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11:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus Because gedit doesn't seem to save properly making it impossible to do commit messages and stuff.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Area 51! Community voting!
 
Maybe there's a configuration I'm missing somewhere, but emacs works well enough for me.
 
@LucDanton --plain should be the default, -o should be redundant with the redirection. But maybe you didn't have the redirection?
 
@Mysticial Then gedit is horribly broken because it doesn't need to save in any other fashion than just saving the file that was opened
 
@StackedCrooked gvim FTW
 
11:00 PM
@sehe Right, no redirection. Dunno what it defaults to :(
 
Notepad works fine so there you go
 
@LucDanton stdout
 
The formatting I mean :Þ
 
How can you fail at something that Notepad doesn't?
 
Also lol gedit
 
11:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus The problem is when I do a git commit, it opens up the editor. vi and emacs will block the command until I close the editor. Gedit returns immediately leaving the command in an indeterminate state.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well other editors might fail at producing fodder for conspiracy theorists
@Mysticial lol broken
 
@Mysticial gedit -w
 
Notable features of gedit: Clipboard support (cut/copy/paste)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's it?
 
If you're using Emacs then forget about gedit and just go all-in
Beh 1AM again
Happens every day for some reason!
 
11:05 PM
I think it’s rotation.
 
I'm waiting for proposals for forum and tracker replacements!
 
I've read about several developers who use emacs/teco/vi. Goto Amazon/fiction/time-travel/
 
teco
Reminds me that people working on MUDs still use ed for online editing
crazy
 
@LucDanton that bloody moon again
 
@CatPlusPlus I didn't mention ed 'cos the craziness, as you say.
Today's clueless question:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26267735/are-a-variables-real-things
 
11:12 PM
@MartinJames lol
 
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2 days ago, by sehe
Fits right in. Somehow I think this is what happens. People who don't /really/ see what's going on, and never learned to label the small building blocks, they are desperate to tell stories. It leads to cargo-culting in the most elementary form (I can't talk about anything without making it "touchable", i.e. about objects)
 
@MartinJames Belongs on Philosophy.
lol
 
Variables are little midgets that live in the computer.
 
He wants to be a variable whisperer
 
11:22 PM
@Mysticial Yeah - was gonna post that, but pizza-cooking got in the way:)
 
@MartinJames You can still do it:
> This question appears to be off-topic because it is about Philosophy.
 
Robot got sucked in by the troll:)
 
Now with 15% more philosophy.
@Mysticial Not in its entirety.
 
11:35 PM
Nietzsche said 'God is dead'. God said 'No, I was dynamically constructed with operator new'.
 
@MartinJames More like "No, I enabled shared_from_this and my alter egos mutually hold shared pointers"
 
user1646075
@Mysticial God is a variable on an abstract machine
 
wait
was that talk you guys were making fun of by a guy named Mike Acton? o.o
 
Data Oriented Design?
 
Oh it was.
Yeah.
 
11:42 PM
@sehe Satan did not die because God incremented his reference count.
 
You'd do better to check. My memory for names is abysmal
 
Ell
I haven't seen his talk
But data driven sounds bad
 
@MartinJames Nah. Satan fooled God. He asked for a weak_ptr, and God said "Fine, no problem. You'll die nonetheless". Then, Satan spawned a background thread called Hell and forever holds a lock on that weak_ptr from there
 
user1646075
ITT C++ nerds
 
11:45 PM
@sehe lol
 
@Ell Actually, not at all. Just, some of the things he says have (very) limited applicability, yet he glosses over that by consistently labelling "other paradigms" as Bad(TM), Dumb(TM), WasteOfTime(TM)
 
He seems very smug.
 
@Rapptz I don't remember that. I remember making fun of youtube.com/…
But maybe I missed it.
 
Oh I meant pre-Robot rambling.
 
@sehe Is he a game programmer?
 
11:46 PM
Yes.
 
How did I know.
 
this prompted me to look him up
 
@Rapptz In that DataDriven talk, he almost answered a question with "Well,... my preference... is" (cut-off) and the context of the question strongly had me anticipating "C over C++" there
 
oh shit
I was in /r/gamedev
that explains everything.
 
Mike Acton has written very good articles on restrict and strict aliasing. Practically everything I know about it (related to C++) I know from him.
 
11:48 PM
I thought I was in /r/cpp
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno. Didn't think so. More like one exposed to big volumes, more-or-less straight-forward data crunching applications.
 
@sehe I would agree.
(He is though.)
 
Yeah he's a gamedev.
 
@LucDanton I think he knows his game. He was, however, glossing over the fact that large parts of C++ community might have very different constraints
 
He writes game engines I think.
 
Ell
11:49 PM
What made kyrostat fail?
I think we need a proper post mortem
 
What would have had to happen to make it not fail?
Because, that didn't happen. And there's your answer.
 
@sehe A temperature rise.
 
@sehe Aside from a few articles (which served me well) I haven’t really followed him, as his interests and mine don’t cross often. Largely in part because of what you said, yes.
 
Ell
Was it literally just nobody wanted to put the work in?
I want to discuss openid connect auth for lounge chat with somebody
 
@LucDanton I liked his talk mostly, except for the smugness and dismissiveness. But, like with any other Linus (oops) I can look past it. I'm used to very dedicated experts getting lost in their own bubble
 
Ell
11:52 PM
But my ideas are probably wrong
 
@Ell No. It was literally because no one took responsibility to see it through
 
I can't look past it
 
Ell
Hmm
 
Smugness just completely turns me off from the talk/speaker.
So I don't focus on it any more.
It's just one of those traits that ruin the entire thing for me.
 
@Rapptz Oh, I'll be happy to critique his style and claims; some of them are just preposterous at face value, but I can also see where he's coming from.
In a multi-paradigm language like C++, you'd expect a counterpoint of competing value-systems like this. I'm not at all surprised by it
 
11:54 PM
@Rapptz Fortunately I never suffer from that like all those puny speakers you've seen in the past, so come see me, and your life will be perfect!
 
^ trigger warning
I actually LIKE to have my value system challenged by some bobo smug enough to pretend that the world revolves around [XXX] - just so I can evaluate how much my particular brand of application domains influences my biases
 
smogness turns me off
 
Damn. I thought that was a smug as I could manage in two lines of text, and still no reaction at all. I guess I'd better give up on that conceited jerk idea now (oh wait--too late).
 
but I have asthma
 
4 mins ago, by sehe
^ trigger warning
 
11:59 PM
@sehe Bobo?
 
Somehow it /works/ if someone takes that role of "obvious guru", and can just proclaim things as self-evident truths. Somehow, it makes more of an impact than trying to very principally evaluate your own value system in your own accord.
@LucDanton Prolly Dutchism. A bobo... roughly "Big Guy", "High Profile Person"
 

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