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12:01 AM
So, more people were in trouble at the same site?
 
How do you learn to swim and not learn about hypothermia danger?
 
At the same site, in the past 20 years, every season somebody drowned.
If it were up to me, I'd shut it down immediately. The whole site is unsuited for dicking around in the water.
 
brb
 
It was basically a swamp forcefully turned into an attraction, to make a damn buck. And kids just die and die.
Depths go to 30-40 m. There is old concrete armatures in the depths, fallen trees and all sorts of kill me now dangers.
I don't know how I'm going to attend the funeral, that's just... Messed up. When I was 18, I was trying to figure out how to kiss a damn girl. I need to stop thinking about it.
 
@CatPlusPlus we don't get taught that. Then again, the circumstances are rarely so extreme in Holland
 
12:07 AM
I hate that SFINAE doesn't kick in on member functions inside a template class unless you make the function itself a template as well, mostly this results in code duplication/harder code to follow..
and please don't respond with any "but it's the way the language is designed", "it's the way the compiler will read your code", etc etc... I don't care, I'm just saying it would be easier.
 
C++ is not perfect, there's a lot of place for improvements. Sometimes you have to "take one for the team".
 
You can pick any thing in C++, and you'll find a stupid rule that makes you go "oh fuck off, why is this even here".
 
what team am I playing for?
 
@refp I see what you mean. Yeah, I've run into that a time or tow
 
that's the obvious question
 
12:08 AM
This is not a good language.
 
On the bright side, many things have become less restrictive and more consistent with C++11
 
Yup, they're really trying with C++11.
If only Microsoft followed up.
 
It's badly designed from the start.
If there was a decent replacement, I think we'd all jump on it.
D tried, missed and was promptly forgotten.
 
... D :)
 
Well, it was spawned off C, iteratively. That's basically a condemnation.
 
12:09 AM
Ah, you were thinking the same. Late for the troll train
 
Sometimes you need to scrap everything and go from the beginning
 
... Wide :|
 
I'm gonna write a quick example for those interested and can't seem to wrap their head around what it is that I'm talking about
 
nah from the puppy excrements I get the impression it is still vastly inspired by c++
 
Wide sounds good. But it's not just a good specification, if that were the case, I'd pop PHP out of the picture the first chance I got. We need backend support, people willing and desiring for change.
But most of them are just stuck in the old ways.
gcc is still rocking hard, with all its flaws.
 
12:11 AM
I don't know why I'm writing C++.
 
@refp I think the ones interested have a perfectly ok idea of what you are talking about. The robot, litb, LucDanton and Xeo will probably be able to tell you the rationale off the cuff too
 
I don't even care about PERFORMANCE.
It's weird.
Humpf.
 
I'm stuck with C++ because that's the only way to write a good realtime renderer.
 
Anyway, I should try to get some sleep. Bye.
 
But I love to dance with C#.
Night, Cat.
 
12:12 AM
Like most of us, you just like to twiddle bits, know what the machine does and boast
 
@sehe they would reply with one of the answers I wasn't interested in, to be honest I cannot see a good reason behind why SFINAE couldn't kick in for member functions declared inside a template class
 
@DomagojPandža The other night I attempted some sillyness in C++. I provided a quite literal translation in C# with unsafe and unchecked code and somehow it still ends up orders of magnitude slower
@refp Well, perhaps post on Stack Overflow proper. I wouldn't rule out the surprise explanation. My bet is that Luc Danton will nail it for you.
 
Ahahah, +1! Stuff born out of boredom always turns fun. :D
 
I was mainly curious (a) how easy it would be find sufficient digits of π (b) how much time it would take to get some kind of stats going
 
I love how this guy argues with Mystical on pi of all things. :D
 
12:17 AM
I was surprised on both accounts
2 hours ago, by Mysticial
He finally gave up:
 
@sehe yeah, I just need to think of a better example than ideone.com/YDXXN, but that proves what I'm talking about though..
 
Oh you knew, because it was the first thing you mentioned today, I think.
 
I mean, replacing the template parameter _ with Flag in the argument list to fcuk will make the compiler complain about errors (as it should, according to the standard)
but it's just.. tedious
 
I'm feeling tempted to attempt to go for the pi record myself, four powerhouse machines in my room alone and a bunch of harddrives to waste. The only thing that remains is the will to do it for over a year.
 
Ell
I don't know why I'm writing c++
I just like move semantics and RAII
 
12:23 AM
Hard to estimate the timeframe and all the problems.
 
Ell
they seem like the correct way of programming
 
@refp erm, yeah this is too easy to reduce:
template<typename T> void
is_integral_printer (T const& v ) {
    std::cerr << v << " is" << (std::is_integral<T>::value ? "n't" : "   ") << " an integral\n";
}
 
of course, but it's a matter of making it look more complicated than it has to be and write a question that makes it impossible to write answers as the above
 
@DomagojPandža yeah, see Mysticial's on all the times he had to manually revert to a milestone on hardware failures...
 
Perhaps I could take on the constant e.
 
12:28 AM
@DomagojPandža You could farm it out to an EC2 instance aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types. There are some hefty ones there. On the bright side, the compute power will come at easy to predict prices.
'Cluster GPU Quadruple Extra Large Instance' would seem nice. Only $2.100 per Hour
> Performance at Scale By leveraging the advanced networking and high computational capabilities of Amazon EC2 Cluster instances, customers can provision clusters that can give them supercomputing class performance without the need to build and operate their own HPC facility. For example, a 1064 instance (17024 cores) cluster of cc2.8xlarge instances was able to achieve 240.09 TeraFLOPS for the High Performance Linpack benchmark, placing the cluster at #42 in the November 2011 Top500 list.
 
better example snippet if I was to post a question regarding the matter
 
Wow, I never knew there was a language where you could say please: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL#Hello.2C_world
 
kind of useless example though, but it should get the point across
 
s/fcuk/value/g; s/Obj/IsInt/g
 
pff.. I'd prefer s,Obj,Boss,g; s,fcuk,Niggah,g;
 
12:37 AM
@sehe Well, each one of my 4 machines is like my primary. Two displays, i7 3960x, 2xHD6990s, 32 GB in 3 machines and 16 GB in the 4th machine (there weren't rammie sticks available, so I forgot to add them in). Could be fun to link them up.
Since I'm not getting new employees until the EU pulls the dick out of my country, I can pretty much do as I please with them.
 
@DomagojPandža from your name I'm guessing you are from poland? if that isn't the case, and you are really located somewhere a bit more south (such as Senegal, Africa) you could employee me - I don't even need to get no salary, just feed me once in a while.. and provide me with smokes and I'll be happy.
 
@chris Take a look at Chef, INTERCAL, Piet, APL, Inform7 for some more interesting languages
 
Actually, it's a little dump called Croatia. I'd love to get some competent people as soon as the damn legal troubles leave. My countrymen are just... I don't know.
 
I wouldn't have any thing against moving to Croatia, to be honest..
 
@sehe, Thanks, should be interesting.
 
12:41 AM
@DomagojPandža Sounds pretty useful. 32Gb sounds a little cramped for the kind of work Pi crunching requires, though. I'd guess moving more memory onto fewer boards would increase throughput
 
got a few friends there as well.. or "friends", some which I have modelled with, others who I just know from facebook.. mostly fashion people
 
@DomagojPandža You don't often generalize... but when you do?
 
Do you guys collect close votes for questions in here, or discuss closure of C++ questions in here?
 
Oh, it's expandable. Usually, I work with realtime radiosity which should be consumable by human peoples, not only by NASA. At least RAM is cheap, HDDs, unfortunately, are not.
Here's my home rig, I just love how it lights up the place, NASA style.
 
@RobertHarvey Sometimes. Most often, C++ crowd will just monitor the questions on their own accord
 
12:43 AM
Notice the white mouse.
 
@RobertHarvey Sometimes. Depends on if someone links it here.
 
The black one got a beating.
 
I was quite surprised to discover a chat room whose sole purpose is to collect pile-on close votes.
Well, OK. Reopening, deletion too.
 
why did I get a sudden urge to develop a MMORPG?
 
CLOSE... ALL THE POSTS!!
 
12:44 AM
DELETE... ALL THE TUBEZ!!
 
@RobertHarvey Huh. I wonder how that would work. It's not like it's so easy to monitor an extra chatroom
 
MMO urges are the worst. And MMOs are the worst. Concentrate on something that is obtainable without a hardcore data center.
 
Well, it wouldn't work for me anyway.
 
@sehe it's gonna be when I decide how to solve this SO chat client thingie..
 
@Mysticial How did you deal with the HDD shortage while working on crunching pi? I'm thinking about running for president of e.
Did it burn a hole in your pocket? :D
 
12:46 AM
I'm still tempted to write an IRCd and then just a minor plugin to irssi to solve the compatibility problem between IRC and the features here
 
@DomagojPandža Multiple hard drives. The program has built-in RAID0.
 
@RobertHarvey the typical thing that happens here is, people come in to discuss whether a duplicate exists/is applicable. And then, the occasional ridiculous question gets quoted for entertainment value. Close/delete votes are hardly ever (explicitely) requested.
On the other hand re-open votes are actively requested
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/11387767/… speaking of re-open votes, this question isn't the best written.. though it's hardly "non constructive", at least not to me
it's a valid question (for novice programmers), why would developers use /* ... */ for one-line comments when // is available, and it has a simple answer as well
 
Yeah, that's the very definition of not constructive. Second only to the Great Brace Placement wars.
 
@Mysticial Any plans to continue crunching?
10^15?
 
12:49 AM
@DomagojPandža I won't be running anymore computations myself. But other people are free to use the program as they wish - as long as they credit me to whatever records they break.
 
@RobertHarvey Well, I don't like the idea of reopening, but there are valid, objective reasons to use /* */ over //. For one thing, C compilers might not support //
In fact, I'll search for a duplicate first
 
A C compiler that doesn't support // doesn't deserve to be called a C compiler.
 
Underachieving compilers are underachieving.
 
pff.. // was introduced in C99
and I'm still one of those "idiots" who doesn't use // when writing C, call me old fashion but heck.. that's me
 
@refp I've been using // for a long time. Which meant that GNU C was the minimum since it allowed them by extension. Then I started using for loops with initialization. That eventually forced me to C99 minimum.
 
12:53 AM
So basically it's a "General Reference" question.
 
@Mysticial Well, at least it is easy to enforce the credit, you'd hear about it very early on.
It is unfortunate that there are too many people who like to sell other people's hard work as their own.
 
@DomagojPandža Nobody has dared to run a large computation without giving credit to the author of the program. Since it's usually a big feat.
If you break a records, people will ask you what the program is.
And you will always have to release it - even if it's closed-sourced.
 
"the program is secret, I created it and I won't share it with nobody"
 
Well, I guess then it can't be admitted, refp. :D
Probably a mandatory public knowledge statement.
 
12:55 AM
do you really have to release it? that can't be the case. sure, some might not take you as serious as if you would have, but the record should still be yours if someone can validate the data generated
 
@refp Then how will anyone be sure that the previously un-discovered digits are correct, anyway?
 
The other thing is: There are certain features that are enabled in "special" editions of the program. Anyone who has attempted to break a record has always approached me directly.
 
People need to analyze the software, not 10^15 digits. At least, such a thing seems logical to me.
 
My point exactly
 
I used to lock the program to just below the current world records at the time for that reason. Then it didn't seen necessary anymore, so I unlocked it.
 
12:57 AM
analyze the software? but heck, then you could write a working application, and then just make a few billion digits up saying "the software generated these"
 
@refp So far the only ones that were not released for the supercomputer computations. All the desktop computations all released a compiled binary.
 
the software should indeed be correct, it's just that you never ran the thing
 
@refp missing the point about verifiability
 
Well, if you have to software, people can run it for a day. Even the previous records can be used as a reference point.
 
Unless you're a past or existing record holder, you can't just come forward and say, "I have a new world record of XXX digits of Pi". Nobody will believe you without a publication of some sort.
 
12:58 AM
Technically, you could wank your way out of verification, but the next one would bury you.
 
A working binary is very convincing.
 
you get a big lead, and when you have.. you increase it by a massive magnitude, hoping that noone will catch up to the "made up" part during your lifetime
 
But, do you really want people to read in 2100.
that you were a lying dick? :D
 
@refp great. you get to be a dick now and posthumously too
 
People love records and people failing at records.
 
12:59 AM
well, not if I get children who will suffer for my mistakes.. but other than that I wouldn't mind coming across as one of the biggest trolls in modern history
 
@RobertHarvey This poor guy is new and doeesn't seem to know the concept of community wiki. Not sure if it's worth trying to inform him or just pull his awesome question out of CW.
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Q: What additional rotation is required for deletion from a Top-Down 2-3-4 Left-leaning Red Black tree?

kortschakI have been implementing an LLRB package that should be able to operate in either of the two modes, Bottom-Up 2-3 or Top-Down 2-3-4 described by Sedgewick (code - improved code, though dealing only with 2-3 trees here, thanks to RS for pointer). Sedgewick provides a very clear description of tre...

 
@refp so it would be a strange act of self-castration, in the logical end...
 
time to get another smoke, pop some pills and hope that my insomnia goes easy on me tonight
aiming for at least 1 hour of sleep (which will probably turn out to be about 15minutes * 4, but it's alright.. better than nothing)
 
Yup, it's hot. Hard to sleep.
Cold shower works best.
 
it's more a matter of.. "trouble sleeping for the past 12 years" matter, sadly
laptops are the worst.. I mean, now I can smoke and still be around even though I said I wouldn't be
:-/
 
1:04 AM
Also, quit smoking. It'll do you good.
 
Hah. Truth in advertising:
What I hate most about Twitter: finishing a good tweet, having -1 characters left, and then having to decide which grammar crime to commit.
(stole the retweet from sbi)
 
Twitter should be a short message service, but if someone wants to extend his message, there is no reason to forbid it.
Length restrictions are a pain in the ass, especially if you've got a good one.
 
I hate doing that so much; I always have to leave out commas and stuff.
 
Or the beautiful spacing after punctuation.Like this.
Hurts my eyes and soul.
 
@DomagojPandža yeah, probably. Though I work with three things where the ratio of smokers are quite high; fashion model, being a musician and software developer.. the probability of me being a smoker.. well, no need to explain things further.
I should get to bed now, otherwise I will start hallucinating because of the sleeping pills.. g'night y'all!
 
1:11 AM
'night!
 
1:26 AM
Just saw the old Google ad a few years back while checking out e records.
the first 10-digit prime formed out of consecutive digits of e.
Hah, had I seen that back then, I would've sent them a resume which unlocks with a puzzle after cracking it.
Just for the lulz.
 
1:39 AM
Damn 7427466391.com is 404 on me :)
 
unfortunately, it is gone :D
 
^ consolation link
On those notes, good night
 
night!
thanks for the awesome link, I'm going to enjoy that
 
1:59 AM
so bored...
 
2:11 AM
@ITNinja same, except that I have a lot of work to do...
 
@Mysticial well, i should be working on this udp framework...but i think im just gonna stick with playing chess against a computer xD
 
@ITNinja I'm reading and writing papers right now... A lot of stuff to do before the school year starts again. At least I can work on my own sleep schedule.
Not sure if sitting in front my computer with a tab and an auto-refresher open on SO is helping much...
 
yeah... im looking foward to next school year. I did my second semester web design 1 course in 3 days and finished with 100%, next year im going to try doing the entire web design 2 course in 4-6 days ;D
and yeah, probly not the easiest thing to concentrate on when your computer is on auto refresh on SO xD
 
@ITNinja There aren't a lot of good questions anyway... I skip the vast majority of the newbie FGITW questions. The good performance questions that I look out for are extremely rare...
 
I'm just annoying my neighbours by playing dark AC/DC songs on my strat.
Night prowler currently.
 
2:18 AM
yeah, I cant answer a whole lot of python questions on SO, because 90% of them are on Django or some other framework, which i dont work in xD
I answer alot of Tkinter questions though
 
If I really wanted to, I could snipe at every single newbie C, C++, or Java question. That's what I did back in September - December... That's where half my rep is from. But it got old real fast...
 
Yeah, not fun
 
yeah, i hate when people do that >.> there was one day that i had found a few good questions, but the same person got every single one of them because i couldnt type fast enough >.>
 
And then I got my first epic answer out of nowhere... Which was a huge wake up call to me that there are other things to do on SO than spam one-liner answers on every single newbie question.
 
I have never had an answer get more then 3 up votes (i think)
 
2:23 AM
You gotta be fast. :)
 
I try, but i have a tendency to test everything i write xD
I prefer not editing answers
 
@ITNinja Yeah, that won't work in this fast game... Answer first, improve and fix later.
 
i know xD its just not my style :P
 
The only time you should hold back an answer until you are done is when it is clear that you are the only person who is able to answer it.
My 166, 494, and 677-point answers were like that. They were hard enough where I knew that nobody else would be able to answer it. So I had time to write a good and complete answer.
Those are the types of questions that I look out for now. And they are rare...
 
yeah, well besides getting points on SO, ive actually learned alot from answering questions, as i joined SO when i was a super-noob writting little calculators and alot of the questions i had were answered in one liners that took me ages to understand, but now looking back on old questions and answers im like, omg, thats so simple xD
 
2:30 AM
Really rare. I'm a lazy bastard, so I just answered a few low-level rep-gaining answers to get past the 1000 points, so I can hang out here in peace.
The first thousand is the hardest if one wishes to answer questions. Usually, people are skeptical of answers from people with too low a rep.
I can now sit back, cheer in the lulz and trollin'. Also, chip in with Kyrostat.
 
@DomagojPandža I didn't really have that problem when I first joined SO. I took me about a week to learn the repwhoring game. And once I had it down, I had a 60+ day repcap streak which finally ended on Thanksgiving when there were no questions to answer.
 
see, to me, i help out where i can, but i dont go crazy over rep haha
 
I stopped caring much about rep in like December. That's because of the recap - which I had never hit so hard before prior to the loop question.
 
as im learning more c++, im also learning to hate it that much more >.>
 
After that, I was answering mainly to get the Legendary badge.
 
2:39 AM
The only reason it mattered to me was to actually blend in here with the guys.
I usually like to help out with this sort of questions, very specific which are important to people who are trying to get something to work, rather than quoting and elaborating the standard to scared newbies and getting into comment wars with C schmucks.
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A: DirectX Demo does not draw anything on screen

Domagoj PandžaPositions need to be encoded either in standard Euclidean space coordinates, a 3-tuple - or - passed in 4D homogenous coordinates which have the 4th component set to 1 (a 4-tuple)(since they're points). When you pass in your input element description, the layout of your vertex data, you set DXGI_...

 
@JerryCoffin How much have you lost to the repcap? %-wise.
 
I also want to slap bitches who edit my answers to remove the "Happy coding." from the bottom. A little human touch goes a long way.
 
@DomagojPandža I dare you to take that to meta. You will be destroyed.
 
@Mysticial Hell no. :D
 
:)
 
2:49 AM
One of the interesting things to me, at least, is that even the +40k users sometimes fail at things one would consider mandatory for such a rep count.
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A: undefined reference to array of constants

Domagoj PandžaThis is one of the quirks people run into, it's simply a matter that you've defined an a.h header file which declares a const array of 123 chars, and assigned it external linkage. When it is included into the b.cpp file, you're basically promising the compiler it's going to find in some other tra...

I didn't notice until recently that I had answered FredOverflow's question.
 
@DomagojPandža Oh yeah, everybody makes mistakes... Don't forget that rep is not a measure of expertise - but rather how much you have "contributed".
 
Luchian Grigore is probably the king of learning by mistake, at least as far I've seen in the past three months.
 
@DomagojPandža He's been topping the charts lately. But I haven't been following enough questions to notice anything.
 
see, i actually enjoy making mistakes on here, (minus the flamers), because i like looking at how i can do it in a different way :)
 
He's still in the process of sniping those newbie questions on the C++ tag. Sometimes, I'd like to write a more elaborate answer, but he drops a one liner and... it's gone.
 
2:55 AM
@DomagojPandža The way to deal with that, is to drop your own one-liner. Then start editing it into shape.
Oh wow, he's topping the C++ charts. (exclude me, since I only answered 2 questions)
 
Observe the ratios of rep and answers.
 
783 to 313. That's more than double.
@DomagojPandža True, but it's not like Jon Skeet is much better in the Java tag:
713/157
And again, exclude me since a single viral question will make things lopsided.
 
I don't know, I'd appreciate them more if they were to hit some nice per question appreciation. But that requires straining one's brain, it's easy to show a newbie how to put out a Hello World on the screen, it's an another thing to elaborate how to render geometry on two screens or illustrate branch prediction fails.
Let the < 500 guys take those little bits to grow. It's just funny to see someone with 20k+ rep bending over backwards to answer a trivial question.
 
@SethCarnegie Oh hey! Haven't seen you in while.
 
@Mysticial hey
 
3:11 AM
I messed up with my skinning technique based on dual quaternions and now I don't have the will to investigate it further.
I thought I was going to go running in the morning.
Morning came and I'm still here.
 
@DomagojPandža What changed?
oh xD
 
@Mysticial I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure the data dump site (or whatever it's supposed to be called) could yield that information, but I'm not quite ambitious enough to figure out how (at least at the moment).
 
@DomagojPandža how far do you usually go running for? :)
 
@JerryCoffin You can go into your /reputation page. Select All -> copy/paste into word. Then do a search and replace [0] with something else.
That'll give a rough number.
 
I run for an hour or two, depends on my will. Never less. Try to keep myself alive and stuff.
 
3:19 AM
For me, I had 3840 instances. So at least 38400 lost to repcap.
 
I think I'm going to force myself, think about my skinning technique all the while, perhaps uncover the culprit of the anomaly.
@Mysticial Ouch.
 
@DomagojPandža meh... Jon Skeet hates that repcap much more...
 
@Mysticial Ah, hadn't thought of that. A tad under 25%.
 
@DomagojPandža For me that's only 38400/48785 ratio. Jon Skeet's ratio I believe is > 2x. Meaning, without the repcap, he'd be well over a million rep.
 
What's the motivation behind the repcap?
 
3:25 AM
@DomagojPandža There's a bunch of them. I'll list the ones I can think of:
1. To prevent a single viral post from giving out a massive rep in a short amount of time. (aka, to hurt me, lol)
2. To prevent new users from getting all the privileges in a short amount of time.
3. To make the top users come back every single day.
 
@Mysticial Do you know any Jython?
 
Nope
 
darn, because i found a performance question with using it in Java that seems right up your alley :P
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Q: why Jython takes more execution time compare to standalone Python script

Utpal SarkarI am very new to Python/Jython just started 4 weeks back.The issue with execution time for jython script which takes 14 times more compare to standalone same python script.As per my project requirements we need to integrate python/Jython script with Java application. as per Jython doc i have cre...

 
1. Bah
2. Fair enough
3. Bah
 
"Popularity" is somewhat of a problem on SO. As seemingly trivial things can get massively upvoted just because it got a lot of initial votes or was reddited.
 
3:31 AM
So hawt. I hate summer.
 
This summer has been ridiculous - in the US...
 
+38°C
Fuck that shit.
 
I googled 38c thinking it would give it to me in Fahrenheit. Instead, I got a page of 38C bras...
 
in: [1,2,3]>1000
out: True
 
well...
 
3:36 AM
xD
 
@Mysticial I think the linear expression is almost twice the temperature in celsius plus a constant offset of 32. So, around ~100 °F? Do you use °?
Fahrenheits are so strange to me :D
 
It's` F = C*8/5 + 32`. That's how I memorized it. But I suck at head math.
Growing up in the US has polluted my brain with Fahrenheit.
 
@Mysticial Every normal human being does. Everyone who says he doesn't suck, either lies, endorses head tricks that he doesn't really understand or is a 1 in a million who was endowed with a special sigma significance on the brain power distributer gaussian graph.
 
OMG GAHH 90% of all the python questions that arent pertaining to a framework are about list sorting and stuff. >.>
 
Just checked, it's 9/5 of Tc.
 
3:42 AM
@DomagojPandža Typo actually. I meant 9.
@ITNinja And 90% of all C/C++ questions are about seg-faults. String manipulation. And UB.
 
Usually, round it off at 2, 38, 76, 108, take out almost a bit less than a tenth to compensate, spew a guess approx of ~100. For precision work, we invented these nice things called computers.
 
Who needs head-math when you have smart-phones? :D
 
True that. And if anyone gives you any grief over it, just remind them of that little thing you did. You know, those 10 000 000 000 000 motherfucking digits of pi.
 
I don't think I've ever been more than 50 feet from my iPhone except for when I'm at home, when the phone is in my bedroom and I'm in the opposite side of the house.
 
10^13, you can't even print that shit without spending a fortune.
 
3:50 AM
@DomagojPandža At size 12 font, it'll go to the moon and back 15 times I think.
 
But... Will it blend?
 
Yet it all fits nicely into my external RAID box.
 
Imagine someone stealing that box. :P
And rewriting it with pron.
 
I have a complete second copy of it in my server box. I'm waiting to HD prices to come down so I can put that backup into it's own box as well. The guy in Japan who I worked with has at least one complete copy.
@DomagojPandža 10TB of porn... great...
 
Well, Brazzers has gone full HD...
So I hear. :$
Jokes aside, have you considered shoving it in a more permanent storage unit? Something exotic, as a memory (human memory, not computer memory, sentimental value)?
 
3:54 AM
@DomagojPandža There's an old story about John Von Neumann related to that. Some interns (or somesuch) asked him the old question about the train leaving the station, bee leaves at the same time, flies to destination (faster than train, obviously), back to train, back to destination, etc, until train reaches destination. He gives the correct answer after about 10 seconds. They all look a little surprised, and he asks why.
They say they were hoping he'd miss the trick, and try to sum the infinite series. He replies: "Oh? What's the trick?"
 
um wut?
 
@Mysticial Oh gawd. Explaining a joke (even one I've been assured is 100% true, by a guy who claimed he was there) just ruins it.
 
dammit... I had to read it twice before I "think" I get it.
 
Ahahah, Neumann was a very special character. I'm very appreciative of his work on the Monte Carlo methods along with Ulam. I am proud to say that I stumbled on it personally in my work, but didn't really formalize it so well.
 
@JerryCoffin That reminds me of how I mathematically "proved" that one of my optimizations was correct...
 
3:58 AM
And I simply love the name, a casino where Ulam's uncle spent a lot of money.
 
This thing that I posted a while back. One of the nastiest optimizations that I've ever done:
Apr 16 at 4:38, by Mysticial
#define ymi_CVN_u64d19_to_strd_u1_SSE41(T,A){   \
    const __m128d _SCALE0 = _mm_set1_pd(0.000004096);   \
    /* const __m128d _SCALE1 = _mm_set1_pd(4096.); */   \
    const __m128d _SCALE2 = _mm_set1_pd(0.000000001);   \
    const __m128d _SCALE3 = _mm_set1_pd(0.00000001);    \
    const __m128d _TEN = _mm_set1_pd(10.);  \
    const __m128d _ADD = _mm_set1_pd(0.00000000000001); \
    const __m128d _MASK0 = _mm_set1_pd(4503599627370496.);  \
    const __m128d _MASK1 = _mm_castsi128_pd(_mm_set_epi32(0x000fffff,0xffffffff,0x000fffff,0xffffffff));    \
Its proof of correctness was literally: brute force all possible inputs.
 
I love one of his quotes: "If someone doesn't believe that math is simple, that's only because they don't understand how complicated life is."
And his early acceptance of computer science, truly an open minded individual.
 
@DomagojPandža There's a (apparently fairly credible) claim that his real ambition was to build a machine that could do math as fast as he could in his head -- and that he never quite succeeded.
 
sigh i need ideas for a program to get me into c++ a bit more, but i cant think of anything .
 
@ITNinja Pi to 10 trillion digits. :P
 
4:03 AM
@JerryCoffin I wonder how that feels, doing the math in your head - without tricks.
 
Oh wait... that was in pure C. Not C++... nevermind.
 
throws in towel I quit.
xD
 
@ITNinja This used to be much easier. When I started playing with them, computers had so many annoyances that thinking up things I wanted (needed) to do better than existing stuff was easy...
 
I can truly say that I understand the mathematical notions of number systems, algebra, abstract algebra, I've even defined (reinvented the wheel) all the number systems from a basis similar to Peano axioms because the set theory was too implicit for me to accept (especially notions of distributive and commutative properties)
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, i mean i could work on a lot of different things, however, a lot of them have been done before and would be boring to recreate, which is my issue, i get bored of the project >.>
 
4:05 AM
But, doing fast math in my head, no can't do.
 
@DomagojPandža Sometimes when I was a teenager and couldn't get to sleep, I'd compute factorials in my head. I could dependably do up to 11 factorial mentally, and was once pretty sure I'd made it to 15! accurately (but I didn't write it down, and by morning couldn't remember it to check). That's more about memory than real math though.
 
"Sometimes when I was a teenager and couldn't get to sleep, I'd compute factorials in my head." I got that far and was like... holy shit...

When I was a teenager, I was still thinking about how to catch that damn Mewtwo without a Master Ball...
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, it's fun to exercise such things. But the level of Neumann, if the stories are true, I can't even imagine that.
 
:4435814 ROFL!
 
merged, fix that star
 
4:09 AM
I did have a professor in college who was pretty amazing -- you'd work for hours on some calculus, he'd glance at it (well, not exactly glance -- he was legally blind) and figure out what you'd done wrong and know the right answer in about 15 seconds.
 
@JerryCoffin How did he grade your work? (just out of curiosity)
 
As a teenager, I managed to dazzle my physics professor in 7th grade by finding a way to accurately calculate the classic Riemann integration. I was obsessed with the visual side of mathematics, so the notions of calculus hit me pretty fast. Of course, I had no idea of formalizing stuff, validating the very small numbers and stuff. I called them "very small numbers" and the way it is said in Croatia is "limes" for limit
 
@Mysticial Yes, "hopeless geek" applied pretty well. Gotta remember though -- it was a long time ago. The only video game (literally the only one) was "Pong", and I doubt anybody spent much time thinking about it...
 
What's the c++ library that contains sqrt()? Is it #include<math.h>?
 
And my professor kept saying "limes", but I had no idea what's she's talking about at the time. All I knew is that you need very small numbers. xd
 
4:12 AM
@ITNinja He could read -- just had to have his nose pressed against the page to do it. When he was writing stuff on the blackboard, he'd literally turn around with the end of his nose white from rubbing chalk off the board. I'm pretty sure most of his grading was done by grad students though.
 
@JerryCoffin oh ok ^.^
 
@JerryCoffin On average, how long did it take you to compute the factorials in your head?
I can keep track of it all in there, but actual "lookup" takes a while. Then writing it back down into memory, rearranging everything.
 
@DomagojPandža I'm not sure -- as I said, it was most when I couldn't sleep, so it was lying awake in the dark with no real indication of time.
 
But as you go further, it just breaks apart, too much stuff to keep track of. And then I start thinking about death and stuff.
 
@DomagojPandža I've read that psychologists find some extremely close parallels between depression and the concentration used to solve problems.
 
4:17 AM
Oh, I can testify to that. Sometimes, I get into these really grim moods while working, most certainly depression.
 
@NicoBellic In C++ the official recommendation is to #include <cmath> instead, but yes, it's in <math.h> as well. That's the header, not the library though. On Unix/Linux, you have to link with the math library with -lm, or it'll show up as an undefined external.
 
See, the most memorable thing from my past was the look on my teachers face when i was able to get admin control of my school's "virtual classroom" using a little bit of social engineering,python(win32com), and auto-it xD
(they didnt block execution of programs off of external devices at the time, so i was able to launch it all off of a USB)
 
@JerryCoffin yeah. I kept getting this obscure error everytime I called <cmath> or <math.h>. The problem was apparently that I had called a variable "y1" and the math library didn't like it. Had to change it to yy1, but initially I thought I had the wrong library.
 
"Israel Halperin said: "Keeping up with him was... impossible. The feeling was you were on a tricycle chasing a racing car."
Must suck for people.
Sometimes you can really hate nature for not providing equal ground for everyone.
And then separate on will and desire, not natural prowess.
 
@DomagojPandža I can't really agree -- seems to me like the world would be pretty boring if everybody was that similar.
 
4:24 AM
@JerryCoffin Not similar. Just equal grounds. Passions preserved.
 
Everyone is equal. But some are more equal than others.
 
But one thing I appreciate on the current order of things is that some people, like Neumann, use their natural potential instead of wasting it.
 
@DomagojPandža I think we're closer to that than most people realize/believe. While there are clearly differences, I think they're a lot more in what kinds of things people are good at than in major differences in basic capabilities.
 
"Despite being a notoriously bad driver, he nonetheless enjoyed driving (frequently while reading a book)—occasioning numerous arrests as well as accidents."
lol
 
@DomagojPandža To an extent. Though it's better now than it used to be, I think schools really try to keep people as "equal" as possible, rather than helping the more gifted to do as much as they can.
@DomagojPandža Hm...should have done like Shannon and gotten a unicycle.
 
4:28 AM
At Princeton he received complaints for regularly playing extremely loud German marching music on his gramophone, which distracted those in neighbouring offices, including Einstein, from their work.
I hate the 21st century. So many people did such great work in the 20th century.
The only thing we have in the 21st century is the Higgs boson and that's a brute force experiment.
Well, to be precise, it's a new particle @ 126.5 GeV @ 5 sigma sign. It's definitely a new particle, the biggest one yet, but whether it is really the carrier of the higgs field by the proposed higgs mechanism - remains to be seen.
 
@DomagojPandža We have 7/8ths of the century left -- I predict at least one or two more interesting things will be done before the century's over.
 
I know... But... Einstein, Heisenberg, Gödel, Sagan, Feynman, Neumann, Ulam, Bohr, Schrödinger, Turing... Hell, I get sad just by naming them.
That excitement of discovery, waking up with a purpose, with a goal in sight.
 
@DomagojPandža I doubt many people will remember my name in 100 years, but that doesn't stop me from feeling that way pretty regularly -- and even when I don't, I'm pretty sure my kids do.
 
True, true. Everyone is awesome. But I'd sure like some scientific excitement. All I've had lately is the crash of my hope instead of the crash of the standard model. But I still hope for the same thing that Feynman said: "Nature will always have something in store for man" and the quote of Lorentz's physics professor: "There is nothing to discover, we already know everything."
Boy, was he wrong. Even Lorentz didn't get what he had discovered in December of 1900.
Too conservative, such a shame. Like Michelson and Morley. You need balls to think outside the box.
 
@DomagojPandža Not to mention the head of the US patent office who said they should shut it down, because everything significant had already been invented -- before Thomas Edison had filed his first patent.
@DomagojPandža Nope -- and (I can't resist a nice twist of wording) nearly nobody yet fully appreciates what Lorenz discovered either.
 
4:49 AM
@JerryCoffin Lorentz did some amazing things. He first discovered the nature of electrons, postulated the lorentz transform, length contraction when he was studying the "problem" with the interferometer. It is just sad that he didn't pursue it further, he was content with the mathematical consistency.
But he did have a hard time accepting the concept of quantas, the things he had formulated. He is the father of quantum mechanics, but much like Einstein later on, he couldn't deal with that very well.
Died believing he failed to "break the problem".
That the world is driven by probability which resolves into more distinguishable patterns on our level.
When I first turned to probability for my radiosity renderer, damn, I was so disappointed I can't do it with deterministic certainty, even if it meant cheating a bit.
But it's the reality of our existence, you simply have to deal with it. Ask yourself, why not. Etc.
 
@DomagojPandža Who says our existence is a reality? For years (many years) my tagline was "The universe is a figment of its own imagination."
 

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