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1:00 PM
Q: Will VS2012 Express Web install tons of useless services on my machine?
like VS2010 did (e.g. sqlexpress, which I am never going to use)
 
I couldn't say, I've only installed the desktop version
which did nothing of the sort
 
fgsfds there's already one there!
SQLWriter, it does install. Which I do not, have never, and will never want.
 
I seem to recall that something or other in the latest .NET Fx requires SQL Server LocalDb
 
2012 web uses the web platform installer, which talks about loads and loads of stuff that doesn't look like it's of any use to me
 
It does? Hmm. Never noticed that it uses Web PI
In general, I've noticed that it's best to just let it download the Entire Internet.
 
1:07 PM
it doesn't give you a lot of choice
 
Otherwise, you're going to miss out on something completely useless, but then something crucial will depend on it anyway.
 
crapware or GTFO
 
This is what my friends do for a living: facebook.com/…
envy mode engaged
 
I don't even mind the services, because they don't really have much effect on my system's performance.
What I do mind though is the way a single VS install craps all over the Uninstall Programs thingy
 
@ActionHank Twin turbo V6?
 
1:08 PM
@Sean yes, compound turbo setup
it's a 3000GT/GTO Mitsubishi engine
 
@ActionHank Mmmmm... That's nice.
 
@Sean the owner asked for more power. He couldn't get past 300 in his former setup :P
also, 200-300 acceleration 'sucked'
(these are kms, of course)
 
yayy.....i got my pay check ( ゚◡゚)/
 
@SamyS.Rathore TO THE SPENDMOBILE!
 
i can haz real food now (ಥ_ಥ)
 
1:11 PM
R'amen1
!
 
@ActionHank Hahahaha.... He wasn't pleased with going over 100MPH and getting to 200 was too slow. Good man! xD
 
if i save enough, i can buy a samsung note2 by next month
:/ NO FOOD FOR ME
 
@Sean yes. When he just got his first setup (just slightly bigger turbos, and ECU) he complained about 'not able to sustain 300km/h+ for more than 10 minutes' because the coolant temperature would rise too much. Figures.
 
anyone help me show notification in windows form application using LAN
 
@SamyS.Rathore I'm currently debating whether or not to buy myself the £350 Lego model on my credit card..... Decisions decisions....
 
1:14 PM
Who drives 300km/h+ for more than 10 minutes at a time!
 
@ActionHank Someone with a death wish, clearly xD
 
@Sean that must be one hell of a lego
 
go for it
 
@ActionHank well, if that clown has the money to pay for it, you'd be rude not to take it off him
 
@SamyS.Rathore Yeah but I've to move after Christmas and I dunno exactly how much I'll need for it....
 
1:15 PM
@TomW these are the clients my friends are aiming for. I prefer to call them 'ballers'.
 
I could just not eat in January though.... That would solve the money conundrum
 
You can make a lego house for yourself
with lego furniture
 
@Sean if I didn't drink so much beer I'd be a captain of industry by now
 
Oh God Star Wars.
 
1:17 PM
@TomW If I..... Didn't...... Uhm... No I just suck at not spending more money than I actually need to =P
@ActionHank Silence. IT'S EPIC.
 
(❂‿❂)
i'm mesmerized
you just made a huge hole in my smartphone plans
 
If you buy the last one I swear I will hunt you down and chop every appendage off.
I'm going to the trafford centre tomorrow, if they have it in there I'm going to find it hard not to buy it...
Hahahahaha: facebook.com/…
 
calls in a bomb threat tomorrow
 
I received the most amazing code drop yesterday.
It's from a potential customer
 
@ActionHank Listen you. Don't you dare. I have to buy christmas presents for the small ones
 
1:21 PM
I've never seen so many lines of code implementing so few functioning features.
 
Think of the children!!!
 
you should have marked that NSFW
@Sean
 
It's got ASP.NET, WinForms, COM interop, a Windows Service...
A 15kLOC code file that is named "business logic"
 
@SamyS.Rathore Oh, sorry....
 
my senior was standing near by
neways....:me gusta:
 
1:22 PM
Methods that operate simultaneously with ArrayLists, DataSets and Linq to SQL queries
:)
 
Hahahaha
 
:D
 
@Rytmis Oh wow... You would have thought they would at least split it out into different files or DLLs
 
i can't believe there's a fb page named Boobs
 
1:24 PM
The Windows Service is a particular gem. It sends emails. Instead of a busy-wait poll loop it uses System.Threading.Timer. Which means it has subtle race conditions built in too.
 
how can i not like it
 
probably written by someone age 40 or higher...they tend to do that looks at his boss
 
but how can i like it
:D
decisions decisions
 
@SamyS.Rathore Screw it, everyone loves boobs
 
but i can't like it, without others knowing that is :D
 
1:24 PM
@Sean oh no, there are lots of projects and assemblies. It's just that the assembly boundaries make zero frigging sense.
Also, the code actually pre-compiles the Linq queries
Because compiling the queries is going to be the slow part, right?
 
@Rytmis Potential customer eh? ..... Pretend like you never received the email xD
 
Not the fact that they're running the queries as SELECT N+1
@Sean actually, we're probably going to take it. Because I'm pretty good with sorting crap like this out.
Of course, we're not doing it on the cheap. :)
Also, we're trying to get an official release saying we can post parts of this in TDWTF :D
I've come to the conclusion, over the years, that it's wise to learn how to deal with legacy crap. At least if you're a programmer for hire.
Because that's going to be most of what you do anyway.
 
OMG TRIPLE SLEIGH
 
I don't know what that means.
 
@Rytmis Ah yeah, I know what you mean =] personally I hate sorting old shite out
@Rytmis People leave chat in sleighs now cos of christmas and 3 people left at once, hence triple sleigh
 
1:32 PM
@Sean I've learned to take pleasure in it. And like I said, I'm pretty good at it too.
 
@Rytmis You must have that magical motivation thing that's so elusive.... I find it incredibly difficult to even start doing things I don't like
 
I'm sorry miss Jackson OOOOOH I am for reeeeealll ♫
 
@Sean no, I've got the same problem. Like I said, I just learned to like doing it. :)
 
@Rytmis You're a better man than I!
 
So, I'm going to buy my dad one of those one-touch backup external hard drives for Christmas. Anyone have enough experience with them to recommend one brand over another?
 
1:38 PM
@Sean It's a matter of self-preservation. :)
 
@Billdr personally I'm not too keen on Western Digital's external drives
@Billdr you have short list?
 
Not really. WD was my default choice.
 
@Billdr as far as internal HDDs they are great. But I've owned a few Element external HDDs and they all were very slow and full of bad sectors within a year
Maybe Elements are the 'leftover' disks :P
 
yea, that won't do. I doubt he's going to do anything to maintain this drive.
 
Whats if for, just backups?
or a NAS kind of thing
 
1:45 PM
Just backups. He's converting his cds to mp3s and is concerned about losing all his albums after he sells the cds.
 
OMG one of our consultants is going into rage mode in a call
 
I figure an external 1tb and a subscription to carbonite should do him; I'm just not sure what the most idiot-proof drive is.
 
@Billdr as an amateur audiophile I strongly suggest he converts them to FLAC or something
 
@ActionHank I'm not ready to have the lossless conversation with him.
 
@ActionHank WD Elements external HDD of mine just died in less than a year
RMA'd it
 
1:47 PM
@TomW so I'm not the only one
Yay, I guess
 
i saw a really sad but awesome post on 9gag today
 
just as well I wasn't keeping anything particularly valuable on it
 
it made me shed my manly tears
 
tbh, my storage solution is quite pathetic...i really should be in RAID
 
I'll probably run spinrite on it when I get down his way 2-3 times a year. Even so, I'd rather not buy a steaming pile.
 
1:48 PM
@TomW I have an MBA at home, with the Time Capsule. Automatic backups FTW
 
@ActionHank Do you also have a time machine?
 
now that's strange
just looked at device manager
 
@Sean no I'm waiting on Apple to release it
 
it's a long image 'http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6074042_700b.jpg'
 
@Sean might take a while
 
1:49 PM
my mobo is presenting a 4 port sata controller and a 2 port sata controller as separate devices
 
must read
 
@SamyS.Rathore sfw?
 
oh no, not a jamie smart comic
 
i bet u'll all be tears
 
1:50 PM
I get depressed reading those
 
i got depressed :(
 
@ActionHank Hahahaha
 
@SamyS.Rathore thanks for the comic, now I have to go jump in front of a train
 
imma go home :(
 
1:53 PM
but on a more serious note: I havent talked to my dad for over 3 years
 
man, pls call him
 
So it's kind of weird to read this
@SamyS.Rathore I won't bother you with the details, but let's just say it's better this way
 
it just makes me more sad
 
As a father myself it was sad
I'd hate to not speak to my little girl, would break my heart
 
@SamyS.Rathore well he's just there as a motivator to be a better dad than he was
Which ironically was his goal too, when I was born
 
1:55 PM
they try
 
@ActionHank I hear you, my dad was not around, it has made me a better father I feel
 
they try so hard
 
@SamyS.Rathore one can try, but if your mental level never rises above a 17 year old, it's very hard
and by mental level I don't mean that he's retarded
Just very childish
 
i get you man, i get you
 
Dad? You guys have fathers? Lucky you xD
 
1:57 PM
^ tru that
Those people on Jeremy Kyle have about 10 different dads lol
 
@Sean surely you have (a biological) one too?
 
Mine moved to America a couple of years after he split up with my mum
Asshole =D
 
that sucks
 
aww..imma see u guys later
i'll log in from home
 
@SamyS.Rathore Cya later =]
 
1:59 PM
@SamyS.Rathore cu later
 
@ActionHank Yeah you get used to it though
 
and don't forget your SLEIGH
 
aye there
 
Hello all
 
2:00 PM
Hey @dav_i :)
 
How you doing @Sisyphe?
 
better
been sick a couple of days
 
Although it does suck when the next dad comes along, seems fine to you for the best part of 10 years until he starts fighting with your mum and you have to sort him the fuck out. Still not finished with the aftermath of that one =P
 
right before release
 
@dav_i Hey man =D
 
2:00 PM
it was not very much appreciated
 
Yo, @Sean
 
OMG A SLEIGH
 
lol Sleighs :D
 
@dav_i How goes living?
 
Should I be seeing these sleighs somewhere?
Are my intertubes broken?
 
2:02 PM
@Sean why don't you seems as happy to see me ?
 
@Sean Not too bad
Look at the shit I have to deal with
 
you think dav_i is better than me ?
 
Hey, @Sisyphe is back. I haven't seen you in a while.
 
@Rytmis Top right where people's pictures are, when people leave they go out on a sleigh
@Sisyphe HEY SISYPHE!!!!! =D
 
Oh OK
 
2:02 PM
@Billdr hey dude :) well release time + being sick didnt help
 
@dav_i Looks a lot like what I'm looking at.
 
@Sisyphe Now pipe down, you jealous git ;]
 
@Sean : that's really better
I love you again
 
public class GenericController<TEntity, TDataContext>
'nuff said.
 
30 lines of code which gives the same result as .ToString("dd MMM yy hh:mm")
 
2:04 PM
All of the call sites for this class specify the same TDataContext :/
 
@dav_i Oh we love those functions! I'm betting it was written by a classic ASP veteran
 
Yet this thing uses Activator.CreateInstance to new it up
 
@Sean i.e. a dick
They haven't even upgraded the server past .net 2
 
@dav_i Oh I agree with you sooo much xD
 
So I'll be upping it to 4.5 asap
 
2:06 PM
Good man!
 
I literally cried when Visual Studio put a red squiggle under var.
 
hahaha
 
Now I'm scared
I just found a custom SynchronizationContext.
Written by the same people who gave me pre-compiled Linq queries... for performance!
 
CEO walks in. Turns up the volume on the breakroom TV. I can no longer hear myself think. Startup problems.
 
@Billdr get a book and slap him round the back of the head
 
2:08 PM
@Billdr Punch him in the face, but do it politely
5
 
You guys going to cover my salary?
 
Slap him with a large trout!
 
I'll cover your salary for a month if you video it lol
 
Haha, of course. This is copypasta from a blog post.
 
Right, lunch over... have a good weekend guys
 
2:10 PM
I'm calling this thing I do "code archaeology"
 
I find it's best to film myself committing crimes for a few thousand dollars.
Later dav_i
 
Afternoon everyone, hows things?
 
Trying to decide how I want to do this master detail view against an API that isn't written yet for a project that's due tomorrow while trying to block CNN at 47db. So, great. Yourself?
 
well i've just run out of muffins my gf made me... so today is not going well :(
 
hey @StuartBlackler
 
2:20 PM
:(
 
hey @Sisyphe
 
I think I'm going down to the cafe to get a muffin and remind myself that I have legs.
 
but on the plus side, I am leaving uni in 3 hours for home in time for xmas!
will be good to have a break tbh
can you not turn the tv down at all?
 
quick Q:
 
@Billdr you have cafe's near your workplace?
 
2:23 PM
Or, you know, go ask him to turn it down
 
If I buy a domain off [insert hosting provider], it's mine, right?
I can use it with anybody
 
Because if you can't ask your CEO to stop fricking interfering with your work...
 
I'm not bound to hosting with [insert hosting provider]
 
@TomW Moving it between registrars is possible, but I guess it all depends on the kind of contract you agree to.
 
@TomW I buy my domain names at party X and host my sites with Heroku
(at least, when I do Ruby)
 
2:24 PM
@TomW Technically there's nothing tying it to a specific hosting provider.
In fact, a lot of registrars don't offer hosting at all.
 
@Rytmis sorry for the late reply to your message. What's wrong with pre-compiled LINQ :/ I know it's a bit hard to read but i thought it performed better also... (purely talking about L2S, not EF as i have no exp with that)
 
and if a certain host claims they have a domain for sale, does that mean it belongs to them at the moment?
 
@TomW if you can perform DNS changes on your domain, then you're OK I guess
 
@StuartBlackler Nothing per se, but when the performance problems are in the way you perform the queries, not in the queries themselves...
 
I've never had a domain before
 
2:25 PM
@StuartBlackler You can precompile stuff all you want, but if you're doing a SELECT N+1, it won't help a bit.
 
@rytmis ah yes that is very true :)
 
@StuartBlackler because the inefficiency is inherent in what you're doing, not how you're doing it.
 
@TomW All you need to be able to do is modify the DNS entries for the domain and you can host it wherever you like
 
@TomW Registrars for top-level domains (or TLDs) can sell any domain under that TLD, as long as it's not already sold to someone else.
 
is EF still clunky and slow?
not used it for a few versions
 
2:27 PM
right
How do you modify the DNS entries for a domain?
 
@Tomw I host my website using github pages and my email with google, so you can do pretty much most things :)
 
@TomW Which is to say, your-imaginary-domain.com doesn't have to exist yet in order for a .com registrar to be able to sell it to you.
 
they should have a CP to do these things through @TomW or an API
 
@TomW typically, when you purchase the domain, you're granted access to some sort of admin panel wherein you can edit the DNS entries.
 
@TomW I use fasthosts, they provide DNS management through their web interface for my domain
 
2:28 PM
Basically, I want to ensure that if I buy [domain] off GoDaddy, I am not bound to buying anything else e.g. hosting from them
 
Oh no, you're totally not =]
 
I feel confident in saying you're safe there.
 
hello
 
yo dude
 
'sup!
I made a thing for PowerShell this week
It's an unholy hack
It facilitates installing and importing modules from NuGet to the current PowerShell session.
 
2:30 PM
Hey, is there a way in MVC to change an uploaded files name? using just <input type"file" then returning HttpPostedFileBase to controller? there is file.FileName , but that only gets
 
"Change" in what sense?
You're the one who decides where and how you'll save it
So you're free to name it whatever you want
 
no, there is SaveFile() , but that is saving it as the user uploaded it
I can set the path of where to save it fine , but I want to change the name to the users Guid
 
@ActionHank Yea, there's an over priced cafe and an overprice sundry store on the first floor.
 
so file.SaveAs(Path.Combine(yourRootPath, user.Id.ToString()))
 
2:32 PM
@Billdr define overpriced
 
I just paid $2 for two cups of cottage cheese.
 
@ScottSelby Does that answer your question?
(It should)
 
yea, perfect
thanks
 
I guess that doesn't help. For $2 I should be able to buy a pint of cottage cheese... about twice what I've got.
 
@Billdr ok, so it's more rationed than you would like to :P
 
2:35 PM
@Billdr - I just paid $2.75 for coffee
 
I'd prefer to pay half the price.
@ScottSelby beans and water coffee?
 
Starbucks in the building - thats how they get you
 
Cafe Latte is 4€ on average hereabouts.
 
I pay $5ish for a vinti mocha a few times a week without batting an eye.
Because I'm dumb.
 
Starbucks coffee lacks flavor.
I like my coffee to have a bit of kick in it.
 
2:36 PM
well , theres a whole list of stupid stuff I pay for , and I think coffee is doing the least of the damage
 
Fortunately, we've got roasted beans, a grinder and an espresso machine here.
That's what gets me through the day
 
I spend like £5 on breakfast and lunch every day... Shit is expensive nowadays!
 
I interviewed for a software company that had a fully stocked refridgator of redbulls and monsters , that would of been awesome
 
hi :)
 
whatup steve
 
2:38 PM
What the hell? Just make your own breakfast and lunch!
 
We've got a fully stocked freezer of ice cream on top of that! ;-)
Easy to maintain as long as we're only a few people.
 
not much
killing time on a friday because i have no work to do
 
Want to do some of mine, Steve?
 
kicking my roommate out today, so i can finally sit on the couch naked and eat cheeto's
lol if you pay me, sure
 
I only pay in btc.
 
2:40 PM
sure, wha do you want me to do
 
@Rytmis If I do If ( file.filetype != "jpg" ) - is this ok validation , or should there be something before I even get this far ?
 
hi
 
We're writing views against a nebulous API today.
 
btw i got paid today, so let me pay some bills and christmas presens and figure out how much spare $$ i have
 
Hey, is anyone here familiar with XNA?
 
2:41 PM
anyone interested in working part time for a commercial desktop software for pc?
 
@ScottSelby Depends on what you want to validate.
 
I'm actually about 30 minutes from taking off and doing this from home. I can't get comfortable here today.
 
i've never used nebulous :/
 
Underwear, cheetos, and the couch sound like a more productive environment for code.
 
I'll look into it ,
 
2:41 PM
@ScottSelby If it's something like a user picture, you might want to actually try and construct a System.Drawing.Image out of it -- that's pretty good validation. :-)
 
nebulous as in "undefined"
 
@Billdr hahaha yeah
 
yea, thats a good idea
 
I think it's these pants. These are not comfortable pants.
 
@ScottSelby After that, you can for instance validate the image dimensions.
 
2:42 PM
@ActionHank Yeah but I'm a lazy bastard =P this is what I mean about being terrible with paying for things I don't need to
 
@ScottSelby Make sure nobody's trying to shove a gigapixel image into a kilopixel hole.
 
kendall doesn't hang out in here as much as he used to :/
 
well, tomwolverson.net is now mine
...what do I do with it?
 
lol idk, i still have my name registered too with nothing on it
 
heh. My registrar had a bargain a few years back, so I grabbed rytmis.com, rytmis.net and rytmis.org all in one go.
 
2:45 PM
I don't know what any of the options on this manager app are
 
That means you're in for a learning experience!
 
I could have done that, but I decided I wasn't a .com or a .org
 
Yeah, the .net one is the one I use.
as well
 
Suggestions on a PDF to HTML converter?
 
Just felt like owning my net identity in as many forms as is reasonable.
 
2:46 PM
Will people squat the other ones now that .net is registered?
 
@Steve I just did the math, I can sell 7.25btc for $110 this very instant.
 
@Billdr I have to make sure I can pay my bills and stuff before I buy btc
 
Prices are fluxuating quite a bit atm - I'm expecting it to be $14/btc by EoD.
(that's up $.25/btc or so)
 
How long does it take at full tilt to generate one btc?
 
Fine, put food and electricity ahead of digital currency with limited utility.
 
2:47 PM
lol
 
hey @Rytmis - I got this : Could not find a part of the path 'C:\BannerImages\3196a944-df68-4ea2-8e62-106ce8652328'.
oh, nevermind
Im on local host, im stupid nevermind
 
@TomW Do you have anything under the domain section that mentions DNS?
 
I have DNS Manager
which I'm looking at now
 
Ok cool
 
I think I'm going to go for a swim.
 
2:52 PM
So you should have an a record that says something like "(parent)" or something like that? And an A record for WWW
You just point those to your server's (public) IP and off you go
It really is that simple
 
@TomW For example, were you running your site on Windows Azure: windowsazure.com/en-us/develop/net/common-tasks/custom-dns
 
I do have an Azure account I was tinkering with
I don't have any websites on there yet though
 
Going to try and swim 2k today!
Last time, the hall closed when I was four laps short. :(
 
@Rytmis Go go power ranger(s)!
 
Thanks
 
2:55 PM
The most I have ever managed is about 600m, mostly on my back though so I hardly think that counts
 
can you have try with no catch?
 
@ScottSelby You need either a catch or a finally
 
thats what I thought
 
I haven't swum in a pool for years and years
splashed about in the sea, wouldn't call that swimming. I'm terrible at it therefore I hate it, so wouldn't try it again
 
I went a couple years back with my little brother who is ridiculously good at swimming
Going to the gym doing weights doesn't help with swimming btw, in case you were tempted to try that
All the wrong kind of muscle... And you generally don't have the endurance
 
2:59 PM
it's totally technique
I can run 5k in 25 minutes on a good day. Still can't swim
 

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