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10:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. Seems I missed a whole lot of “fun”
 
Is that a new picture of you, Konrad.
 
sbi
@DeadCicada If all you require of a husband to be a good one is to vacuum the carpets once in a while...
 
where's that polar bear?
 
@sbi I'd buy a BOSCH then.
 
@DeadCicada I don’t steal other people’s pictures – so, yes.
@TonyTheLion the bipolar bear?
 
10:01 PM
@KonradRudolph Looking good. What's that black circle thing.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, the German word for vacuum cleaner and for vacuuming translates into sucking cleaner/suck, respectively.
 
I have nothing interesting to say.
 
@TonyTheLion Seconded.
 
@DeadCicada It's a black circle.
 
@DeadCicada UV filter of a camera lens – I’ve been playing with my old SLR camera recently
 
10:02 PM
Also, can you please put question marks in questions.
 
Why would I.
 
Ell
@tonythelion sure you do
 
Cause Grammar Nazis
 
I've been experimenting with not putting question marks on questions I don't want answered.
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Yeah, that's what I got here, too. Simple, but durable — basically the opposite of a wife.
 
10:03 PM
The cat doesn't do it either so.
 
What does the cat do?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Lick himself clean.
 
@sbi Stop smashing them and they'll last.
 
Facepalm
 
10:03 PM
Wut.
 
The cat doesn't use question marks.
 
sbi
@DeadCicada Smashing is for insects, not for wives.
 
@sbi How about wives.
 
Nothing to see here.
 
sbi
10:04 PM
Oh well. It's past midnight here, so I'm allowed the occasional brainfart.
 
What a lame excuse.
 
Ell
Exes ruin the world!
 
Yea cause Robots don't have brainfarts
 
Xerxes did too, for a while.
 
sbi
10:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Remember, I gotta get up early. And when I say "early", I mean either before six or half past six.
 
I hate that library. It's full of raw pointers
@sbi That is early
 
uuh. :) Naked pointers
 
Cook them till they're not raw anymore.
 
@KonradRudolph yea I'm not really into pointer porn
 
sbi
How typical for a girl. All she can think of is cooking.
 
10:06 PM
Here we go.
 
I'd rather have clothed_ptr
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@TonyTheLion Pointer porn. That's quite an apt description.
 
@sbi I detect a subtle trolling attempt.
 
@DeadCicada lol
 
Subtle? Really?
 
sbi
10:07 PM
@DeadCicada If a troll hits you at 80km/hr, then that is not a "subtle trolling attempt". It's a smash.
 
That looked quite blatant to me
 
Congratulations on missing my irony.
 
sigh … so many levels on meta
 
@sbi I can see the headlines: Detritus steps on Cicada. Cicada dies
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@KonradRudolph I'm a bit disappointed :(
 
Ell
10:08 PM
Is it just me that finds trolling mostly tedious?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes someone already stepped on her.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Detritus doesn’t step on anything. He simply cocks the Peacemaker
 
@Ell you're doing it wrong then
 
@TonyTheLion She's a roach. It's not like she can die easily.
 
sbi
Those girls, you know. They do irony once, and if everybody jumps on and answers ironically, they are "oh noooo, you haven't even noticed!"
 
10:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ow.
 
@sbi I smell the butthurt.
 
I smell the butter.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, so many pterry fans here!
 
Buttersmith
 
Isn't that Jewish?
 
10:09 PM
Ew, I hope not.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph "Cocks the Peacemaker"? Ahem.
@DeadCicada I smell a dead insect.
 
Should note: I'm aware people still USE Movable Type, who have used it for years. I'm surprised there are new iterations of it, is all.
 
We're going to have to settle that in the ring, people.
 
For a moment there, I though @scalzi was a C++ programmer.
 
10:10 PM
@sbi cock, verb. /käk/ 1. Tilt (something) in a particular direction
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is he referring to anyways?
@DeadCicada pwnd
 
sbi
@DeadCicada How cute! Aunt May!
 
lol
 
@TonyTheLion Him being a writer, I suppose it's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movable_type
 
sbi
10:11 PM
@KonradRudolph Now you're trying to wiggle out of it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how I failed to think of Google. :/
 
@sbi Not trying.
 
sbi
Rather than returning a snide remark, the insect just lol'd. I think I should count that as an achievement, and call it a day.
 
Whatever floats your goat.
 
sbi
I can sleep in until 6:30 tomorrow today. I'd better use that time.
 
10:15 PM
I'm doing a C++ practical. It's so weird and intricate I don't even understand what it does.
 
well that's no good now, is it.
 
I don't know. Half of the variables are static. Plethora of new, not a single delete. Why not.
 
@sbi Have fun.
Fuck it, I'm searching for an old e-mail and I can't find it.
 
Not good
 
Reboot into the google!
 
10:18 PM
I'm hungry and I've run out of food. :(
 
@TonyTheLion At 11pm?
 
I've heard that story before.
 
it's so irritating when everyplace, ever, is shut
 
Wait, it was only five years ago that I went through the same.
 
My flatmate lowered the power of the fridge. So the temperature rose. I LOST ALL MY CHEESE.
 
10:19 PM
@DeadMG what's so abnormal about being hungry at 11pm
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, I thought it was only five hours ago that you said basically the same thing.
 
@DeadCicada Fuck, man. Cheesicide? That's declaration of war right there.
 
The only thing I remember about that e-mail is that it has an attachment. Searching has:attachment on my mail box returns "many" results, according to GMail. ARhgsujhrgre.
 
@DeadMG I know dude. I'm so mad at him right now I'm trying to find something nasty and vicious to get my revenge.
Cheese is expensive. And delicious.
 
10:22 PM
I love cheese
Hmmm
yum yum
 
right
now, dafuq am I writing for my skills matrix again?
 
wrong
not again.
go read the transcript :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you remember why it's important, perhaps you should search for that.
 
@DeadMG I know there's nothing in the body of the e-mail. Doesn't really help.
 
sbi
@DeadMG "If you remember why it's important, perhaps you should search for that."
 
10:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about searching for attachment and sender?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes And I'm not going to have fun, I'm going to sleep!
Night!
 
night!
 
@sbi Pro.
 
@sbi Sleep well.
 
@sbi Again, the poor ape wrongly thinks the two are mutually exclusive.
@TonyTheLion I tried whom I thought was the sender, but it appears I got that wrong.
 
10:26 PM
hmmm
that's hard then
 
u guize wanna read my current cv?
 
yea
bring it on.
 
Sure.
 
okay kids, where I am it’s time for bed
 
GNight
 
10:29 PM
Same here!
 
Good night everyone.
 
btw, the real version has links to the projects/achievements, but they didn't paste over properly
 
oh, travelling
 
10:31 PM
> Checkout Assistant - operated a checkout for company in town.
this is not relevant to the job you're trying to get
I don't know that it helps putting that on there
 
very true, which is why I cut it in the first place.
but google recruiter said, put it on
 
no employer looking for a developer wants to know about their experience operating a checkout
 
It's like I said about how working at McDonalds helps you in your current situation.
 
@DeadMG really? Funny.
perhaps it's just the idea that you've worked some job already
 
I actually did a lot of hours at that job
 
10:33 PM
Can you seriously not add any other language to your skills list?
 
9 hours on saturday, 4 on sunday, on top of doing school.
 
@DeadMG If they want a "complete employment history" (never mind that thats what the application form they will give you after they make you an offer), then list it and (obviously) no technical projects with it.
 
I mean, that really narrows your searches
 
I can add C# to the list, I guess, and Java
 
You forgot to put C#. You said you used it for a project.
 
10:34 PM
yes, I used it at university
 
@DeadMG I think that it's a good idea to add. It broadens your range of potential jobs
because as someone with no professional experience yet, you will have to take mostly what you get offered
and if that means some Java for a while, then so be it. Meanwhile you look for something else
finding a job while you already have one is much easier
 
You're also ranked #160 now. Not #161.
 
@Rapptz Wincakes. Fuck you, whoever used to be #160, I win.
 
also, how many websites have you registered your CV on?
 
yeah, a job doing Java would be much worse than no job at all
 
10:36 PM
2 isn't enough, you need to put it all over
 
yeah
 
what I'm really looking to expand is the Skills section
 
monster.co.uk is good
 
I got the feeling from Google recruiter that there was supposed to be quite a lot there
 
10:37 PM
I've got quite a lot there
 
don't I have a copy of your CV?
 
I hope google's interviewing has improved. I interviewed with them once and they wanted me to effectively quote man pages. Isn't that what google is for?
 
It was Chimera's, IIRC
 
@DeadMG I don't know
 
They found me a year later and tried pretty hard to get me to interview again. I wasn't interested and declined.
 
10:39 PM
@DeadMG this is the stuff I've got listed on mine
 
right
so I want to indicate relative proficiency
 
yes, it helps
 
C++, C, and Lua, I can grant myself a nice high score
 
also list what source control software you've used
companies like to know that
 
@Rapptz I did post a link to mine.
 
10:41 PM
They're basically the same though.
 
not strictly necessary, since I have links to my bitbucket account, which is Mercurial, so if you were to look, then you could see it.
 
oh ok
 
@Chimera Yep, I know. I just wasn't sure if that's what he was talking about.
 
@TonyTheLion Really?
Wow.
 
@Rapptz Yeah I don't know what the conversation was about I just got back from vaccuming the carpets
 
10:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have been asked quite a few times in interviews which I had experience with
 
Watching some LeMans racing.
 
oh, I want to put down that it's Microsoft toolchain
 
oh nice, racing :)
 
I've used svn, git, hg, vss, and tfs, but I don't really see how that would help anything.
 
@TonyTheLion yeah, fun to watch
 
10:43 PM
These recruiting people think in weird ways.
 
TFS sucks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you've got experience in the one that company interviewing you is using, that's one thing less you have to learn on the job. I guess that's the viewpoint
I've used git, svn and vss
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It also says you understand the concept -- regardless of what tool they are using. (Of course, as said, if you know the tool already, thats even better).
 
I've used git and hg :|
 
so the question is
do I rate my C++ knowledge as 8/10 or 9/10?
 
10:49 PM
11/10, since you know C++11.
:P
 
haha
 
@DeadMG Put it as close as you think you are. They'll have a different idea of what each number had than you, but if you say 9 and they think 7, then you over-rated yourself.
 
@DeadMG Don't do an out of 10 scale.
 
well, I'm pretty confident that they can't ask a core language question that I can't answer
 
@Rapptz Yeah, the out of X scale is pretty horrible.
 
10:51 PM
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Q: C++ Assignment Array Operation

user1676326Here is an assignment for C++ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iF9YQlF7BHsRx8YwAmLmNkWgqQMi9X6YW_FkcW0JiDY/edit

^^ Seriously?
 
and most of the common libraries too
 
@Mysticial Just clicked on it.
 
@DeadMG Don't. It comes off as arrogant.
 
@DeadMG I like Tony's proficiency chart a lot better. A-C.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Unless they insist you do it. Hate when they do that.
 
10:53 PM
I just say I have C++ skills. If you want to evaluate me, my evaluation is worthless. If you want to trust my evaluation, I'm not sure I want to work with you.
 
@JonathanSeng Well, then you can basically answer that there is no way you can accurately rate your knowledge of something as large and complexe as C++ (and imply that anyone who claims otherwise so it talking out of his ass).
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I get that. But I don't want to simply list C++, I want to indicate that I'm quite proficient at it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Been there. "Well, it will help us evaluate you and prepare for your interviews."
@EtiennedeMartel I agree, but this gets into knowing when to walk away from an interview and such.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's good that they have a precognition about your proficiency.
 
I don't care.
I wouldn't be applying if I didn't think I was good.
 
10:55 PM
So, avoid if you can, but if they insist, you have to decide whether its worth walking away because they are playing games, or do what they say.
 
so you guys think I should just list it as a skill and walk away?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are a much better person than many. Many apply to everything indiscriminately.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes problem is, people that suck at it, say the same
 
@DeadMG Yes. The purpose of the interview is to ascertain how much you know. Don't invite the problem.
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, I know. That's one more reason my evaluation is worthless.
 
10:56 PM
There are multiple scales: years doing X, rate out of Y, text description.... They are all kinda pointless. Tell what you did on a project in your resume, and talk more at length with them.
 
@TonyTheLion Basically, "if it doesn't set me apart from those that suck, why should I put it on my CV?" is my main guideline.
 

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