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8:00 PM
@RadekSlupik Ain't it funny how a real Big Mac never looks like that?
 
@DeadMG It is. xD
 
@DeadMG They have gotten smaller over the years... they really aren't that big anymore.
 
But how much does the photographer get for one picture of a Big Mac? $3000?
Small Mac
 
@JimNorton No, they most assuredly have not.
 
Their angus burgers are a lot better than the big macs
 
8:01 PM
the entire cause of the obesity epidemic and the massive increase in profits of the food industry, and fast food in particular, is because they made everything much bigger.
 
@Collecter I read “anus burgers”. :/
 
@RadekSlupik Good for you?
 
They got smaller. And don't fucking argue with me...I know I'm right. :-)
 
@Collecter Not really.
 
aaargh
 
8:02 PM
@DeadMG Fries and drinks have certainly gotten larger, don't know about the burgers themselves though
 
le cup and string internet, it's, well, le aaargh
 
@DeadMG Is it le french?
 
i vant my 40-50 Mbps cable back
 
@Drise @MooingDuck That was some interesting challenge! Though I lack a normative answer (unless it is: c++11 doesn't support that, whereas C99 does...), I have posted a rather in-depth summary and working sample that solves this in very few lines of Boost Spirit code. Hope you like it
 
@Collin Actually Mcdonalds has downsized some of their things. Their large shakes for instance have gone down in size.
 
8:03 PM
@sehe It looks fantastic. One problem. I can't use boost lol.
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@Collecter Interesting.. when I was working at Wendy's a few years back all the drink sizes bumped up one, a large was now a medium, a medium was now a small and the new large was gigantic.
 
And most fast food joints have been making changes to be more politically correct regarding the food nazis.
 
@Drise Aw. Hope the rest of the answer is helpful anyway
 
@sehe Very much indeed.
 
some of the newer trends are to smaller products
 
8:04 PM
and more healthy options as well.
 
I guess I really don't eat fast food much anymore
@JimNorton "healthy"
 
Kids meal with apples instead of fries for example
 
@Collin Have you seen those mccafe drinks? The large shakes now use one of those cups (and have whipped cream and a cherry now?) when they used to be in the large drink cup.
 
some of those salad dressings are horrible
 
since it's become apparent to everybody and his goddamn dog that the food industry causes obesity like the tobacco industry causes lung cancer
 
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8:05 PM
@Drise Boost lol? Is that something they introduced in 1.50?
 
@Collecter I got to McDonalds only when I'm on the New York Throughway, haven't been there in a long time
 
The fast food industry doesn't cause obesity. It's people who eat at fast food joints all the time that create obesity.
 
@Fanael I can't stress enough how much I can't use boost.
 
@Collin Alright. And all this talk of food has made me hungry.
 
Fast food! <3
 
8:06 PM
@DeadMG That's like saying guns kill people.
 
@Drise Have you considered using BOOST?
 
We often eat fast food at work at 12.
 
@JimNorton whoosh
 
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@Drise Use Boost.
 
@JimNorton Well, ... no
 
8:06 PM
@SamDeHaan ??
 
Jun 21 at 18:41, by Mooing Duck
@rubenvb I don't want to convince my company's lawyers that we can use boost, and then convince IT to put it on everyone's machines. Way too much work.
 
@JimNorton There's a problem with many cities too, not having any way to get healthy food -- I think Detroit either doesn't have or just recently got a single grocery store
 
for one, guns do kill people, in that if guns did not exist, it would be vastly less effective to kill people on a large scale and giving out guns like toys is an exercise in stupidity
 
@JimNorton That's exactly what he was saying. Except, of course, he now feels the need to argue.
 
Boost all the things.
 
8:07 PM
but for two, fast food is basically addictive in the same way that cigarettes are
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Boost PHP!
 
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@RMartinhoFernandes Is it possible to boost Boost?
 
@StackedCrooked Oh gosh.
 
it's in the human physiology to have desires for food that cannot be suppressed
 
@Collin It has been a few years since I last visited Detroit, but yeah, not a lot of grocery stores.
 
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8:08 PM
@StackedCrooked Flagged.
 
and Science™ has repeatedly confirmed that it's simply not possible for 30-40%+ of the population to properly control their food intake
 
@DeadMG But food doesn't bind to the synaptic receptors like drugs do.
 
@Collecter A study was done, even in the poorest of cities in the US, healthy food can be found nearby ...
 
@StackedCrooked You don't need to reprogram synaptic receptors when they are already programmed to act that way.
 
Yeah, people.
 
8:09 PM
@DeadMG Clearly the answer is to stop regulating fast food joints, and allow natural selection to work its magic.
 
@JimNorton Define nearby. And link?
 
@DeadMG "food intake" that doesn't say anything specifically about fast food.
 
@JimNorton No, it doesn't, but they are the ones deliberately abusing these mechanics for profit.
 
Perhaps I'm wrong about that: urbanophile.com/2011/01/25/…
 
if you're a housewife, you don't consciously decide to up everybody's portions for lols
 
8:10 PM
The Spartan near where we used to live was terrible though
 
Would Stack Overflow kill me ritually if I asked the (honest!) question “Why do Java and C# need static main methods instead of starting from a constructor?”
 
fast food joints, however, definitely do
@KonradRudolph Sounds like a good question to me.
 
@Collin Well, you did live in the only bad part of an awesome state.
 
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@KonradRudolph Do it and see.
 
@SamDeHaan I was actually in Ypsilanti at the time
 
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8:11 PM
@KonradRudolph Who knows what Java zealots will do.
 
@DeadMG There’s a small hitch: it’s already been asked, but the answers are begging the question.
 
I grew up north of Ann Arbor
 
@DeadMG So what is your solution? Ban fast food joints, or let people eat as they please?
 
@Collin Not too far from my current area
 
@sehe You always know someone is quoting the spec if they use bold.
 
8:12 PM
@JimNorton Well, if they do not create solutions, then yes- introduce significant regulation and tax. We did it for cigarettes, except this is an even bigger social problem.
 
@JimNorton Probably not, but having nutrition information on the menu-boards is pretty illuminating
 
@Collin Grand Rapids for the win?
 
you make it sound like "eat as they please" is some good thing. It's not.
 
@SamDeHaan Been out there a couple times, visited Kalamazoo more often, my sister and brother in-law went to school at Western
 
@Drise Yeah sorry. I was quoting so many sources I thought I needed to structure it a bit, so the reader has an overview. Also, I ordered it in descending order of importance, roughly
 
8:13 PM
people don't "please" to eat as much as McDonald's serves them. They eat it because it makes McDonalds more money. People just can't really tell the difference or think it's in their own best interests, until it's too late.
 
@DeadMG If you believe in freedom it is a good thing. Eating too much is not good... but it should come down to a personal choice.
 
@DeadMG Stop the regulation, allow natural selection to take care of it.
 
@JimNorton But it's not a personal choice at all.
 
@JimNorton Just like shooting them.
 
@sehe No need to be sorry, just find it to be an interesting pattern.
 
8:13 PM
@Collin Ah, gotcha. I've got some family down there, visit often.
 
between basic human physiology and the abuses taking place in a fast food joint, there's realistically no choice made by the consumer.
 
Happy Tesla Day.
 
@DeadMG People aren't as dumb as you think.
 
They're dumber.
 
@JimNorton I don't think. Science says.
 
8:13 PM
@SamDeHaan Natural selection only comes into play if it kills them before they reproduce. And from working there a while ago, I saw plenty of huge families.
 
Shoot 'em!
 
@SamDeHaan I have some friends out in grand rapids. Otherside of the state for me though.
 
@Collecter Hmm, crap. You've foiled my most excellent and well thought out plan. New plan - Step 1: Remove regulation. Step 2: make all the doors out 'push', and mark them 'pull'. Step 3: Natural selection!
 
@Collecter Plus, you'd be talking about killing off half the goddamn population of places like the US. What would that do for the economy?
 
@DeadMG I don't believe the governments role is to "protect us from ourselves".. I reject the "nanny state" crap that is happening around the world.
 
8:15 PM
@JimNorton Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, or all of the above?
 
@DeadMG Give funeral directors and coffin makers a boost?
 
@DeadMG Free human meat for years to come.
 
@JimNorton Well, that's just tough shit for you, because 40% of the US population need that help, Science™ backs them up, and they represent a large chunk of money and political influence.
 
@Drise I think it's down to: expressing emphasis and subconciously copying the layout/formatting from the standard documents
 
@SamDeHaan Ayn Rand has a lot to say that I believe in...
 
8:15 PM
so if you don't like it
then tough bull testicles
it's a fact
 
It's a fact that bull testicles are tough?
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I can tell you are in a misinterpretative mood
 
@sehe Yea. I'm just surprised it's gotten 14 votes, and has never been asked (or at least my search didn't show anything).
 
@Sam wrong plink?
 
8:17 PM
@sehe Yep.
 
@Drise Yeah you got a killer question there. I couldn't find any (viable) resource even outside SO
 
@sehe This is definitely my first find.
 
But of course most of you live in a highly socialized country, so you already accept that governments role is to tell you when to piss and when to sleep.
 
@JimNorton A bit of hyperbole there, perhaps?
 
Oh fuck, not this.
 
8:18 PM
@JimNorton No, I spend most of my time rejecting what "people in authority" tell me to do.
 
@Drise Congrats. You put it there :) I mean, all of us loungers could have done it, but you did it
 
but also, are you really trying to present arguments against Science™?
now you're just being a moron
 
@Drise it has been, I've seen it before. But I didn't bother looking
 
if you don't like what science says, then go do a scientific study yourself, else, quit bitching
 
@DeadMG Not at all. My point is that it's not government role to stop people from harming themselves.
 
8:19 PM
@JimNorton Well people can't do it, so who else?
 
@MooingDuck I did a few searches (I know better than duplicating) but it turned up nothing to my brief looking at titles and abstracts of the questions.
 
@JimNorton But the government can encourage healthy behavior which will save the society a lot of money in the long run
 
certainly not the "We're raping people for billions and billions of dollars every year" food industry
 
@JimNorton I'm not saying that it's not constructive. I'm just saying that the way the question is written is likely to bait close votes.
 
@DeadMG following his argument says "nobody"
 
8:20 PM
@MooingDuck Prove it. I searched for about 20 minutes
 
@DeadMG Claiming "science says this bro" without citing sources is lols.
 
@Collin Agreed. But I think we must be careful how much we allow government to control our behaviours.
 
@SamDeHaan I saw the guy who ran McDonalds from like, 1970 to 1990, saying it in an interview.
 
@JimNorton Through what, exactly? Is taxation too much? Where do you draw the line?
 
@MooingDuck That's correct... nobody... let the dumb people east themselves to death.. and perhaps pay higher insurance rates.
 
8:21 PM
@DeadMG Oh, of course. That's a reputable source for sure.
 
@JimNorton Oh. I see. They're the "dumb people".
 
Right.
Let them die slowly.
That's fucking wasteful.
 
@SamDeHaan There were a lot more sources in that documentary. But I didn't note them down.
 
If you're giving up on them, just shoot them.
 
@DeadMG Dumb or lazy...
 
8:22 PM
@DeadMG Caaan you name the documentary?
 
@MooingDuck pretty sure you're remember stuff about printf/scanf, or loose quips from the C++11 specs, like this:
> [ Note: It is possible, with some combinations of format patterns and flag values, to produce output that cannot be parsed using num_get<>::get. —end note ] § 22.4.6.2.2 - ad 3 (`money_put` members)
 
@JimNorton No, you're dumb and lazy.
@SamDeHaan Men who made us fat, two parts, on the BBC. There should be a third part this week, but fuck you Wimbledon and it had to be rescheduled.
you might be able to find it on torrent sites
@JimNorton Science says that these people are neither dumb nor lazy. In fact, a study was quoted that indicates that children today (the ones who are 30% obese) do exactly as much physical exercise as the children of fifty years ago.
 
@DeadMG tsk tsk
 
@DeadMG No, I'm railing against government be given too much power you piss ant.
 
@JimNorton But you're being utterly senseless about it. There is nobody else who can do that job.
so you don't have any choice whatsoever
 
8:24 PM
I can!
Choose me!
 
and you're being utterly blind about it too
 
Robot for galactic overlord! +1
 
"Oh, it's the government so giving them power MUST BE BAD!!1oneeleven1"
 
in other news: Google sucks, because you cannot link to its result pages in a meaningful way
 
@DeadMG it's not a job that needs doing
 
8:25 PM
it makes you copy an obscenely long link full of useless parameters
 
@DeadMG "eleven" is so last century. Nowadays we use !!!111twelve3
 
@DeadMG I believe government can help educate, but don't restrict my freedoms because some people can't control themselves.
 
DeadMG, you are an incredibly talented troll. It still gets me, every time.
 
@KonradRudolph trim it all. www.google.com/search?q=apples
 
www.google.com/#q=apples
 
8:26 PM
@KonradRudolph lmgtfy link instead!
 
@MooingDuck Unfortunately doesn’t work, since I want to link to a specific tool (the define page)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes As long as you give me free beer, sure.
 
@JimNorton 30-40% of your population is not "some people". It's "basically everybody".
 
@KonradRudolph a "tool"?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes goo.gl/eMrW8
 
8:27 PM
@Drise Wut?
 
also, the only "freedom" you would gain is the freedom to become part of the "dumb and lazy" people.
@RMartinhoFernandes lol
 
@MooingDuck That’s what they call it … “search tool”. The link that you can click on after searching for “define xyz”
 
@DeadMG That is besides the point. The question is whether or not the federal government should or is empowered by our Constitution to control our behaviour in such matters.
 
if you actually wish to check my citations, feel free to download and watch
 
To be clear, I believe we have an obesity problem, but I don't think the solution is to have government slap a large tax on fast food.
 
8:29 PM
@JimNorton It is the entire point. Stop bitching about "waaaaah freedom" and actually look at the problem in front of you.
 
Open the obese hunting season!
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1. A vast number of your population have a critical problem which their entire physiology is geared towards propagating and science has determined they have no meaningful control over.
2. There is no effective solution on either private or personal levels.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I still think making all of the doors out of a fast food place pull and labeling them push is the correct solution.
 
@JimNorton That's stupid, that tax would be. I am an adult and I can make my own decisions.
 
@DeadMG 3. It does not need fixing
 
8:30 PM
@MooingDuck Too expensive not to fix.
the economic cost of obesity is massive
 
woah, another argument with the puppy
 
We are going to having to disagree. I think something should be done, but I don't think the Federal Government should be a part of the solution, aside from education perhaps.
@TonyTheLion I know right?
And it of course started by him insisting somebody make an incorrect statement....
 
Oh come on, you're blaming him for openly expressing his views even when they're met with disagreement?
 
@JimNorton some people don't learn that easily I guess, you have to bang your head agianst the wall a few times for it to sink in
 
Anyone have a good overview of the different cast operators in c++? I was going to type one to somebody here at work, but an already done one would be nicer
 
8:32 PM
@TonyTheLion Apparently I haven't learned yet...
 
@Collin There's one on SO. Gimme a sec.
 
@JimNorton there is no other solution.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes no, I"m just referring to the fact he's arguing with the puppy, he can express all the views he wants
 
what do you propose should be the other part of the solution?
 
but you know, I give no shits
 
8:33 PM
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Q: When should static_cast, dynamic_cast and reinterpret_cast be used?

e.JamesI am reasonably proficient in C++, but I do not have a lot of experience using the cast operators to convert pointers of one type to another. I am familiar with the risks and benefits of pointer casting, as well as the evils of using C-style casts. What I am looking for is a primer on the proper ...

 
go on, do whatever you want
 
That one?
 
people re-wiring their brains?
 
@Collin Yeah.
 
Thanks, for some reason I didn't find that in my first search
 
8:33 PM
@DeadMG you could have a private company of assassins unofficially enforce no-obesity. That's another solution :D
 
@DeadMG I don't know that a solution needs to be found. Provide the education and let people do as they will....
 
the solution to obesity is to eat less junk food, and more healthy food
 
@MooingDuck What the fuck have I been saying all this time?
 
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I think I am about to give up on my homework problem and just ask the internets how to do it, it has been five days should I keep going or give up?
 
@JimNorton We already provide most of the education. Letting people do as they will is like pretending that smokers want to smoke cigarettes and we shouldn't help them off it.
 
8:34 PM
@TonyTheLion Yes but DeadMG believes government should somehow force that behavior
 
oh lol
 
it won't actually help anyone.
 
just because he can't adhere to something sensible
 
@DeadMG "help" and "force" are two different words.
 
Yeah. And each of you picks the one that better fits their argument. How surprising.
 
8:35 PM
@JimNorton Not when the problem is hardwired into your brain and you, personally, have absolutely zero choice about it either way.
 
@JimNorton One problem we could fix is that due to the way farm subsidies work, cheap, fatty, unhealthy food is really cheap, while healthy food is comparatively expensive.
We've subsidized corn soo much, everything is made with it now -- unfortunately it's not that good for you
 
@Collin Yes, we could help to lower the price of healthy food.. that would help.
 
you're like one of those people who thinks that being gay is a choice
 
@Jordan feel free to ask the Internets for homework help. Just don't ask here.
 
@Jordan Aren't you that guy that was prevented from asking new questions?
 
8:37 PM
There's only one?
I thought there was a plague or something.
Like locusts.
 
@DeadMG Not at all. I just believe the solution shouldn't involve "forcing" people to behave in a certain manner by government.
 
very true, I think we have had a rash of them in the Lounge
@JimNorton You don't have any alternative.
 
@DeadMG yes he is
 
@JimNorton We're doing the exactly the opposite at the moment. We're making unhealthy food cheap, therefore "forcing" people to eat it (using your definition of "forcing")
 
@MooingDuck Then no sympathy
either you allow private industry to abuse human physiology into forcing them to overeat, or you allow the public government to force people to eat less.
 
8:39 PM
@Collin Agreed, that's why I agreed with your proposed partial solution.
 
either way, you are still allowing people's eating habits to be forced
bye bye caps
 
So, stop artificially deflating the price of unhealthy food, and start artificially deflating the price of healthy food? How is that different from just taxing fast food?
 
It isn't. Something freedom something.
 
I'm for the supply side changes, for the record, I'm just trying to figure out your argument
 
I think in Japan there's a law against obesity.
 
8:42 PM
We got a "Defcon" panel at work. It just got from Defcon 4 to Defcon 3.
 
My argument is simply that Government should have a limit role in behaviour engineering... I don't know what the solution is... But I would like one that doesn't give Government any unneeded power.
 
@JimNorton See, that's the problem. You don't know what the solution is. And let me give you a hint: Nobody knows of one that does not involve doing this.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is that good or bad?
 
@JimNorton I'd like to fly too
 
so unless you plan on allowing tens of millions of people to die and massive other economic costs for the profit of McDonalds, you have no choice.
 
8:43 PM
@DeadMG Anyway it's unlikely gonna happen in a democracy.
 
@StackedCrooked The US isn't a democracy
 
@StackedCrooked Mmmmm. I dunno. Scientific evidence is mounting.
 
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you can't add a fast food tax, it punishes the poor working class too much, you have to subsidize the cost of healthier food
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, it appears some of our users can't log on our new game.
 
8:43 PM
soon, I believe that even our governments will be forced to take action
 
@JimNorton With the risk of opening another gigantic can of worms, that's the same argument people have against the health reforms.. "repeal and replace!", but no-one wants to say what they're going to replace it with. I'm betting on "nothing"
 
@sehe I also think this is my first "hot" question, at 29.
 
@Drise Wow
 
@Collin You miss my point then.
 
@Collin Fighting health reforms is stupid too.
other countries can get health care for less than 50% of the cost of the US
 
8:44 PM
@DeadMG I'm talking about votes. The public is likely against a anti-obesity law.
 
@Drise Hot chicks are better than hot questions.
 
War still raging in the room. And it's not even friday yet
 
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Other countries don't spend nearly as much as the US does in R&D though
 
@DeadMG A lot of it comes from people being horribly misinformed about the law as well
 
from my recollection, they could instantaneously eliminate their deficit if they went to a public system and collected the rest as tax.
 
8:45 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes There is no reason they can't go together
 
@StackedCrooked Eh. That never stopped politicians from doing anything.
 
@Jordan that's right... most of the drug research is done in the US... it costs, a lot.
 
the Greek public are quite against austerity too, but they still have it.
 
this is the internetz, always wars raging :P
 
Romney or Obama?
 
8:46 PM
fuck Romney
 
eh
 
is that a vote for Obama then?
 
he's just gonna protect the rich all over again
 
Obama, I think, is not gonna do well
 
@JimNorton Obama, Romney has only recently run to the right though, I'd be surprised if he was that different in office
 
8:47 PM
well, since there's not much other choice
 
he didn't deliver on a lot of stuff
 
@DeadMG you keep saying that, but I seriously doubt it. We recently switched alcohol sales from government to public, and alcohol prices dropped about 30%.
 
@Collin I'm not happy with Romney either, I real want a true Conservative in office.
 
he didn't get a very nice package either when he started though, you gotta give him some credit
he was left with a mess
and it isn't gonna be cleaned up in 4 years
 
@MooingDuck Alcohol sales are not a national mandatory necessity.
they're a commodity, not a necessity, and the market forces are quite different
it's fine to allow private alcohol sales
 
8:48 PM
@TonyTheLion I give him some credit..... but just a very small amount.
 
@DeadMG no, but they run counter to your claim that the government can do things for more efficiently. US Govt is crazy inefficient.
 
@MooingDuck No, I only said that the government can deliver health care far more efficiently.
 
which it can, because about 90% of the rest of the world delivers public health care for about 50% of the cost (per capita ofc) of the United States.
 
@DeadMG In the US, Government can't do anything efficiently... it's shown by history
 
8:49 PM
@MooingDuck ever saw an efficient gov"t? Doesn't exist
 
@JimNorton Haha. Again, you lack perspective.
you don't have to be efficient to beat the US private system.
 
@TonyTheLion The Khmer Rouge were quite efficient at what they did. Sadly.
 
today I went to do something that required me to go to a gov't run office, and everything was still on paper, wtf? What age do we live in?
then they wonder why things are slow
 
the US government, if it collected all the money spent on healthcare, could just throw away massive amounts of it, and still be more efficient than that.
 
Fuck it. I'm wrong, DeadMG you are right.
 
8:50 PM
the government doesn't litigate itself, it doesn't spend money on advertising, it doesn't bribe doctors, etc
 
Life is too short to argue like this.
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I would argue if it produced fruit, but it hasn't, so I won't.
 
You're stupid. Fruit comes from plants, dude.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes DeadMG, got away from his keyboard!
What is a clant?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Lol!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Fruits are tasty.
 

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