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9:04 PM
Apparently I did get someone POed. stackoverflow.com/questions/12444723/…
 
@Srle Somehow I think what I said just before your message applies here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is hard to reconcile with that fact :)
 
If you need to set pointers to null in the destructor of the objects that own them in order to avoid double deletes you have bigger problems. Basically, your objects don't have a well-defined lifetime or ownership, and instead of curing that, you're hiding the symptoms. (And did someone mention that this class violates the rule of three?) — R. Martinho Fernandes 3 mins ago
 
@Srie: The first answer to that question on tight vs. loose coupling showed something typical. The code with tight coupling is smaller. Smaller is better, right? Oftentimes, wrong. Change one simple interface and that tight coupling means that you have to change a whole lot. There's an initial price to pay for loose coupling, but it is usually well worth it.
 
sbi
@Etiennede, have you ever been to the Fukyu?
 
9:10 PM
@sbi To the what?
Oh. No, never been there.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel I just read that this is a sushi restaurant in Montreal that has to change its name, because the neighborhood disapproved of it.
 
Do people not know how to pronounce it? It's not pronounced "Fuck you"
 
foo-kyu?
Or "hoo-kyu"?
 
foo-kyu
 
i think its hoo-kyu
 
9:14 PM
F's in Japanese are funny. They can be either "F" or "H" with a back-of-the-throat sound.
 
Does it matter? People with small minds will either take offense, those with more humorous minds will snicker. Neither response is what the owners of the restaurant want. They want the customers to like the food, not dislike the name.
 
People can be so easily offended. Silly people.
 
If someone takes offense to Fukyo then I think they're fucking stupid.
 
whatever happened to a database???
silly PHP people.
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@DavidHammen Well, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
 
9:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, there very much is bad publicity.
Its just rare.
 
Anyway, most people are not directly offended by that, they're offended because they think others around them might be offended.
 
One has to be out of his mind to store 100mb of data in a PHP file as opposed to a DB
 
Still, Côte-des-Neiges is mostly inhabited by immigrants and students.
 
@Borgleader You must be out of your mind to code PHP.
 
Haha true true
 
9:22 PM
 
folks
 
cicada
 
hi der
 
how are ya?
 
Batarnack.
 
9:27 PM
Pretty dead, how's u
 
First the muslims are rioting. Now the Chinese are rioting against the Japanese.
 
wut?
I'm alive
 
What is wrong with the world lately?
 
dafuq?
 
Awesome then! I have a question for you smart people.
 
9:28 PM
ask away
 
We do agree that inline may have an effect on the compiler's behavior only when the implementation is visible across compilation units, right?
 
@TonyTheLion It's not a question for you, Tony.
 
That may have been too stingy.
@DeadCicada inline only means that all translation units (that need it) will see an implementation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
9:29 PM
@Rapptz I do not find that reassuring for some reason.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So a "classic" way of separating classes would not benefit from inline, right? "Classic" as in 1 class per .h and .cpp and you only include headers.
I mean, I've been sure about this for ages but
 
The compiler may inline without inline. There's link-time optimization now.
 
Wow... Amazing... People can post code that geta a Segmentation fault while GCC chokes on it for me ;-)
 
@EtiennedeMartel They get worse as you progress.
 
Yes I know but
 
9:31 PM
@Rapptz My god.
Burning japanese cars? What?
 
Does MSVC10 do LTO
 
What set off that riot?
 
Ok, now that's out of my league. I'll defer to the MSVC users around.
 
@TonyTheLion I have no idea.
 
9:33 PM
Judging from the text, they believe the Senkaku islands belong to them.
Which judging from the past, has to do with Japan being successful with the island's oil reserves.
 
@sbi I'm getting pinged by this.
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Well, giving you the name you gave yourself, you did ask for that, didn't you?
 
@Rapptz Maybe we (as in, anyone not Japanese nor Chinese) should nuke them and end this problem.
 
@sbi @s
Does @s work.
 
No. Plinking needs three characters.
 
9:34 PM
How convenient
JERRY IM DEAD
Lend me a coffin would you
 
Btw, I don't remember who linked to twitter.com/RealTimeWWII, but thanks. It's fun.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a bot right?
 
@Rapptz Think so. It's a project by one Alwyn Collinson.
 
@DeadCicada Dat pun.
 
Back to my question. If I have two classes that reference each other through headers (and are therefore compiled separately), all these classes methods are declared inline, and no LTO is performed: the compiler is just gonna drop the inline, right?
 
9:37 PM
inline is only taken as a suggestion by the compiler
 
@DeadCicada You can make inline declarations that are not definition?
 
I think yes, with a warning? Not sure?
I may be wrong there.
 
Well, I didn't know that.
GCC seems fine with it. I'll check the word from god.
> §3.2p4 An inline function shall be defined in every translation unit in which it is odr-used.
 
MSVC whines
 
MSVC is right.
Because it makes no sense at all.
 
9:40 PM
For once
Okay so my question makes no sense. Thanks :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ha! That's why it worked liveworkspace.org
 
good evening merry people
 
Woah, Konrad had a hair cut.
 
@TonyTheLion If at all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes True but the haircut from the picture is in fact ancient, I’ve had much shorter hair for years
 
9:43 PM
When I met Konrad IRL, he'd already had a hair cut. I think that other picture was out of date
 
inline means "every TU that needs this function will have a definition for it". Not including a definition kinda misses the point of that, which is why it's not allowed.
Also, I got it wrong above.
 
When I met Tony IRL, he wasn’t a lion
 
GCC warns (at all levels) if I use the function (my previous test didn't use the function I declared :S fail).
 
@KonradRudolph oh you gave away my disguise :P
 
(Same for @sbi. And I’m guessing that the same holds for @Cicada although I don’t know)
 
9:46 PM
@sbi was never a Lion though
 
Despite what my avatar shows, I'm not bald and I don't spend my days carrying fine looking young women in my arms.
 
he's an ape and a grumpy one at that
@R.MartinhoFernandes you only wish you could do that :p
 
@TonyTheLion They'd have to be quite on the light side for that to even be feasible.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Cicada is now @Dead.
 
Carrying 50 kilos is way too much for me.
 
9:48 PM
lol
 
@sbi Nonono. @Dead is @DeadMG.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph No, Cicada is @Dead, too.
 
But what triggered the @DeadCicada? Did somebody stomp on her?
 
DeadCicada, Rennes, France
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@KonradRudolph Nature took its course?
Aren't most insects quite ephemeral?
 
9:49 PM
@KonradRudolph I think it was the fury of @DeadMG's the other day.
 
I’m sad to hear that
What made her change her profile picture anyway?
 
ask her?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now that's philosophical.
 
@DeadCicada Wait, what? I was asking from a biological perspective.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph She did that every few months anyway.
 
9:50 PM
@KonradRudolph Everytime I come back to this room since the end of summer, Xeo somehome mentions my death and how cicadas die at the end of summer. So I tried not to disappoint him.
 
@DeadCicada my, what a morbid fellow.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph This was the last message under her old name, whereas this is the first as dead insect. I am sure you can figure it out.
 
Mayflies are called "ephemerals" in Portuguese.
 
@KonradRudolph I know, these germans are sooo weird.
 
| parent_authority = Rohdendorf, 1968 | taxon = Ephemeroptera | display parents = 3 | authority = Hyatt & Arms, 1891 }} Mayflies or Shadflies are an insect belonging to the Order Ephemeroptera (from the Greek ' = "short-lived", ' = "wing", referring to the brief lifespan of adults). They have been placed into an ancient group of insects termed the Palaeoptera, which also contains dragonflies and damselflies. They are aquatic insects whose immature stage (called "naiad" or, colloquially, "nymph") usually lasts one year in freshwater. The adults are short-lived, from a few minutes to a few...
 
9:51 PM
May I fly?
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Now, now. @Xeo is a singularity, not a multitude.
@TonyTheLion Only in May.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Éphémères in French.
 
@sbi Generalization is the best way to hurt people! Therefore it's my favorite tool.
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Yeah, you French are all terrific generalizers!
 
9:52 PM
damn
 
@sbi Every single one of us.
 
that whole "Everyone is DeadMG" thing looked like so much fun
and I wasn't even here for it
 
wait for it...
 
imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, you know
 
9:53 PM
@DeadMG quite funny that you missed it.
the irony
 
Btw @sbi, I finally got that keyboard of yours. It's awesome.
 
I think it was only me and the ape that didn't find it funny.
 
sbi
@DeadCicada What?
 
The Illuminated one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was very funny
 
sbi
9:53 PM
@DeadCicada Oh, right. I remember. I was recommending the Logitech illuminated one to you, right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I found it funny to watch, but not participate in.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm, three accents in one word. I'm going to replace "élève" as my favourite example of how terrible accents in French are with "éphémère".
 
Délétère.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are actually pretty logical
 
@KonradRudolph I know, but try typing "élève".
 
9:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes was that for me?
 
there are languages with worse accent habits
 
@TonyTheLion Dammit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We have a keyboard layout which makes typing this kind of words easy.
 
Ell
English is le bomb
 
9:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that highly depends on the keyboard layout then
 
@sbi Yup.
àèéàèéàèéàèéàèéàèé
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Always handy with a destructive example, huh?
 
@Ell I would say its quality is that of a dud bomb.
 
@DeadCicada There isn't a single "è" in there.
 
@sbi she's dead now, she don't care
 
sbi
9:55 PM
@DeadCicada Ha, and you like it? I love it, too.
 
aeiouy
 
Ell
English always has a word for what I mean though
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Well, don't you think she faking being dead might have been one of the things triggering that remark?
 
@Ell saudade
 
You keep using that word...
 
9:56 PM
@sbi "Fuck" is a nice example of such a word.
 
@KonradRudolph :)
 
@DeadCicada AZERTY keyboards are shit.
 
@sbi "dead".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Depends for what.
 
sbi
9:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Um. Yes. That gave her too much credit, didn't it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes they suck epically!
 
They're annoying for coding indeed. The placement of {} is so annoying.
 
AltGr+7/8?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was going to say, it’s the only word I know. But I remembered tons of German loan words just now.
 
sbi
9:57 PM
@DeadCicada Did you just reply to the wrong message?
 
@TonyTheLion Yes
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's 7/0 here. :(
 
@KonradRudolph I've heard no other language has a word for "saudade". I lack the knowledge to claim it as fact, but I claim it anyway because it's cool :) "My language is bigger than yours"
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Indeed.
 
9:58 PM
@sbi Oh, right, that's what I meant.
AltGr+8 is [
 
alright gotta go for a bit. The wife will be home and I gotta vaccum the carpets before she gets here.
 
have fun :P
 
yep
 
That's a good husband.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That’s what the ex claims, as well. There are tons of translations but they always capture only specific aspects
 
sbi
9:58 PM
He sucks (the carpet clean).
 
I vacuumed my carpets yesterday
 
@Chimera Hmm, what have you done to the carpets!
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nuffink yet. That's the problem.
 
sbi
9:59 PM
lol
 
@KonradRudolph Oh ex. Gosh seems everyone in the lounge is ex-ing lately.
 
Ell
Hmm saudade is one of the few words actually. Good example :D
 
@sbi Sluuuurp.
 
That's what she sa - no wait.
 

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