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5:00 PM
@AlexM. Newcastle and Sunderland fans hate each other:)
 
if it comes to talking about Sunderland, I'll just bail myself out by saying that I'm actually supporting Sunderland's (as a city) economical development
well, morally supporting it
@MartinJames ooooh
 
@CatPlusPlus Compare "> quote" to "[quote]quote[/quote]"
ugh
 
Yeah so?
 
> Sunderland, Tyne and Wear
 
I would never go back to that shit.
 
5:02 PM
Editing is an uncommon operation compared to reads
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, I'd like <ctrl+i>just<ctrl+i> toggle the formatting <ctrl+b>as <ctrl+i>I<ctrl+i> want it<strl+b>!
 
this actually sounds like a legit location name in fantasy literature
like, GoT-level
 
@Sofffia try nesting those bad boys
 
@Sofffia Explicit is better than implicit
 
@thecoshman quotes are not supposed to be nested
fuck nested quotes
 
5:03 PM
Also Discourse uses BBcode for quotes with metadata, because Markdown is too crappy to handle that :lol:
 
@Sofffia I can quote someone quoting someone
 
> [quote="Jefffrey, post:2, topic:72, full:true"]
Your move murkdown
 
@Sofffia not markdown
 
wat
 
5:05 PM
hey, am I not an admin no more?
 
@R.M Quote-reply doesn't preserve formatting :lol:
You were never an admin
badmin
 
I used to be able to edit posts
 
yes markdown
 
Point in case
 
> test
ooo
 
5:06 PM
So... either I'm the markdown wizard, or you two are really bad.
What is it gonna be?
 
You're a badlet
 
badleton
 
That quote with list inside is shit
 
It's beautiful.
 
Arbitrary as fuck
It's guessing where the quote ends
 
5:08 PM
wat
 
If you really can't understand why this is bad then this discussion is pointless
 
if you want you can use:
 
user1804599
That's not the point.
 
user1804599
The point is lack of strictness.
 
> 1. lol
> 2. nested
>  1. something
>  2. eat it cat
> 3. ho ho ho
if that makes you feel less arbitrary
 
5:09 PM
Ugh
Derp I'm wondering why my VM doesn't work and apparently I forgot to kill Hyper-V
 
@CatPlusPlus I understand why it's an ambiguous grammar, but in practice it's fairly nice.
 
No it's not
 
inb4 that's what php guys use to justify the existence of php
 
Try writing large things with it and maybe you'll understand?? (esp if they're going to be rendered with different implementations)
 
@CatPlusPlus Then go [i]back[/i] to this [b][i]shit[/i][/b]
 
5:11 PM
yikes
 
I will thanks!
 
actually I still have some software that uses that. I ought to Markdown it up at some point. though 20MB [compressed] of text makes updating all the existing content somewhat tricky then
 
user1804599
PHP should be renamed to DKL. Dunning–Kruger Language.
3
 
tbh that "oh god <>" is dumb as fuck too
 
Ell
meh I'm with djedefre on this one
 
5:13 PM
Oh no not a syntax that can express things the way you want without being at mercy of the implementation to parse the ambiguous as fuck idiotic grammar correctly ;___;
 
wow, chronically slow wifi today
 
I'd say I could keep ** and __ for inline elements but that tends to fuck up horribly too esp wrt escaping
But I can see why syntax that requires you to do fuckin escapes is a better one yes
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus what would be the ideal syntax?
 
I'm fine with stripped down HTML
The only two complaints about this nonsense which spawned Markdown, Textile et al is that a) tags are SO MUCH TYPING b) tags are too much overhead when read directly
 
you are terrible
 
user1804599
5:17 PM
Okay, let x = 3 in f x x x should compile now. :v
 
yes tags are so much typing
 
Ell
I wonder what xml with just </> to close a tag looks like
 
backticks are 4 spaces are awesome too
 
To which I can say that a) hahah fuck those people b) proper syntax can be rendered down to something Markdown like that doesn't have to be parsed further but is more human-readable
 
Ell
Hello <bold>World</>
looks to lopsided :P
 
5:18 PM
I don't want to type markdown or tags. I shouldn't have to. I should be able to write content just like I can with a proper text editor.
 
@Ell ambiguous
 
It's not really ambiguous
 
@thecoshman that's even worse than markdown itself somehow
 
Ell
@Sofffia why?
 
But it does require people to count tags
Which might make using it actually harder
The gist is that I never had ambiguity problems with explicit tagging, and I hit Markdown corner cases p often
 
5:19 PM
@Sofffia not at all. I want to write content, I want to apply formatting. I most certainly do not want to have to fuck around with how that shit is actually stored.
 
So Markdown is harder to use in the end
And the benefit is dubious at best
 
@CatPlusPlus WAT
@Ell i was wrong
yeah </> would be ok
 
Explicit tagging requires you to type several more characters
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOT TYPING
NOOOOOOOO
 
be honest cat, bbcode is not just simply few more characters, it's a fucking mess
 
Markdown requires you to know the exact behaviour of the implementation for the syntax that you want to use
 
5:21 PM
why not whitelist html at this point
 
BBcode is rather dumb attempt of trimming down HTML
 
NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex : 0];
std::string documentDirPath = std::string([documentsDirectory UTF8String]);
 
Still better than Markdown
 
Ell
just whatever you do don't use latex :P
 
I'm guessing this must be what they call Objective-C++
Objective-C mixed with C++
 
5:21 PM
Yes
 
user1804599
Objective-C++ is just Objective-C except C replaced with C++.
 
it's ~~more expressive~~ and ~~let me do what i want even nest lists 5 deep and have headings and paragraphs in the deepest one~~
 
@CatPlusPlus to be fair, you do need know how html will render shit to know what to write to get what you want, but it is easier to know.
 
also <strong> LOL
<strong>laffo</strong> vs **laffo**
 
Ell
Where is markdown ambiguous?
 
5:24 PM
25-% content, 75+% markup
genius
because ugh <b> is deprecated
or whatever
it's <b>ad
also good luck with tables
 
Tables are so '90s and early '00s.
 
<table><thead><tr><th>...</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td>...</td></tr></tbody>‌​</table>
yeah really
good luck
 
<div ...><div ...><div ...> (closing tags omitted for sanity)
 
user1804599
Yay, my compiler works!
 
user1804599
It compiles let a = 42 in let b = 21 in let c = 10 in a to nothing!
 
5:30 PM
Hint: std::getline reads a whole line. — Csq 44 mins ago
lol
 
bluetooth tethering to my phone. much better.
 
@Puppy when do you start?
 
will keep you informed of any further developments
 
@thecoshman Well it's parsing mostly
We can go get stricter and assume XML
 
@JohanLarsson This morning
woops I broke the PA server by sending 750 orbital fighters
 
5:34 PM
@Puppy how was it?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We're so agog.
 
fine
 
@Sofffia Try doing tables with Markdwon
Oh wait it doesn't even have syntax for tables so what the fuck are you even trying to convey
@Sofffia Who cares, forum markup doesn't have to be 1:1 HTML tag names
Also it's literally write once
 
Are you gona write any ui?
 
And should be gated behind an editor anyway
Because nobody wants to write your shitty Makrdown either
 
5:36 PM
@JohanLarsson Probably, but not right away.
 
wpf or winforms?
 
web
 
5
A: While function doesn't work like I want it to

Lightness Races in Orbit now it becomes 0. This should make the "while (X == 0)" part happen again Nope. While loops don't magically take effect at any point during execution of the program. You only enter a while loop when you've reached it from code above. Programs are executed top-to-bottom, generally. You would...

@LightnessRacesinOrbit This sort of stuff seems to be a common misconception among beginners. I recently answered a similar question:
 
@Sofffia lol that's really good argument, like all of them
 
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Q: How to create an overarching if statement? As in, "if this happens at any point in the program..."

Sammy assignment is to create an algorithm for the karel robot to use to exit a maze and stop once it reaches a beeper. I have successfully created this algorithm except for getting karel to stop when it reaches the beeper. This is only a portion of my code, but you'll see that I'm basically inserti...

 
5:37 PM
@Sofffia Also thead/tbody are optional you dolt
And the clever "plain text" syntaxes I've seen for tables are no better
 
@FredOverflow yeah
 
just noticed the "Self-Employed" thingy on linkedin is just a company entered by some guy
who decided to post his freelancing website there
 
heh
he has a lot of employees then I guess
 
"We might not have the most employees, but we sure have the best ones!"
 
330 Employees on LinkedIn
I expected... more
maybe some wrote down "Freelancer" instead
anyway, almost 21, time for me to move my ass home
I'm not very good at waking up, only arrived at work at around 13
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow When I started programming I didn't know instructions were evaluated from top to bottom.
 
user1804599
I didn't know about ! either so I wrote if (…) {} else { … } instead of if (!…) { … } lol.
 
apt-get is failing and falling back to security.debian.org god fuck these shitty mirrors
 
@rightfold I didn't know about loops in a script generator that I worked on as one of my first programs (to MOD a game)
and characters used to have ~60+ properties and stuff
 
@CatPlusPlus It was an hyperbole
 
5:48 PM
I had these 60+ variables, and set each one manually
 
It was irrelevant
 
maybe
 
Also for some reason apt-get update takes fucking forever
 
wait
 
user1804599
Hmm, my compiler fails to parse modules with leading whitespace. :v
 
5:49 PM
is this by design?
 
What is
 
yeah it is
@CatPlusPlus reply box follows you everywhere
 
Probably
Also dependencies fail to install but packages that depend on those don't????
Fuck apt-get
 
don't destroy apt-get pls
i have had enough today
 
@rightfold you suck
 
5:51 PM
I think I'll start manually deploying .debs and ignore apt-get altogether
 
user1804599
I need to do def module = space.* ~> expr.* instead of def module = expr.*.
 
Why are you not ignoring invitations
 
user3010322
:(
 
user3010322
Maybe I'm just not smart enough.
 
user3010322
5:53 PM
Maybe that's why I can't port fontconfig.
 
There's literally nothing to port
 
user3010322
I can't build it even with the right mingw triple
 
@CatPlusPlus I was hoping to have a bit of fun with this one
Maybe get a new meme out of it, who knows
 
user1804599
Tomalak de kakkerlak.
 
It's still the same "idiots are creepy" or "idiots are trying to get free helpdesk"
 
user1804599
5:55 PM
Creepers are idiots.
 
Also UPDATES FOR WIN8 NEVER END
Do you really have to install them in fucking batches Windows
 
user3010322
For fuck's sake.
 
Can't you download and queue everything at once
I have shit to do
Also ConEmu is doing shitload of I/O for some reason
 
Now I am become Lightness, the destroyer of worlds.
 
So gcc support for C++14 is 'experimental'. Does that mean "maybe buggy" or does that just mean "incomplete and subject to change"?
 
6:08 PM
Yes
 
I assume that means both :-(
thanks though
 
lol Process Hacker reports in-memory pipes activity as I/O
 
@user939259 Mostly the former now, for GCC 4.9 anyway.
 
Guess I can just hide general I/O chart and leave just disk/network
 
> I want to create a constant global char array such that: It can be used in multiple translation units.
well, actually since it's constant...
 
6:18 PM
@sehe see this youtube clip the code review remarks is at 28:30 until 30:30
 
user image
6
@rightfold but will it be DKL 6 or DKL 7?
 
Useful: Get-ScheduledTask | ? { $_.settings.waketorun -eq 'True' }
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Disabled, disabled, disabled... Ready... disabled, disabled...
looks good
the "Ready" thing is Manual Maintenance.
 
I had some of the default ones
 
think it's nearly dinner time
which means it's nearly "sneak burgers into the hotel room" time
i'm a bit nervous cos the lady at the front desk today is one of the more clued-in ones
and i can't hide the fanta
 
6:23 PM
I toggled that flag wherever I could, because fuck that behaviour
 
Ell
@TemplateRex his voice is so soft
 
suppose I could hold the fanta from the burger shop and get a bottle from the newsagent next door, instead. cheaper, too
okay, solved it
 
@Ell he's awesome though
 
Ell
@TemplateRex Yeah I think so too
 
@CatPlusPlus it's ok if I am, but am I restricted more than I used to be?
 
6:31 PM
What?
 
ie, is there a reason I don't see a 'reply' button in the proposal cat'?
 
he's asking whether you took away all his privileges
i.e. "check my privilege"
 
@thecoshman Robot did the permissions, you were probably demoted below magic player rank
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit cordon bleu with croquettes and chanterelle sauce for me.
 
@Xeo I don't believe you
 
Ell
6:33 PM
I made a mushroom risotto earlier
it was yum
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can make a photo later, if you want.
 
that website is AMAZING
but the food really is spandamtastic
@Xeo okysplz
 
> The only web site to make your mouth water...
help i went back in time
its 1999 again
 
@Xeo We had croquettes too, but with rump steak with garlic butter and some mixed herbs, sprouts, broccoli and cauliflower.
The steak was not very big for two of us and I didn't cook enough veg. Now I'm getting hungry again:(
 
6:40 PM
I can't imagine having to cook for someone else all the time
I barely manage getting around to cook for myself, and at haphazard intervals at that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's the same as cooking for one, you just put more stuff in.
 
@MartinJames but you have to do it when you don't necessarily want to
you also have more of a responsibility to do it well
 
@CatPlusPlus @R.MartinhoFernandes is this true o_0
 
Lizzy and I must have gone out to eat all the time because I only remember eating together at home like 20 times in total
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit woah... are they still a thing?
 
6:42 PM
@thecoshman damn fucking right
 
Are they still nice?
 
I make a point of getting one whenever I'm staying here (Ross, pretty much every week) because I fell in love with them growing up around Gloucester
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh - that's not a problem. If Anne and I both want a home-cooked meal at the same time, one of us cooks it. In any other case, it's snacks, ready-meals and takeout:)
 
THEY MOST CERTAINLY ARE
juicy and delicious om nom nom nom
@MartinJames and if you're not passed out drunk
 
I only knew of the one in Tewksbury, it way such epic news that we'd get to have it for dinner
 
6:43 PM
well the Tewkesbury one has gone unfortunately :(
 
I thought so
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, we both have to be reasonably unslaughtered.
 
it got taken over, and it was the same menu for a year or so but now it's totally different
@MartinJames so dinner in like once a week then
ok all this talk of Burger Star I can't wait any longer
off I go to CLAIM MY PRIZE
and the beautiful thing about it getting dark so early nowadays is that I can take it straight to the car park and hide it in my bag there, rather than having to actually lug my entire backpack with me and hide it within the restaurant
(for fear of being spotted by hotel staff)
hey it's a good thing this chat's transcript isn't publicly accessible
 
Breaking news: I am gracing the Grater London Area this fine weekend (Th->M) Ping for possible meetup. Warning, it is supposed to be the miss's birthday thing...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol - not gonna happen tonight. I'm staying in with my cans of Bombardier, Anne is on one of her male nights, (that means going to the mens B-team darts match and marking - sorta an honorary male for the night:). She gets free drinks, so...
 
6:46 PM
"Male nights" yeah don't call them that
call it ARRERS
 
Xeo
@MartinJames I find cooking for a number of people > 1 actually better.
 
@thecoshman "Bing" what
brb
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ¬_¬ I want BurgerStar so bad now
 
haha
I'll take a photo for you when I get back
 
@Xeo It can certainly help at plating-up. Anne usually decants the veg while I bash the mash.
 
Ell
6:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit feeling insecure? :P
 
@MartinJames it's hard to cook for one. Unless you are willing to eat the same thing for like four days :S
 
@thecoshman I really don't have a problem with that
 
it's not a huge problem, but it get's boring
 
@Puppy Not so long ago, you ate the same nothing for four days.
 
6:55 PM
more than four
 
Yeah, cooking for one is pretty pointless and expensive.
 
Fuck it, now I've lost all control. I'm getting a pizza out of the freezer.
 
@Loopunroller no it's not
 
Ell
@Loopunroller meh I don't think so
 
6:57 PM
(not pointless)
 
Okay, not pointless X)
But expensive it is.
 
Ell
I made a risotto earlier for like £3 and it was delicious
 
@Ell Yeah... and was it healthy?
 
Ell
Idk :P
actually it was more like £5
 
risotto is a fairly cheap meal to cook... until you start adding the tasty stuf
 
6:58 PM
What if you ate stuff like that every day for ten years? What would you say?
 
It's kinda nice to occasionally have exactly what you want. If I want a plate of sprouts with chillies and choc sprinkles, I can have it.
 
@MartinJames ewww, sprouts
 
Ell
@Loopunroller Cooking for yourself is the healthiest way to eat imho
you know exactly what is going into your food
you can have as much or as little fat/protein/carbs/etc. as you want
I guess rice is a lot of carbs
 
@Ell So you watch after that?
 
I've only eaten a sprout once, and it was saturated in lee and perins
 

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