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11:00 AM
@refp jerking and trying to hit a circle maybe
 
@jalf I don't know really
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz "and it's non-optimized & verbose OpenGL ..." - that sooo sounds like the usual comparision between C++ and oh-so-fast-jitter-Java
 
@Xeo wait what? Maybe I don't read as many "C++ vs Java" comparisons as you do
 
WHAT ` ` W A I T?
that.. didn't work
neither did that,, but heck, spam.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz It's just what's been stuck in my mind: "Look, this Java code is almost as fast as the C++ version, and it's unoptimized etc!"
 
11:02 AM
I think I know what it is that fucks me of most about Java. Nothing is ever full explained. There is always some detail that is left as IDE magic, and if you are not using that ide 'fuck you'
 
@Xeo ah. well, it's pretty much the other way. Unoptimized GL is faster.
 
@thecoshman That's a bias from some flaw in your personal experience.
 
Excuse me, can someone please take a look at my question and tell me how to fix it (if you know)? Thanks a lot guys! stackoverflow.com/questions/17796897/…
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course it fucking is, it is what fucks me of the most
 
@thecoshman I know what you mean. I think that's less an inherent trait of Java, than of the enterprisey culture around it
 
11:03 AM
the java programmer is like a retarded cousin of the c++ equivalent; it needs a baby sitter to clean up whatever mess it leaves behind. and it drools.. a lot.
did it get really cold in here all of a sudden? like a ghost came in or something?
 
I don't really have a problem with the language it self, I just rarely get a chance to use the language. There is endless frameworks, IDE auto-generation and config files that mean you have no idea how shit is working.
@refp ... I had the same feeling
 
No one appreciates an obvious answer in stackoverflow.com/a/17807910/85371
 
@refp I attribute it to the surge of moronic and stupid insults against programmers who use a different langauge
 
@thecoshman weird.. too bad ghosts are invisible and speak on a frequence which our ears cannot register.
@jalf you also replied to the wrong message. troll score: 4/10
 
11:06 AM
@refp err...?
 
I have downloaded OGRE SDK, which has pre-built boost. I downloaded this : sourceforge.net/projects/ogre/files/ogre/1.8/1.8.1/…. You can download it and see for yourself, but everything is built already. — TheGhost 1 hour ago
 
You asked a question, which I responded to
 
TIL Ogre comes with boost prebuilt
 
I am pretty sure I replied to the message I intended to reply to
 
@jalf VAGINAS
@jalf I just noticed that.. sorry, read your message completely wrong
 
11:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what the fuck
 
@sehe It's built already.
 
Xeo
That's what 'prebuilt' means...
 
@Xeo Yea, I know, but can someone tell me how to fix this thing?
I know, no helpdesk, but sorry guys.
I'm out of my gum.
 
@ArneMertz Permission granted
 
oh snap! @Xeo; @TheGhost whisperer.
<- can do this all day
 
11:10 AM
Can I get a drink here..?
 
> And I don't need any permissions from anybody, I'm a big girl.
lol
 
@NREZ down the hall to the left, there's lube available for the obligatory entrance "fee".. ask for "Samson".
 
@refp you're amazing
 
@sehe I know, I'm also kinda annoying (or so I've heard).
 
My horse is amazing.
 
11:11 AM
Thanks @refp... Something every programmer keeps looking for innit?
@TheGhost My horse is amazing... NOT...
 
@NREZ a london chap? I be damned.
 
wow exception specification sucks
 
or well, there are more regions in the UK where one uses "innit", but I'm going to turn up the prejudice and act all gangstah 'bout it
 
@refp naah... Just been there a couple of months ago... Still away sick it seems...
 
OK guys, I'm going to go now, if anyone has an answer for my problem just answer it on my question page. Over & out.
 
Xeo
11:15 AM
The fuck just happened.
 
"I know this is no helpdesk but I am going to pretend it is one, because my needs are the only thing that matter"
 
Maybe I should do a version with char* instead. Gargle. Nobody appreciates a straightforward loop these days :/ — sehe 1 min ago
 
Xeo
You're doing that quite often lately.
 
@A.H. Java?
 
@sehe C++
 
11:18 AM
@A.H. what sucks really?
nothrow? :P
 
throw (A, B, C...)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz noexcept
@A.H. Don't use em
 
yah, noexcept
 
noshit
 
@A.H. deprecated
 
Xeo
11:19 AM
They're deprecated and suck anyways.
 
What is?
 
> They also owe me $2 of the fee I paid unknowingly, when bought an SDXC card last year.
 
yeah I am gonna have to document the exceptions some other way
 
Xeo
Throws: Stuff
 
@A.H. Oh. Noone ever used them
 
Xeo
11:19 AM
Except for throw()
 
noexcept now
 
Wow I have no idea what anyone is talking about lol
 
Xeo
@sehe You said "used"!
 
Welcome to the Lounge @Rapptz...
 
Xeo
1
A: Why doesn't `std::initializer_list` provide a subscript operator?

Sergey K.Initializer list constructors usually constructs elements in an allocated memory block using allocator.construct(p, v). That means that the prime use-case is to process a list sequentially.

 
11:20 AM
@Rapptz exception specification throw(Exception)
 
Xeo
Wha, I what.... WHAT
 
@NREZ Thanks.
 
Xeo
"This does apples, therefore oranges"
 
Oh, this.
I've never used them or known of their existence.
 
I actually thought it did compile time checks
 
11:23 AM
@A.H. Nope.
that might have been useful
 
blergh, texture completess rules are so retarded
 
@Xeo I didn't contradict anything
@DeadMG For making java devs feel more at home
 
@sehe my uni used Java to teach me programming does that make me a Java dev ? :<
 
I wonder if I could use transform feedback in minicraft
to modify the outer displayed shell of cubes
it would be pretty hardcore, but the gains would be amazing.
 
11:31 AM
what does transform feedback do exactly?
 
@melak47 you know what feedback is?
like when you put a mic next to the speaker?
 
yes
 
what could go wrong if x[i] would be defined as 100 equivalent to *((&*x) + i) ?
 
the volume will be, on each "iteration", amplified by some constant
 
user142019
@A.H. HAHHAHAHAHAA
 
user142019
11:33 AM
My uni used Java to make me realize how terrible Java is.
 
making use even of overloaded operators!
 
so when I play sound at volume 10, after the mic captures it, it's amplified and played at, say, volume 11
 
lol
 
then mic captures volume 11, and plays it back at 12.1, and so on.
 
That's a feedback loop
 
11:34 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I said yes >_>
 
yeah, but illustrates the idea nicely
now if you take the vertex data instead of sound volume...
shader takes vertices and outputs them back.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so they get more and more transformed? :p
 
the vertex data gets added to itself with offsets and fucks everything up? sounds like a great feature :p
 
can a feedback loop end up at a fixpoint?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Maximum speaker output volume
 
11:35 AM
@JohannesSchaub-litb you can manually disable the speaker at some point
or what puppy said
@melak47 who said "added"
 
user142019
@A.H. noexcept if it makes no sense for the function to throw an exception, comment or other documentation if it does.
 
actually transform feedback goes through Vertex Shader, Tesselation and Geometry Shader
 
user142019
throw(stuff) is, thank God, deprecated.
 
you're explaining it perfectly, assuming the listener already knows what it is.
5
 
@jalf TF is not a basic concept
 
11:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz so it's like Streamout in D3D, where you can stream vertex data (or whatever) into a buffer from a shader
 
You've provided an analogy which just implies that the same transformation is applied to each vertex an infinite number of time. That's not really helpful to someone asking what it is
 
user142019
:10782537 Not sure about empty throw specs. :V
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't have to be. The point is you haven't even touched on what the concept is
 
why does a copy/move constructor still need to odr-use member and base destructors even if all member and base constructors involved are noexcept!?
 
user142019
I love how you can do throw(T...). :D
 
11:37 AM
@melak47 I don't care about DX, but if it helps you understand it, perhaps it is that or similar
 
@rightfold now is it deprecated?
 
@jalf it allows the shaders to modify the vertex data without moving it back to CPU.
@JohannesSchaub-litb mhm
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's how a feedback loop works.
 
@BartekBanachewicz see, was that so hard? ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can do any operation between the mic and the speaker
 
11:39 AM
feedback loop just means y = x * f where f > 1
 
okey, if that's the formal definition of feedback loop, then transform feedback is more complex, because it allows arbitrary vertex pipeline setup
 
oh no i was joking. really i have no idea lol
 
but if you look at first page of the spec, "Vertex Specification -> Vertex Shading -> Tesselation -> Geometry Shading -> Transform Feedback -> TF Buffers -> Vertex Specification" indeed forms a loop
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's why I asked if it was like Streamout. jeez man.
 
@melak47 I have no idea what Streamout is, and Dx concepts, whilst being similar, can have important differences. I won't just blindly say "yes it's like Dx" because I don't know what Dx one implies
I might have said something completely wrong, and in this case I'd rather admit to not knowing what the fuck Streamout is. Perhaps it's similar.
 
11:44 AM
Yes, it's much better to say "It's like microphones and speakers" than "It's like DX streamout", because the former doesn't use blasphemous words.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually know how microphones and speakers work, also the concept is simplified there.
I am not going to talk about Dx simply because I don't know it.
 
welp
downloading at maximum velocity: 120kbs
 
I think the lesson here is that when explaining a concept, it is helpful to spend the first sentence saying what it actually is, before saying "it's just like microphones and speakers" :p
 
11:46 AM
always :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz :p
 
I wasn't aware this was a discussion though
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz how do microphones and speakers work?
 
how can I become rich!??
 
11:47 AM
piezoelectric crystals, I think.
 
@Fanael I play (electric) guitar, I gotta know these things.
 
or that might have been ultrasound.
 
@jalf i would appreciate your expertise!
 
plasma high-tone speakers are awsum :3
 
For a certain definition of "gotta"
 
11:48 AM
oh but of course, it's not like I am building them
 
I.e. "I cannot pay a sound technician"
 
@Fanael i must become good at lying?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb what?
 
@jalf Everyone knows you're rich.
Wait, @jalf is rich?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Electric guitar is more than a piece of wood and a few magnets. Actually the cable, the effects board, the amp and even the mic in front of the amp are all part of your sound, and thus are important for the player.
 
11:49 AM
what.
 
user784668
But you don't need to know that to play it.
 
@Fanael why have you deleted your insightful message :( i couldn't even read to the end
 
@Fanael if you don't care about how you sound, then sure.
 
damn, if I was Prime Minister, I would kick them up the arse.
 
11:50 AM
Come on, it even says "entertainment" in the link.
Also, it's funny.
 
> U2 got stuck inside a giant mechanical Lemon during a Norwegian date of their PopMart tour in 1997.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, you and your assumption that everybody is Bartek Banachewicz.
 
@Fanael wait what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You can pay someone to care about that and spend more time getting better at playing it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hence why it's not actual news.
 
11:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes uh, that's, em, not exactly how it works, really
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz I have working ears, therefore I know how I sound by hearing. But sure, if you're deaf, then knowing these things can be helpful.
 
@DeadMG I'm not sure what type of news you expect from an entertainment section.
 
@Rapptz I expect for the entertainment section to not exist. Well, am rather unhappy that it does exist, as opposed to actually expecting that it doesn't.
 
@Fanael you have to listen to it regardless. But how are you supposed to make corrections if you don't know how your setup works?
 
11:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz You pay someone that knows to make corrections.
 
You don't even have to pay attention to it.
 
user142019
Man.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz don't make corrections and pretend you meant it, for example
 
@Rapptz It's funded by a tax, so it's difficult to not pay attention.
 
user142019
It's only two o'clock.
 
11:55 AM
@thecoshman The fuck? I don't even.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Or get so high you don't care.
 
@TonyTheLion Damn, I was just about to ask you wtf you were doing coming in when nobody had mentioned sex... then I viewed the gif
 
user142019
I expected it to be like, four o'clock.
 
I like the flagged+starred effect.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have yet to see a guitar player that doesn't set up his gear himself. Technician can rewire your stuff, sure, but you can't tell someone "I need more x" in the sound. Your sound expresses yourself as much as your playstyle, and whilst the fingers are extremely important in sound shaping, the proper effects and amp setup is still necessary.
 
11:57 AM
@thecoshman it looks like it was non-empty
 
And it involves zero actual electronics/whatever knowledge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It involves knowledge on how the effects work and sound; you don't need to know how many transistors they have inside, of course.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Of course, you're missing one important thing: you don't know what corrections you're supposed to make, because you don't know the exact taste of your audience. And if you think you do, you're assuming everybody is Bartek Banachewicz.
 
user784668
You know how to play guitar, but not how to play music.
 
@Fanael what? The corrections are not for the audience! They are for you.
 
11:58 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Well, guess what, mics and speakers work thanks to electronics, not sound.
 
@Fanael And that assumption is based on?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Certain types of mics and speakears exhibit certain sonic behaviours.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, and that's still not about how they work, but about what they produce.
 
So, for example if you want more pronounced, sharp sound, you'll go for a particular type of mic placed "on-center" of 4x12 speaker cabinet.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes. I never said otherwise.
 
Sweet oranges are sweet, and bitter oranges are bitter.
I don't need to know what makes them sweet or bitter to pick.
 
well, maybe I've phrased it badly then
 
12:00 PM
12 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Fanael I play (electric) guitar, I gotta know these things.
 
user784668
15 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually know how microphones and speakers work, also the concept is simplified there.
 
yeah, just backed up to that.
you need the effect, not the insides, I agree.
 
oh my, scarification (warning, it's scarification)
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Good.
 
however what @Fanael said about sound shaping is certainly very off.
 
12:01 PM
Let's see how decent GitHub support is.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman That looks like it hurts
 
Wait, what happened to Tony? Why is thecosh doing his reddit viewing for him?
 
@thecoshman is it red flesh or just color?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb o_0 it's freshly cut...
 
12:03 PM
hmm tasty
 
ok, I've skimmed through the whole spec
there are not many changes, tbh
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz but I don't need to play music for myself!
 
@Fanael if you are playing only for the others and not for yourself, there's the problem
 
user784668
Why is it a problem?
 
do you play any instrument?
 
user784668
12:06 PM
I play vocal cords most of the time.
 
I want to learn about the guitar
 
And you do it only for the others?
 
user784668
Not quite.
 
@DarkHorse PremierGuitar is a great and reliable source of information.
@Fanael exactly. If you start doing it for the others only, it becomes your job, not your passion
I'm off for food.
 
@DeadMG Damnit! Fuck fuck fuck fuck, cocksucking shite. ARGHGHGHGHGHGH FUCK! I'm trying to get RID of this.
 
12:10 PM
keke
 
@TonyTheLion It's what makes you you! You can't beat the Universe.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Agreed.
 
what is PremierGuitar?
 
Why is escaping a character in windows command prompt ^ and not \?
 
12:12 PM
-_-
 
@TonyTheLion this is really starting to get to you isn't it :P
 
@Rapptz probably because `\` has a different meaning already? :p
 
Come on, aren't you going to fight it?
 
C:\>echo \<lol\>
The syntax of the command is incorrect.

C:\>echo ^<lol^>
<lol>
 
user784668
@Rapptz Because \ is the path separator?
 
12:13 PM
:(
 
@Rapptz it already uses '\' for folders
 
I guess.
I forgot about that since I use / by default.
 
user784668
In PowerShell it's `, btw.
 
@Rapptz you don't use tab completion then?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No its not what makes me. Its a meme which I'm tired of having associated with me.
 
12:14 PM
@jalf tab completion for me only works on the current directory
 
anyway, it is probably also reasonable to assume that part of the reason is that the designers of the Windows command shell were smoking something illegal at the time
 
user784668
@jalf of course, the most reasonable assumption is compatibility with ancient crap.
 
All this just to print </html>
 
user784668
@Rapptz you're generating HTML from a batch file?
 
12:16 PM
@TonyTheLion that's the beauty of memes
 
@TonyTheLion The Universe seems to think otherwise.
 
@Fanael No I'm concatenating files (header.html + body.html) but I don't want to write a footer.html just to do </html>.
 
user784668
So you are generating HTML.
 
yeah but not through a batch file.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean they had 4 prisoners?
 
12:18 PM
@jalf lol
 
Hypothetical:) If a developer had a fishpond whose liner had developed a small, difficult-to-find leak in the side because the stupid dog from the next farm keeps jumping in, would the rate of water depth decrease be proportional to the distance between the surface and the leak, (ie. exponential decay)? If so, the dev. could fill up the pond, sink in a ruler, take periodic measurements and then 'Excel' the vertical position of the leak.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and @thecoshman I've found the perfect response to you two
 
@TonyTheLion it's ok, I'd rather do with out you flashing your ass at me
 
you missed the "kicking you in the face" part
 
@DarkHorse a website about guitar obviously
 
12:26 PM
Morning
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't be so fast with "obviously", considering how many innocuous domains hold porn sites
 
@MartinJames Yes, the rate of leak declines as the water leaks out, due to reduced water pressure pushing the water out. But I doubt it would be by a very large factor for a small fish pond.
 
user784668
Is there any situation where std::bind is a better choice than a lambda?
 
@Fanael Polymorphic.
 
@Bartek Thanks for your suggestion
 
12:31 PM
@Fanael like jalf.com :/ (may or may not be nsfw, haven't checked recently)
 
Xeo
@Fanael Intent, polymorphism (for now)
Conciseness
 
> NVIDIA recommends that developers always create a Compatibility profile context, to ensure full backwards compatibility of existing OpenGL code.
ugh wat.
> always
that sounds a bit... well... weird.
 
Heh, and Apple actually only exposes modern functionality if you request a Core profile
 
@jalf It's definitely NSFW.
 
@jalf Apple stopped with official support on 3.2, so they are lightyears behind anyway
 
12:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, but if you request a compatibility profile, you get 2.1
 
And new Mac Pro will have AMD cards T_T
 
@DeadMG The dev. in question has been struggling to find this leak for two days now. He has pumped out the pool twice and got very pissed off with it. The fish are probably not very happy either, being continually netted and swapped between the pool and a dog bath:(
 
(anyway, they announced 4.1 support in the next OS version, so that's better than nothnig)
 
and they support 4+ features via extensions
 
@jalf Dammit, I thought you were joking and that was your domain. Forgot it's .dk. It's certainly NSFW.
 
user784668
12:34 PM
Oh no, MinGW-w64 broke Windows 2000 support.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOL, sorry about that
They've got .net as well, IIRC
I keep hoping they'll go out of business one day, and I can grab the domain
 
@MartinJames Well what I'd suggest would be easier is to just let all the water leak out, and you can observe when it stops leaking. That will be a much more reliable way to tell it's vertical position.
 
(plus I bet I'd get lots more visitors by taking over a defunct porn site's domain name :D)
 
@jalf Probably uninterested ones, though.
 
Turns out "You know that I can legally force feed you, right?" can be a great motivator. #parenting
 
12:37 PM
@DeadMG Yeah - that was plan A, then there were thunderstorms and the pool filled up faster than it was leaking, for a bit. This could take a while :(
 
that looks like a damn hairy ball
he could've added colours or someshit :/
 
@MartinJames 1. Swap lining for intact lining. 2. Place lining indoors and let it leak out there. 3. Patch old lining.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that like a standard library or something?
 
@DeadMG Oh - plan C. I was hoping to avoid that hassle, but...
 
@Jeffrey Boost.
 
12:41 PM
love optical illusions >_<
 
@DeadMG Oh Right.
 
@MartinJames Well, you could just swap out the lining and then bin the previous lining :P
or just let all the water leak out and let all your fish die :P
 
TIL G-Truc works at AMD
On the other side of the barricade, heh.
 
I bought so many things on the internet I don't even remember what I have bought until I checked my credit card history online
 
12:46 PM
you are rich @Telkitty猫咪咪
 
@DeadMG Oh - I'm tempted. The soddin' fishpond is taking away all my development and beer time. I wake up each morning and it's 'fishpond day'. My whole life revolves around 12 small Carp/Koi. I'm losing it..
 
Hey everyone!
 
Fishing is cool.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It interactively 'highlights' edges connecting the selected vertex
 
12:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes agreed
 
@BartekBanachewicz But I agree, the graph is pretty useless. I'd be much happier with a dot-style export. Or just an adjacency-list
 
I'm sorry to admit that apparently I'll have to work with PHP for the Uni. And I'm really scared (knowing how bad it is). Any support?
 
Then we could group subcomponents and name them logically. Who cares that MPL depends on Typetraits, really? Isn't that obvious? We don't need all these details cluttering up the picture
 
@ChinmayDabke
 
Ah. Peace
 
12:49 PM
@Jeffrey there's a weird language that compiles to PHP, but it's hardly better than PHP itself
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Haxe?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Especially, in the pond
 
@Jeffrey What is this?
 
@Fanael oh, Haxe compiles to PHP too? TIL. No, I was thinking about someshit that was abandoned a few years ago, that had ` for public, /` for private and so on
 
@BartekBanachewicz :( I appreciate the try :)
 
12:50 PM
@Jeffrey i am new to stackoverflow
 
So it seems. Feel free to lurk a while. Questions go on the main site (Stack Overflow)
 
@ChinmayDabke that's apparent. What Jeffrey was saying that if you want to ask a question, do it on Stack Overflow
 
@ChinmayDabke This is a chat room where random questions are usually not well seen. Please go to stackoverflow.com and ask a question there. Thanks.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz geal.github.io/pod ?
 
user784668
That was a joke.
 
12:52 PM
@Fanael like PHP, except PHP is a pretty bad joke.
 
@Jeffrey @Bartek Thanks . i'll do that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dislike abortions – they are an invasive medical procedure that should be avoided at all cost
In fact, pregnancies are. They should also be avoided if unwanted.
 
user784668
May we live long and die out.
 
@R.Martinho I had an idea in the bus today, do you think it's reasonable to put downloading and unpacking of dependencies into SConstruct somehow?
 
@KonradRudolph I was cracking a joke at the idea of "abortion as a contraceptive".
 
12:58 PM
@KonradRudolph good job your a lad then, never have to worry about it
 
lol
As man you have to worry twice. :)
 
@thecoshman Erm, oh yes, he has.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's a she?
 
Babies don't magically sprout out of uteruses.
Just saying.
 
:D
 

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