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4:00 PM
I read that as IsHivPositive=false for a second.
 
> The effective value of this property is influenced by the relative positions of hit testable elements in the logical tree. For instance, if an element is a child element of an element that is not hit test visible, the effective value of the property on the child will remain false, even if attempting to set that value locally. For this reason, it is important that you do not set IsHitTestVisible to false on a composited control unless you do not want any input or hit testing on that control.
this make me think it doesn't work, but I guess I'll give it a try
I have a panel that contains a webview, and I want to just make that panel eat up touches so that they don't get to whatever is behind it, it should be simple
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus So it looks like the deprecated -mno-cygwin flag has been removed from the latest iterations of MinGW. So that's not going to stop the cygwin dependency.
 
nope, IsHitTestVisible doesn't do shit
fuck this, I'll try again some other time
 
@ThePhD You can probably just use MinGW instead of Cygwin GCC
istr that was the reason they got rid of -mno-cygwin
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I combed through some of the makefiles: they're hardcoding the absolute path using linux syntax to cygwin's ld and gcc.
 
user3010322
4:05 PM
Which is just... I don't even know.
 
user3010322
Not even Harfbuzz compiled like this.
 
If this is autotools then Makefiles are all generated
Hey SourceTree stop promoting broken settings tia
 
user3010322
Okay, so the ld.exe path is hardcoded, but the gcc one isn't?
 
user1804599
SourceTree is broken.
 
user3010322
Fuck this makefiles shit.
 
user3010322
4:08 PM
They probably hard-resolved cygwin crap into the autotools
 
user3010322
I don't even know where to begin messing with autotool crap.
 
Use MinGW triplet instead of a Cygwin one
 
user3010322
Where at, though?
 
Command-line to configure duh
 
user3010322
Do I sed the makefiles and then just never regen?
 
4:10 PM
No that's dumb
 
user3010322
<_>
 
user1804599
@Mgetz I'm a trap, but I'm not Boolean.
 
@CatPlusPlus Enable immediate deletion of posts on Nomic, please.
> (post withdrawn by author, will be automatically deleted in 24 hours unless flagged)
 
There's no such thing
 
why
 
4:11 PM
How the fuck should I know
Because thanks jeff
 
Ask double-effed Jef.
 
user1804599
Delete from database oh wait Rails hahaha.
 
Ell
Okay this book is confusing me...
 
Oh wow that one actually exists
 
Ell
> A large resistor in series (parallel) with a small resistor has the resistance of the larger (smaller) one
 
4:12 PM
MY BAD
Try now
 
user3010322
Just reading through this autotools doc makes my head hurt
 
user3010322
Someone wrote this
 
user3010322
Someone actually wrote this
 
user3010322
and liked it
 
user1804599
It probably was a robot.
 
4:13 PM
@Ell What's wrong?
 
> (post withdrawn by author, will be automatically deleted in 0 hours unless flagged)
 
@Ell Means that if the two have significantly different resistance, when in series the large one wins (the small one has negligible effect), and when in parallel the small one wins (the large one has negligible effect)
 
@Ell The parenthesised words go together to form an alternative sentence.
 
@Sofffia lol
 
user1804599
Hmm. I could just implement a transformation from let x = y; z to (x => z) y. :v
 
4:13 PM
@Sofffia Impressive.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
To be fair I'd have used a coitus solidus
 
How could they fuck up something as simple as immediate removal.
 
Ell
I've never seen that before
 
> A large resistor in series/parallel with a small resistor has the resistance of the larger/smaller one
Still not awesome but far more conventional
 
Did you actually edit that? Or is it stupid again?
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah I would have got that I think
 
@rightfold ? You can still delete from the database I think.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That message is an autoedit
 
4:15 PM
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I swear to god I haven't
 
lololololol
So awesome.
 
The Puppy never says "no". The Puppy says "fuck off and build your own coffin, fag" and such like.
 
thanks jeff
 
@Sofffia Just ffucking realised who you are
 
user3010322
4:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus How would you pass a build triplet to the command line fo configure?
 
user1804599
@Sofffia Rails doesn't create constraints and triggers in the database, at least not by default. So deleting stuff directly likely breaks the software. Maybe they create constraints and triggers in Discourse, though.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh
 
user3010322
All tehse examples are terribly inspecific about how I'm supposed to do it.
 
@ThePhD --host=i686-pc-mingw32 or however it's called
I don't remember
 
@rightfold lololololol
 
4:17 PM
@rightfold Probably not
 
user3010322
Is it just host=x86_64-unknown-mingw
 
user3010322
Argh
 
x86_64 for 64-bit yeah
 
@rightfold If X would be useful, "Discourse has X" is most likely false.
 
Or amd64? I don't remember
 
user1804599
4:18 PM
Ah, I see.
 
Haven't cross-compiled anything lately
 
@CatPlusPlus Both.
 
Why can't I link to the post history
 
depending on the accepting application, of course, but I believe that most programs accept both.
 
user3010322
 i686-w64-mingw32
 
4:18 PM
 
user3010322
I could've definitely figured that out with my normal brain for sure.
 
@Sofffia Did it actually delete?
 
What the fuck is 0 hours
 
user1804599
4:19 PM
  case ast.Let(pattern, value, body) =>
    compileExpression(ast.Call(ast.Function(pattern, body), value))
 
user1804599
Hey that's easy.
 
Maybe it's set to some small amount of minutes.
But no, the post haven't been deleted yet.
 
See, this is why I don't get this fanboyism:
@martinfernandes Obviously. Yet I think Discourse is the best discussion group engine so far. What exactly do you think is wrong with Jeff?
 
Almost everything about it is crap.
 
4:20 PM
tbh I think PHP is easier to run after all
 
We should probably create some kind of an history of all the bugs we have found.
 
At least phpBB doesn't require a carefully assembled Docker image to be able to run
 
user1804599
The best discussion group engine is a bike shed.
 
You know, to redirect fanboys to.
 
At least Apple shit can sort of still work.
 
4:21 PM
btw, does anyone here follow some PC hardware site that does reviews and news and stuff?
 
This is just broken everywhere you look.
 
@Sofffia You can't reason with idiots
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes as opposed to...?
 
They'll just deflect it with "hurp durp then just don't use it"
 
I'm looking for something like that
 
user1804599
4:21 PM
@AlexM. I occasionally read Tweakers.
 
Or "patches welcome"
 
@Loopunroller Gee, it's probably on your screen.
 
user3010322
Oh... I need freetype2 to be built with MinGW as well.
 
I went to PC Magazine since I remembered them being a magazine about hardware but all I see on their site now is iPhones and smartwatches
 
user3010322
WELL WHY DON'T I JUST BUILD MY ENTIRE THING ON MINGW.
 
user3010322
4:22 PM
Jesus fuck.
 
PHPBB would have worked better.
 
@rightfold well damn they don't have an english version
 
user3010322
What ever happened to "here's the source, put the files in these places, build the shit"?
 
user1804599
Their pricewatch is very nice.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. Learn Dutch!
 
Ell
4:23 PM
@thephd how are you going to use mingw64 libs with msvc?
 
@ThePhD lol that never worked for C++ projects
@Ell C doesn't care
 
user3010322
C has a standardized ABI.
 
Compile to a shared library, generate import library for MSVC
 
@ThePhD The good ol' ./configure + make + make install
 
C has a simple enough ABI that it's hard to fuck up compatibility
Otherwise it's as standardised as C++'s
 
user3010322
4:25 PM
I've been spoiled by C++11 era libraries and boost, apparently.
 
Also trying to bypass the project's build system is never a supported thing to do
Don't vendor libraries
 
user3010322
Whatever...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes armour is for the weak!
 
user3010322
I don't need fallback fonts anyways.
 
user3010322
English or die.
 
4:27 PM
@ThePhD You are beginning to reason like Jeff.
 
user3010322
Jeff has a blank slate with which he could do anything with, millions of dollars, and a legion of developers. And he screwed it up.
 
Also Twitter threads are shit
 
Why isn't discourse using github's issues?
as a bug trackerjhweugfyw or whatever is spelled.
 
Because forum is a better issue tracker than an issue tracker DUH
 
user3010322
DOGFOOD ONNOMNOMNOMNOMN
 
4:31 PM
Don't you know anything
 
Oh, they use their forum...
I see.
 
I might consider forking Discourse and fixing it but
Rails
So fuck it
 
What's the option called?
The one for the immediate deletion
 
Option for what
 
The zero-hour thing?
 
4:33 PM
yeah
 
'delete removed posts after'
 
and you set it to 0?
 
Hey, try -1.
 
Okay
Try :v
 
4:33 PM
Hilarity about to ensue.
 
> (post withdrawn by author, will be automatically deleted in -1 hours unless flagged)
ahahahah
 
thanks jeff
 
Amazing.
facepalm
How the fuck do you have the guts to label this 1.0.
This isn't even 1.0beta quality.
 
it's early access
kickstarted without kickstarter
 
Someone kickstart jeff
 
4:36 PM
fuck off with your 'early access', that's beta.
 
It's gone!
 
@thecoshman did you see that news bit about Tim Schafer?
 
It's 1.1.0.beta2 but that's what they install by default
 
@AlexM. no...
 
So fuck em it should be operational
 
4:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus ... so beta?
 
guy kickstarted his game, found out he can't finish it, made this awesome discount for early access so everyone bought it, then a short time after announced he'll drop features because the game can't be finished with the current budget and will release the "final" version now
 
It's still not post-1.0 quality software
 
Hey, it got deleted
 
@thecoshman Of 1.1.
 
It's broken as designed
 
4:37 PM
It's still far from 1.0beta quality.
 
And they charge money for this shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes alpha
 
On what is presumably the same version as the one installed by default
OSS money grab
snack overflow
 
fuck this noise
 
4:38 PM
I don't know what's going on. The old post is gone, but if I try to delete it it still says the -1 thingy.
 
We stared into the void and now it's staring back
It's not deleted btw
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit eat all the mini snacks
 
@CatPlusPlus I've created a new one to test this out again.
 
Oh you made a new one
 
What I don't get is the fanboys.
 
4:40 PM
 
How can you use this and not notice it's full of crap.
 
There's no explanation what the icon means
 
@CatPlusPlus That was me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's sooo dreamy
 
12/10 great UI
 
user1804599
4:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 segfault
 
Also another idiotic thing: edits by moderators are made by impersonation
So they show up as the user
 
@CatPlusPlus it's no longer protected vOv
 
@CatPlusPlus wat
After 3 minutes the post is still there
 
@thecoshman Nah, the shield means it's a post in "staff voice".
 
The 4th minute it got deleted.
 
4:42 PM
lol, if I want to manually delete it, I need to cancel your -1 deletion first.
 
Also actual deletion doesn't show up in the edit log, but as additional thing below the reply button
Robot deleted it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ergh...
 
@Sofffia Nah, that was me manually.
 
Oh you deleted it.
 
The previous one was deleted by system 6 minutes ago
 
4:42 PM
seriously, someone send me some motivation and I'll get that forum made
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you do the same with the old one?
 
No.
That one was deleted by the system user.
Btw, can you not test this on a proposal post?
 
Do testing in Meta or something
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ if only there was a test thread
 
Yeah, sorry. I got carried away.
 
4:44 PM
> We’ve been working on Discourse in public for about a year and a half now – since February 2013. Turns out that’s about how long it takes to herd an open source project from “hey, cool toy” to something that works for most online discussion communities.
laffo
 
It was never even "hey cool toy" because of this gamification bullshit
> We believe Discourse is now ready for wide public use.
 
doesn't the gamification bullshit make it look like a toy though?
 
They're trolling us.
 
> most
 
4:45 PM
Yes but not a cool one
 
interesting definition of 'most'
 
I'm amazed anyone bought into this shit
 
It has some nice features you don't have in PhpBB or VBulletin by default.
Like markdown
SSO
Post revision history
 
@CatPlusPlus It's scary.
 
@Sofffia I consider than an unfeature
bringbackbbcode
 
4:48 PM
bbcode aint all that
 
no pls
 
user1804599
rST
 
Ell
what is emma watson doing at the UN
 
I like the idea of markdown, it just needs people to agree what means what ¬_¬
 
Explicit delimiters for tags is a feature you don't know you missed until you've spent several years fighting with inventions like Murkdown
 
Ell
4:49 PM
what is anybody doing at the UN
 
bringbackxml
 
@CatPlusPlus what's the problem?
 
The problem is that syntax is working against you
 
how
 
@CatPlusPlus mmm... maybe...
 
4:52 PM
apparently got a job invite from a Romanian recruiter for a company in the UK
 
@Sofffia Because the grammar is ambiguous as fuck
 
Ok, but I have never had any problem with it.
Can you make an example as to where it's a problem?
 
Try to make nested lists
 
Except for ticks for course.
 
Or lists where items are paragraphs
 
4:54 PM
"one of the most respected game development companies in the world" and the position is in Newcastle
well that kinda narrows it down to... Ubisoft Reflections
 
@CatPlusPlus get rekt
 
why do they even try to be ambiguous
 
Well, when you consider where markdown came from, it's not really much more than making 'conventions' of implied formatting turn into actual formatting. What with the ol Web2.0 we have these days, so we really have to settle with non decent WYSIWYG editors?
 
@CatPlusPlus why on hearth would you want that
 
anyway, nice refusal message with the mention that I'm looking forward to other opportunities in the future
as usual
 
4:56 PM
@thecoshman WYSIWYM or bust
And really yeah it should be a good editor and then the EVIL TAGS are not a problem
@Sofffia Because
 
@AlexM. Hint: when they ask about you interests and hobbies, say 'I'm a huge Sunderland supporter' - it will guarantee your job prospects.
 
@CatPlusPlus M?
 
"mean"
 
vOv
 
@MartinJames lol thanks for the tip
 
4:57 PM
Aka editing the structure and leaving all formatting out of it
 
that's a football team right?
 
WYSIWYM /ˈwɪziwɪm/ (an acronym for "what you see is what you mean") is a paradigm for editing a structured document. It is an adjunct to the better-known WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) paradigm, which displays a formatted document on screen as it will appear in only one mode of presentation. In a WYSIWYM editor, the user writes the contents in a structured way, marking the content according to its meaning, its significance in the document, leaving its final appearance up to one or more separate style sheets. For example, in a WYSIWYM document a human being manually marks text as the title...
Even if they fixed Markdown I'd still rather use something explicit
I'm tired of guessing
 
@AlexM. Yes and, being honest, don't actually say anything about football at all:)
 
yeah since I don't know anything about football
 

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