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12:01 PM
:D
 
@FredOverflow It's "Banana chewits"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sounds delicious!
 
@FredOverflow om nom nom /cc @Bartek
 
@BartekBanachewicz I started talking to a colleague about that because I thought he sent it to me instead of you, and now we're both confused.
@TonyTheLion is that @LightnessRacesinOrbit.
 
@PolymorphicPotato no
 
12:14 PM
Ceci n'est pas Lightness Races in Orbit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz and what do you think about that Elm language?
 
Elm is terrible.
 
@Abyx I have... mixed feelings
I think it's great that it promotes FRP and it seems like a cut research language
 
Fixed measles
 
at the same time I feel that taking typeclasses away makes it really awfully limited and full haskell-to-js compilation is more promising in general
 
12:16 PM
You know what they shouldn't take away maybe custom HTML and CSS.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Beliiieve in yourself!
 
user3010322
WTB Brower Bytecode Spec.
 
user3010322
Strangely enough, didn't Java try that stuff and didn't it fail miserably in reality?
 
user3010322
Like, running in the browser.
 
user3010322
Well, actually, that was because it was Java and a separate plugin and other nonsense that made it not matter as a platform.
 
12:20 PM
Google's working on LLVM IR
 
It's pointless for anything other than saving bandwidth and compilation times.
 
I'm a retard.
I just had to code something I answered on SO at least 3 times in different contexts and I got it wrong for exactly the same reason they did :D
 
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@PolymorphicPotato Which turns out to be a big deal, because to this day I still can't properly or quickly load that Qt-in-Browser demo for the C++-to-JS demos.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Thank you, Captain Obvious!
lol Qt in browser.
 
user3010322
#undef UNICODE
#undef _UNICODE
#define MBCS
#define _MBCS
 
user3010322
12:22 PM
So this is what people do to make fontconfig's bullshit work out.
 
Rust calls enum to sum types.
 
Ell
@PolymorphicPotato how about having int support? :P
 
@ThePhD Why are you using fontconfig on Windows?
 
user3010322
I dunno.
 
12:32 PM
lol
 
user3010322
Fallback Fonting is part of Uniscribe.
 
@Ell You can add feature X to JS just like you can add it to a bytecode format you come up with. Likewise, you can omit feature X from JS just like you can omit it from a bytecode format you come up with.
 
Ell
@PolymorphicPotato yeah that's fair
 
@ThePhD Is uniscribe your project?
 
Ell
but meh it feels wrong to compile to JS
 
user3010322
12:34 PM
I was only mentioning that Uniscribe did what I wanted to be done.
 
@Ell "this code feels like it should work"
 
user3010322
However, Uniscribe is Windows-Only.
 
stop using feelings when talking about unicode tia
 
user3010322
I'm trying to get a solution that will NOT break my legs when I go to Linux.
 
Use Pango?
Or FreeType2?
 
user3010322
12:35 PM
They're not mutually exclusive.
 
@rubenvb Pango lives on top of Fontconfig.
 
user3010322
It's either "Use Pango" or "Use fontconfig and Freetype2 and Harfbuzz"
 
AFAIK.
 
@VáclavZeman but maybe it has a working builtin version on Windows?
 
user3010322
It has a MinGW compiled version.
 
user3010322
12:36 PM
Which, AFAIK, works in VC++.
 
Ell
yeah pango uses fontconfig, freetype & harfbuzz
 
You could check how stuff like muPDF does it.
Or SumatraPDF.
I know SumatraPDF builds FreeType2 as part of its build process.
 
Sumatra uses a custom muPDF.
Or used to, back when I started using it.
 
aha, we made a LoL support pick chart
 
user3010322
However, I have spent a lot of time building font rendering on top of a Freetype abstraction, so I'd like not to throw all that work away when I just want to have proper layouting (Harfbuzz, working and compiling) and proper fallback fonting (fontconfig, not working).
 
12:37 PM
I have no idea why we didn't do it before
 
user3010322
fontconfig is the axe that's grinding me right now. Freetype and Harfbuzz compiled straightaway (in VC++), even when I generated the sources on Linux.
 
> need to be wrapped with unsafe {} as a promise to the compiler that everything contained within truly is safe.
 
lol early access supporters got screwed pcgamer.com/2014/09/22/…
 
Love how that actually makes perfect sense.
 
I just realized my QuickCheck clone doesn't show the values with which a test failed, nor the seed.
Which is quite an epic fail.
 
Ell
12:40 PM
Elm looks really neat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@Ell Elm = Haskell - features + web execution + simple apls
 
You mean (web - anything useful)
 
hm?
ah a subset of web? I mostly meant execution
 
@ThePhD Well, GIMP and MikTeX both use fontconfig. Maybe just steal their magic juice?
 
Ell
It's a shame the website doesn't work though :P
 
12:44 PM
@Ell which website?
 
user3010322
@rubenvb I don't think either of them compile under VC++.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz elm-lang.org
 
Are you on shitlinux and shitfox?
@Ell #worksforme
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm on linux & firefox
 
lol
 
12:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lolno, it's really shitsite.
The site emulates <a>s with clickable <div>s.
 
Reimplementing basic browser functionality strikes again.
 
KDE also uses fontconfig and it also compiles on MSVC
 
user3010322
> fontconfig-msvc-2.4.2-3
 
no seriously everything works for me
 
Ell
12:46 PM
None of the buttons work for me
 
user3010322
That's like from 2007, dude.
 
Ell
@ThePhD has it changed much?
@BartekBanachewicz clicking the buttons doesn't do anything for me
text links are okay
buttons just click and don't redirect or w/e
 
Oh wait, I see an <a> now.
 
user3010322
@Ell If the git history has anything to say, a LOT of fixes.
 
12:47 PM
Had to look past the tens of nested divs.
 
@ThePhD still, the build options may still work...
 
@BartekBanachewicz hmmm looking at Elm. Do you think I should look at Löve or at Elm for doing fun stuff with my youngeset?
 
But anyways: the latest KDE for Windows version: kde.cu.be/stable/4.10.2/win32
hmm no fontconfig anymore.
 
Ell
Okay. I need to use up loaaads of chives - any suggestions?
 
user3010322
Probably jumped ship to Uniscribe.
 
user3010322
12:51 PM
@Ell Your mouth!
 
user3010322
:3
 
@Ell Right-click > open in new tab works.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not here (Arch/Firefox)
 
@Ell thechive.com/category/girls/hot-women (what on earth is a chive?)
 
lol
 
12:53 PM
@sehe That's... a very hard question. Depends on how proficient you feel at Haskell, I suppose. Also how much pure FP you'd like to show them. If they are ever to write code at school, it will be imperative+OOP with a bit of FP, in which case solid understanding of Lua prototypal mechanisms and utilizing FP concepts in OOP will be more useful.
 
Ok. Makes sense
 
Ell
there we go
 
is that onion
 
chive
 
Ell
they are chives
I presume they are cousins to spring onions though
or maybe they are a grass. I'm not sure
> Chives is the common name of Allium schoenoprasum, the smallest species of the edible onion genus.
 
12:55 PM
chavs
oh bieslook dat is lekker
 
biscuits are good
I like biscuits
especially if they have raisins inside
 
Biscuits with tzatziki and chive.
 
> Wait a minute. Those cookies aren't chocolate chip. Those...are...raisins. WHYYYYYY-HY-HYYYYY?! SHAWTY, DESTROY ALL THE FOOD DISPENSERS! WIPE THE RAISIN ABOMINATIONS OFF THE MAP! I JUST WANTED CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES! WHY DO BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE?
 
Ell
I like raisins in biscuits too
woo my art of electronics arrived
 
@Ell Tiny Tina would like a word with you too.
 
1:03 PM
I like raisins if I'm expecting raisins
 
@Ell Is that the title of a book?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never borderlands'd
 
posted on September 22, 2014 by Scott Meyers

People have been asking me when Effective Modern C++ will be done. (My wife is among them, and our dog has been giving me funny looks, too.) For my earlier books, the "when will you be done" question was easy to answer, because my deliverable was camera-ready PDF. A book was done when I sent in the final PDF. For EMC++, I've decided that it makes sense to break "done" down into four stages: D

 
but raisins are good
and by biscuits I meant ths
 
> BURN ALL THE BABIES!!!!!
- Tiny Tina
 
1:05 PM
My horse tastes just like raisins.
 
you don't have a horse
 
Sure I have.
 
and even if you had
 
He's called Jefffrey.
 
Xeo
Fammit, Flash is smarter than we though.
 
1:06 PM
I would never give it a lick
 
@Xeo Who are these 'we' that are dumber than Flash?
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Well you better fix that
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I and the other coders working on this particular project atm
 
The bird looks weird.
 
Xeo
1:07 PM
Flash is internally sharing bitmaps between instances it seems, and we were hoping that it doesn't. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
O'Reilly should make a cover with the ORLY owl
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haha, get it?
O'RLY?
okay, I'll show myself out
 
:getout:
 
Since you promptly proceeded to kill the joke, I'm retracting my star.
 
@AlexM. That would be awesome! Though, I cannot imagine what the book would be about. :)
 
1:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
 
@VáclavZeman O'RLY?
 
@Sofffia YA, RLY.
 
@AlexM. I'm pretty sure I've done that joke before, but I couldn't find it via chat search. Here, have a star!
 
Why 2 owls?
 
1:12 PM
Effective not-so-modern memes
 
Because he ordered two books.
 
I have no idea.
 
Also, not as funny as I supposed it would turn out.
I can't even smile about it.
 
I chuckled
 
@VáclavZeman "Howl to overuse memes"
 
1:12 PM
@FredOverflow I have a riddle.
Why is it called "Effective Modern C++"?
 
Modern = C++11 and C++14
 
Because nobody would buy a book called "Ineffective Ancient C++".
 
For C++17, it is going to be called "Effective Postmodern C++".
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And C++67 "Effective Postmortem C++"?
 
@PolymorphicPotato Then call it "C++ wisdom of the ancients".
 
1:13 PM
Effective Renaissant C++
 
user3010322
They need to use a Pikachu on the cover and call it "Super Effective C++"
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@FredOverflow Sounds like something Schildt would write.
 
@ThePhD lol
 
They should put Sherlock Holmes on the cover and call it "Detective C++".
 
In Haskell it would be called "Ineffective Modern Haskell" because in Haskell there are no effects.
 
1:17 PM
@FredOverflow better ask the question 'why owl' first
 
If I ever write a book about haskell I'll call it "pure-blood haskell" and put a vampire on the cover
 
What are benefits of using Haskell over C++ ? :P
 
Which version will Supermassive C++ be?
 
@ProblemSolver It doesn't inherit a lot of crap from C.
 
@ProblemSolver dunno :P lol :P
 
1:21 PM
@ProblemSolver 1) it's Haskell; 2) it's not C++.
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shit
 
@sehe I didn’t notice and now I won’t unsee it :(
 
i missed all the fun
with that Touhid guy
 
slow reaction because a thunderstorm fried my Internet
 
1:22 PM
It's kinda " Today I'm tired of C++ and wanna play with Haskell" , right?
:P
 
There are benefits in using C++?
 
@ProblemSolver no.
 
@rubenvb Why would you NOT use fontconfig on Windows is the question
 
Didn't know.
 
@Sofffia yes.
 
1:23 PM
@ProblemSolver Just don't end up like that Bartosz guy.
 
@ProblemSolver It's more expressive in some tasks, and safer in general.
@FredOverflow the other bartek :D
 
And fun!
 
I don't like the "fun" argument because rubyists also use it
also people writing in C
 
C can be fun. Also ruby can be fun.
 
Yeah, they make good jokes :P
 
1:25 PM
sure.
@R.MartinhoFernandes hihi
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok ok, Big Bro. It's about "I don't wanna get my dirty with C++ because it's not safe and I can lose my big finger trying to get working unsafe code " :P
 
Scala is the funnest.
 
Don't talk about Ruby
 
@ProblemSolver bullshit.
 
1:26 PM
Haskell code is unsafe.
 
but yeah, whatever suits you, I'm heading off to the uni
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not exactly news. Still funny, though.
 
Hey
 
It poisons the mind.
 
@oneZeus Ho
 
1:26 PM
You don't drink pure alcohol, so don't write pure functions either.
The logic is flawless and your argument is invalid.
 
Watertight Alcoholtight logic.
 
Makes sense.
 
Invalid.
 
i will smack you with an eternal spoon
 
Oh I hate creepy ruby..
 
1:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz so how's it going?
 
Berlusconi thinks Ruby is fun.
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@PolymorphicPotato Let's hang him or the true love of ruby :P
 
lol
 
Ell
I think ruby is fun
 
But please Don't dare to say bullish about Rails ..
 
1:33 PM
bullish about Rails ..
 
It's may be something about slow code execution
 
I'm hardcore like that.
 
@ProblemSolver What about JRuby?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm entertained just by the audience laughter :P
 
Rails is bullshit.
 
1:35 PM
@FredOverflow well it's may be somrthing about bullish :P
@PolymorphicPotato Try to launch first web project.. it may take a you a moment .. and you will love for that rails
 
Ell
@FredOverflow yes indeedy
 
@ProblemSolver first impression is useless.
 
Come om C++ developers/ programers whatever.. if you started to talk about web tech.. let's talk about cppcms
anyone wants to get their hands dirty with it ?
 
Web development is terrible regardless of programming language.
 
@PolymorphicPotato agreed.. but you can make a huge cash
@PolymorphicPotato I mean it's simpler to make
 
1:40 PM
One can also make huge cash by being a whore, a drug dealer or an assassin. Doesn't make it any more fun.
 
montrealdigs.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/clippy.jpg Hi there. It looks like you're having a protracted discussion about the subjective merits of various programming languages. Would you like me to fetch a bat, with which you can beat the everloving shit out of everyone who disagrees with your opinions?
 
Ell
@PolymorphicPotato assassin sounds pretty kewl
 
@OmnipotentEntity wt?
 
Just playing clippy. Poking fun at arguing opinions on the internet.
 
@ProblemSolver You mean "easier in the very short term," not "simpler".
 
1:42 PM
@Ell I imagine the fun would wear off when you first realize that the guy you just killed is, in fact, dead.
 
@LucDanton I profusely apologize for the bad JPEG artefacts
 
@PolymorphicPotato I love to use simpler everywhere :P
 
@LucDanton did what? Blew your router/modem?
I know I'm paranoid with my UPS + surge protectors
 
@ProblemSolver Congratulations. You are unable to communicate your thoughts.
 
@OmnipotentEntity Yes
 
1:46 PM
@PolymorphicPotato Yea, but who cares? lol
 
They people you talk to, maybe?
Rails is a complicated clusterfuck, FYI.
 
Fuck Rails and Ruby
And everyone involved
 
xD
 
F!k PHP +Java EE + Spring ++
C++ :P
XD
 
1:47 PM
Indeed. As well as Rails.
Ugh. I have a 15-parameter constructor.
 
@sehe Yup. Everything back to normal now that I’ve plugged the new one.
 
@PolymorphicPotato signs you're managing too much in one object
 
Xeo
@LucDanton No over-voltage protection?
 
@PolymorphicPotato too fatty constructor :P
 
@Mgetz It's a dumb struct containing acquaintance information. :v
 
1:51 PM
@PolymorphicPotato if it has a constructor it's not dumb
 
Ell
@Mgetz I'm not so sure about that
 
This is your constructor. lol
http://i.imgur.com/yihP0Jq.jpg
 
Can't create an object without a constructor. vOv
 
Ell
@ProblemSolver wtf
 
Rails suck
What did I miss
 
1:52 PM
@Ell :P
 
Entities with shitloads of attributes are suck.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Get out Rails Developers .. It's the place for c++ guys like me :D
 
@Xeo None. Thankfully all that was affected was the router and two lightbulbs (which I had no idea was possible, but makes sense for fluorescent lamps I suppose). I did take one computer off the grid though.
So I spent a few nights in the dark and without Internet access. That was fun.
 
@ProblemSolver so you're a "C++ guy"? Tell me about it
 
Please don't
 
1:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I know what STL is about :P
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Back to the stone ages!
 
@Problem SGI STL?
 
@BartekBanachewicz STL + MTL + FTL + HTL +.. Holy Jesus
 
Meh you're a really low troll
Would need to need you for ages before you'd grow into a strong, big one
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yea, Low level programmer + low troll = good mix :P
 

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