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18:00
I'm pretty sure this is unsafe, let alone hard to comprehend (at least for me)
@Borgleader In fact, I have just demonstrated how unsafe it is.
You confirmed my suspicion. One upvote to you :)
@DeadMG Someone said google hasn't found a good way to vet candidates. They rely mostly on referrals.
@Chimera Was an article on it recently.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can now fold over tuples, for the greater good.
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18:02
Well good luck @DeadMG, sounds like it's going well at this point.
@DeadMG if you get the job, what will you do with your free time to do whatever project you want?
@DeadMG I think I will apply for a job at Google just for the lulz someday :)
lol
@Chimera Dunno.
@FredOverflow Well, let's face it: three years working for Google would certainly spice up the old resume.
Google offers three year jobs?
no, I was implying that after I'd gained some experience, I might look around for other opportunities
18:09
@DeadMG Sometimes I downvote them.
I don't think I'm qualified to even apply at Google.
I mean, the Google Style Guide, that's really not how I want to be coding.
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I'm just a simple mechanic.
of programming
I don't think I'll ever be qualified to apply at google xD
@Borgleader Don't you know how to write a CV?
18:11
@Borgleader With that attitude, indeed.
yeah
you should learn from my example
I was born qualified to work at Google
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Well I landed an internship at Eidos but somehow I feel the bar for Google is even higher.
as far as I can tell
I think reality should be considered though. Some people just don't have the skill for some jobs... I'm not suggesting one should sell oneself short, but one should know his limitations, no?
the vast majority of game developers are Singleton-lovers who couldn't see good code if it rammed it's cock up their arse
18:13
@Borgleader What is Eidos again? Game company?
@Chimera Depends on the cost of attempting to exceed them.
What did you do there?
@DeadMG Oh I agree, work very hard to exceed your current limitations and always grow.
18:14
@Chimera If you apply for a job you're not qualified for, all you've lost is the time to search for it.
Can't talk about the project itself. But I was programmer, no area specifically just general programming.
@DeadMG That's true.
so arguably, when it comes to searching for jobs, the maximal way to go about it is basically to APPLY FOR ALL THE JOBS
I think my limitation right now is that I haven't finished school and/or haven't studied some of the more higher level CS stuff like compilers, advanced algorithms etc and suck at math.
I considered applying for the Microsoft compiler team once. But since I've never done a compiler for a non-trivial language, the chances of succeeding were practically zero.
18:15
I've never read the Google Style Guide
@FredOverflow all they can say is no
@Rapptz The Google Style Guide sucks.
no exceptions -> no RAII -> no modern C++ really
@DeadMG I apply for most jobs I see ( when I was looking ). I've only gotten one job from my resume being found. All have been from networking.
@Rapptz It's a huge pile of shit.
basically, they say "We remove all useful features of the C++ language".
But if you work at Google for a number of years, you should be set as long as you can leave with a few good references.
@DeadMG Google does?
18:17
yep
@DeadMG I can't bring myself to do that.
Fuck
you should read it someday
there's the usual boring "Use X file extension and Y indentation"
then there's "No exceptions" and "No C++11 features".
and a bunch of other insane shit
I'm reading it right now
Just got to the "No Exceptions" part
@DeadMG No exceptions? Might as fucking well write C then.
18:18
@Chimera Maybe Google even hands out rvalue references? ;)
@FredOverflow They sure don't use rvalue references :P
You could sneak them in your code without anyone noticing.
long and painful = 42;
They only allow int.
@FredOverflow Doesn't quite exactly work.
18:20
Each line of text in your code should be at most 80 characters long.
@LucDanton Have you tried it?
Am I expected to count every line lol
@FredOverflow Have you?
Well your IDE usually does the counting for you
18:22
In case it isn't obvious, long and is an rvalue reference to long.
Some actually display a line at the 80 character mark
@Rapptz Decent editors do that for you, automatically.
Haven't seen it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which begs the question: is there a job (in computing) you're not qualified for :)
@FredOverflow Wait... how does the and compile?
18:23
@Mysticial and is the same as &&
@FredOverflow I can't get over the fact that and/bitand don't match std::logical_and/std::bit_and.
@sehe Erm, why, yes.
@FredOverflow So it's being treated as a rvalue (or whatever value) declaration?
@DeadMG You mean, not explicitely. Because it is impossible to remove that from a compiler that implements it. Or do they require T(T&&) = delete and the like?
This seems like a good reference on rvalue references. I didn't know what it was, so I had to look it up.
18:24
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is a joke. Robot, and all
@sehe They don't use VS
I think I'm going back to school. At night after work during the week. Wish me luck.
7% battery remaining. I'll just plug in my charNNNNOOOOOOO!!!! #thechargerisinanotherroom
@sehe Oh.
@Mysticial long and means long&&, yes.
I haven't been in school since 91
18:25
@Chimera Have fun.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I hope so.
@Chimera This one is better ;-)
@R.MartinhoFernandes ? What's that got to do with things? I mean, VS seems to require std::move() in places the standard says it shouldn't be required... GCC/others should just auto-move with default-generated move constructors when, e.g. assigning from an temporary, no?
@sehe Not by default.
You just don't add -std=c++11 and no moves ever happen.
Only VS runs with C++11 features always on.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Huh. gcc 4.8 sure does? Isn't that the default?
18:26
@FredOverflow Christ, that is not an answer! It's a book! :-)
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can still get away with adding -std=c++0x ;)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok. Need to check my facts then
@sehe Not in 4.7. And I doubt they'll make it the default any time soon.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I must be mistaken with the transition from -std=c++0x to -std=c++11 then. Sorry
@Chimera Quick, flag it!
18:28
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@sehe FTR, my copy of 4.7.1 run with -std=c++11 as the default :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. maybe you mentioned it in chat and I misconnected the dotdotdots... Funadic!
Jul 18 at 18:03, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@FredOverflow I wonder if C++17 will have attack semantics.
lulz
@sehe I don't get it :(
You don't play enough games.
@FredOverflow It wasn't me. Btw, that's an awesome chapter you wrote there. i missed it when that happened, +1ed
18:31
move semantics, attack semantics
play more rts
"move zig",
I recognize that
I only play Solitaire and MadTV.
Or teleport semantics. Why move when you can teleport?
And why the fuck does FireFox underline "teleport" as misspelled?
Mmm. I play with my kids. Too little, even
@Mysticial Ah, damn, too slow.
18:33
Sometimes I play with my little programmer.
@FredOverflow What's that? A part of your personality, or your kid following the father's footsteps?
@sehe I would love to have a child, and teach him/her to program and play tennis, chess etc.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a part of my body ;)
18:35
You wouldn't understand as a robot ;)
@Mysticial Why are you on tumblr
@Rapptz I'm not. I was googling for "teleport firefox misspell".
Suuure.
wow, Afghan police officers turned on the troops training them. Shot and killed a couple British and a couple American troops. WTF. We maybe should just leave them be and let whatever happens, happen.
If it makes you feel better, teleport is a misspelling in chrome too.
18:37
For a sec, I thought I somehow borked my spell-checker when "teleport" got underlined in red. But I guess it's not my fault.
Except it tells me "telephoto" as a suggestion.
@Rapptz wtf...
You could add it in the dictionary
so fuckin' funny
18:37
Haha, FireFox underlines "FireFox" as misspelled.
failfox
user406009
Chrome > Firefox > Opera > Safari > IE
Opera's pretty good. IE is getting better. Chrome's getting worse.
the newer IEs really aren't that bad
and Chrome's taken a turn down shit creek recently
it's getting more and more buggy
18:39
Chrome sucks for watching videos.. especially flash.
I've never had a problem with that. It's probably your connection.
Or you could turn on HTML5 videos on YouTube.
I've been using FF years and it hasn't let me down. I don't see a reason to switch to Chrome.
Nah, it crashes altogether and gives me an annoying "oops..." message
Chrome's real advantage came when it was first released, and all the other browsers were winners of the "Shittiest UI of the year" awards.
now that they have Chrome-style UIs, it's now only fastest and most secure
@Borgleader I use both, neither have ever let me down. Konqueror on the other hand...
18:41
I have both as well. But I use FF 95% of the time
Chrome used to be pretty good at memory
Anyone ever used the Tor browser?
I remember how older versions of MS Word would mark obscenities as misspelled.
Tor is just Firefox.
?
Does Firefox provide the same functionality?
18:42
Tor uses Firefox as its browser of choice.
No. You connect to the Tor network.
do most browsers use the same rendering library?
Oh ok.
you're ugly
@DeadMG ?
Tor's Firefox comes with HTTPS Everywhere and NoScript though.
18:44
It isn't exactly secure though.
What
Tor's encryption is about as useful as MD5.
I was watching Continuum and found out that Tor doesn't provide complete anonymity.
@LewsTherin I liked Continuum. Why did they have to end the season without telling us what was in the message from the future? :(
Suspense. And I hate suspense.
It keeps viewers like us waiting for more ;)
18:46
Stargate: Continuum?
Nah, a new series.
Kinda detective sci fi
Finished my new language.
18:47
Ended up so much like C there's not much of a point to calling it a new language anymore.
man
there's "Bad", and then there's "I re-invented C".
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Laugh out loud
At least I can now compile C for my new virtual architecture.
Perhaps I should have just used LLVM.
love-em
18:50
@IDWMaster How big is it?
?
How big is "your language"? How am I meant to find that on Google :O
@LewsTherin Slightly larger than C.
Why did you write it?
Just figured I'd write a new VM for Windows so I can JIT Metro apps.
Then I figured I'd have to have some (simple) way of actually writing code for the thing.
18:53
I've heard Wide is going to render all other languages useless. :-)
Metro has no VirtualProtect
So it's impossible to do native JIT compilation
that's got to be incorrect
Or I guess they call it Windows 8 now
What's Wide?
They got sued over Metro
18:54
there's no way that Microsoft would be so stupid as to prevent JIT compilation
So they just call it Win8 now
@DeadMG You'd better believe it!
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Q: Is new JIT-ed programming language in windows 8 metro/winRT possible?

SeeRLets say I want to create a new programming language or use some language not supported by MS (Haskell, Java... whatever) but want to be able to code against windows 8 metro/winRT. I know that all apps in Metro UI are sandboxed. I know that I can program in native C++, so I assume that I can do ...

@LewsTherin A language a regular in this room is writing....
Only way around Microsoft's stupidity is to write a compiler+VM!
@Chimera Who's the "regular"?
@IDWMaster How long did that take?
@LewsTherin A few days (and long nights)
18:57
Are you serious? You must be really smart :O
Then I ended up with C
I've written harder lexars before
@LewsTherin DeadMG...
Anyways; I still think Microsoft made a bad decision
because a VM will never be as fast as native execution
But for now it's the only way around their stupid store policies
@Chimera Oh ok.
@IDWMaster I don't think performance is anywhere near as important as safety to them.
18:59
@IDWMaster Yeah, Windows 8 was a big cockup.
@Mysticial They're just asking for trouble -- someone will find a way around their automated validations one of these days and they'll be in big trouble
And to the vast majority of developers as well.

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