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1:00 PM
the pasted link was http://chat.stackoverflow.com/users/500104/xeo.
 
Xeo
@sbi Oh yeah, I was away the 7.-9. too
 
must be the oneboxing screwing with it
 
I think I fixed something that wasn't broken :(
I suck :(
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so, as far as I can tell, the two owners with the least messages/week is Luc Danton and Fred Overflow, who are <300
most are between 500 and 800, with the odd couple like me and robot above 1k
 
Didn't know you were a couple.
 
1:02 PM
an odd couple
 
so let's vote: Remove @Fred or @LucDanton?
@DeadMG that's odd :/
 
well, I think that it would make the ape happier
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion :O
 
thanks for starring my sucky statement earlier. That's a real confidence boost :/
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion We'll seize any and all opportunities to star self-deprecating messages.
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1:04 PM
Yes, I have learned this fact over the last 2 years I've been here
 
@TonyTheLion I actually hadn't noticed it. But now that I have, permit me to add my star.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion It seems you haven't.
 
Xeo
Robot, T isn't deduced as Z*
 
what a clusterfuck!
 
sbi
1:09 PM
@DeadMG What I am after is consistent rules that are applied consistently. If you feel like both of them should be kept as owners, then go ahead. I'd be fine with that. But I would want the rules to be changed to reflect that.
 
@sbi Ok. So the real question is do we, A), boot off the less-frequent European owners to make room for some NA owners, or B), strictly keep the most frequent, or C), just expand the list to make room for all.
 
Did I miss anything? Who are you guys kicking out?
 
@DeadMG I'm for A.
 
@DeadMG @jalf did A this morning! He booted himself to make space for Etienne to come on as a room owner
 
sbi
@DeadMG I am in favor of making (more) non-Europeans owners. There's some practical merit in that, even if they were here less frequently than some Non-Europeans.
 
1:12 PM
I'm in favor of A too
 
@sbi Jerry Coffin has more messages/week than Luc Danton or Fred Overflow, if you'd like to use that to measure activity.
 
Xeo
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close votes
 
I put "too localized" on the new one.
 
sbi
@DeadMG That is exactly the other problem I mentioned this morning: Once we're starting to add other users than strictly the most frequent ones, we are back to quibbling over who to add and who not to. IMO, @Jerry would be a very fine addition to the room owner list.
Oops. Wrong window.
 
Xeo
@LuchianGrigore It's = delete
no 'd'
 
1:14 PM
@Xeo I know, what on earth are you talking about? :"
 
@sbi lol
 
Xeo
:)
 
@sbi Depends on how you'd care to measure frequency.
previously we just used the frequent user's list, which is not very reliable, but if we instead used something like messages/week, it's numerical and more stable.
 
not a bad idea
 
sbi
@DeadMG We had a criterion for that, and even though the criterion was quite wacky, at least it was one.
 
1:17 PM
@sbi Indeed. I am proposing that we change it.
 
sbi
@DeadMG But it's not well-distributed geographically. And that was the issue.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG A problem might be that the messages/week only extend to the current and last week (and the median)
 
lets ask on Meta-Lounge<C++> ?!
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@sbi IMO we should stick with the rule that "candidates for ownership are the ones on the frequent users list", simply because it cuts down on noise dramatically
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion the only thing more meta than a template is a macro
so META_LOUNGE(C++)
 
1:18 PM
we don't have to argue over why person X should not be considered eligible, and whether person Y is better than person Z
 
sbi
@jalf Yeah. But the issue came up because there's merits in owners being distributed across time zones.
 
it has some wacky effects sometimes, but I don't really thinkt hat's a serious problem
 
@Xeo lol, you have a point
 
@jalf But we'd be back to our original problem- namely, that we have a lack of ownership during non-EU time zones
 
@sbi I know. But maybe that can be solved simply by having the owners be aware of it
 
1:19 PM
and we seem to be getting more and more NA-based regulars.
 
I've never thought of that as an issue. When it was pointed out, I added another American owner.
 
so we implement a rule saying: Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.
 
sbi
@jalf How so? When we Europeans are in bed, we tend to not to be aware of too many things.
 
@jalf it only recently became an issue
 
@sbi you don't need to be aware of it 24/7, but it should simply be something to keep in mind when evaluating the list of room owners
I've looked over the owner list many times without giving it a moment's thought that we were virtually all Europeans
So I didn't think to make room for an American
 
Xeo
1:21 PM
The problem with the frequent user list is, that even if we had a dozen NA users here, and they were all active, the moment the European regulars come on and the NA ones go off, the frequent user list will switch over completely (I think)
 
cause Europeans are awesome :) :P
 
A couple of European regulars (me, Xeo, Luc, the puppy, the Cat) used to have non-orthodox sleep schedules a few months back. It seems everyone got into a more orthodox schedule lately, though.
 
We could just raise the cap on room owners. Make it 15 instead of 12. I don't think there's any particular reason for the precise limit at 12 anyway, is there?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes This.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess, work.
 
1:22 PM
I thought it was to match the size of the frequent users list, but someone pointed out that only shows 10 users
 
sbi
@jalf Then we're back to "according to my gut feeling, that guy over there should be made a room owner, at the expense of this one here." Which would be all fine and well as long as everybody dismissed their ownership as easily as you did — which isn't the case.
 
@jalf there's 12 hours on the clock
 
So we could keep the current rules and just change the 12 to, say, 15
or 16
to pick a nice round number :)
 
Xeo
@jalf It was mostly at 12 because the frequent list shows 10 and we wanted some leeway, since if you don't write anything for a day or two you come off the list from that, and then write something again, you get on the list again
 
ok maybe if I gave up my ownership for a ' merkin to come in my place? I'm just a Lion, and I snooze most of the time anyways.
 
1:24 PM
honestly, I don't want to overthink this. The more formal the process becomes, the more a pain in the ass it is to enforce
 
Xeo
I'll have to see how much access to SO I got at my new work
 
sbi
@jalf I think it was a number we were already close to and felt comfortable with when we set up the rule. :) Also, it provided a bit of leeway over the fluctuating frequency list.
 
Xeo
But from the technical interview, it seems that it's not filtered / blocked :)
 
@sbi yeah, so we could raise it to 16 without creating any fundamental problems, I think?
as long as there's some kind of agreement on the number
 
we could go up to 15, say.
that would give us enough room to add jalf, jerry, and say, mysticial
 
1:26 PM
yea they're all good contributing members
 
sbi
@jalf "Note however, that we arrived at our current rule because I objected about being the only one doing the "unappreciated" work of mopping up after owners no longer regulars. If you put other rules into place, you should keep in mind that removing owners always causes friction and heat." (me, this morning) I'll gladly correct the "always" to "usually (unless it's @jalf)", but the issue remains.
 
fuck sake, still crapping on about this damn owner thing? does any one really have an issue with those who are and are not owners?
 
pparently
 
2 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
ok maybe if I gave up my ownership for a ' merkin to come in my place? I'm just a Lion, and I snooze most of the time anyways.
this ^ help?
 
1:26 PM
@DeadMG but 16 is an even number, and a power of two ;) and makes room for the next guy to come along, so we don't have to discuss this every other week
 
Xeo
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close votes
 
well, here's another rule: if you won't relinquish ownership every once in a while, perhaps you deserve to lose it. ;)
 
Xeo
@jalf lol
 
I understand @sbi doesn't want to take the heat for enforcing it though. It is kind of unpleasant work no matter what
 
@Xeo Already deleted by owner.
 
Xeo
1:27 PM
aw
 
sbi
@jalf by this rule, I would deserve to lose it.
 
what if we made some math formula like: room--owners = log(no of regulars)
 
Hi guys!
 
@sbi Most of us would :)
 
sbi
@jalf I'm fully prepared to take any heat, as long as I have a set of unambiguous rules to point at.
 
1:28 PM
@sbi So? That's only a problem if you ignore the "perhaps" part and if we actually aim to be 100% fair
 
well, I think it can't be disputed that we have a lot more regulars now than previously, so perhaps it is fair and reasonable to introduce more owners.
 
I already said I'd voluntarily give up my room owner status, but no one seems to care.
 
And honestly? Screw fairness. This isn't a democracy, and being a room owner isn't all that special anyway. I see no reason to require room owners to be 100% fair
@TonyTheLion just do like me then ;)
 
@TonyTheLion You're free to do so if you want (we don't want to make owners by force), but that won't make up a set of rules :)
 
So, I see I'm back on the owner list.
 
1:29 PM
@TonyTheLion Ahem. Not that I don't care, but it wouldn't be helpful. Because it doesn't solve the problem at hand- namely that sbi wants to have a procedure to describe who the owners are.
 
I couldn't live without my magical ability to change topics.
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but as @DeadMG said, we just have more regulars now, so maybe we should just raise the owner limit
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yes, I care and I applaud to that. That would, however, the issue is whether we increase the number. If we do this, your laudable effort isn't necessary.
@EtiennedeMartel Follow to the Feed message on the starboard and look at the one preceding that.
 
Room owner status is largely useless and I fail to see why anyone would care.
 
perhaps we can go for some sort election process?
 
1:31 PM
@sbi Oh my. @jalf sacrificed himself for me? Woa.
 
@CatPlusPlus exactly. People make it out to be such a big deal. I kind of understand @sbi because I half think of this as his room in the first place. But really, for practically everyone else, it's just not a big deal
 
perhaps for just a few spots?
 
Yes, let's form the Council of Lounge.
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@thecoshman anything but that
 
@CatPlusPlus But I think we should care about having owners here during European nights.
 
1:31 PM
the only person I know of who seems to be so bothered is Johannes
 
Unless you want to create drama, disagrement, splits, lobbying and factions
 
We'll elect Lounge Kings for bimonthly terms with STV.
 
@CatPlusPlus STV?
 
@CatPlusPlus Proportional representation!
 
1:32 PM
Ok, let's split up the owners into Loungeocrats and Loungiblicans.
@thecoshman Voting software.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and Monster Raving Loungers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Definitely a Loungeocrat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh fancy
 
Voting system.
 
sbi
@DeadMG That would only be helpful if we consider room ownership as a right to be granted to a certain percentage of the citizens. I, however, tend to think of it as a task force to keep the room desirable.
 
1:32 PM
Single Transferable Vote.
 
@thecoshman AMAGAD that's so my party.
 
@CatPlusPlus ah
 
One software implementing it is called OpenSTV.
 
@sbi right well, when there's been a decision, and it requires it, I'll give it up. :)
 
sbi
@DeadMG ISTR Alf also being very pissed off at least once.
 
Xeo
1:33 PM
Wah, afk
 
@DeadMG ¬_¬ you do know the UK has a 'Monster Raving Loony Party'... don't you?
 
@sbi Yeah, true.
@thecoshman One I've considered joining.
 
The rise of Loungialists.
 
@DeadMG yeah, but effort
 
lets just start an IRC channel and forget this room
 
1:34 PM
@CatPlusPlus Lounge Monarchism!
 
so does anyone have a better idea than this: "stick to current rules, but raise the owner limit from 12 to 16"?
 
we're far more in control that way
 
¬_¬ does this mean we get to have lounge parties?
 
@jalf nope
 
@thecoshman Parties are cool. We should not forbid partying.
 
1:34 PM
@jalf The current rules really don't work for sixteen members.
 
I'm forming Pink Fluffy Unicorns party.
 
@jalf dictatorship, @Sbi on top
 
yap
 
sbi
@jalf Yes. There were at least two others on the table.
@thecoshman That gets my vote.
 
@sbi is the closest thing we got to a leader, it seems. When he speaks, everybody shuts up.
 
1:35 PM
@sbi which ones, and do people feel they're better?
 
We promise to keep image macros out and out.
 
@CatPlusPlus Unless they're funny.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Haha! What did you smoke?
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe because he says reasonable things, most of the time :)
 
otherwise, there's this: "@sbi owns the room, and can add/remove co-owners at any time as he damn well pleases"
 
1:35 PM
@jalf Also considered throwing off some of the lower-activity EU owners and appointing a couple NA owners.
there was a third... I just don't remember it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not lately. I noticed him yelling and it not having much effect
 
@DeadMG but that requires someone to figure out rules for how to determine that
 
sbi
@jalf The puppy had two more. One of them was a more elaborate process to include timezones.
 
@sehe Well, he's getting old.
 
:(
 
Xeo
1:36 PM
Guys, can you freeze the discussion while I'm away? :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel what do you think the battle of the bulge was all about? (fat joke)
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel You wish!
 
@jalf Too true.
 
sbi
@Xeo Nope. You gotta freeze in front of the monitor while we discuss.
 
Xeo
heh
 
1:37 PM
oh
the third was basically to just do nothing.
 
Xeo
So, my opinion's on increasing the number, for any votings that may happen
 
sbi
26 mins ago, by DeadMG
@sbi Ok. So the real question is do we, A), boot off the less-frequent European owners to make room for some NA owners, or B), strictly keep the most frequent, or C), just expand the list to make room for all.
Found it.
 
@Xeo lol, I've tried that many a time, it never works :P
 
x up if you want cat dictatorship.
 
1:38 PM
Cats are lazy and in general make poor decision makers.
 
@sbi A) or B) do me just fine
 
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@CatPlusPlus you mean catatorship
 
@sbi I'm opposed to (A) because it'd be a pain to enforce. The two others are ok with me, except I don't want to have a requirement placed on me to strictly enforce that rule at all times, so (B) is problematic
 
No, that pun is bad and you're bad.
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Feel bad.
 
1:38 PM
@jalf Well, B is basically do nothing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Cats are relaxed and always the boss around the house
 
And then there's (D): elect @sbi official room owner and have him pick as many helpers as he likes
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@CatPlusPlus yes, seeing I'm also a breed of cat :)
 
@sehe Only because their fluffiness projects an Anti-Brain Field that prevents us from taking over.
 
@DeadMG Except for the "strictly" part, which IMO implies that the owner list is required to be kept in sync with the frequent users list
 
1:39 PM
@CatPlusPlus (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@jalf Technically what we have now, we're just lazy about it.
which wouldn't change :P
 
Scratch that...
 
Anyway, I gotta get to work. Back in 30 minutes for some more political fun.
 
@jalf weekly synchronisation, sorted
 
sbi
Well, I got another idea. Gimme a sec.
 
1:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd go with D.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how did you know I had an itchy back?
 
I know everything.
 
@DeadMG no, at the moment it's a sort of fluffy "anyone on the frequent users list is a candidate for ownership, and anyone not on the list is a candidate for removal", but specifically worded so that non-owners cannot go "Hey, I'm on the frequent users list, kick someone off and promote me now"
 
Okay, well, gotta go. Something tells me that I'm going to have one hell of a transcript to read when I come back...
 
@EtiennedeMartel boobs!
 
1:41 PM
I propose a different system. You have to propose at least 25 funny topics, and then you're a candidate.
 
Funny is a very subjective thing
what's funny for you is maybe not funny for me
 
25 is subjective too.
 
sigh
subjective is subjective
 
> like a salmon into the bears of a jaw
I have a silly sister
 
Only animals get to be room owners
 
user784668
1:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus 28, because it's two thirds of 42.
 
sbi
Currently we could consider the whole thing as not to be an issue, because at least two European owners have volunteered to give up their seat in the council in favor of two non-Europeans. So we can keep to the strictly by frequency rule with the amendment "unless some higher-frequent user gives up their spot".
Given that the granting of ownership has always been a thing at the discretion of the current owners, we can assume those two to be the best candidates and just hobble along with only one amendment.
 
At the end of the day, I really don't give a damn as long as this room stays a lounge, rather than some kind of formalized hierarchy with nominations and elections and thick rule-books and appeals and bickering over something as utterly pointless as room ownership.
 
@TonyTheLion pirates are a sort of animal
@sbi this
 
@thecoshman Yes, priates are. Pirates, OTOH, are not.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pirates are humans, and therefore animals.
 
1:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll have your guts for garters!
 
@Fanael How speciesist of you to say pirates are always human!
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes See? Plants can be speciesist, too!
 
sbi
Mar 2 '11 at 16:43, by sbi
...in the ensuing silence, a needle hit the floor with a bang, its rebounces sending thuds across the room that hit the walls like ripples hit the shore of a lake of liquid lead...
 
So we degraded to speciesism now?
It has finally come to this.
 
1:47 PM
Done
 
I think that we could just go back to what we did before, I think it would work fine now
 
now carry on with normal business :)
 
Why did you remove yourself?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion You should have added someone before you removed yourself, you lazy cat!
 
Remove ALL THE OWNERS!
 
1:48 PM
24 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
ok maybe if I gave up my ownership for a ' merkin to come in my place? I'm just a Lion, and I snooze most of the time anyways.
 
wait, he removed himself? I didn't see that
my client still has him listed as owner
 
If this trend continues then this room is in danger of being automatically deleted.
 
@sbi I'll leave that you lot
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked He had offered it repeatedly for almost an hour now.
 
@DeadMG You mean the italics?
Probably needs a refresh.
 
1:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes And I don't see any message about him removing himself.
 
oh, I have Feeds on ignore.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes only just noticed ¬_¬
 
@DeadMG rly?
 
1:50 PM
@TonyTheLion yarly
 
'SleepyNotificationQueue.java' ¬_¬ seriously? I mean just really!
@sbi DAMN IT I KEEP CLICKING THAT FILTERED LINK!
 
@TonyTheLion Majority vote!
 
add @Mysticial then
problem solved, everyone lives happily ever after
 
@CatPlusPlus hah, when did that ever work in this place?
 
sbi
@thecoshman It's a chat log. I can paste it here for you:
<dm> I discovered that you'd never get an answer to a problem from Linux Gurus by asking. You have to troll in order for someone to help you with a Linux problem.
<dm> For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me.
<dm> Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my ai
 
1:53 PM
@sbi oh please do... oh, thanks
 
Fine, cat vote then.
 
@jalf Hopefully.
 
sbi
@DeadMG As an owner, you shouldn't have Feeds on ignore.
 
How irresponsible!
 
1:54 PM
@sbi Why not?
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
@CatPlusPlus hah, when did that ever work in this place?
 
sbi
6 mins ago, by DeadMG
wait, he removed himself? I didn't see that
 
@sbi Feed on ignore, that's a kicking :P
@DeadMG ^
 
Shouldn't Jerry be a room owner since he's the main man?
 
@thecoshman Pretty sure you already posted that :P
 
user784668
1:56 PM
@ManofOneWay Jerry? Why? What about Tom?
 
And Jalf?
 
@sbi well, I had him on ignore, and still do, because he's a pain in the ass
 
My momma wants to be an owner
 
@DeadMG if I did, then in means I re-reposted a repost :P
 
I don't really see what it has to do with ownership
 
1:57 PM
@TonyTheLion too fat
@ManofOneWay Jerry who now?
 
euh, fat by what standard? Cause if my mom is fat, than a lot of people should be exploding with the weight they have.
 
@thecoshman Coffin
 
@ManofOneWay main man how?
 
You also wouldn't see owners removing themselves if you're just not around when it happens. Owners are going to miss things, and that's just how it is
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Define "main man". (Note: I have expressed several times today that I would consider him a good choice.)
 
1:59 PM
@TonyTheLion silly lion, weight is not internal pressure
 
@ManofOneWay I was an owner until a few hours ago. I relinquished my spot to make room for some fresh blood
 
user784668
@sbi man main() {}
 

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