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10:01 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yup, I thought of that a mere fraction of a second after executing rm
I find it totally irresponsible that rm is actually allowed to exist. Why does the POSIX standard not mandate that it moves to trash instead? This is 2012, not 1980.
 
Trash? What is this thing you're talking about?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You know, trash can. A special folder like ~/.trashes or whatever where deleted files go intermittently before being permanently removed
… every modern OS has them …
 
Oh, that thing that hogs your disk space instead of actually killing things.
I disable that crap.
When I delete something, I want it gone.
I just don't wield the delete gun as if it was a quill.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Because anybody actually has disc space problems nowadays. Yes. (I vaguely remember having this discussion in the chat before)
anyway, it’s a pretty well-established UX principle that no action should be irreversible unless there’s an iron-clad reason, and then make the action very hard
 
@KonradRudolph Then why do you even bother deleting the things?
 
10:05 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Because that’s what rm’s there for, no?
 
@KonradRudolph Right, but I don't bring out rm unless I really want the thing gone (or am on a folder under VCS). The trash can only annoys me because the thing is not gone.
 
perhaps you should use a script called trash that simply moves a file to a special folder, and logs it. allow your self to do trash undo and it will get the last entry from the log file, and undo the operation, and remove the entry form the log
 
@thecoshman I’d rather symlink rm to do that. After all, rm is well established and all that. The command is fine, the semantics just need to change
 
@KonradRudolph if you change the semantics, it won't be rm any more
 
All you need is to get paranoid and start treating rm with respect :P
 
10:07 AM
no, the semantics are just pefcet, it REMOVES the files from your computer. the name does not imply that it will move the folder away to some special folder that you can clear out files older then x
 
@ecatmur Well, close enough. It removes a file
that it keeps a backup somewhere else is just a nice detail
@RMartinhoFernandes A hard habit to break
> error: xxxx/lib/python2.7/site.py is not a setuptools-generated site.py; please remove it.
oh no I won’t, not again
 
On the subject of helpful error messages:
 
sbi
> They erect this fence," he said, "only to go out there a few days later and discover that these guys have a catapult, and they're flinging hundred-pound bales of marijuana over to the other side." He paused and looked at me for a second. "A catapult," he repeated. "We've got the best fence money can buy, and they counter us with a 2,500-year-old technology. — NYT
 
10:13 AM
Lol.
 
@sbi Symptomatic of the whole US’ drug policy
 
@sbi Reminds me of the classic "writing a pen that works in space" logic of NASA
 
jaffa is back & I'm a good boy
 
@bamboon I tried to load drdobbs, i think, in october. The page is still loading. That site is annoying
 
@sehe well, I think the tutorials are really one of the better ones, but the page itself is crap
 
10:17 AM
I'm a good boy :)
 
@KonradRudolph Many. I'd hate my SSD space being spoiled for this nonsense
 
@sehe what do you think about van persie leaving arsenal?
 
@KonradRudolph Huh. I didn't know that principle. Also, that's why there is revision control
 
@sehe Wrong priorities. “spoil” … what the frack? It’s transient backup storage, gone at the next reboot or in fixed intervals set by a cronjob
 
@jaffa I think that is a funny sentence with funny foreign words that don't mean anything much to me
 
10:19 AM
@sehe We had this conversation before, old ape. There’s no version control for most files, see my particular case above
 
s/ape/bear/
 
sbi
@Neil In the 80s, I maintained Russian helicopters for a while. While that space pen story might well be a hoax, it's one that has a lot of truth behind it. We maintained navigation hardware that did mathematical integration inside — mechanically! Those things were incredibly tough. We always assumed that you could take those boxes and throw them against the wall, with the only effect being that you would need to repair the wall, and this was not all jokes.
 
@sehe you don't know van persie?
 
@KonradRudolph ? of course there is. Likely, you didn't use it. Also, the apt repositories count as revision control for me
@jaffa See edit
 
@sehe I don’t have a repository, I maintain from-source installations here, and unfortunately there’s no easy way around this. Reinstalling Python is not trivial
 
10:21 AM
Erm what?
Can't you just $ vcs go_back_in_time?
 
@KonradRudolph Soooo. I get the impression you might think my calling that 'spoilage' is normative? I think the retort is very funny then: 'wrong priorities' is both very normative and subjective. Live with it. Fix your OS. Use backups. Use version control.
 
@sbi my estimates at your age suddenly rocket towards the latest 60's early 70's, kind of feel like getting you stressed out could be dangerous for your health
 
@sehe Now you’re assuming that your way of doing it is right and normative
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Ape. Bear. Really, it's that easy.
 
10:23 AM
@KonradRudolph What distributions? On all installations I ever used, there is the equivalent of sudo checkinstall make isntall to create neat packages.
@KonradRudolph ? no. I'm saying we just disagree. No need to call my priorities wrong.
 
@sehe but since this is a server I have no control over, I cannot easily use automated backups on it, and version control is inadequate for this case, as previously noted
 
@sbi And the most important of all, bears are not related to pigs.
 
@KonradRudolph Clearly, your line of defense is to be careful then
@RMartinhoFernandes So happy to know that. I love you too today
 
@sehe I’m not a sudoer, but I’ve never heard of checkinstall, might check that
@sehe Exactly. My stance is that rm should, were it well-designed, support this actively
 
@KonradRudolph Well, why even mention it. Of course the sudo was irrelevant really.
 
10:25 AM
@sehe It's a "basic bear fact", man.
 
@sehe Since I don’t know the latter, I couldn’t be sure about the former, since you explicitly mentioned it
 
@KonradRudolph Just learn to type del and use and alias.
 
anyway, there’s no checkinstall here, might check that out once I get the occasion
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I noticed. I'm slightly embarassed I didn't actively check this fact before
 
@sehe Yes, but my whole gripe is: why isn’t this a default, and why isn’t it rm?
 
10:26 AM
@KonradRudolph I presume you know what sudo does. You can therefore work out whether it is relevant :) (I was referring to 'the equivalent of' functionally)
The UNIX-HATERS Handbook is a semi-humorous edited compilation of messages to the UNIX-HATERS mailing list. The book was edited by Simson Garfinkel, Daniel Weise and Steven Strassmann and published in 1994. The book was made available to download for free in electronic format in 2003. Contents The book concerns the frustrations of users of the Unix operating system. Many users had come from systems that they felt were far more sophisticated in computer science terms, and were tremendously frustrated by the worse is better design philosophy that they felt Unix and much of its softwar...
^ For you, @KonradRudolph
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Of course, they are. We're all Eutheriens.
 
@sehe Is it a “resistance-to-change” handbook?
 
@KonradRudolph Read it. Possibly better resource: msoulier.wordpress.com/2006/06/05/the-unix-haters-guide
 
@all I'm a good boy
 
@KonradRudolph It's a "sendmail is the worst thing ever imagined, capable of driving even Cthulhu itself insane"-handbook.
 
10:28 AM
@jaffa You mention that a lot
Jul 6 at 10:03, by jaffa
Hi guys. I'm a good boy :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hmm, the title, in context here, sounds more like a paraphrase of what I just said
 
I think it mentions something similar somewhere, but it features sendmail heavily.
Hmm, why are [U+DC80, U+DCFF] invalid codepoints?
Aren't those trail surrogates?
 
@sehe because I'm one, no one can mention because they are not ! :)
 
Hmm, I'm going to file this under "wikipedia was wrong".
 
sbi
@jaffa Unfortunately, @all hasn't shown up today yet. Maybe you come back to try to catch the guy later? We'll tell him you have asked.
 
10:40 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes yup. Where does Wikipedia say that?
 
@sbi good one. Thank you :) . Please notify me when he is here
 
@ecatmur It says they are invalid codepoints and thus sometimes used as replacement characters by some programs.
I found it odd that they were singling out only those, since surrogates are from U+D800 to U+DCFF.
Looks like a typo.
Oh no, wait, it makes sense now.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
@ecatmur Yeah, that confirms what I figured out. Thanks.
 
Wow, crazy: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0393/#specification
My brain hurts just looking at that; glad I'm not writing any CPython code right now.
 
10:55 AM
@sbi mechanical calculator which performed mathematical integration?
You're pulling my leg
 
This is fucking awesome what-if.xkcd.com/1
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> A careful reading of official Major League Baseball Rule 6.08(b) suggests that in this situation, the batter would be considered "hit by pitch", and would be eligible to advance to first base.
 
evening
 
huh
found an old question from a year ago that I accepted an answer to which completely did not answer the question whatsoever
 
11:12 AM
not surprised
 
didn't sbi say something about how if you don't think your old code sucks, you're doing it wrong?
 
I think many people do.
 
Hey guys, I am trying to parallelize a code
but it isnt happening
can anybody here help me if i send him the code
 
@DeadMG this one ? :)
 
no
 
11:15 AM
@AakashAnuj Sure. How much are you paying?
 
@AakashAnuj Stack Overflow
 
@jalf payign as in?
 
Don't tell me "I can't post questions there".
 
ahh
 
@AakashAnuj As in, giving us money.
 
11:15 AM
@AakashAnuj Money. Dough. Pecunia
 
i m not getting a reply there
 
don't work for free you know
 
@AakashAnuj As in "if I'm going to be sent code that I need to personally fix, then I expect to be paid for it"
 
@AakashAnuj I can't see your parallelization question there. This one?
 
if you're not getting an answer to your question on SO, then you should probably try to improve the question
 
11:17 AM
@jaif all i can pay is some garbage values you know :P
its not about improving, the snippet is big
 
Make it small.
That's an improvement.
 
but then it wont explain all the things clearly
anyways, i'll find an alternative
thanx
 
@AakashAnuj Show us the question you posted on SO :)
Then we might be able to help you figure out why you're not getting answers to it
 
i want to figure out the answer
not the reason why m not getting them
 
Presumably you posted the question because you want an answer to it, yes?
 
11:19 AM
@AakashAnuj Then it's exceptionally likely that nobody will be bothered?
 
If you want an answer, and have not gotten an answer, then you should probably improve the question
 
Ok.
 
If you don't want to do that, then the only other option I can see is "pay someone to fix your problem for you"
I'm just offering that if you show us the question, we might be able to help you improve it
So that we, or someone else, will be more likely to answer it
 
@AakashAnuj Really: This one? I posted an answer there just in case
But the answer was really already there:
Read about scoping in OpenMP. And with 0% accept rate don't expect much answers here. — Hristo Iliev Jul 2 at 8:07
 
not this
 
11:22 AM
which one...
 
I presume it has been deleted
Actually it was regarding openMP
i m trying to compute fluxes parallely
 
Well, you have several OMP questions. Many of which share the same problem, really
 
but the open MP is not working
 
11:23 AM
it has been deleted now.
 
@AakashAnuj It sits on the couch all day?
 
Then the obvious question is "why did it get deleted?"
 
Please listen to the qstn first
 
@AakashAnuj Who cares. There was wisdom in this:
5 mins ago, by Aakash Anuj
i want to figure out the answer
@AakashAnuj Post it on Stack Overflow, that way, people can choose to read it.
 
The question has been deleted because now SO is not accepting qstns from my account
that is why i deleted it
 
11:26 AM
@all are you here?
 
@AakashAnuj That happens if you post too many very low quality questions. I believe the way to "fix" it is to try to improve your existing questions, and then asking a moderator to restore your account
 
Ok, and where do i get to chat with the mod?
 
what is the procedure?
 
We don't know, we don't get banned.
 
11:28 AM
@AakashAnuj first, you need to improve your existing questions :)
 
@jalf fwiw Mods can't "restore" question bans
 
18 hours ago, by Mooing Duck
I hate it when my computer freezes for several seconds because I did something silly like mouse-over the solution explorer in Visual Studio.
@MooingDuck It is getting really hard to see how you were defending IDEs the other night :)
 
but apart from that, you can either flag one of your questions for moderator attention, or post on meta.stackoverflow.com
 
I see
 
@Sathya well, if nothing else, they can tell you what to do :)
 
11:29 AM
if anybody is interested, can i ask my qstn here?
 
@jalf true.
 
@jalf I can do that, too. Don't post shit posts.
 
@AakashAnuj Nope.
 
Fine then
 
14 mins ago, by sehe
Don't tell me "I can't post questions there".
 
11:30 AM
I told you i have less time
 
@AakashAnuj also, see:
 
We have even less.
 
16 hours ago, by Mooing Duck
@Jordan http://chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=%22no+longer+accepting+questions%22&room=‌​10
 
Assuming your time is worth more than mine is rude.
 
Thats what i asked for,
if you all have time, didnt i?
 
11:31 AM
@AakashAnuj ^ the linked search show that every single time you get the message you get linked to goo.gl/C1Kwu which answers precisely your questions about getting in contact and fixing the ban.
 
Well, now you know the answer.
 
@AakashAnuj True
 
Yeah, lets hope that I recover my account soon
 
Hehe. Posted another Spirit answer that will probably go entirely unnoticed. The question has 0 votes, and the only answer had already been accepted (with no votes).
 
@sehe lol
 
11:34 AM
It won't go entirely unnoticed if you publicize it like that!
Liar.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, I'm low like that. But it is true. If I hadn't mentioned it, no one would ever notice. Happens to many of my answers :)
 
@sehe that's the sad thing about niche corners
 
Yeah. One that I've been embracing for a long time. I sometimes advertise my efforts here to boost my ego a bit :)
@AakashAnuj are you having trouble finding the room?
@bamboon Yup. Plurarlize that :)
 
12:14 PM
hmmm
if I'm on a job seeking site, and it asks for a picture of me, I really shouldn't use my gravatar
right?
 
@DeadMG You want your employers to think they're hiring a puppy?
 
Well, that depends, is that really you? I can't tell.
 
well
the temptation is kinda irresistible
 
@DeadMG are you talking about C++ class and structs... the ones that are exactly the same apart form the default access?
 
I'll fix it in a couple days
@thecoshman No, C structs and C++ classes/structs.
 
12:17 PM
@DeadMG just don't use you gravatar.
 
@DeadMG oh, so stuff I don't care about and stuff I do care about?
 
@thecoshman Stuff where one is clearly and objectively better than the other.
@rubenvb You're right. I deleted it.
 
@DeadMG C structs I don't care about. C++ class and structs, where I am bored of slapping people for thinking there is some significant difference
 
@thecoshman .. right. I'm glad that you entered a discussion which you don't care about?
what is the difference between a CV and a resume, anyway?
 
@DeadMG the etymology of the words.
 
12:21 PM
@DeadMG the same as structs vs classes
 
@thecoshman public by default?
 
@DeadMG ah, well, I feared there was stupidity afoot, claim that C++ structs are some how faster/cheaper then classes
@rubenvb I was actually going for moot, but what ever :P
 
@thecoshman You are in the Lounge<C++>. Tread carefully :)
 
@thecoshman lulz
 
@sehe ¬_¬ is that honest lulz or mocking lulz?
 
12:27 PM
@DeadMG CV is more comprehensive.
 
CV is hard facts, resume is blah blah
 
AFAIK the words are used interchangeably
 
@DeadMG job sites are allowed to ask for pictures? Isn't that asking for diversity lawsuits?
 
I think resume is a more American word
 
A CV is mainly a European thing, resume is largely US
 
12:30 PM
@ecatmur They didn't ask for one, they simply allowed me to upload one.
 
@thecoshman why do you care. It was honest and mocking, depending on the target of the lulz
 
and I don't know why I found it so tempting to upload my gravatar
 
Because real pictures are boring.
 
too true
 
but also, a CV is basically "the story of your life". Where did you study, what have you done. A resume is more of a sales pitch, with a much looser structure
 
12:31 PM
hmm
I should really have put on stuff like, my A level grades
which I completely didn't
 
@sehe because I rarely know how to react to things you say. Not sure what it is, but you often come across to me in a way I am sure you don't intend to
 
TBH, if in doubt, google for examples of the one they ask for (whether CV or resume)
that's what I always do :)
 
I wouldn't bother with any grades on a CV.
Then again I never wrote one.
 
lol
 
12:32 PM
I'd but your more recent grades, they are the ones that matter most
 
@CatPlusPlus Depends on the grades. If they're spectacular, and you think it matters, then put them on the CV. But I usually don't put grades
 
@thecoshman so... why do you care?
 
meh
@jalf considering his A levels are his most recent education and he has no work experience, what else can he put
"hi, I've never worked and have no education to show you, can I has money now?"
 
lol: This guy is really motivated to get his question answered
in Room for sehe and Aakash Anuj, 18 secs ago, by sehe
room topic changed to Room for sehe and Aakash Anuj: Earth to Aakash - This is London calling [openmp] [question-banned]
 
well, strictly speaking, I do have three years of C++ and three years of Lua, even if not in a commercial environment
and I still have that letter from Stack Exchange telling me what a wonderful person I am
 
12:35 PM
@thecoshman On the other hand, putting those grades might also indicate that "I really have nothing useful to put on my CV, so here are some grades I got a million years ago"
 
@DeadMG What letter :)
 
@DeadMG Definitely put that on the cv
 
@sehe The one you get for spending far too much time here and earning 50k rep in 1 day
 
@DeadMG what letter is that?
 
where Joel Spolsky tells you how grateful he is that a person as smart as me would deign to assist him (paraphrased)
 
12:36 PM
@DeadMG "50k rep in 1 day"
 
and you get a t-shirt too
 
Pics.
 
@DeadMG what really?
 
I bet I never got that because (a) I was late to the party (b) I refuse to fill out my home address.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's at university, but I will.
 
12:37 PM
@DeadMG ¬_¬ sceptical, it's not that email about having you on careers is it?
 
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Q: Stack Overflow T-shirt, 3rd anniversary edition

JinI was talking to Jarrod the other night about the early days of Stack Overflow. I then realized SO came out of private Beta three years ago. What better way to celebrate this milestone than making a T-shirt for it? I wanted to come up with a design that's interesting and regular SO users can r...

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It's been 3 years since Stack Overflow became a public website. As one of the top all-time Stack Overflow users, you've helped us make Stack Overflow what it is today. Thanks for coming along on the ride with us so far.

As a small token of our appreciation, we'd like to send you a custom, special edition third anniversary Stack Overflow t-shirt, completely free:
 
@sehe you get an email saying that if you fill in a form with your home address, they'll send you those goodies
 
in mah emails
 
I've got two SO shirts so far
 
This is creepy 'sensatianangelism': readthisbeforeyoudie.com
 
12:39 PM
first one was fugly. Second was kinda cool
 
@jalf Oh, I bet junk mail filter. Also, it says third anniversary. I'm pretty sure I wasn't active on SO at that time
 
@DeadMG Damn, I never got that t-shirt, must have been lost on the way :'( … I so wanted to have a Unicorn teashirt
 
pretty sure I actually ruined mine by spilling something on it
 
Ah yeah, that's the nice one. First one was just white with a big standard SO logo
 
I didn't get anything. :(
 
12:41 PM
because I AM THE GREETEST
 
You had to be on the first N pages of highest repped users, iirc
 
GTREATINGS TO YOU
 
@sehe Fail!
it's Futurama
 
I'd be on the first of the most awesomest. :<
 
@DeadMG Damn, I was afk
 
12:44 PM
for no raisin, I'll bet
 
@DeadMG FOR NO RASIN!
 
no, you numpty, it's a raisin, not a rasin.
 
Because fry didn't know how to spell :P
 
raisin = fruit
rasin = sweat
no?
 
there is no English word "rasin".
 
12:46 PM
resin perhaps?
 
@DeadMG is there not that chocolate bar, little caramel cubes coated in tasty choc
or is that risen?
 
Anyone looking for a research position in Canada? dwave.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/…
 
that wouldn't make it a word
 
@DeadMG Duh. It's greatest, not greetest, slowpoke
 
@DeadMG stupid rules about what makes a word (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
12:48 PM
@sehe No. The word the brain says is "raisin".
 
raisins are nasty little feckers
 
@RMartinhoFernandes > A careful reading of official Major League Baseball Rule 6.08(b) suggests that in this situation, the batter would be considered "hit by pitch", and would be eligible to advance to first base.
Nice.
 
> After accidentally running rm -rf Desktop one day
wat
 
you can't save users from them selves
 
12:58 PM
(Also lol keeping things on desktop.)
 
@CatPlusPlus indeed
 

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