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1:00 PM
@JABFreeware Yup. And unlike computer language, there isn't any official spec that can be applied to them.
 
humans.... sigh
 
And this is just semantics, meaning when dealing with the explicit truth-value of a statement. Next, you get into pragmatics, the field that deals with implications and intent that conveys extra-linguistic information.
 
@Asheh What is?
 
@TomW oops, yes that was the solution, found it in another Question on SO already
 
1:01 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan universal language might be good?
 
Linguists.
 
@JABFreeware Any attempts to create a neutral, universal language (Esperanto, Lojban) have failed.
Mostly because we need and use these ambiguities.
 
where girls == boys you mean?
"Could not load file or assembly" augh I hate that
 
I have some issues with windows api, is there any universal way to deal with it?
 
what issue
kind of an important detail
 
1:06 PM
I'm using progress bar and overlay icon
 
user47589
universal way? lol
 
everything works perfectly
but when I hide my app
using notify icon
@Amy something like a norm because win api is full of traps
and I found couple
 
good luck with that
 
good luck with waht?
what*
 
that
 
1:08 PM
well , I didn't get you joke
 
its okay...
 
user47589
so what is the issue
 
anyway , after making my app visible the overlay icon and progress don't work anymore
 
@BadroNiaimi so you hide it and then next time its visible it has issues?
 
nop
the app works fine , but everything related to win api refuse to start
 
1:13 PM
What is this "win api" you're talking about, precisely?
 
user47589
you haven't provided us with enough specific information
 
user47589
I assumed Win32, @Squiggle
 
WindowsAPICodePack
 
perhaps some code too?
 
I use it to manage the overlay icon and the progress in the task bar
 
1:15 PM
How is it going guys
 
We should add a command to Caprica to get a SSCCE and environment details to avoid these painful interrogations that suck up so much time.
 
!!sscce
 
@Sippy Please provide a short, self contained, compilable example: sscce.org
 
user47589
!!mvce
 
@Amy That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
1:16 PM
@BadroNiaimi WindowsAPICodePack? A quick look says that stuff was deprecated 3-4 years ago. What exactly are you consuming from that pack? and what exactly is not working?
 
overlay icon and progress state
 
ah OK. And what OS are you using?
 
@RoelvanUden 21 seconds! I dont think thats bad, yet
id ofcourse like it to be 5 seconds
lol
or 0
 
I'd suggest using the current official binaries from MS, wherever they are. The WindowsAPICodePack isn't supported and the documentation is probably out of date.
 
windows 7
 
1:19 PM
@Squiggle Seems only a few months since the last commit, actually. github.com/aybe/Windows-API-Code-Pack-1.1
But yeah, you're not necessarily seeing a problem with WinAPI, but with a specific, unsupported wrapper library of dubious quality.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan indeed, but who is github.com/aybe?
 
No, let's say "unknown quality". I don't mean to be negative.
 
user47589
from what i've read, the Windows API Code Pack was originally released by MS, but they pulled it, and they were subsequently released by users
 
I install it using the nuget console
 
this is kind of stupid but I really am not sure about this: If I've a Lambda statement that uses a variable that was defined outside of it's scope, but inside the method that defined the Lambda statement, will the Lambda statement see the 'correct' value in a multithreading environment?
 
1:20 PM
MS totally stopped producing commerical kinect , the SDK and the tutorials and altogether
they thought its not having a market. the tech was wrong. what took them so long.
 
@SteffenWinkler Yes, that's one of the main strengths of anonymous methods - they capture the context of the method where they're defined.
 
Kinect was not wrong.
 
I'm using Microsoft.WindowsAPICodePack-Core.1.1.0.2
 
kinect was bad
 
@codebrain they should have left it on the xbox version of them would have brought more to the table
 
1:22 PM
they thought so
 
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Q: Detailed Explanation of Variable Capture in Closures

DuckMaestroI've seen countless posts on how variable capture pulls in variables for the creation of the closure, however they all seem to stop short of specific details and call the whole thing "compiler magic". I'm looking for a clear-cut explanation of: How local variables are actually captured. The d...

 
if you ask me, kinect was a good device. but their applications are very limited.
 
Microsoft are still developing Kinekt. They just put the sensors into the HoloLens instead of above the TV.
 
yeah
 
@BadroNiaimi Are you using the 24bit version or the 48bit version?
 
1:26 PM
how am I supposed to know that?
 
@Squiggle i lost it
 
user47589
appropriate gif
 
I can't breathe
 
rofl
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan scratches head hm, ok. But I know that in the past I had to make sure to pass all needed objects and variables into the anonymous method.
 
1:28 PM
crying over here
 
@Squiggle tztztztz, not even a context was given. Shame on you @Squiggle
 
user47589
1 message moved to Orphan GIFs
 
user47589
sorry, was getting distracting.
 
well I didn't get this as well
 
1:30 PM
@Amy Now its lonely :(
 
:-]
 
user47589
go give it some company
 
@Amy it doesn't talk to me :(
 
we come here to no be lonely
 
user47589
then how do you know its lonely?
 
user47589
1:31 PM
it gets to play with all the other gifs
 
@Amy telepathy?
 
user47589
its with its own kind.
 
its neighbor is from JavaScript...good point
I'm watching this guy install MySql. Its funny how long its taking him. Hes changed the root password like 5 times in 30 minutes...still not setup.
 
@JABFreeware Tell him he needs Adobe Reader
 
haha
 
user47589
1:35 PM
if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try...
 
hes supposed to have like...more experience than me
 
Experience doesn't count for shit if you choose never to learn anything.
 
so I am painfully seeing
is there such a thing as second-hand feeling stupid?
 
@Sippy what are talking about exactly if you mean windows version then you mean (32 or 64 bits) if you are talking about win api there is no such thing :p
 
@BadroNiaimi Did you google it?
 
1:37 PM
google what?
 
@Amy if at first you don't succeed, rant at the pc, ask on SO, get all confused, complain about the technology, then realise the typo you put in the code and feel like a twat for the day
 
Sippy you need to be more specific
 
@wadry A day in the life of wadry?
 
yeh pretty much ... lol
 
I know the feeling
 
1:38 PM
Although I do have a nack for finding the bugs in other peoples frameworks
like the list of unity issues regarding compute shaders
oh and OData's lack of support for a simple date
frustrating
but not the end of the world
 
I once spent 3 HOURS debugging code because it was doing weird things... I had a second instance of my program running in the tray. That was very depressing. I had litterally torn my code apart.
 
aww that sucks
 
At least you familiarised yourself more with your code
 
lol yeh I know my code inside and out now lol
 
Something very similar happened to me the other day actually lol
 
1:40 PM
haha true. And I learned to be a bit more logical in troubleshooting. I should have noticed.
 
was fun spending weeks messing about with auth
 
@Sippy oh?
 
Was trying to debug a web service whilst someone else was hitting it
Couldn't figure why it was hitting like 5 different breakpoints at once
 
haha I've done that haha. Its annoying
 
@Amy im just looking at all the places I inject my IoC container in to things atm ... so bad
 
user47589
1:41 PM
shouldn't inject the container anywhere
 
what do use as an alternative to session state?
@Amy yeh that's my point
some really bad code in this stack I need to fix
 
user47589
i'm disappointed in you @wadry.
 
im sowwy pony
I shall fix my poor design very soon
 
@Sippy bad teamwork can make things like that happen too. I had an app that connected to a database. I wasn't told someone was making experimental changes in that database...
 
Lol
 
1:43 PM
I was mad at him for fucking things up, and he was mad at me because I was interfering just as badly. It was...an interesting conversation.
 
Lol
 
@Sippy lol, much fun eh?
 
@scheien yes.
The reason it was going so haywire is because guy #2 was load testing against it haha
Had no idea.
 
lol
 
You were remote debugging?
 
1:46 PM
that will do it...
 
The contractor likes to connect to my development machine to do his load testing configs.
vOv
We have a server for it
 
Code in production, test in production, debug in production.
 
Don't expose your shit to others @Sippy. Use dedicated servers for that load testing / dev testing shit
 
@scheien Can't do anything about it lol
 
or use a VM for it
 
1:47 PM
I don't manage my firewall and my PC is open to local network :D
 
make him happy without exposing yourself
 
Sure you can, block the port in the firewall
haha
 
Managed firewall ^_^
 
Tell him to stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
1:48 PM
Some semantec shit or something
It doesn't usually affect me lol
Was just that time
 
STAHP it
 
until next time yes
 
@Sippy you are saying you dont have admi access to your own computer?
admin
 
I'd ask for local admin
and hack it if I didnt get it
 
@scheien only if you know how to remove the logs
 
1:50 PM
I have local admin
 
I wouldnt care
 
only takes missing one
 
We use symantec cloud
 
and I would never allow anyone to use dev shit on my workstation without asking first.
 
It was the only thing they requested I do with my work desktop
Was install a cloud firewall
 
1:50 PM
cloud firewall lol
 
@JABFreeware is he using Gentoo?
 
@SteffenWinkler ubuntu lol
 
@JABFreeware ouch
 
I would get it if its Gentoo
because of the compiling
AUGH I am sick of this customers "server" SINGLE 2ghz core. Always running at 30%. So I dont even have that much.
sql server doesnt seem to like it
 
> If it moves, compile it.
 
1:53 PM
I wonder if someone sells caffeinated water
 
@JABFreeware Raspberry isn't really server hardware
 
@SteffenWinkler lol I wonder if it would be faster than this. Its virtualbox though
Even though I told them MINIMUM I need 2 cores. I guess thats just "ideal"
 
@JABFreeware nah they understood that you needed 2GHz
 
> What does purified water with natural caffeine taste like? Like nothing. Which is exactly the way water should taste. The healthy hydration you need with the caffeine lift you want! Avitae Caffeinated Water provides a new and better alternative to sugary beverages, soft drinks, energy drinks, and bottled water. Avitae contains 0 calories, sugars, or artificial ingredients.
 
@SteffenWinkler probably... I much prefer a different server... 32 cores 128gb memory lol
I can really work on that
 
1:54 PM
@Sippy are you fucking kidding me? Caffeein without sugar...what has the world come to?
 
I'm guessing this host HDD is a 5.4k RPM too.
 
good, purified water without any energy you need daily but contains clear chemical that can kill your brain slowly
 
@JABFreeware are you ok today? Lol
 
@Sippy I feel like they invented time travel in 2004 somewhere...
 
@SteffenWinkler did they
can i go to the future to see if they resurrected the dinosaurs
 
1:56 PM
@Sippy No lol. I HATE working with ancient equipment. What I hate even more is working with modern software running on ancient equipment.
 
@JABFreeware still better than ancient software running on new equipment
 
@JABFreeware tell your self its the best better then all the rest - it is alive to work another day
 
@juanvan I'll try that lol
 
@juanvan it is alive to work another day ah, found the optimist.
 
I'm just sadly glad it has no AV
 
1:58 PM
@JABFreeware isn't that what ppl call IoT?
 
@JABFreeware should install Kaspersky on there. And ZoneAlarm.
 
If it did I think it would take a minute to process a single click
 
somewhere someones' bank account has another 0 because that hardware is still working
 
@SteffenWinkler ptff that would cripple it lol
 
@Sippy I relised that the only fluids I consume (unless I have beer) are all caffeinated
 
1:58 PM
@JABFreeware that's the entire point
 
haha
I like it
but then I would be called to fix it lol
 
user47589
there are no time travelers because mecha-hitler hunted them down.
 
also there is no way in hell anyone is going to uninstall both things without destroying the machine
 
@SteffenWinkler wouldnt macfee cripple it more?
 
same same
 
1:59 PM
Hi all, I've got the following question: Does the Word Object Model automaticly add the extension if you programmatically call the method document.SaveAs?
 
hehe
 
trying to rename one variable in this code, why is re# not refactoring the rest of them..
 
user47589
@FadeD i doubt it, but why don't you try it and find out?
 
@SteffenWinkler a friend had Mcfee, Security essentials, windows defender, norton installed...all on the same machine. They couldnt figure out why it was so slow
 

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