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10:00 AM
@thecoshman shh
 
<cough>leak</cough>
 
> Please let me know if there is a way to achieve uhoh
<leak>cough</leak>
 
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user142019
<C++>Lounge</C++>
 
@rightfold Ouch
 
10:01 AM
@thecoshman let's just say GLDR might become pretty irrelevant
 
@sehe Regular cola doesn't have any of those things either.
 
Lounge</LMX>
@DeadMG I won't argue that
 
user142019
Just drink Hero Fruitontbijt and have a tonguegasm.
 
now, TBH, I think this is not confidential
 
@BartekBanachewicz You might become pretty irrelevant. But look at the bright side: at least pretty precedes irrelevant
 
at 1.50 for 0.75l? no chance
 
@rightfold He doesn't want that. He hides in a cave to avoid stimuli
 
@BartekBanachewicz :o
 
@DeadMG Steal it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Famous last words.
 
10:04 AM
@BartekBanachewicz not any more
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's on a publicly accessible server.
 
considering the spec is out, I doubt it is
 
Xeo
@DeadMG That really doesn't say anything.
 
Monsanto bought Blackwater. WTF
@DeadMG That's irrelevant.
 
10:05 AM
But presentations from SIGGRAPH.. well, I dunno really
 
The level of confidentiality of something and its level of protection are orthogonal.
 
I think they are public, but better safe than sorry
 
I jog every second day - this way I can steal more of what is one of the most valueable things in the world - oxygen
 
(Though optimal setups strive to keep them directly proportional)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes spec is Open, duh
anyway, OpenGL spec has moved to XML
 
10:05 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Process isn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know a peer2peer network that hosts a lot of non-free things on publicly-accessible servers :)
 
now all language apis will be generated from that XML
Instead of those ".spec" files :cripes:
 
Xeo
ew, XML
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's reasonable to expect that, if you ask your employees to keep something private, that you don't create a publicly available copy of the document and then publicly link it from a public website.
 
@Xeo what's wrong with XML?
also not really many surprises
 
10:07 AM
@BartekBanachewicz so where's the GLDR obsoleting changes in this? it's pretty long..
 
ARB_clear_texture finally, ARB_multi_bind looks nice
 
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XML is reasonable if you can use LINQ to XML. :P
 
user142019
Otherwise :puke:.
 
@melak47 well for one multi_bind will probably require us to change api somehow :/
@rightfold PugiXML is ok
 
@rightfold Erm, no. It only takes away the pain of a terrible API.
It's still XML.
 
user142019
10:09 AM
That's the problem I encountered the most with XML, and LINQ to XML solves that problem, so for me it's reasonable.
 
Also WOW
 
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I don't care how the data looks as long as I can manipulate it.
 
ARB_bindless_texture <- it's now ARB, not NV
that's awsum.
 
@melak47 umm, quick? They were working for the last couple months on them
 
Xeo
10:09 AM
@melak47 And they surely didn't have a preview of OGL 4.4 beforehand.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :p
 
I'd like to remind you that NVidia participates in creating of the standard.
> Shader based Transform Feedback Layout
wow you can actually set stride in shaders now.
 
Is that Transform Feedback like Streamout in D3D?
 
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Xeo
How very helpful!
 
10:13 AM
@melak47 I have no idea what "Streamout" is. It's transform feedback.
Which is a pretty descriptive name
 
...it is?
 
yeah? It's a transformation which feedbacks.
anyway, this bindless_texture thingy
NVidia really wants to move to raytraced rendering o.O
 
@rightfold XML has problems with weak validation, complicated validation, namespace convolution, confusing whitespace semantics, incomplete support for mixed content elements in almost every API, bad streaming characteristics (loses validation first), possibly more. All of these have precious little to do with DOM access versus Linq-to-XML.
 
goodbye triangles :P
> Another advantage is that Bindless textures makes rendering techniques possible that were hard or impossible to do before. Example: In advanced rendering apps such as raytracing it is impossible to know in advance which textures a given ray may hit – thus it is impossible to pre-“bind” them. Bindless model solves this problem by allowing shader reference textures dire.ctly
 
That said, I love Linq-To-XML because it takes the pain out of the inevitableness
 
10:15 AM
@BartekBanachewicz you can still raytrace with triangles...but it becomes easier to apply whatever whacky transform you want :3
 
@melak47 read what I wrote above.
It's not the raytracing you think of.
 
@rightfold If your domain consists of XElements and XAttributes...
 
@BartekBanachewicz thank god!
 
@melak47 time to download it anyway :P
oh hi @jalf
 
@BartekBanachewicz be careful. my 3rd screen disappeared after I installed it :X
 
10:19 AM
NSA has a backdoor
 
nooo, now they have my screen!
 
@melak47 I have only 2 :D
Hm, Chapter 4 of the spec talks about Event model
it's not new in 4.4 tho
QUERY_BUFFER is a new type of buffer... // @thecoshman
also new buffer storage types
 
user142019
@sehe OIC
 
1. Colleague goes to the bathroom 2. Go to their computer, add "enterprise Java" as a skill on their LinkedIn 3. "Endorse" 4. Flee the scene
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10:26 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :'(
 
I've never hated anyone that much. Planting dealer-quantity cocaine in their car and tipping off the cops is about as far as I have gone.
 
I need to start working on some random project..
 
OpenGL4.4 kills one of my screens :(
 
it's beta driver, what would you expect
 
thinking about writing something that could be described as a Tibia clone, but I'm not really into games anymore.. but then again I have close to zero experience with graphics (always been working backend) when it comes to C/C++
maybe.. maybe not
or just segfault.
 
10:33 AM
@refp what's C/C++?
 
@BartekBanachewicz a pair of language.
 
since when is / used to define a pair? Also what the fuck does "a pair of language" mean?
 
@BartekBanachewicz two languages separated by a slash /, me saying that I've not created any graphics using neither C nor C++
 
@refp that's better.
Graphics are cool :3
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's what is meant by a pair of languages.
 
10:36 AM
BartekBanachewicz; the twig on an already massive stick up your ass while in Lounge<C++>.
 
that's not even english.
 
Meh. Compilerbug reported 2008 - still not fixed. I want to smack someone.
 
English++
 
@refp I just hate people using "C/C++"
 
@BartekBanachewicz you hate everyone.
 
10:37 AM
WTF
 
@refp No, that's not true.
 
I certainly don't hate "C/C++"in the right context
 
user142019
C/++
 
FFS jekyll is complaining that my code snippets are malformed HTML? WTF went south here?
 
Well I hate C so that might be that
 
10:38 AM
I hate C99.
so we could hate together if you'd like
 
Ubuntu software center ^
 
@refp Well C99 is a nice update imho. Designated initializers are cool.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what is @ShuklaSannidhya on about?
 
ergh... damn save rules we have for formatting code will not allow implicate 'this'
 
@refp he's a 15yo who just learned C and he's trying to impress everyone around. A lot of people got him plonked here.
Also G-Truc retweeted me :3
 
10:40 AM
@BartekBanachewicz not really needed though, to me ansi C should be kept as simple as possible. but sure, there are some cool features in there, but I could do without 'em
fancy features = "fancy" 15yo's fucking things up
 
@BartekBanachewicz Whoa! I'm just saying that "C/C++" is widely used... Not that I like to use that term...
 
Only cool thing in C is regex in scanf.
 
can one really describe the use of format-specifiers as regex? not sure what the true definition of regular-expression is.. with that; I'm gonna look it up
 
@refp I meant literally regex.
 
@Rapptz either case your usage was correct. and since when can you use a regex (with it's most spread definition) in scanf?
 
10:42 AM
Since pre-ANSI C.
 
if I put the 3rd screen on the other DVI port, it shows p, but displays nothing. I've never had their beta drivers break Dual-DVI before :D
 
@Rapptz I think (and kinda hope) we are talking about different things here.. care to show me what you're referring to with a line of code?
 
fscanf(fpin, "%d%*[^\n]", &var);
 
sure there are some things implemented that looks like a regular-expression but saying that you can use regular expressions in scanf is to me kinda misleading
well %* isn't used to match "zero or more", it's just something that you'd like to skip
I'd describe it as; "a minor set of regular expressions can be used in C when dealing with *scan*", but I wouldn't say that you could actually use "regexp" in C
 
@refp the distinction being...?
 
10:46 AM
@refp "simple as possible"? Why? If the feature makes code cleaner, I am all in.
 
@refp Still cooler than std::cin.
 
@Rapptz certainly.
 
@Rapptz most things are
 
Spirit, anyone? :P
 
Why don't we have a typesafe scanf-like for C++? :(
 
10:48 AM
@jalf erhm.. /[0-9]*/ match a digit zero or more times, "[0-9]*" read a digit but discard it
or well, that's kinda oddly put but maybe you catch my drift
(syntax wise)
@BartekBanachewicz call me old fashion or something
 
@refp why don't you code in B then?
 
B looks like boobies and I'd never be able to concentrate with that on my mind all day
@jalf alright, better example: "%c%*c%c"
 
@refp then in A
 
no shit
wtf..
 
@refp since when did "match a digit" mean "match the digit and promise to not ever discard it"? What you do with the matched text from a regex is up to you.
 
10:53 AM
@BartekBanachewicz vaginas.
@jalf what the what.. are you trollin'?
 
No more than usual
 
@refp that's why C will hopefully die. Its users are simply not willing to progress
 
@jalf the meaning of several "special" characters in regular-expressions has no or completely different meaning in C's scanf related functions
 
You don't want to accept C99, whilst C11 was released. Basically pretty much every C program written today is outdated by 20 years.
 
@refp sure, my point was that you seemed to make a distinction between a regex "matching" characters, and scanf "reading characters and doing nothing with them"
 
10:55 AM
@jalf nhaa, I was talking about the different meanings of tokens in the expression
 
oh, gotcha
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wasn't super duper serious with my "keeping it ol'school" statements
 
@refp but a lot of C programmers are. (I am not trying to be offensive now; simply stating the facts)
I think you're more reasonable than a typical C programmer :F
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure, and a lot of black people own guns.. doesn't mean that we should get rid of 'em (or well, maybe guns.. what do I know)
 
10:57 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Circle-jerking much?
 
circle-jerking? is that what it sounds like?
 
user142019
Jerking together in a circle on a slice of bread.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I quoted his "Sadly still no Direct State Access progress. Happy 5 years complain aniversary!"
 
And he retweeted it back.
 
is it "jerking in a circle of other people jerking" or "running around in circles while jerking", or maybe.. "jerking while making circles with your jerking equipment"?
 
10:59 AM
My #OpenGL voxel viewer is ~1ms faster (13.5 vs 14.7) than the Direct3D version, and it's non-optimized & verbose #OpenGL ...
ITT OPENGL 1MS FASTER THAN DX (:))
 
@refp is that a trick question? :p
 
@rightfold slice of bread? I guess we swedish people are kinda posh.. the legend says that one should use cinnamon buns
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just love that "1ms"
 
@refp Jerking each other back and forth.
 

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