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2:00 PM
I need to renexus my flash 7
 
Working with MySQL exceptions signals is so much fun
 
Meanwhile in Dnepr 056.ua/news/863375 (/cc @JesusChrist)
 
man the 'using' keyword in c++11 has really spoiled me
I feel like I'm abusing it
 
How could you abuse it
 
@sehe have you seen the situation in Georgia(the country)? the flood destroyed the zoo and the animals (lions, crocodiles, bears, etc...) were wondering around the city
 
2:04 PM
> wondering
:) No in fact I didn't
 
@sehe if there's a way to do it, I'll find it :p
 
Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm downvoting this request, and you should too — LittleBobbyTables 9 mins ago
 
@elia Don't message me with your garbage anymore.
BURN THE TRANSPHOBE
those frigging idiots
 
@sehe here
 
@Prismatic it's a weak type alias. Not sure how can you abuse that
having type aliases is good
 
2:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Er, "please leave me alone" is hardly "burn the witch".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you think this tweet says "please leave me alone", you need glasses
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was nowhere near "please leave me alone".
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't say anything about harming the recipient.
 
Officially calling on @elia and @opalrb to retract and apologize for transphobic behavior and donate to a transgender charity of my choice.
lol how fucking delusional she is
 
I might go more with "pissed off"
 
2:08 PM
@khajvah wow
 
@Puppy that was WRT "donate to a transgender charity"
that project has literally 0 budget. It's only made because people contribute their time to it
and then she comes in with her fucked up attitude and world views and DEMANDS they kick him out and donate money
 
bartek
 
I was wrong, it's not delusional. It's not "pissed off" either. It's just being fucked up in the head.
 
the project has 0 budget, the people making it don't
 
Ell
I totally forgot what I've done to my tablet
 
2:11 PM
if your hair was slightly longer, your avatar would look kind of like hers
 
Ell
I have MultiROM on it
and TeamWin recovery or something
 
@Prismatic except I'm not afraid of my face.
 
I know, its just funny
 
> catholic & unborn rights activist
On that elia guy's profile.
Fwin fwin fwiiinn
 
@BartekBanachewicz what does it say, according to you?
 
2:12 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ... yeah that's about what I'd expect.
 
@EtiennedeMartel that should at least ensure I'm not biased towards him
 
@BartekBanachewicz o_0 what's kicked off this time?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
Not really getting what's going on, but transphobes are assholes by definition.
 
I think it's my favourite SMBC ever
 
2:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel we are all assholes, by science (and slightly twisting the meaning of things)
 
@EtiennedeMartel the fact whether elia is an asshole or not is irrelevant here
assholes contribute to OSS projects and should be allowed to do so.
just because a bunch of idiots got "offended" over that, doesn't mean he stops being a valuable contributor
 
and that "pay to charity" thing is just hilarious
 
@FlorianMargaine close
 
just people expressing opinions on twitter, shouldn't matter
 
2:15 PM
You still think it is about someone getting offended?
 
if the guy says "activist" on github, fuck him
 
What project are you talking about
I only see tweets there
 
also I'm getting likes on facebook for saying that just that as we speak
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@R.MartinhoFernandes It's about Bartek acting offended
@BartekBanachewicz What that now. Appeal To The Masses?
 
@BartekBanachewicz If I work on a project with someone that holds opinion that are contrary to my values, I might object to working with that person.
 
2:16 PM
> I am a pastafarian and I find you all to be out of your noodle

I am also offended, and find you all to be bigots therefore please ban everyone in this thread thanks
 
I'm offended by people pretending to get offended
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First mention of "offended" in the thread, 15 hours ago.
Way to reading comprehension.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Whoa whoa - don't look into mirrors too often
 
@BartekBanachewicz How do you know they are "pretending"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
2:17 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Well they are if I get offended. Simple enough, duh.
 
...
 
You unempathetic dickface.
 
I love you too
 
BREAKING: Center of the universe has been pinpointed
 
Actually the event is p funny because the project lead actually has some brains and told them to fuck off and that elia stays
 
2:17 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I only would do if they made a habit of throwing it in my face.
 
so we got a positive ending out of it
 
Oh wait. Got it wrong.
> Likening transphobia to a penchant for candy is offensive and belies a deeper ignorance. I guess this extends beyond @elia.
 
Oh good, the thing is over.
 
It's this the first one.
21 hours ago.
 
I'm gonna repurpose an old reply of mine.
Jun 2 at 15:03, by Etienne de Martel
@buttifulbuttefly There are not enough hands in the world to give you the amount of slaps you deserve.
 
2:19 PM
Being on the internet is like what it must be like to be in a hurricane shelter, during a storm. Shit is going down, but you have no idea wtf it actually is all about.
 
14 billion is a lot of slapping
 
@BartekBanachewicz He didn't tell anyone to fuck off.
Ugh, why am I bothering reading things for you.
 
@MartinJames auto-cars won
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well sadly he didn't use that exact wording
I would.
 
4 hours ago, by sehe
Kneejerks http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2015/06/kneejerks.html In a nutshell. Related to community moderation
very well
 
2:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz He didn't because he didn't mean it.
@BartekBanachewicz That explains why that's what you read.
 
> you will be shown the metaphorical door.
I agree this is more classy than a mere "fuck off"
 
unlike your mother in bed
 
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APPLAUSE
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@BartekBanachewicz Adam Beynon is the creator of Opal, not "meh".
 
2:21 PM
lets be real here
 
> No contributors code is more important than the community at large.
-- Adam Beynon
 
@Prismatic I can't imagine
 
something that converts ruby to JS should be shut down anyway
 
o_0 seriously... what is going in that there internet land?
 
or was it the other way around
 
2:22 PM
@thecoshman be bop-pop, da gangelange zippity doo bop-de-bop!
 
either way its all blasphemy and I find the very idea of a ruby <---> js transpiler extremely offensive
 
@Prismatic something that somethings ruby or somethings js should be shut down anyway
 
> transpiler
> comgender
 
@Prismatic s/something that converts//, s/to JS//
 
@sehe ah, right so
 
2:23 PM
@thecoshman no problem, I do translation jobs in the evenings
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes right, starting a shitstorm over something what a dev said on twitter is totally beneficial
 
@sehe can you add "be bop-pop, da gangelange zippity doo bop-de-bop!" to your work load please. Fax me the results
 
I wonder if she went to every project he contributes to
 
@BartekBanachewicz so, how would you respond?
 
god, the community would benefit a hundredfold if she left it compared to elia
 
2:24 PM
Wait, what is Opal?
 
> If you want him removed, start working on Opal and contributing as much as him to everything he did for Opal so we have a replacement that's more in orientation with your morals and views.

Protip: you won't because you can't.
 
@sehe fast, obviously.
 
> Ruby to Javascript compiler
 
@EtiennedeMartel Porn star... 'extreme' one iirc
 
Aaah, that explains it.
 
2:24 PM
@sehe as who?
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
They're all tossers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz All I know is that your reaction kicked in before reading, again.
 
@BartekBanachewicz As you
 
@sehe but to whom then?
 
To anyone. In the lounge... for example
 
I don't understand the question
Respond to what?
 
> I agree we do need a code of conduct, and #942 is a productive chat on this, and I will repeat what I said in that thread: No contributors code is more important than the community at large. Project owners, maintainers and core contributors represent the ethics of a project. They are given those titles for good reason - to represent the project.
Adam Beynon, again.
 
the "community at large" is vague as hell
 
So yeah, not only he championed the idea of a code of conduct, he sided with Coraline.
 
so did elia stay on the project or not after all
 
2:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz He doesn't have to leave.
 
He just needs to shut up.
 
then he didn't side with her
except well he established that code of conduct thing
 
@thecoshman So edgy.
 
@thecoshman you cared enough to post this apparently
 
2:27 PM
@thecoshman its fun to watch people throw crap at each other
 
@thecoshman Clearly the people involved in that do.
 
> EDIT: More practical tl;dr explanation: fork Opal, make a proper code of conduct, encourage LGBT developers who fear contributing to projects ran by transphobic developers to contribute to your fork of Opal, promote it as the better version of Opal, prove to people that an inclusive and tolerant policy is inherently superior, and when they'll see results they'll see a reason to change.
 
@Puppy which apparently is everyone ever
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why? Because he didn't do what's in the title?
 
@BartekBanachewicz because you guys are screaming over some shite
 
2:28 PM
He clearly sided with the "the project members have to foster a welcoming environment" camp.
 
we're not screaming
and also it's not some shite, it's comedy gold
 
@thecoshman Well, it kinda is.
@BartekBanachewicz That was uncalled for.
 
hmpfhj
I am getting annoyed at him not reading/comprehending stuff more and more
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's also expected, he get's short when get's angry.
 
@LucDanton That's a good point, but asking people to give up control over something that doesn't belong to them seems more reasonable to me. Also, my impression is that there's most often an alternative means of transportation that does allow you to be in control, so it's indeed a choice. Removing the choice is what I think is beyond the line - morally speaking.
 
2:30 PM
@thecoshman it's not just "gets angry", it's you doing the same kind of shit over and over
 
@BartekBanachewicz Guess what, Adam wants to make Opal be that fork.
 
I believe one may also consider how easy it is to maliciously modify the software of a device you own and that is available to you 24/7 vs. one you don't own and whose "buttons room" cannot be accessed
 
I don't even mention the insults you throw out, because that happens in heated discussions. But willingful ignoring of what people say is just uh
 
@BartekBanachewicz funny how I only seem to have this problem with you
 
2:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh well. I guess it's in his power.
 
@Xeo I don’t want to click on a dubious bloggy link.
 
At least now you actually know what has been happening.
 
@Xeo "Considered Harmful" articles considered harmful
9
 
2 days ago, by buttiful buttefly
@wilx being terrible considered hamrful
 
@thecoshman I don't care who you're having this problem with. You don't read things I write. Hell, you can't read what the discussion is about and yet you complain about it. It's making it literally impossible to discuss with you because you attack made up points instead of the ones being made.
 
2:32 PM
@Griwes '"Considered Harmful" articles considered harmful' immediate reaction considered harmful.
 
@AndyProwl No perfect safety is not an argument for less safety, though.
@BartekBanachewicz Just don't engage.
 
@SamDeHaan we have to go deeper
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is what I did today. And a while back. But I still think it's worth mentioning.
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, true enough.
 
@AndyProwl IRTA "wilx being terrible"
Completely agreed, though /cc @Xeo
 
I did mistakenly think that meh has more impact.
 
2:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's also about giving people the choice of being responsible for their own safety
 
If the actual project lead requires the people to be more tolerant, it's his choice.
 
@AndyProwl It's not just about their own, though.
 
I think GitFlow sucks too, but I'm not whoring blog views with beaten-to-death title memes
 
@SamDeHaan I need more quotes marks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes True, but it's also about their own
 
2:34 PM
I still don't find the way that point was demanded OK FWIW
 
@AndyProwl It is, however, only about their own freedom.
 
@thecoshman Escape a backtick?
 
@SamDeHaan I'm not going to escape anything
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv
 
2:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The title was inflammatory. The body of the post was actually quite moderate.
 
Ell
At the minute, when you drive on the road you accept that you are driving amongst other drivers
 
@thecoshman There is no escape
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's been inappropriate enough IMHO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Err... anti-clickbait?
 
@Ell please don't bring this up again
 
Ell
2:35 PM
people know that driving is dangerous before they do it - and not just due to the possibility of their own human error
I thought it was alreayd being brought up
but I'll stop :P
 
@AndyProwl So you’re on board as long as human-driven bicycles are on the menu then :D
 
@thecoshman hey don't forget about me :(
 
@Ell no its something else they're discussing
 
@BartekBanachewicz You'll notice that only the title demands such radical action. Nowhere else in the thread does she hammer that.
 
@sehe hey, welcome to the lounge. I suggest you read the rules, so you fit in nice and neat.
 
2:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes This isn't something that should be posted as a project issue. Ideally she should email the project lead and elia privately and solve the matter there
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but I don't interpret that exclusively as "freedom of going as fast as you wish" or "freedom of not caring about other people". I read that as "freedom of deciding what's the safest action to take for yourself in a given situation rather than trusting a program".
 
so that he could respond without the witch hunt already going in dozens of posts
 
@LucDanton :D I'd like something more powerful than that, but if nothing else...
 
I really should look for a new job. I didn't even make two days without feeling bummed out.
 
@AndyProwl Yes, but it's also the freedom to endanger others more than necessary.
 
2:39 PM
Validation is terrible
 
Are people still talking about autonomous cars?
 
@AndyProwl (And since you considered it a moral issue, I find this a very important point)
 
oh wow, yes they are
XD
 
Say I have two or more procedures where I have to validate few arguments. Should I have a is_valid_X function and throw errors in the procedures? Should I have a validate_X function that normalizes the input (Like capitalizing letters in names or titles) and also throws if the input is not valid?
 
@buttifulbuttefly It’s an autonomous dicussion. Nobody’s in control.
 
2:41 PM
@thecoshman :/
@buttifulbuttefly autonomous people
@LucDanton oh I see I wasn't very original
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but how would a program decide to behave in a risky situation? Would it prefer letting your car crash and let you die because it is potentially safer than desperately swerving to avoid a sudden obstacle and risking to kill two (or any N>1) people driving next to you or in the opposite direction? I think forcing people to give up control on whether they're going to survive or not isn't morally correct.
 
@sehe vOv you have an avatar, so you get to pull rank. Anything Luc says you can just claim ownership of.
 
@AndyProwl The discussion arose from the assumption that autonomous cars had been shown safer than human drivers.
 
@AndyProwl If by that you mean "We're completely dependent on the other people and machines in our society to survive and have basically no ability to survive independently", then I agree.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless they're shown to be perfectly safe, then "safer" isn't enough IMO
 
2:44 PM
@AndyProwl Why not?
 
nothing is perfectly safe
 
12 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@AndyProwl No perfect safety is not an argument for less safety, though.
You tacitly agreed with this.
 
How do you stop murderers hacking into auto cars and take control of the vehicles, using them to kill people then erase the memory card?
 
Even the Lounge isn't safe
 
@AndyProwl the idea is the by giving over control we have less of this incidents in the first place. So one 'big' incident would still be overall safer than lots of small incidents.
 
2:45 PM
@AndyProwl The other distinction is that the autocar probably has an accurate idea of what's actually going to happen and enough time to actually make a decision, whereas the human probably will crash and kill all of the participants before actually figuring out what's going on
 
@AndyProwl so... you want either fastest internet possible, or no improvement at all...?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because your survival is at stake, and you can't force someone to give up control over their life because "mostly it is safer". Also, how do you define "safer", especially w.r.t. the example I gave above?
 
@Puppy I wonder why you assume people are so reckless in cars
 
@AndyProwl I don't have to. It's the assumption underpinning the discussion.
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's no assumption about it - look up the death rate from car accidents.
 
2:46 PM
I'll be back tomorrow then
 
@AndyProwl There's no reason to ban anything without that assumption, so the question is moot without it.
 
@AndyProwl but people do give up that control all the time, planes, taxis, walking down the street
 
@Puppy death rate as a ratio of what? There's a lot of people driving.
 
that's... exactly why we need to reduce the rate as low as possible.
 
But What if I dont want it to be human readable .. Cause I wouldn't like if others just read it and make some thinglike that and take the credit — Blain Quillin 1 min ago
 
2:47 PM
@Puppy I can bring it to 0 easily
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The assumption is that they are safer, but if you don't define what "safer" means, then the assumption is quite immaterial
 
why don't we do my idea
 
says here that 180,000 people were injured on the roads in the UK last year.
 
incredible
 
2:47 PM
most of them minor to be fair
 
@BartekBanachewicz because, as you clearly fail to grasp, people make mistakes.
 
@Puppy yeah well I have a perfect way to reduce traffic accidents to 0
 
21,000 serious injuries and 1,700 deaths
 
@AndyProwl It's less risky. I don't see what kind of definition of "safer" would change anything.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it "Ban humans from driving and use much safer autonomous transportation only"?
 
2:48 PM
@thecoshman It's not the vehicle they own though, and they can use their own vehicle if they don't want to give up control - there's a choice
 
@Puppy No, we don't have autonomous transportation yet.
It's "ban all road traffic"
 
@AndyProwl So you think it's morally fine to willingly choose to increase risk for others?
 
@AndyProwl Are they also going to make their own food, build their own house, and power the computer they made from their own beach sand, prepare their own medicines, etc?
 
this discussion is so boring
someone post pictures of cool cars
 
@BartekBanachewicz And replace it with?
 
2:49 PM
@Prismatic Get a life.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That again renders the entire discussion moot :(
 
@Prismatic bartek never fails
this is a cutie for today
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm just playing around, no need to overload your circuits
 
newest shiny Aston Martin for GT racing
 
2:50 PM
@Puppy Slippery slope?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would the program decide that "saving N+1 lives in a car crash is better than saving N lives"? Because if we are taking this as the definition of "safer", then we're basically preventing people from trying to save their lives even when they're not responsible for the accident. That's not morally correct
 
@Jefffrey nothing, duh.
 
That looks incredible. Aston Martins are definitely some of the sexiest cars out there
 
I thought you wanted 0 accidents
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, just a general point that nobody is in control of their own survival.
 
2:50 PM
nobody said anything about sacrifices made
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Buying a bigger car is also increasing risk for others. Does it make sense to also force everyone to have equally-sized cars?
 
there's no difference between dying in a car crash and dying because your medicine was contaminated, the government wouldn't fund your treatment, they wouldn't fund the research to find a treatment, they didn't protect the environment from lethal toxins, etc.
 
To be fair, from a technical point of view, we are still quite some way away. Look at things like London tube, still almost entirely manual controlled. You'd think something like that would be fairly easy to automate. Sure people might still jump in front of trains, but I'd say a computer could watch a lot more of the platform for potential jumpers and react faster than a meat bag, yet still meat bags in control.
 
just as "less accidents" seems to be a reason enough to do all kinds of shit and banning to get automatic cars through, my proposal bans all traffic
 
FTR I'm not saying I wouldn't choose to put my own life in the hands of a program. I'm just claiming people should be allowed to choose not to.
 
2:52 PM
@Xeo I don't think that actually points out anything harmful. But that might be me being biased about how terrible linear history actually is.
 
if you suddenly realize "maybe I want traffic despite accidents", then stop there and think "maybe some people want to drive manually"
 
@thecoshman yea but automating the tube is an expensive affair, and I think that is part of the barrier to getting it place
 
@AndyProwl And remove your own choice to not put your life in their hands, though?
 
@AndyProwl
 
> I'm officially calling on Bartek Banachewicz to not back out from officially calling on @CoralineAda to retract and apologise for officially calling on @elia and @opalrb for nonsensical reasons for sensical reasons.
 
2:52 PM
@Griwes Yeah, how come all the historical stuff is in chronological order? That’s so boring!
 
@LucDanton When people are doing things in parallel, they are not doing it linearly.
 
@AndyProwl Would "fine don't use a car" qualify as choosing not to? (In your view)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry I don't understand this last sentence
 
@BartekBanachewicz One of them is a rational choice weighing two well-defined problems; the other is "waaaaaaaaaaah"
 
2:53 PM
@Griwes That or time travel!
 
@AndyProwl Sorry, typo.
 
@TonyTheLion sure, but it's an investment. Once done, almost free. And we can start to save money on those drivers, and platform staff etc. etc.
 
@thecoshman tell that to tfl and the government
 
@Prismatic They show really nice performance in GT3 too.
Altough I obviously bet on Audi
 
@TonyTheLion vOv unions probably spoil it though.
 
2:53 PM
@LucDanton Also, as it was pointed out in comments - when looking at the general history (so log of develop or whatever) I don't care about specific commits to a feature - I care about points where a feature was merged.
 
@thecoshman yea and that as well
 
@Puppy that's just your opinion.
 
tube gives people jobs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's still too complex for me to understand. I'm saying everyone should have a choice. If they think a program's going to do a better job than themselves, then they should be allowed to trust it - otherwise they should be allowed to override it.
 
@AndyProwl I'd expect the level of decision of the programs to be at the level of "doing this maneuver will reduce risk of harm to the passengers more than that other one". It can't be about lives saved, because you can't guarantee that to start with.
 
2:54 PM
if machines take over, people don't have jobs
 
I'm not saying automated trains is a trivial thing, but it's surely the first step
 
The real solution is to make pills to make people smarter on the road.
 
Most of what I can really see in that post is someone who didn't fully complete his switch from SVN to git.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You could always try to present an objective reason why manual driving should be permitted.
 
Ell
man the phantom touches are still there :(
 
2:54 PM
@thecoshman I actually agree with you
 
then it would be even theoretically possible in some world for it to be worth the accidents.
 
how weird?
 
@TonyTheLion That also means that we get paid a minimum amount of money.
 
@Puppy Because people should have freedom to move in any way they want as long as it doesn't endanger others.
 
And nobody works ever.
 
2:55 PM
firstly, manual driving clearly does endanger others.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What if the only maneuver that can potentially save your life is to endanger other people's life? Would you like the program to do that, or not?
 
and secondly, that is not objective, it's a principle that you happen to hold.
 
Those are positive changes.
 
@AndyProwl I think the point is more that, if you are walking down the street, would you rather the cars be driven by meatbags or computers?
 
@AndyProwl I'm saying that explicitly choosing the riskier option removes (or weakens) others people's choice of not having their life in your hands.
 
2:55 PM
aaaaargh are you still in this bullshit discussion
 
@Jefffrey can you think of what you would do after about 3 years of having no job, and what the fuck would you do with your life?
 
@Puppy right I forgot the only things that are objective are your opinions
 
stop already
 
@TonyTheLion ofc you do, we exchanged ideas in a calm rational way :D
 
jesus
 
Ell
2:55 PM
okay here is a question, why do any of you have nice things when you could instead give money to charity?
 
Live's saved also doesn't "make sense" without considering the lives in question (however ... unattractive that is).
 
@Griwes guess why it was a topic for a debate contest :S
 
@thecoshman :)
 
@thecoshman You mean "or" there right?
 
@AndyProwl I don't know. I don't know what I would choose there. I don't see it as relevant, either.
 
2:56 PM
@TonyTheLion Oh, we would have jobs. We would be programming and debugging these machines or trying to improve them.
 
meatbags "or" computers
 
Ell
ie, why if you can be "more moral" aren't you doing so?
 
It's a moral conundrum. Big whoop.
 
@AndyProwl :P
 
I think we'll soon realize our own AI is the best AI possible.
 
2:56 PM
It's been going for the better part of the day already.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is relevant. Especially the fact that it's your right to choose
 
@Jefffrey oh I see, I misunderstood you then
 
@Puppy No if you drive carefully and adhere to law and conditions.
Careful drivers aren't a danger on a road more than say a train on tracks
 
@Ell Whoever said morality had anything to do with this?
 
trains also kill people
should we ban trains?
 
2:56 PM
So there will be no "super AI that kills all humans" type of thing. More like "Some AI that closely resembles humans, but not quite".
 
@AndyProwl When you entered the car you made your choice to take the less risky option.
 
heck buses kill people as well.
 
@BartekBanachewicz True; except that you'd effectively have to guarantee that for every manual driver for the rest of time.
 
@BartekBanachewicz We should ban everything.
 
What's very interesting about AI like this, is it absolutely causes us to cut through views like moral relativism. At some point we have to weigh in.
 
2:57 PM
Clearly we should ban oxygen
 
@BartekBanachewicz people kill people too, should we ban people?
 
which is going to happen about as much as a bunch of C programmers always remembering to free the memory in the exact correct way.
 
@Puppy ever heard a phrase "innocent unless proven guilty"?
 
since oxygen is what makes us burn (out).
 
@BartekBanachewicz Non-automated ones? Yes.
 
2:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Slippery slope?
 
you seem to stand on the opposite side.
 
@Griwes Obviously. How could we overlook this? :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Non-automated ones can be banned as well.
@BartekBanachewicz Does not apply here.
 
@TonyTheLion 100% of people drinking water dies.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I don't think that's correct. If you're in a situation you didn't cause yourself - whether it's driving or not - and there's only one thing you can do to save your life, you must be given the right to do it.
 
2:58 PM
Let's ban water.
 
@AndyProwl yes, but by agreeing that you give up that choice (ie are willing to accept that if shit hits fan, you'll die instead a crowd) you get the 'comfort' that everyone else is making that choice.
 
@Puppy oh but it does. In order to drive you need to prove you're able to drive and know the law first.
 
@Puppy insurance?
 
Okay.
 
which is clearly not sufficient given the thousands of people who die on the roads on even a small country like the UK each year.
 
2:58 PM
Every person is expected to abide to the law.
 
@thecoshman I understand, and I don't think society should enforce such a contract on whomever wants to drive a vehicle
 
@AndyProwl How do you deal with it as a passenger?
 
Guys.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When someone else is driving you mean?
 
2:58 PM
Yes.
 
@TonyTheLion I did not realize that you could resurrect the dead with an insurance payout.
 
Ell
@Puppy Do you think people that get in accidents were driving according to the highway code?
 
Hey. Guys.
 
@Puppy By this logic, I could assume you're going to steal from me and punch you in the face right then and there, because you might want to break the law.
 
Let's finish this already.
 
2:58 PM
@Ell It doesn't matter in the slightest.
 
@AndyProwl but it's not just the drivers, it's people who want walk along roads too.
 
@Puppy You can't, but it g;lkjdsgl;kjdsfljfd;ksslkjf;fsj;lkjlk;fds
 
Ell
@Griwes I agree
it's boring
let's move on
 
I can't argue with that
 
Ell
how about those cronuts? anyone here had one before?
 
2:59 PM
@Ell You can go do something that isn't boring.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you could trivially maintain all of the benefits of not punching me in the face and then additionally ensure I could not steal from you, then that would be a recommended course of action.
 
@AndyProwl The self driving car should always choose the best for the clients in the car.
No matter what.
 
of course you can't maintain all the benefits of not punching me in the face, so
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We would like to, but you are occupying the room.
GET A ROOM GUYS
 
Ell
I guess I'll just move to the java room vOv
 
2:59 PM
@Puppy modern science can work wonders
 

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