I admit it will be implemented later rather than sooner. I have object file->lib/app checking, so normal rebuilds are quick.
Unless you changed a header only, then you'll need to rebuild it all.
 
@BartekBanachewicz i.imgur.com/87WFzdb.png?1
But, in theory, where there is snow, there is snow biome, and thus with global weather, it snows.
 
Xeo
3:09 PM
@Rapptz With auto-rules, it's not that much different, is it? libfoo.a: libbar.a
 
@Xeo you'd still need to know what the magic compiler invocation is.
And where the lib was built to add it to the link command.
and add it in the right place.
etc....
 
@BartekBanachewicz Probably more of when (it is when, not if?) you develop a chunk system, and generating big things. Also, the stone... does normal mc have some sort of antialiasing?
 
antialiasing? hmm, dunno.
@Pawnguy7 yeah, "when".
 
@BartekBanachewicz Neat. I have many gripes with minecraft, one of them is speed... be glad to test if you need help.
 
3:13 PM
@Pawnguy7 How powerful PC do you have?
Because right now it requires "a bit" more for debug
anyway, time for octree. (finally!)
welcome big worlds.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, a 5+ year old laptop, with integrated video card, so... not so good in that department. I can run normal mc at, say, normal render - might get 15-20 FPS average, but it runs. On "tiny" it is pretty good though.
 
@Pawnguy7 then forget you'll even run it. It requires OpenGL 4.0
I might step that down, but as for now, sorry.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah. Bummer. On the bright side, this will make it faster?
 
@Pawnguy7 I don't know if this will, but I aim to make it faster than the original, yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I meant to say, would using a higher feature-set of openGL (more modern), make it faster, as in a comparison of <= 2.1 to 4? (I can run mc and I only get 2.1, so I know it is this or less).
 
3:18 PM
@Pawnguy7 OpenGL 4 isn't exactly "faster". It is more powerful and convenient, though.
 
user784668
lol opengl 4 for minecraft-like graphics
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have no idea. I heard it can be more efficient, such as in getting rid of direct-mode.
 
@Mysticial Of course.
 
@Fanael what's strange in that?
@Pawnguy7 direct mode was dumped in 2.0
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz 3.1
 
user784668
3:22 PM
Deprecated in 3.0
 
well, whatever.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It was? I am pretty sure I used it in 2.1...
 
anything older than 3.3 is ancient
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 tl;dr he doesn't know what he's talking about
 
@Fanael yea, we might be a bit off here.
anyway, newer OpenGL versions are simply better and I don't see a reason why I shouldn't use them
 
3:23 PM
What was the Khronos committee doing for ten years?
 
4.3 would be shooting myself in a foot, but 4.0 is supported on Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge, so...
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz because graphics cards
 
@Fanael buy better GPU.
It's not like I am selling this.
 
lol
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz My GPU handles everything I throw at it just fine, thank you. Unlike the Intel APUs.
 
3:25 PM
"I don't need users, screw you"
 
@Fanael Intel GPUs support 4.0 as of now.
support up to 4.3 is already planned
 
@Pawnguy7, yes, it's an orange by the way.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz My GPU doesn't, but it's way faster.
 
@Jueecy Ah. I asked this last night didn't I? Haha.
Figure out your design?
 
@Fanael that's very cool it is faster with a program that won't even run
way to go.
 
user784668
3:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it's faster in real world games, you moron.
 
Yeah you did. :)
 
user784668
Ah, wait. You're the guy who thinks everyone should buy Intel's compiler because you have for free.
 
@Fanael I don't really see the point of comparing performance, if even sheer numbers show that IGD graphics are just slower
 
I'd say the only reason to not use higher openGL is... well, they came out with 3 in what, 2008? For some reason that does not feel like it was five years ago... but how well supported is it?
 
Even the Ivy Bridge GPUs have like, 26 processing units?
no wonder they are slower
 
user784668
3:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Because performance is the thing that matters? Y'know, 20 FPS at low details vs 60 FPS at high?
 
@Fanael why don't you compare, say, 620M and 670GTX?
that makes about the same sense
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Because why would I? You're making a claim that I should buy an inferior GPU, so I'm comparing the GPU I have to the ones you proposed.
 
@Fanael Well, no. I am making a claim your GPU sucks more than Intel card, when it comes to running any OGL 4.0 app
3 mins ago, by Fanael
@BartekBanachewicz it's faster in real world games, you moron.
So try running OGL 4.0 game.
Also, Haswell GPUs are way faster.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Do you know what real world is?
 
What GPUs don't support OGL4?
 
3:30 PM
@Fanael ah, I forgot that real world developers don't use OGL4. Sure.
@rubenvb Fanael's one.
 
well, which GPU is it?
 
@rubenvb mine
 
as in, is it worth considering as outdated...
 
Something below 400 series
so yeah, outdated
 
ugh NVidia numbering sucks
 
3:32 PM
because IIRC all 400+ got 4.0
 
what's that in AMD series?
 
@rubenvb at least it's consistent
@rubenvb how the fuck should I know? :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz uh, no. AMD is a lot more consistent from where I'm sitting.
 
Let's see
 
A 78** is always faster than a 77**
 
3:32 PM
 
Okay, let's see
 
IIRC, NVidia has crazy suffixes that boost 420's past 460's.
 
GF 1,2,3,4,FX5k,6k,7k,8k,9k,100, 200,300,400,500,600,700
@rubenvb what.
 
@rubenvb Not if they're grounded.
 
3:33 PM
@MartinJames what?
 
@rubenvb that's something totally untrue.
 
Mine barely supports OGL3
 
@BartekBanachewicz figure of speech. At least the number wasn't the whole story.
 
@rubenvb no, it is the whole story
maybe you are mixing Mobile versions with Desktop?
because in that case, desktop 620 can be faster than 660M
but that's pretty obvious.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Proves his point exactly.
 
3:35 PM
@Fanael no, it doesn't prove anything. These are distinct series.
mobile are mobile, desktop are desktop
 
@BartekBanachewicz no I must be mistaken. But so are you on the AMD side.
 
@rubenvb "But so are you on the AMD side." ?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz You don't say.
 
@BartekBanachewicz their numbering is equally consistent
 
@rubenvb yeah. So I didn't get "nvidia numbering sucks"
Back to topic, 400 series get 4.3
 
3:38 PM
Do all consoles besides Xbox use openGL?
 
isn't 4.0 something like DirectX11?
 
yeah.
@rubenvb more or less, yea
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 PS3 doesn't. While you can use OpenGL, many games prefer to directly mess with the GPU.
 
@Fanael PS3 supports OpenGL ES
 
HRUIWHFIEIFNWOF(FWEFW)WJFB!
 
3:39 PM
@Jueecy that looked like his signature
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz "While you can use OpenGL" learn2read ffs?
 
@Fanael API-less access to the GPU? How does that work?
 
@Pawnguy7 vendor-specific API prolly
 
@Fanael how about you chill out a bit?
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 at the lowest level, it's *(int*)MAGIC_ADDRESS = 5;
 
3:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, a wonderful name
 
How would I go about finding supported D3D version? dxdiag claims DirectX 11, but not sure about D3D.
 
@Pawnguy7 it's the same thing, no?
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 in dxdiag display->drivers->feature levels
 
Ell
are We doing gl vs dx again?
 
user784668
@Ell no
 
Ell
3:42 PM
Or is it nvidia vs AMD?
 
user784668
@Ell neither
 
Ell
Oh xD
 
@Ell it was more "is OGL 4.0 supported widely"
 
Ell
It is isn't it?
 
the only valid way to see that is Steam's hardware stats
 
3:43 PM
@Ell apparently that isn't so obvious for everyone
 
Ell
My card supports 4.1 I think
 
@Fanael I don't get a drivers tab, nor see feature levels in display
 
Ell
Well at least 4
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 drivers is a groupbox and feature levels is a label
 
I was not doing Dx vs OpenGL, I was just wondering, if I get 2.1 openGL, but D3D version 11 (checking if I have it), is near 4.0... well, it kind of sucks.
 
3:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, does "widely" include Macs? Because Macs are restricted to 2.3.
 
If we equate DX10 to OGL 3 and DX11 to OGL4 (which is pretty much what vendors make it out to be), we have less than 50% OGL4: store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
 
@Jueecy what. not true again.
 
Again?
 
whatevs.
 
@Fanael I have the groupbox, but not that label. I do have a DirextX features groupbox though.
 
user784668
3:45 PM
@Pawnguy7 dunno then
 
Has direct3D acceleration as enabled, but no version.
 
Doesn't Win7 have some software form of DX11?
 
@BartekBanachewicz, ok maybe 3.x but surely not 4.x.
 
@Jueecy that's better. They are updating slower, that's all
 
Although, if the directX version is the same as the direct3D support it comes with, it is 11.
 
3:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, to be pedants 3.x is 90% supported because some functionality are not directly available, you have to call the ARB_ extension instead.
 
Wow, more Steam users have Microsoft Works installed than Google Chrome...
 
that says an awful lot about Steam statistics
 
@BartekBanachewicz is that so surprising? It comes preinstalled on a bunch of OEM PCs...
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz that says an awful lot about average users* FTFY
 
@rubenvb oh, I didn't know.
@Fanael ... of Steam.
 
3:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz which is most people who use their PCs to do fun stuff.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz yup, but then again, many gamers are average users.
 
@rubenvb define "most".
because last time I've checked, most was solitaire/mahjong office players
 
user784668
 
very funny.
 
Quick Q: with Visual Studio 2012, what is the project file? I see no .vxproj.
 
3:51 PM
@Pawnguy7 .vcxproj?
 
Ah.
That was odd. I had this project in a folder named "Pong." There was a .snl file in that directory, and the project file in a "Pong" folder within. This is what I get for using the same Pong folder from a previous project...
 
@BartekBanachewicz more than half.
 
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
because last time I've checked, most was solitaire/mahjong office players
 
Are the filters and users files needed to open it?
 
3:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that does not fall under "fun".
 
user784668
@rubenvb define fun
 
@rubenvb ah. I should ask you to define "fun" instead
 
My definition: not solitaire.
 
user784668
C++ y u no auto func() { return foo; }
 
what is foo?
 
user784668
3:56 PM
@Pawnguy7 Some foo.
 
@Pawnguy7 placeholder name
@Fanael C++14
 
@Fanael install gcc 4.8 and add option -std=c++1y
 
@BartekBanachewicz playing real games, not facebook flash crap or ... minecruft
 
user784668
@bamboon Already installed.
 
@bamboon no way, really?
 
3:57 PM
@rubenvb are you aware of the minecraft player numbers?
 
@rubenvb yup
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not really. I am aware of life though.
 
@rubenvb Also, define "real game" then
 
@bamboon cool stuff.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz unreal
 
3:58 PM
also, terrible pun.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I just did. If you cannot see the clear line I drew you need to start playing good games.
 
user784668
@rubenvb protip: he's writing a minecraft clone.
 
@rubenvb so a real game is anything that isn't flash, on facebook or minecraft, correct?
 
@BartekBanachewicz or comparable in design.
 

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