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10:00 PM
Well I was suspecting that that is the problem
 
Ell
See. Warnings aren't useless
It makes you suspect problems!
 
@Ell no, actually debugger made me do that
 
@BartekBanachewicz msvc's warning is like "we're constructing objects in the order in the class not your list by the way" which is nice and explicit
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz why are you ignoring your warnings.
 
@MooingDuck gcc has it
 
10:02 PM
@Ell Because I am refactoring the code and there's shitload of them
also I have a good debugger :P
 
Ell
Still, they are there to help :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz refactoring
3
 
@MooingDuck the one with cat in the bath?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
Ell
where is @rightfold where you need him. I'm using a fuse thing written in go! It's le cool
 
10:04 PM
I told you.... :
Don't type the space. — Niels Bom Jul 31 '12 at 8:15
 
That's why "refactoring" in case of my tiny pet projects always means "rewriting".
 
@Griwes that's not a tiny project :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah.
That's why I am afraid of getting my projects beyond "tiny".
 
heh
Having scons helps.
 
10:06 PM
That's also probably why I am aiming at microkernel with my OS and shit.
 
Ell
You're writing an OS?
 
@Ell slowpoke Ell
hm I should enable debug output
 
Ell
@Griwes howcome you're writing an OS?
 
hmm
the OS X window manager crashed – I think
I managed to get a snapshot (sample) of the running but hanging window manager (it sporadically unfreezes for ~ 0.5 sec before freezing again for a minute) …
is there any way I can draw some information out of the snapshot?
this isn’t the first time this has happened and I’d like to know if I can prevent it
 
@Ell he decided he wants to write an OS and then wrote it
 
Ell
10:14 PM
what made him choose an os?
 
The little voice in his head.
 
[Error from API,	Highpriority]
Message: GL_INVALID_OPERATION error generated. <program> object is not successfully linked, or is not a program object.
hm.
time to give CodeXL a go
 
Hm maybe I'm overestimating what my usage of Azure would be. Maybe I can actually afford this cool shit.
 
@CatPlusPlus You think Azure is cool?
 
10:17 PM
Welllllll.
 
Ell
Ubuntu touch is installing!
 
I'm gonna have to mark my calendar.
 
@Ell have you done the Ubuntu Edge Kickstarter?
 
Ell
@EiyrioüvonKauyf No, I can't afford :L
they are asking for an awful lot
1 million a day.
that's insane in the membrane!
 
fuck random segfaults
 
10:20 PM
@Ell So far theyre making exactly that
 
Ell
@Borgleader pretty impressive really
but it does look like a kickass phone
4gb of ram on a phone, gawd
 
It was a 2 577 000$ yesterday when I forget who linked it, and now is 3 649 000$
128GB of memory :3
 
holy shit o_o :'c
 
Dual boot Ubuntu mobile OS and Android
Fully integrated Ubuntu desktop PC when docked
Fastest multi-core CPU, 4GB RAM, 128GB storage
4.5in 1,280 x 720 HD sapphire crystal display
 
@EtiennedeMartel You don't? If you have something cooler then showme
 
10:22 PM
@Ell my phone has 2GB
 
@CatPlusPlus You're talking about Windows Azure?
 
@Borgleader if you want to use it as a desktop, that's a reasonable minimum
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which is impressive when you're talking about a phone
 
@Borgleader dunno, my friend simply put 128GB SD card in his Galaxy S2 :P
I don't consider it very impressive.
 
10:24 PM
My current smartphone is on the "low-end" I have a Nexus One
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah he added it, how much did it have when he bought it?
Were talking about a 600$ phone.
 
@Borgleader 16 IIRC
 
@CatPlusPlus I honestly have no opinion on that. The only feedback I ever got about Azure was from a friend I know who works at Microsoft and has quite the fanboy syndrome. Needless to say, he said it was pretty cool.
 
@Borgleader that's quite a lot
 
I've seen higher
 
I've seen lower
so what.
 
10:25 PM
Unsubsidized phones are quite expensive
 
google nexus isn't
 
it's subsidized by google
 
and they are releasing Nexus 5 soon.
@EiyrioüvonKauyf ... by your logic, every phone on android is
 
Google nexus phones are good but never top of the line in terms of specs AFAIK
which explains why theyre cheaper
 
"top line", pfff.
 
10:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Used to be much more expensive, that's for sure.
 
@Borgleader and Google releases them at a lower cost
 
Wasn't the Nexus One more than 500$?
 
idk I got mine with videotron so it was subsidized
 
TBH I don't think this whole ubuntu edge makes sense, as long as they don't use x86 Intel CPU @Ell @Borgleader
@EiyrioüvonKauyf whatever.
ARM chips are kinda slow, really.
they look impressive on paper.
 
10:27 PM
Of course you would say that :P
 
no, real benchmarks show that.
 
They're also require massively less power.
 
there's no ARM comparable with Atom WRT processing power.
 
Which is more important in mobile than ~~performance~~.
 
@CatPlusPlus not on full load, on full load Atoms are comparable or even lower
 
10:28 PM
Of course you believe mobile gaming is a thing, so
 
@CatPlusPlus this is a phone that has to serve as a desktop. Dualbooting ubuntu and Android
 
Really?
 
yes, really.
 
@CatPlusPlus My income says so.
 
Didn't they get the Surface memo?
 
10:29 PM
Canonical supplies a dock for screens and usb stuff
@CatPlusPlus what?
 
@CatPlusPlus The fact that the Surface failed in no way indicates that mobile gaming isnt a thing
now youre just trolling
 
Ell
guise
 
That mobile crap that tries to be desktop is going to fail~
@Borgleader What
 
@CatPlusPlus you suck so much
 
Ell
10:30 PM
im on ubuntu touch
 
you suck so much it's not even funny.
 
@CatPlusPlus mobile gaming in Japan is giant fyi
 
Mobile gaming quip was in no way related to that, so I have no idea what you're talking about
 
most japanese access internet/many things via their phone
 
@CatPlusPlus you're more prejudiced to mobile than I am to Dx, and that's a BIG THING
 
10:30 PM
:laffo:
 
we were talking about desktop-capable mobile phone, FYI
 
Yeah, very useful, yes.
Surface was desktop-capable mobile tablet.
 
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Of course you believe mobile gaming is a thing, so
^ this is what i was referring to
 
@CatPlusPlus I wouldn't expect you to understand
 
I don't know why ignorant people irritate me so
 
10:31 PM
:laffo:
 
So why don't you just fuck off?
 
Please explain.
 
@MooingDuck Referring to?
 
Ell
imho surface sounds awesome
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf It's a massive thing everywhere in the world.
 
Ell
10:32 PM
x86 programmes anywhere, who wouldn't want that? :3
 
@CatPlusPlus You're prejudiced towards mobile and you are simply unable to listen to reasonable arguments WRT it
 
@Borgleader stackoverflow.com/questions/17821883/… "So I expect the file when opened with a text editor to roughly reproduce this ASCII chart..... 10 is ASCII for 'A'"
 
@Ell x86 phones are real too
 
I'm listening, you're just not finding any.
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol same thing ~ same point
 
10:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus you don't consider any of them reasonable, and that's a different thing, because as you can see majority of people here agrees with me
 
I honestly don't remember any from you.
 
you also disregard any statistical data.
@CatPlusPlus Considering you don't even listen to what I am saying, that's not a surprise.
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
So why don't you just fuck off?
 
@MooingDuck Oh yeah... that
 
Yadda yadda yadda and still no arguments.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You don't seem to show any such data.
 
10:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel mobile market sales are hardly secret
 
@BartekBanachewicz Burden of proof: you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why don't you show data, then, instead of asking us to go look for it?
 
Put the data in context. What sort of games are those.
 
wait, wait.
 
Your approach to debating is: "go make my arguments for me".
 
10:35 PM
Because hey that was a quip about mobile games being shit mostly. I know endless Angry Birds clones sell.
 
why are you assuming I want to get dragged into the discussion about mobile gaming again?
because I don't.
 
It's not ~~true gaming~~
 
@Ell @Borgleader and me were talking about Ubuntu phones.
 
2/3 dollars spent is on tablets and smartphones was on games
 
10:36 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Dude, I work for a mobile game developer.
 
@EtiennedeMartel you wanted stats yo; and i guessed that from your previous response unfortunately I was giving Bartek his data
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, right, PC gaming master race.
 
Fuck mobile development anyway. I hope all of those platforms die and I won't have to touch them ever again.
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's precisely why I don't want to discuss that
@CatPlusPlus again, thankfully that's just your hope
 
@CatPlusPlus You can go suck a harpoon for all I care.
 
10:37 PM
No, you don't want to discuss that, because you can't be bothered to [citation needed]
 
Stop saying things for me.
 
@CatPlusPlus To be fair, both of you are currently fanboying.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh you remind me... I got an email from Ebgames... Watchdogs Limited edition is up for sale... but i dont know which console I'm gonna buy first T_T first world problems
 
I don't want to discuss with you BECAUSE YOU ARE A DICK when it comes to mobile discussions
damn, what the fuck is hard to get here.
 
@Borgleader PC.
 
10:38 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Well, I haven't seen a mobile game that wasn't something for 5 minutes tops vOv
 
should I spell it in Polish for you?
 
@BartekBanachewicz :laffo:
I know you can't stand when I offend your precious tools.
But seriously.
 
Ell
Man. I'm impressed by ubuntu touch. Must develop game in advance so I can become millionaire!
 
@CatPlusPlus Plenty of interesting games on mobile. Although I'm fairly certain they're simply not your kind of games.
 
10:38 PM
I don't develop on mobile FYI.
 
@Ell Develop for OUYA KING OF CONSOLES
 
@EtiennedeMartel Super Hexagon~
 
Alright, who flagged?
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I was going to develop for that too xD
But every time, I realise I can't make games. Or programme.
 
Whoever flagged that, please get the fuck out tia
 
10:39 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Are you gonna buy the game? (in general not the limited)
 
but Super Hexagon is not "~~true gaming~~" and it's "5 minutes tops"
 
@Borgleader Probably.
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I really don't know what happened.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which kinda proves my point...?
 
@CatPlusPlus you're pathetic.
 
@CatPlusPlus Your definition of "gaming" is flawed.
 
10:40 PM
:lol:
 
@BartekBanachewicz you seem stressed and should stop talking to cats
5
 
mmm for some reason a test is failing on travis but passing on my machine
 
@MooingDuck I should, but he won't understand that.
 
But seriously mobile development is a cesspit of misery.
 
@BartekBanachewicz who cares what he understands? He's just a cat
 
10:41 PM
@A.H. might be many reasons for that
 
@CatPlusPlus How come?
 
@A.H. maybe you built something from source
 
@MooingDuck I don't want to plonk him again
that's not a proper way of solving things
 
@BartekBanachewicz you aren't "solving things" at the moment. Cool off first.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Fine, w/e. I'll still laugh at "mobile gaming" forever, because it's pretty much same shit as "Facebook gaming" right now
 
10:42 PM
eh, I'll grab a bear.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf no I don't have any dependencies
 
@BartekBanachewicz: just so you know, D2DControlBase, D2DPanel (just a group over other controls), D2DLabel (text control) and D2DButton now work, all with a set of common properties.
 
@A.H. .___. built clang from source?
 
@CatPlusPlus why don't you get on Skype so we can discuss this once and forever?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ugh. Android. Everything about Android.
 
10:42 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf using gcc
 
andddd i'm out adios :3
@A.H. different versions of gcc?
 
ceya
 
@CatPlusPlus You're doing the exact same thing as Bartek when he's babbling about D3D being shit.
 
yeah
 
@EtiennedeMartel which, FTR, stopped today, a couple of hours ago
 
10:43 PM
Want me to list bad things about Android?
 
@CatPlusPlus No, I want you to tell me why all mobile games are shit.
 
Android is not the only mobile OS FYI
 
Thankfully I don't have to deal with iOS lately.
 
can I persuade someone to build and test my library ? :P
 
Emulators are funny enough vOv
@A.H. sure. linky.
 
10:44 PM
Because seriously it looks like a case of hating something before you've even experienced it.
 
Ell
tbf I think android design is very bad :3
 
@EtiennedeMartel Bad first impressions maybe
 
or maybe simply focusing on negatives only.
I mean android sucks and everyone knows that
 
@BartekBanachewicz github.com/ah450/mizaru Thanks !
 
Ell
On user end it's great
 
10:45 PM
but there's gotta be some funky things you can do
 
I'm not a mobile user, I'm a mobile developer. Colour me bitter.
 
Ell
to dev for, I find it irritating
 
@BartekBanachewicz default target and ./Debug
 
Android's user experience is thousand times better than developer experience.
 
@CatPlusPlus Still looks like generalizing to me.
 
10:46 PM
I've been suspended for an hour for posting on the Javascript room.
 
@A.H. urgh is that a makefile?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sure it is.
 
ohhhh man, my fucking gallstones
 
what am I supposed to do with a makefile
 
I totally deserved that. I promised to myself I wouldn't have ever gone there again and I did.
 
10:46 PM
@Jeffrey if you failed to understand why you were suspended, it's highly likely you'll be suspended a second time shrotly
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'mma hold you to that.
 
That said, 90% of anything is shit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you don't have make?
 
Doesn't mean there's anything inherently wrong with mobile gaming.
 
@A.H. I prolly have it somewhere, sec
 
10:47 PM
I mean, there's also plenty of crap in PC titles.
 
Oh, I also absolutely detest touch screens.
 
@MooingDuck Oh I understand why: I said pus-y.
I'll probably never go there again anyway.
 
@Jeffrey good
 
@A.H. error: 'native_socket_t' does not name a type. I am on Windows BTW. Any dependencies?
 
@Jeffrey better
 
10:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh its guarded by __ linux __
 
@A.H. ... you mean it's not portable?
 
not yet
 
eh.
lemme fire up the vm then
 
its supposed to be a cross platform socket lib
 
Irish I were drunk (and not developing for mobile)
 
10:49 PM
@A.H. there's POCO and Asio and whatnot
@CatPlusPlus because lack of feedback?
 
I know its just something I wanted to do for a long time, but now that I am debugging I am rethinking that :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz Mostly.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, it's fucking bad-ish. But I am finally going to get a proper bluetooth game controller, so that's not as important for gaming.
@A.H. 4 test cases - 2 failed (5 assertions - 2 failed)
dunno if that's the result you expected
 
I was expecting one failed (poll)
 
that's Xubuntu 13.04 BTW
 
10:53 PM
I am guessing read TCP READ/WRITE failed too ?
 
test_read_write, yeah
 
300 games :cripes:
 
"test_read_write validating read value " is printed? thats the same as travis
 
mhm
FFS segfault
I have no idea what's causing it now
happens randomly.
 
hmm, I have 54 posts in teh C tag. I should go through those and remove the C tag from the C++ questions...
 
10:56 PM
ok, when I don't draw anything it works
 
@BartekBanachewicz gdb to the rescue ?
 
I suspect the problem is in drawing
@A.H. meh, gdb only spits out "SIGSEGV". VS debugger is much better
 
It breaks on SIGSEGV.
 
doesn't gdb say where too ?
 
10:58 PM
hm, something is there indeed
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00453fee in Model::rebuildData (this=0x28f998) at src/Model.h:106
#1  0x0045431c in Model::Model (this=0x28f998, path=..., program=...) at src/Model.h:122
#2  0x00443bf5 in App::App (this=0x28f8dc) at src\main_sfml.cpp:85
#3  0x004062fc in WinMain@16 (hInstance=0x400000, hPrevInstance=hPrevInstance@entry=0x0, lpCmdLine=0x815a66 "",
    iCmdShow=10) at src\main_sfml.cpp:273
#4  0x00474eed in main (flags=1, cmdline=0xcd1d58, inst=0xcd1ff0)
 

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