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2:00 AM
@nil Proud? No one knows who caused it. It started breaking after we changed a completely unrelated project.
Also, it's javac.
 
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Oh, nevermind, that's nothing to be proud of.
 
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That's just kind of like kicking a small child with one leg.
 
I'm more annoyed by it than anything else.
Now we get spam random from the build server and have to check if it's a legitimate failure.
 
Okay, Rush 2 had an amazing soundtrack.
 
can anyone compare C++ to python
pro and cons
 
2:01 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil Can you compare apples to oranges?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I can.
 
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As can I. I can also compare oranges to dragonflies.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not round- round green, yellow, red- orange
 
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.. What?
 
Yeah, same thing here.
 
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2:03 AM
That said, @MohamedAhmedNabil, I think you're going about this the wrong way.
 
Python isn't a compiled language, it's interpreted and higher level.
 
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@MohamedAhmedNabil What do you want to do?
 
I was talking about usses
 
Which means some tasks are slower than a lower level language like C++ and C.
 
It's also the language I would pick to teach programming to newbies.
 
2:03 AM
What is the the strengths of each
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil C++ is more powerful but harder to use. Roughly. Somewhat. More or less.
 
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This is frustrating somehow.
 
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Q: What are the drawbacks of Python?

RookPython seems all the rage these days, and not undeservingly - for it is truly a language with which one almost enjoys being given a new problem to solve. But, as a wise man once said (calling him a wise man only because I've no idea as to who actually said it; not sure whether he was that wise at...

I do like Python's spoonfeeding though. I don't know what else to call it. Massive standard library?
 
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Sounds about right.
 
Let's say I want to embed a scripting language in a game engine. What would be the best choice? I'm currently hesitating between JS, Ruby and Python. Is there any other choice? I don't want to use Lua because I'm a biaised twat.
 
2:08 AM
I was going to suggest Lua lol.
 
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I'd go with Lua.
 
lol
 
user457812
Ruby is not feasible right now. Python's slow, and you can't really have that in a game.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I like boo.
 
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2:08 AM
Angelscript works, sort of.
 
Boo? Really? Hmm.
 
Pythonic syntax, but static typing.
 
I used a Ruby-like language as a scripting language before for RPG Maker long ago and it was horrible but manageable.
 
user457812
You could also use Mono.
 
And metaprogramming for DSLs.
 
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2:09 AM
That is, mono to provide other languages
 
Now I'm intrigued.
 
Lua does have LOVE though, which is pretty neat imo.
 
user457812
If you like fairly simple integration, AngelScript is probably the easiest
 
Anyone uses flowcharts?
 
user457812
What?
 
2:10 AM
I used to but not anymore.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil When I was in school, we were required to flowchart (some of) our code. At least IMO, the flowcharts are at least as obsolete as the FORTRAN IV we were writing.
 
@JerryCoffin Hey, we too (the flowcharts, not the FORTRAN).
 
hmm we didn't...
Well... in my compilers class we had to for small snippets. For the purpose of dependency analysis.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm truly sorry to hear that. When I was doing it, they had the excuse that nobody really knew better, but it's been decades since that excuse held water.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm, I would have to embed Mono for that. What about performance?
 
2:14 AM
@Mysticial I guess I could sort of see it for finding SESE blocks as well (or at least for showing what an SESE block is).
 
@JerryCoffin It was about 10 years ago.
Gosh, I'm getting old :(
 
@JerryCoffin SESE block? I'm somewhat disturbed that I don't know that if it's a compiler term.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes More like 30 years ago for me; you're not so old yet...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Dunno. Unity3D uses that, so I guess it can't be too bad. But I don't know your goals.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. I guess I'll have to try it. Who knows, maybe I'll get to resurrect my dead blog with this.
 
2:16 AM
@JerryCoffin I just hadn't realised it was that long ago.
 
@Mysticial Single-entry/Single-exit. Some people use other terms (e.g., "basic block"), but when you're doing optimization, it's a block within which you're free to rearrange things as you see fit, because nothing ever enters/leaves the middle of it.
 
@JerryCoffin Basic Block is the term we use. :)
 
@Mysticial Yeah -- SESE is a bit more descriptive, but I think basic block is probably used more widely anyway.
 
LLVM uses basic block too.
 
All the compiler papers that I've read also use basic block.
And some of them date to the 70s.
 
2:22 AM
I've seen SESE used before though.
 
Im making a read/write program. Where the read and write operations are in seperate functions called upon my main()
my question is: should i make a seperate filestream object in each function or make one global filestream object?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Declare a local one in main(), and pass it by reference.
 
On /r/gaming there's a picture of Bjarne Stroustrup lol reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/zo0uf/…
 
@EtiennedeMartel Objects pass by refrence? unusual but ok
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil unusual? What?
 
2:25 AM
@Rapptz I've seen more than that.
 
It's actually the recommended way when you don't want to (or can't) do a copy.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I never thought about it before. Hmmmm
 
@Mysticial On /r/gaming?
 
Some guy plays WOW with like 60 characters on 5 monitors. And he does his own raids.
@Rapptz One of my friends showed me, dunno if it originally came from reddit.
 
Oh you meant screen count. I was mostly entertained by the fact Stroustrup was captioned. Seemed like an odd picture to use for dual screens.
 
2:27 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil iostreams are essentially always passed by reference.
 
I've seen an even bigger setup with 60+...
 
What's the point?
Even that 15-screener seemed overkill.
 
15 screens is nice for day-trading.
 
when i do this ifstream obj("text"); what type of value does obj hold? i know the obj represnts the filestream, but what does it hold?
 
I only have 4, and I find that isn't quite enough. (even though I don't do day-trading)
 
2:30 AM
With enough (and big enough) screens, you can also play for higher stakes.
 
I have 1 :(
That website blew up my browser.
 
@Rapptz Is that better?
 
@JerryCoffin You do your own raids when you have 60...
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah.
 
@Mysticial At least as I recall the movie, he had a "raid" of his own all set up (for those too young to remember it, that shot's from Wargames).
 
2:34 AM
Recently I learned that game Mari0 was made with LOVE/Lua
 
War Games ?
Thats so retrotronica !
 
@LeandroPezzente At my age, I remember it better than breakfast this morning. Hmm...I did have breakfast this morning, didn't I?
 
What is the differnce between passing a filestream object by reference to a function and---- passing the actual filestream object( ie. copying its contents?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Simple: passing by reference works. Passing by value doesn't (iostreams aren't copyable).
 
Those modem bleepings ... BBS Wonderland ... so magical
 
2:40 AM
@JerryCoffin The stream itself isnt copyable, but what is stored in the filestream is?
 
If modify the filestream by reference you are canching the actual reference content
 
@LeandroPezzente But just copying it will cause to open the same file.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil There are a few bits and pieces that could probably be copied in isolation, but for the most part you don't worry about it. It's a pretty simple rule: you always pass them by reference. The only (rather rare) exception is to pass a pointer instead, used primarily if you really need to be able to pass a null pointer.
 
No because you will be modifying a copy in momery of the actual file
*memory
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Passing it by value is a compile-time error.
 
2:44 AM
Really ?
Didnt knew that.
 
Yeah it's a compiler error.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why? (and please dont say because the standard says so)
 
Copy constructor of ios_base is private. Since all stream classes inherit from that, they cannot be copied.
That's why we say streams are non copyable: they don't have a public copy constructor.
 
hahahaha Having the chance to make a Clone() method private in Java would annoy so many devs.
 
It wouldn't make sense for them to be copyable anyways.
 
2:48 AM
Streams are movable under certain conditions in C++11, though.
 
It's not like you can duplicate your console window...
 
@Mysticial It sort of can, for some streams. Many libraries used to have an iostream_withassign that at least allowed assignment (and in at least some cases, I believe copying as well).
 
@Mysticial It could be useful if used with a netcat utility
 
netcat?
 
2:51 AM
@Mysticial A better example: you can't duplicate a network connection.
Proof: you don't have all the state required with you (the other endpoint has the rest).
 
Duplicating network connections another nice use for a netcat enabled app
 
@Mysticial you should open source y-cruncher, I would love to help :) I have been looking for a project to do my master's thesis on...
 
@AustinHenley um no... :)
 
@AustinHenley What?
 
:/ I had to try!
@EtiennedeMartel ?
 
2:54 AM
Lets hope CodeBlocks or Orwel Dev Cpp are worthy
 
@LeandroPezzente Worthy of what? Being thrown away? Yup. Use? At least IMO, no. CB isn't quite as bad, but neither has ever impressed me much.
 
Well , at least I have one opinion.
In any case I have no Idea how to plug GCC into Eclipse C++
 
@JerryCoffin I haven't tried the newest Dev Cpp though.
It's supposedly a lot better than the 7+ year old one. But of course still not as good as Visual Studio and such.
 
@Mysticial I haven't tried the newest either -- but unless it's a total rewrite from the ground up, it doesn't strike me as a promising.
 
@JerryCoffin I dunno if it's a total rewrite. They say it has full 64-bit support and such. I haven't looked too much into it though.
 
3:00 AM
It's bad when the most usable graphical IDE we have is VS.
 
How do you plug in GCC to Visual Studio ?
 
guys, check ViHart on youtube <3
 
@LeandroPezzente You don't. Why would you?
C++11 is so overrated anyway.
 
I read a couple of months ago , writing in C11 was getting similar to writting JavaScript
 
@EtiennedeMartel C++11 is da shit
 
3:04 AM
@LeandroPezzente Why do you keep mentioning C11? This is a C++ room.
 
@LeandroPezzente C11 or C++11? I can't imagine it being even close to true either way, but why would you consider C (any version) at all?
 
Cause I keep getting confused between C11 and C++11
 
C++ is C version ++.
 
@LeandroPezzente Easy. C11 is the 2011 revision of the C standard. C++11 is the 2011 revision of the C++ standard.
See, it's "Language + Year". Easy to remember.
 
C+++2011
 
3:07 AM
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
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CporkporkporkporkHAM
 
CAnkh-Morpork.
 
spam spam spam spam spam yummy spam deliciouss spam
 
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I actually like spam. Tasty stuff.
 
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It brings me even more joy when my friends act disgusted over it.
 
3:11 AM
Noooo The COmfy Chair !!!!!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't even joke about that.
 
a comfy_chair operator would actually make sense in python
 
@JerryCoffin I thought you might be interested to know that static_assert( dependent_false_type<Params>::value, "Oh noes" ); is a possible way to prevent template instantiations.
 
@LeandroPezzente Okay, to give it its fair shot, I just downloaded and installed the newest version of Dev-Cpp. It failed utterly with the same basic problem as older versions: at least as far as I can find, its search still doesn't support regular expressions. At least IMO, that's a deal-breaker.
@LucDanton Ah, thank you.
 
@JerryCoffin lol, I've never even heard of such a feature.
 
3:18 AM
Well , I had to ask , I guess.
 
@JerryCoffin Come to think of it, it may make more sense to use the = delete syntax for function templates.
 
@Rapptz For some reason, that text looked a bit like Japanese when zoomed out.
 
@Mysticial Really? I can't quite imagine an editor not supporting regular expressions. Certainly VS, vim, and emacs do. VS's predecessor (PWB) supported them too, as did its predecessor, ME. We're getting into truly ancient history here though -- if memory serves, they switched from ME to PWB around Microsoft C (not C++) 6.0, which was around 1988 if memory serves.
 
Hey, that's a use for attributes: better diagnostics.
[[diagnostic("don't use that")]] void foo() = delete; or whatever the syntax is.
 
3:21 AM
@JerryCoffin I'm sure all the editors I've used have them. But I didn't know it. Let alone ever used it.
 
I think that guy has strange sympotoms of Valvinosis.
 
@LucDanton Hmm...can you use =delete with a normal function template? I never even considered it.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't know if it's allowed to specialize a deleted template though.
 
@Mysticial It's not that big of a deal when you're writing new code, but if you're working with big chunks of existing code, I can hardly imagine trying to live without it. A good code browser helps, but that only means I need it every hour or so instead of every 10-15 minutes.
 
template<typename T> void f(T) = delete; void f(int); is a trick to avoid unintended conversions that relies on overloading for instance.
 
3:24 AM
@JerryCoffin That's a good point.
 
is 0.999999.....=1?
anyone?
 
Maybe. What do you define 0.99... to mean?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil If you mean it's a repeating decimal (i.e., the 9's repeat infinitely), then yes -- that's roughly 10th grade algebra, I'd think.
 
When do they teach geometric series anyway?
It's obviously been more than half my life ago...
 
ehm.. I was talking about C++'s side of view :D
 
3:30 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil If you're talking about comparing something like floats or doubles, then no -- it basically does a bitwise comparison, and if any bit is different, two values will compare as not equal.
@LucDanton Hmmm...pretty cool.
 
3:43 AM
@Mysticial Algebra II, Pre-Calculus, and Calculus II
 
@Mysticial COmplex Calculus also , to calculate trigonometrical series
 
Basic geometric series was probably just Algebra II.
 
@Mysticial or Poles and Residues Integration Theory
 
Including how to sum them up and stuff.
 
Complex Calculus makes it even more fun
 
3:48 AM
It's been a longass time since I learned that stuff.
I vaguely remember my dad teaching me how to sum a geometric series... damn that's a long time ago...
 
I get your meaning
 
@Mysticial It's just a for loop :)
 
@Rapptz an infinite for-loop. :)
 
Geometric series aren't infinite.
:P
Unless you mean infinite series.
 
@Mysticial it actually depends on how many decimals your Big Decimal is actually using
 
3:50 AM
@LeandroPezzente You're talking to a math person here. :)
 
There is no point in calculating more terms than what your precision can hold
More so
 
@Mysticial Math major?
 
@Rapptz No. I like math, but I suck at it. But it doesn't stop me from pretending to be good at it.
 
I just remembered that Geometric series are infinite but have a finite sum.
 
Hahahahaha So bad I dont recall much about Galois Group Theory
 
3:53 AM
I like math a lot too. :P
 
You cant love Physics without loving math and I actually love pHysics
 
@LeandroPezzente I disagree. You can love physics and hate and not know math. You won't fully understand everything, but it won't stop you from loving Physics.
 
@Rapptz Yes. A few of them sum to Pi, for one example. Mysticial just might know a tiny bit about one or two of those...
 
@Chimera Maybe basic physic concepts.
 
@Rapptz The love of physics and the understanding can be two different things..
 
3:57 AM
I wonder how many digits of Pi @Mysticial could recite.
 
3.14159265
that's just about it
not sure if they're even correct
 
lmao
 
yeah that looks correct
 
@Chimera How many can you recite?
 
@Mysticial yup correct
 
4:00 AM
3.1415926535897932
 
@JerryCoffin 3 more than @Mysticial did
but that's only because I recently looked it up and was messing with an inneficient algorithm.
 
what would be the c++ equivalent to this matlab code?

index_zero = max(find(cdfi < 1.0e-5));
index_one = min(find(cdfi > 1 - 1.0e-5));
 
@pyCthon Let's see how my memory is holding up: 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939
 
But I suck at math, and surely in a few weeks I will forget some of those digits
 
quick largest tri-fibonacci number?
 
4:03 AM
I think anyone who has a basic grasp of calculus shouldn't consider themselves bad at math
 
@Chimera You don't need to be good at math to memorize Pi. You just need to have enough empty space in your brain. :P
 
Because that is a lot better than most people. Most can't even finish Algebra.
 
@Mysticial ...and time to waste.
 
@Mysticial that's true
 
@JerryCoffin I think the last 5 digits are wrong - according to mathematica
I have a few "friends" in high school who have that shit memorized to a thousand. I mean like FFS, why?
 
4:04 AM
lol
 
Reciting 1000 digits of Pi isn't even useful as a pickup line.
 
Maybe it will be.
I've seen stranger things happen.
 
@Mysticial Yeah -- I get confused when I slow down to type. At one time I could recite 100, but even then I had to recite quickly to do it. Now there's no chance of much past 50 or so, but even so if I slow down I get confused.
 
@Mysticial i think the memorized the derivation of it or the formula to calculate it off hand
 
@Mysticial Ain't too much math knowledge that is
 
4:05 AM
3.14159265 is enough imo. Maybe even just 3.14
 
@Rapptz 22/7.
 
That stops being accurate after 3.14
 
@Rapptz Yup -- but any good christian knows it's really exactly 3 anyway.
 
lol
 
355/113 is a good one.
 
4:08 AM
Given enough time I can "recite" all the digits.
Pi/4 = 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + ...
 
@Chimera I don't think you'll have "enough" time with that.
:)
 
@Mysticial LOL I know...
 
@Chimera You need a lot of time to get very many digits that way though -- that one converges really slowly.
 
Did they get rid of the 1 second time-min. between messages?
 
@Mysticial 103993/33102 xD
 
4:09 AM
no they didn't...
 
whats the arctan formula again?
 
@JerryCoffin VERY slowly.... about 5 hours for 12 digits on my virtual machine running linux.
 
thats the best approximation i think
 
arctan(1) * 4
 
e^(sqrt(163)*pi)
 
4:10 AM
pi/4 = 4 arctan(1/5) - arctran(1/239)
 
It's just arctan(1) * 4
 
@Rapptz That's less a formula than just an identity.
 
@Rapptz There's a whole bunch of them.
They're called Machin formulas.
 
@JerryCoffin True but it works.
 
John Machin (bapt. 1686?–June 9, 1751), a professor of astronomy at Gresham College, London, is best known for developing a quickly converging series for Pi in 1706 and using it to compute Pi to 100 decimal places. Machin's formula is: : \frac{\pi}{4} = 4 \cot^{-1}5 - \cot^{-1}239 The benefit of the new formula, a variation on the Gregory/Leibniz series (Pi/4 = arctan 1), was that it had a significantly increased rate of convergence, which made it a much more practical method of calculation. To compute Pi to 100 decimal places, he combined his formula with the Ta...
 
4:11 AM
I'm actually more interested in the ArcTanh machin-like formulas for natural logs.
 
@Rapptz If and only if you already have a way to compute arc-tangents.
 
@JerryCoffin std::atan(1)*4 ?
 
The next version of y-cruncher will have the ability to compute the natural log of arbitrary small integers.
But to do that, I needed to implement a formula generator for them.
Here's a small example food for thought:
Log[ 19 ] = 72546*ArcCoth[57799] + 70252*ArcCoth[74359] + 28844*ArcCoth[87361] + 102188*ArcCoth[388961] + 85196*ArcCoth[672281] + 10008*ArcCoth[1202851] - 20900*ArcCoth[1267111] + 46956*ArcCoth[1419263]
 
I find the concept of "Arbitrarily small integers" amusing.
Regardless of what you mean.
 
That reminds me of..
..Volume by Shells and Washers.
Take an arbitrary infinitely thin amount of slices.. and add them together to get the volume.
 
4:17 AM
Nah... I can bigger ones: Log[ 123456791 ] = 3868*ArcCoth[251] + 1456*ArcCoth[449] - 1018*ArcCoth[4801] + 1664*ArcCoth[8749] + 2*ArcCoth[54433] + 2*ArcCoth[571558] + 2*ArcCoth[5144032] - 2*ArcCoth[246913583]
Gimme an arbitrary integer less than 2^32.
And positive.
 
Yeah, that means nothing to me.... :-)
 
1,294,721,375
 
Log[ 1294721375 ] = 91176*ArcCoth[8749] + 114358*ArcCoth[21295] + 71314*ArcCoth[24751] + 57752*ArcCoth[28799] - 16348*ArcCoth[74359] + 139908*ArcCoth[388961] + 110002*ArcCoth[672281] + 2*ArcCoth[1904001] + 2*ArcCoth[152320161] - 2*ArcCoth[1294721376]
That took almost a second to generate...
I guess my search algorithm is not as optimized as I want it to be.
 
that's slower than my BigInt implementation.
:D
 
Mathematica took 2 seconds to verify that it's correct.
 
4:21 AM
4294967295
 
Basically... for both ArcCot and ArcCoth, the bigger the operand, the faster it is to compute.
 
@Mysticial implement that on an FPGA , then find a numerical optimization problem that requires it and you will be rich on wall street
 
What's the answer?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't explicitly disagree with these two to become owners. They certainly have been around a lot recently, and deserve this. But it does break our agreement on how to become an owner, and thus raises the question why others, who have been around just as much, are not also becoming owners.
3
 
9.1121763179776555317145280190259?
 
sbi
4:22 AM
Which brings back the whole discussion we started here and concluded here. You have just reopened an ugly can of worms, and, frankly, I don't feel like going through, let alone, manage, another such discussion. Good luck!
 
@sbi It up came because someone was essentially spamming while there were no room owners around.
 
@sbi I agree @sbi. Seeing that actually pissed me off...
Only because it's leave the door open for "favoritism" and a simple rule is broken.
 
What made you mad?
 
sbi
@Mysticial As I said, I have no problems at all with you two becoming room owners. I just have problems with 1) other not becoming room owners, and 2) more than a dozen owners.
@DeadMG Even Windows 3.11 came with a calculator that could do that. /cc @Martinho
Anyway, I have to get two kids out the door now. See you later.
 
So I brought up the idea that maybe we should have at least one room owner in each major timezone.
 
4:24 AM
@Mysticial that's reasonable
 
Well, every single owner was European. But I agree, it's not exactly easy.
 
then I said I thought Etienne and Mysticial were room owners then they became one.
 
They both are one owner?
 
It doesn't have to me. (though I'm glad I was one of the chosen ones)
 
@Mysticial Not that my opinion matters as I'm not a room owner and have been here only everyday for the past few months ( not long), but I think you are a reasonable choice for your timezone.
 
4:28 AM
I've been here for.. a bit. I mean not too long but I'm one of the more recent commoners here and I always saw them around.
 
@Chimera I haven't been here that long either. (since November maybe?)
That's almost a year, but still short compared to the rest of the crowd.
 
Only been here for 2 months.
 
@Mysticial Yep..... almost a year is pretty long, long enough for people to be able to trust you.
The fact that a determination was made without consulting the other owners was probably not a great idea though, considering that it broke pretty much the only real rule this room has... :-)
 
He made a statement that is stickied saying that if anyone objects they can do whatever.
 
This was probably the first time I seen someone severely spam the room at this time of the day.
 
4:33 AM
He was really annoying, no offense.
 
@Rapptz that's good
@Rapptz Too bad I wasn't here for that...
 
Click on the 3h ago by the robot for his "Will you shut up?" message.
You can see the log.
 
@Rapptz No I read it, I meant I wish I was here while it was happening.
 
Ah.
 
@sbi ...and by the one per major timezone rule, there would apparently be up to 24 owners.
 
4:34 AM
Start here:
4 hours ago, by Takarakaka
@Mysticial @KerrekSB @MohamedAhmedNabil @MooingDuck @R.MartinhoFernandes @Xeo Are you there?
 
I feel like I don't have a say about this, since, as one of the new room owners, I'm not exactly neutral. So, until the other owners decide what to do about it, I shall remove myself from the owners.
 
@Mysticial Oh good lord!
 
He was actually sad he couldn't do @all
 
Yeah, I don't feel like I should be a room owner until we come to an agreement. I'll remove myself tomorrow if I don't hear anything by then.
 
4:38 AM
I don't know. I guess I haven't been around long enough to have an opinion either.
 
@Chimera Seeing as you were pissed, seems to me like you take this quite seriously.
 
Why were you mad?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, at the time I saw it, and before I knew of the reason, it seemed like favoritism. But now that I know it was to solve an issue, it makes some sense.
 
Is X~ Df / gamma_rand(DF/2 , 2) the same thing as X~Inv_gamma_rand(DF/2,DF/2) ?
 
@Chimera Well, I don't know about @Mysticial, but I know I've been here longer than you. I still don't know if the move is legitimate, though.
 
4:41 AM
2010 October.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think I've been around long enough to be a room owner.. I think you would be a great room owner. Like I said, at first it seemed like a case of favoritism.... But as I later found out, it was done for a reason that makes sense.
I don't think the other owners would have a problem with you guys being added as owners if it solves a problem.
 
Well, @JerryCoffin is also a North American, and he's been here for a while. So, again, it's not all black or white.
 
He isn't a room owner either? Man.
 
See? This is confusing.
The original rule was "if you're in the 'frequently in room' list, you're an owner".
 
@Rapptz No the original criteria to be an owner is that you have to be in the top 10 in the frequency list....
 
4:44 AM
There was an exception for those who are at the bottom because it changes so often, but still.
 
@Rapptz Not any more. I was at one time.
 
Only person I was surprised was a room owner was daknok.
 
@Rapptz Well, he never shuts up, so of course he would get on that list.
 
As long as the room continues to function well, I guess I'm happy.
@Rapptz I think he was added despite not having made it on the frequently in room list.
 
24775 messages is a lot
 
4:47 AM
@Chimera He probably was at one point.
As I said, since the bottom of the list shifts a lot, then there are 12 owners.
It's not exactly clear cut, though. And anyway, we get to the point where the entirety of the owner list was European.
Now that's favoritism.
 
I actually feel like the minority being in North America lol
It's usually the opposite :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, if it had happened by intent, it would be. I don't think that's the case here though.
 
@Rapptz We are the minority here.
 
@JerryCoffin I was being sarcastic.
 
@JerryCoffin Clearly it wasn't on purpose.
 
4:50 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Ah, I guess my detector's not working so well at the moment. Must need to go sleep soon.
@Chimera We are the minority, period. If memory serves, there are about twice as many Europeans as Americans (depending a little on what you count as "Europe", of course).
 
I know that my habit of being on the chat doesn't correlate very much with the local time. Doesn't help any one way if we want to match owners to timezones though.
 
Anyway, I'm gonna get some sleep. If I'm ever worthy of being on the list, feel free to add me again.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You should be worthy now.
But I'm not an owner...
So I can't do anything
@Mysticial could put you back though. :-)
@JerryCoffin yes, of course.
 
@LucDanton Programmers aren't known for keeping "normal" hours in general.
 
When should i use global variables and when should i use pointers
 
4:55 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil When you have no other reasonable choice.
 
@JerryCoffin Your answer is kinda ambiguous
 
Avoid using them at all costs.
 
@Chimera I don't think that would be appropriate for me to do since I was just added.
 
but he was recently added and left on his own will
 
@Mysticial Eh, maybe.
@Rapptz Yeah, I hope it wasn't because I said it pissed me off...
I think @EtiennedeMartel would be a good room owner... Always seems level headed and fair.
 
4:59 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil Intentionally so, because it's something of a judgement call. Avoid globals in general. Only use them if you find yourself having to pass the same "stuff" to virtually everything, and you've tried but can't structure the code to avoid that. Pointers: prefer references when possible, and smart pointers otherwise.
 
As much as I like Boost.Range I feel like the indexed adaptor truly is useless.
 

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