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1:00 AM
Oh well.
4 hour builds, here I come.
 
@ThePhD if you're trying to keep compile time down, I don't think DLL actually saves you anything. The pros/cons are runtime related
 
It's not compile-times I'm trying to save.
It's the rebuild-LLVM-everytime-you-upgrade-compilers dealio.
 
@ThePhD how often do you upgrade compilers?
 
You'll still need to do that, or do a naked goat-monkey dance to compile with earlier CRT.
 
@ThePhD it's the only justification you mentioned, and thus the only one I refuted
 
I don't upgrade compilers often, but if VS is looking at charging money every year and Herb Sutter and STL and all of them keep releasing newer versions of the C++ compiler, this might get somewhat annoying.
 
@Jeffrey that's when you activated the chat account. it's "tied" to the SO account, but they're still quasi-separate accounts.
 
@MooingDuck Is there a way to see what was my first message in here?
 
@Jeffrey probably
 
FFS
I hate how CMake can't generate just 1 solution for both VS 2013 x64 and x86
I have to generate two, open up two, and shoot them off separately
 
1:04 AM
@MooingDuck Hm. How?
 
If you're doing mass builds, then don't generate VS solutions.
Or run MSBuild automatically instead of doing builds manually from the IDE.
 
@Jeffrey I searched for your name, then went backwards. found this
 
Ell
Man I'm sad all of a sudden
 
@Jeffrey though theoretically you could read through the transcript starting from teh date you created the chat account
 
I use to get more done in two days than I do in a week now.
 
1:06 AM
@MooingDuck I can't find a way to see all my messages in here
 
Why do you think that is?
 
If you go to search it only display the last few newest messages
 
@Jeffrey there isn't really a way
 
@CatPlusPlus Not a clue how to do that.
In the end, it's still generating 2 solutions that I'd have to run through MSBuild, right?
 
@MooingDuck Where did you searched my name then?
 
1:07 AM
Write a script.
 
@Jeffrey in the search bar
 
@MooingDuck but you have to specify a text for the messages to search
 
run-cmake x86
run-msbuild x86
run-cmake x64
run-msbuild x64
 
@Jeffrey someone replying to you would have "Jeffrey" in the message
 
nice
 
1:08 AM
good morning
 
@Jeffrey You posted nothing Oct 11 2012 btw
 
And then, use CI.
 
@MooingDuck Well, I had like 5 names before this one
 
Or something.
 
@Jeffrey You created the chat account Oct 11 2012. As of Oct 28 2012 you had this name
I haven't found messages between those yet, if you had a different name that could be why
 
1:10 AM
How long do you imagine it takes to make mockups?
 
@MooingDuck Actually I've created the chat account back in 2010 as shown in the picture
 
oh hey I'm late
oh wow: 2010-11-01 I was totally off on the date
like, seriously off.
 
Nothing in common with your date.
lol
 
there's an eleven :(
and it's in teh 201x's...
 
Not in the correct position though :P
 
1:12 AM
later all
 
ahaha
 
Ell
Bye duck :)
Have a nice day tomorrow
 
@MooingDuck wow, which is just a month older than this chat room (2010-10-15)
 
wow
 
woah, @Ell is the oldest in here
 
Ell
1:16 AM
:3
 
lol
 
Ell
Not even lol
 
I was just looking what was the first cat appearance
 
Ell
Haha
So how do I find my oldest activities?
Chat wise
 
@Jeffrey Do not sully the king's name...
 
1:21 AM
No one knows
I'll be banished from his kingdom for that :(
 
Ell
Seriously :3
 
Fuck, I wanna see Cat when he was not grumpy :(
when he was all about optimism and nice things
The actual Jeff made an appearance as well. Cool.
 
UML is necessary in soft?
 
@Rapptz Interesting...
 
1:28 AM
The price is $830?
 
UML doesn't have a price
 
UML's price is your soul and sanity.
 
@Rapptz I don't want Unity on my phone :/
 
@Rapptz Saphire display. Is that as badass as it seems?
@CatPlusPlus Ok, you haven't changed a bit from then.
 
1:37 AM
@melak47 I never liked Ubuntu. If I could get a different flavor of OS on it that wasn't iOS, Android, or Ubuntu, I'd do it.
 
@ThePhD WP8? :>
 
Dear good god no.
 
What's left?
 
that leaves...what, symbian? D:
 
Nothing. Nothing is left.
We'd need a new OS.
 
1:38 AM
I've grown extra-bitter.
 
Built out of Haskell.
 
Q: What's left? A: What isn't right.
 
@ThePhD If you like none of those OSes something is definitely wrong with you.
 
That first message was a joke reference to Wikipedia removing pages about programming languages btw
So that didn't change.
 
@CatPlusPlus Removing? Why?
 
1:39 AM
@Borgleader Until a phone OS lets me compile native code or lets me program in a managed language that isn't made out of shitty tits, I don't want to have it. =[
 
@CatPlusPlus one day, it'll overflow and you'll be happy again!
 
Wikipedia being Wikipedia.
 
@ThePhD You can do native c++ on android...
right?
 
big cat
 
It was 2 years ago, I don't remember the details. Probably arguing about notability.
 
1:40 AM
@Borgleader LIAR.
 
@Borgleader I think you can only do Java IIRC
 
> The NDK is a toolset that allows you to implement parts of your app using native-code languages such as C and C++. (Source)
 
You can use C++. And C. And C#. And tons of other stuff.
 
IN YOUR FACE PHD
 
Working with that is shit anyway because :android:.
 
1:41 AM
@Borgleader Too bad it's terrible. Also,
> implement parts of your app
PARTS
PAAARRTS
99 bucks says you have to write a Java wrapper or something dumb.
 
It's JNI.
 
doesn't wp8 allow native C++? or only C++/CX
 
Anyway, back to my Entity Component System research
 
@Borgleader :)
 
When will a complete cross platform framework be built for let's say at least iOS, Android and Windows phone?
 
1:43 AM
Mono ?
 
I don't think there's Mono for WP.
But maybe. Dunno. Nobody cares about WP anyway.
 
lol nobody uses WP8 anyway
 
乾隆下江南,乌龟挡道。乾隆问:“王八们有何事上奏?”乌龟道:“我等有王八蛋进贡,欲求乌纱帽!”乾隆大笑:“好,哪日灯头朝下时,就让你等全部当 官。”乌龟们扣谢。乾隆笑道:“这帮蠢王八,油灯烛头什么时候可以朝下?”转眼300年后,电灯取代了蜡烛,于是君无戏言,这些王八果真全部当了官
5
 
Lol, someone arguing not to use a constructor initializer list because it's "more confusing", and therefore messier.
 
@DarkHorse I wont say nobody can read that because some loungers can but really... your audience will be extremely limited
 
1:45 AM
where do you put the : when you have a long list of things to init? :E
 
@Borgleader Not me, still need to get through the kana.
@melak47 I put it on a new line in front of the list.
 
@chris link?
 
@Jeffrey Youtube.
 
Rapptz, Xeo and Mysticial are I believe the only ones capable of reading htat
 
That's not hiragana or Katakana.
It's Chinese.
 
1:46 AM
@chris ... that's pretty vague. To say the least
 
That's straight chinese.
I don't know if it's Mandarin, though.
 
@chris what if the list is so long that you need to break it into multiple lines? it messes with the alignment! :(
 
@ThePhD Yeah, and first on my list are kana and kanji.
@melak47 I think I usually go:
Ctor(blah...)
    : blah{blah}, blah{blah}
      blah{blah} {}
 
big ()
: titties( 24 ), dick( 85 ), bowloficream( 22, 24, 1, 1 ),
shoes( 15 ) {

}
 
1:48 AM
Space space space space ~ ~ ~ ~
 
@chris Keep the : attached and you can just indent one more for the variables.
 
@Jeffrey Yeah, but what else can you expect from Youtube? Just seeing how those people obsessed with skipping to games are doing.
 
Thing(bla, bla, bla, bla, bla bla) :
    bla(bla),
    bla(bla),
    bla(bla)
{
    //how bout this? :3
}
 
@CatPlusPlus Fair enough, I haven't had a line length limit that I haven't imposed on myself, and a 1920px width to work with, so I usually don't mind.
 
@chris I meant that your direction to where this discussion is was pretty vague
 
1:50 AM
 
@chris Wtf.
 
@chris oh gawd
 
I told you.
I try to mitigate the damage from time to time.
 
> More confusing == messier code.
 
I see some loungers have already replied to that
 
1:52 AM
I haven't
 
> How is it more confusing? It's widely accepted that it is the superior method of initializing member variables. Idiomatic code is meant to be something that any person working with it should immediately be able to recognize.
who is this?
 
There's an extraneous "it".
 
Not me.
 
Ell
I'm gonna get ubuntu on my tablet
 
9 minutes ago though, so older than when it was linked here.
 
1:53 AM
Don't argue with crappy Youtubers doing shitty videos. :cripes:
 
@Rapptz probably christ then
oh my god
chris
 
@CatPlusPlus *Crappy commenters giving misinformation on said videos.
 
not christ
 
Also didn't we agree all YouTube lessons about C++ were fucking horrible?
 
Most YouTube videos are fucking horrible, and most C++ learning materials are fucking horrible.
YouTube C++ learning materials are beyond that.
 
1:54 AM
They are made by people from cplusplus.com
 
@Rapptz Exactly, which is why the people doing them need help.
 
@chris They just need to get their asses in here
 
Mythbusters fall 2013 season trailer :3
 
@chris Yeah I seriously feel bad for people who watch these.
 
1:55 AM
@chris Just ignore it.
You're not going to win.
 
Can we just make a script that posts a comment once every few months on every C++ video tutorial with a link to the C++ FAQ?
 
Well, you can make a retsupurae channel for C++ tutorials and endlessly mock them, but that has extremely limited audience.
 
@Rapptz They should not be doing programming at all. If you'll just watch video tutorials like those, and can't stand to read decent programming books, then they are not fit for doing any real programming.
 
I can't stand to read any programming books.
So boring.
 
@CatPlusPlus At least you're not watching any of those crappy videos.
 
2:02 AM
@MarkGarcia That won't stop them from landing a job somewhere you'll inevitably end up later, trying to fixing code that your boss thinks is 100% perfect.
Did FB just get a UI update?
It looks like everything is highlighted, and when I go to unhighlight it, it opens up a new menu >.>
 
Well, they do deploy on Tuesdays.
 
Ell
Hah dual booting my tablet, this should be fun
 
But I think it's US Tuesday afternoon or something like that.
 
And yes, I mean the search bar, sadly. I never used FB anyway until there was some group of the people in my university program.
 
@chris I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2:06 AM
It's so... white.
 
Search field was always white.
 
It definitely didn't look like that last time I looked.
 
You did get some UI update I didn't, but that was how it looked always vOv
 
@chris It has been like that for a month for me. I dunno why I was choosen to test the new facebook design before others. I don't like it :(
 
Man, Azure looks really cool.
 
2:12 AM
The cloud thing from microsoft?
 
Yeah.
 
Azure is actually pretty sweet.
But it needs moar werk.
 
night lads
 
@ThePhD Hm?
 
@CatPlusPlus Nothing. It'll work fine for all your purposes. :D
 
2:18 AM
TIL that Windows 8.1 revives the start button, but directs to the start screen. :(
 
I don't know if I can afford it for my purposes.
 
Oh. Well hell yeah, it's expensive as fuck.
Jesus christ building clang and llvm I hate it god why don't they have prebuilt windows binaries ugh jesus
 
Ell
Is anyone good at making infographics here?
 
Because they hate it too.
 
@Ell infographics? Tell more?
 
2:25 AM
Let's make Clounge, the C++ compiler that doesn't suck balls :P
 
Ell
@pawnguy you know those cool posters
 
@MarkGarcia Do you think Microsoft trolled everyone with that?
 
@Ell Not particularely, which is why I asked :D
 
Ahaha you want to work on C++ compiler do it yourself.
 
@TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheGirl Still marketing stuff.
 
2:28 AM
Hint: not fun.
 
Yeah I was kidding
 
s/C++ compiler/Wide compiler
 
I'd make a compiler for my own language way before I'd make a C++ compiler
 
@Ell Like this?
 
I'd make a compiler for my own language in BrainF**k before I'd make a C++ compiler.
According to a Google search of myself, myself hasn't shared anything with me on G+.
 
2:33 AM
Uggggh.
q_q
Flops.
Wtb entertainment while Clang fucks my entire computer up.
 
LOL I found a long lost Prezi of mine.
 
Ell
Anyway its 20 to 4 in the morning
Night
 
it's so hot today
 
Oh yeah? Well, You're so hot today.
How you like THEM apples?
 
If I'm implementing a factory that returns an instance of some parent class, is it better to return a unique_ptr, or return a raw pointer and let the caller take care of it?
 
2:44 AM
Who owns that instance?
And who's doing the new-ing?
 
It's a factory. The caller takes ownership.
 
unique_ptr would be better.
 
@Mysticial Unique_ptr
 
Lemme link to that article...
 
T* create () {
    // how was it new'd in the first place?
}

std::unique_ptr<T, factory_new<T>> create () {
    // Ah, so clear now
}
@Mysticial ^ you decide. :D
 
2:46 AM
If shit happens before the caller takes ownership you just leaked memory
 
fair enough
 
I mean, what if you created T with malloc ?
 
How does the caller know to use free instead of delete ?
 
I asked mainly because it might look more consistent with new to let the caller wrap the pointer.
You're probably wondering what I'm doing.
 
2:47 AM
Nah.
Don't tell me. :D
 
I'm basically reimplementing part of the digit viewer. There are two possible formats: Plain text (.txt), and compressed (.ycd).
 
@Mysticial Good thing with unique_ptr, as what @ThePhD has pointed out, is that the deleter is on the pointer itself, thus you can have more bizarre allocation and deallocation mechanisms without worrying that the caller might not do the proper deallocation.
 
There's an abstract superclass reader. And two child classes that handle each type.
So I'm thinking about making a factory that will just take the filepath, decide what type it is, create the appropriate type, and return a pointer of the type of the superclass.
 
is that for ycruncher?
 
It's not really part of y-cruncher anymore. But it did come from it.
It's the digit viewer that I'm gonna open source once it's cleaned up.
 
2:53 AM
Oh I see
 
People were having problems reading my compressed file format.
The current digit viewer requires user interaction. And the released source code is slow and doesn't work on the new format.
 
VTC please.
 
i did so the second it showed up
 
@melak47 The robocopy task -- how did you do it in MSBuild again?
 
dafuq is robocopy?
 
2:59 AM
Robust Copy.
Win Vista and above tool.
Replaces xcopy and is about 1000000% better and more robust.
 
lol
 
It was basically made for server-grade copying, but handles smaller tasks extremely well as well.
 
ive heard of terracopy or something along those lines but not that
 
Who wants to bet the guy who named that was a Robocop fan?
 
3:03 AM
I'll bet that he isn't. :P
 
I forgot.
Snce it's like 4 AM here, melak is actually sleeping
 
lol
 
and not awake. Since he livs in Germany and I'm close to Germany this is actually stupid-early for him and a lot of other loungers.
But it's only like 10 PM in the US. =[
 
only 11 PM here.
 
3:08 AM
11 here too
 
~Sigh~
UTC sucks as a timezone.
Also, Breakfast in 2 hours and 20 minutes. Maybe I can sleep for that long while LLVM thrashes my computer some more with its compilation.
It's compiling surprisingly well in VS 2013 so far. 200+ projects have gone through with 0 errors, but some warnings.
Hahaha holy shit
It's running 8454 tests
What the bloody shit. ;~;
@melak47 So, I think a good thing conceptually would be to move the ID2D device and related things into the GraphicsDevice -- that way it can be available to multiple components.
The IDWrite factory and other factories can probably be temporaries on the GraphicsDevice as well. They can all be created and used there -- it'll save us some serious duplication time when those components need to be used for other things.
Still.... looking how it's set up, I think something like a TextDevice might be an even better fit instead
It'll take a GraphicsDevice and be tied to a graphics device -- which will still contain the ID2D device -- but the TextDevice will hold all the DirectWrite specific things
Man, this abstraction is gonna be hard. =/
 
3:35 AM
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Q: Creating a .dat file in C++

GustavoHi everyone well I have to create a file that is .dat with should be named whatever the user puts in and this file contains the persons name (doesn't matter if the full name is together), date and his/her weight. Now the problem is that the file "name".dat is created but inside the file it shou...

Ewww mixing cout and scanf, that cant be good right?
 
WOO
CLANG FINISHED BUILDING!
 
gratz lol
 
.... But only for Debug Win32
Release Win32, Debug x64, and Release x64 to go. ._.
 
@ThePhD Don't suppose you'd mind linking a copy of the result :p
 
What do you mean?
You want me to send you the final binaries?
 
3:40 AM
@ThePhD I've been meaning to get Clang, though they're probably floating around out there anyway.
 
Well, this is clang 3.4 built on VS 2013's (v. 12, VC++ v 18.something.something).
So unless you're using VS 2013 Preview, I doubt it'll play nice for you.
 
@ThePhD I am, I just don't particularly like the long building time.
 
Well, how about you build x64 Release and Debug
and I build x86 Release and Debug
and we share.
PARALLELISM.
 
@ThePhD I'll take a stab at it. I'll probably mess something up tbh.
lol
 
Why is that flagged?
 
3:45 AM
Nah, you don't have to.
I'll just end up building all 4 anyways.
Proably be done by breakfast.
 
just for joke
 
You flagged it as a joke?
 
Don't ever flag as things as jokes.
 
I don't know what means of that
 
@DarkHorse Don't click the flag next to the star button.
 
3:46 AM
ok
 
> Do you want to flag this message as spam, inappropriate, or offensive?
 
@ThePhD Well, I might as well now. I've never had to do anything like this and I'd better get used to it.
 
just for a test, can i cancel?
 
No you can't. But I already cast the first of invalidation votes needed to cancel the flag.
 
3:48 AM
Flag's been cleared.
 
Too bad there's no shortcut for sandbox.
 
A message from me is flaged by five star, why?
9
 
it's starred, not flagged by stars
 
That's not a flag. It's a starboard.
Starboard show starred messages -- things that people find interesting, funny, embarassing, or humiliating.
Any person can cast 1 star to a message.
Each star a person casts adds 1 to its star rating. Things with stars end up on the Starboard.
( The thing on the right of your screen. )
 
Oops, I checked out LLVM to system32. I knew I'd screw something up.
 
3:53 AM
ok, my message is proved to be funny just because nobody can understand it. uhh
 
Someone star the last one so it has 5 stars.
Then it looks funnier.
 
done
 
0
Q: Is C or C++ creates functions for a machine i invented ?

ArsanGamali invented a machine and i want to program functions on it like moving, flying talking ..etc, what programming language is for doing functions and treating well with this machine is it C or C++ or what ??

 
lol
 
I love you
 
3:57 AM
Why do I have a permanent blue flag circle now that always says no flags when I click it?
 
it's a bug
 
Never mind, a refresh works.
 
Can i flag it again?
 
@chris Well, that was fast.
 

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