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1:00 AM
cc/tell Eve echo "its not going to work"
 
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@user1079641 but we still need m, suggestion on how to get m?
 
cc/tell m44m31 help
 
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Eve
@JohanLarsson I'm a bit out of context, but mass is usually calculated by volume * density.
 
1:02 AM
@JohanLarsson, I honestly don't know how to solve this problem. I learned the previous problem after I was shown the steps. This is confusing me like crazy.
 
Eve
@user1079641 Could you link it again, please?
 
25 mins ago, by user1079641
A box that weight 14.0 N is being accelerated on a level surface by a hoizontally applied force. The friction acting on the box is 20% of the normal force. The box accelerates at a constant rate of 1.30 m/s^2. Find the magnitude of the applied force.
@user1079641 we take it slow
 
again, we know that F = m*a and a is given
 
so is it 2.8N=m*1.30 m/s^2 ?
 
1:03 AM
in Hello world, 40 secs ago, by CC Inc
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW MY BOT HAS NO SAFESEARCH
 
we also know the weight of the box, there is a way to get the mass from the weight
@user1079641 we are going to sum the forces in the last step
we finish the acceleration force first
 
Eve
m = weight / 9.8
Well, assuming you're on earth...
 
Once again, asking me slow by slow, is only making it worse for me. I have 30 problems here and while I will not post all of them here, I have to review all of them. So a little faster could help
 
@user1079641 if you just want the solution, the number it is boring
 
"number it" ?
 
1:07 AM
2.8 + 1.3 *14/9.82
but now I go to sleep then
 
No, it is not boring. Please understand I have 30 more problems that I need to review and I don't have much time. Step-by-Step takes way too long and sometimes doesn't help as much as it confuses.
Oh come on.
 
it is 02:07 here, I don't have time to do you homework
 
Ok, we will just tell you the answer for the next 30 questions
 
No, I don't ask for answers to 30 questions
 
I could spend some time helping you understand it but not plain doing it
 
1:08 AM
That is why I said I will not post 30 questions.
I am posting one question from each category.
 
my guess it is 30 very similar, really understanding a couple will go a long way I think
 
Great, a review for a test!
 
The thing is, step-by-step takes so long because you ask me what i think we should do, then i guess something and its wrong.
 
Please tell me what you got on this test...
 
Ok, fine let's do it step by step.
 
1:10 AM
@user1079641 but if you guess I promise to say directluy if I think it is wrong and hint
we had teh force due to friction
and we wanted teh composnent due to acceleration
for the acceleration only m was missing
 
Ok, I know 20% of 14.0 N is 2.8 N
 
and we had the weight
so we need the mass from the weight, suggestion/guess?
 
if we have acceleration and weight, then weight=mass*acceleration
 
nope, not quite
 
14.0N=M*1.30m/s^2?
 
1:12 AM
@user1079641 no
Facc = m * 1.3
where m = 14 N / 9.82
 
Eve
A = F/M
F = F.applied + F.friction
F = 4/5 * F.applied
1.30 = (4*F)/5 / 14/9.8
 
you agree?
 
hello all
 
@Eve I don't agree with tha last
Ftotal = Ffriction + Facceleration
 
Eve
And Ffriction is 1/5 Facceleration.
 
1:14 AM
yep
 
Eve
So Ftotal is Facceleration - 1/5 Facceleration = 4/5 Facceleration.
 
and we are really close to getting Facceleration
 
Facc = A from F=MA right?
 
Facceleration = m*a where a = 1.3m/s^2 and m = 14/9.82
 
Eve
@JohanLarsson No, that would be F.total.
 
1:17 AM
@Eve I don't think so
 
Disagreement? So who is correct then? I am confused now.
 
Eve
@JohanLarsson What you wrote means that the box accelerates by 1.3m/s^2 on a plane with no friction.
 
@Eve yep for the Facc, then we add Ffriction that we calculated earlier
Superpositioning is valid since it is linear
 
Eve
I'll quote myself, since you have said that there's something wrong in this formula:

A = F/M
F = F.applied + F.friction
F = 4/5 * F.applied
1.30 = (4*F)/5 / 14/9.8
Were you suggesting to apply F = m*a to both friction and applied force and then sum them?
In that case, how do you calculate the force of friction if it's a function of the applied force?
 
@JohanLarsson numbers are great, but can you explain in words why you did what you did? Like what is happening in the problem due to which we need to do what you said we have to do.
 
1:22 AM
@Eve we get Facc = m*a and Ffrict = 0.2*Fnormal
 
Eve
I believe we'd have the same results, then.
 
@Eve ok, sry in that case, I might have failed at reading
 
Eve
@user1079641 We just put A = F/M in an equation and try to find F. If we follow my procedure, we know that F has two components, applied and friction. We know that friction is a function of the applied force, so we know that the total force would be 4/5 of the applied force. The rest is just replacing numbers.
 
I guess this is just a bad problem.
 
@user1079641 I fail at teaching
 
1:28 AM
A skydiver with a mass of 70.0 kg is descending through the air with a downwards acceleration of 5.4 m/s^2. Find the average drag force acting on the skydiver.
 
try think of it as that we need to apply force for two reasons,
1) to overcome friction^
2) to accelerate the box
@user1079641 I sugest we start like this, is the drag force directed up or down?
 
I am guessing down?
 
I guess up, it is kind of a brake
it is not pushing him dow right?
 
I was thinking of that since the term "Drag" makes it sound like it is slowing him down
so probably up then,yes I agree
 
ok
What force is the earth pulling him down with?
 
1:32 AM
gravity, 9.8 m/s^2
 
correct'
 
air
 
what is the actual force downward in this case? hint F = m*a
 
Eve
F=m*a
F=F.grav + F.drag
F.drag has negative modulus.
The rest is replacing.
 
@Eve fully agree on this one :)
 
1:34 AM
378N ?
 
@user1079641 correct the is the force down, did you calculate what the force would have been without drag?
(70*9.82)
 
would that be 9.8m/s^2 - 5.4m/s^2
?
 
the difference is the drag
 
does it make sense?
this would make a nice clean diagram btw
 
Eve
1:37 AM
@user1079641 Correct
 
think I need to sleep now, gnight
 
Eve
Well, that's the negative acceleration of the drag, the actual force is 308N.
 
9.8-5.4=4.4
so do I do 4.4 * 70?
 
Eve
@user1079641 Correct
 
1:40 AM
ok so 308N is final answer
One more please:
 
ok, we try
 
A bucket with a mass of 8.00 kg is lifted from the bottom of a well by a rope. Find tension in the rope if the bucket accelerates upward at a rate of 0.75 m/s^2.
 
the hard part is figuring it out, that is wher a diagram can help. The rest is just replacing like Eve says
@user1079641 this is the easiest thus far I think
I assume they mean force by tension
do you have a suggestion for where to start?
I say there are two things that adds tension in the rope:
1) the weight
2) the acceleration of the weight
you agree?
 
Ft = 8 * (9.8 - 0.75)
^ ?
 
Ft = 8 * (9.8 + 0.75)
 
1:45 AM
why+?
 
ok, first we take just the weight standing still
Fm = 8* 9.82
and since we pull itt up, accelerate it up the Facc will be added agree?
Facc = 8 * 0.75
does that make sense?
 
what is Fm?
 
Fm = weight
sry, introduced notation out-of-the-blue
make sense given that?
 
Facc is?
Facc = A?
 
Facc = m * a acceleration force
 
1:53 AM
that translates back to F=MA
 
in a strict sense both are, but I think it makes sense to treat them separately
@user1079641 yes
 
ok and then you add the two answers together
 
@user1079641 you had the solution right from the start, only got the sign wrong
@user1079641 yeah
 
(8*9.8)+(8*5.4)
alright,thank you a lot
Do you have any advice to tackle the different problems that will come on this test tomorrow?
 
(8*9.8)+(8*0.75)
 
1:55 AM
Yes thats what I mean, sorry
The second part of the problem states: Find tension in rope if bucket is lowered with constant acceleration of 1.2 m/s^2
 
@user1079641 yes, I repeat Phoenix advice, draw big diagrams, throw them away and start over if it fails the first times
 
so for that, would it be (8*9.8)-(8*1.2)
 
correct
 
alright, again. Thank you so much. I trully appreciate it.
 
Once you have a nice diagram it becomes easy
but making the diagram is not always trivial
 
1:57 AM
Not always though for me:
 
but the calculations are easy
 
A 40kg crate is pulled across the ice with rope. A force of 100N is applied at angle of 30 degrees above horizontal. Neglect Force of friction. Find acceleration of crate.
I have the solution, but I don't understand it.
 
the tricky part is getting the equations right
 
I drew an image
except, it didn't help me much.
 
screenie?
 
1:59 AM
its on paper, i will draw on computer, one minute
 
this is somewhat a trick question
they give us almost too much info to confuse us
 
@user1079641 very nice
 
I suggest we split this up in two directions
one up and one along the ice, do you understand how I mean?
 
2:04 AM
along the ice?
 
along the dotted line
I struggle with writing English
we start calculating along the dotted line, what is the force in that direction?
 
No, its not english. Its just me getting confused on whether it is possible to or not.
 
it is, trust me
 
100N force
 
100 * cos (30) right?
86,6 N
 
2:11 AM
so all i do is 100 * cos(30)
 
then you have the force component along the dotted line
 
but that gives me force in newtons. I need acceleration
 
next acceleration in that direction
you have mass and force now
and equation
pretty good shape
 
86.6N = 40.0 kg * a ?
 
F=MA
 
2:13 AM
@user1079641 correct
 
a=2.165 m/s^2
 
correct, in that direction also final answer but we need to show that
we do other direction quick, the up direction
what is the force in that direction?
 
I have no clue.
40 * 9.8?
 
@user1079641 correct but we need to add the part from the applied force
100 * sin (30)
what do you say about direction for them?
 
hey Jonah , you use MVC?
 
2:17 AM
nope
 
anyone?
 
right?
I honestly don't know.
 
@user1079641 I'm getting tired so I just give you this one fast. The wwight is 40 *9.82 directed down, we lift with 100*sin(30) directed up
100*sin(30 ) = 50N and that will be less than the weiht so there will be no acceleration upwards
I explain poorly
 
but aren't we looking for acceleration of the crate as it is being pulled across the ice
so just horizontally, not vertically?
 
@user1079641 you could say that but I think we need to show that it is only horizontaly
 
2:21 AM
@ScottSelby I do
 
what if the force was 10 kN? then it would accelerate up too
 
Well, she won't be giving kN on the test.
 
but that is me being a nit
@user1079641 nice work and good luck
 
alright, thank you a lot
Bye
 
one more suggestio for the test, slide the calculator on the desk and prtend it is your model, that might help
or think of things you can do like lift that bucket for example
and try to look fro what you can split up
 
2:28 AM
Good advice. I do that sometimes, but I'll make sure I do it.
 
2:59 AM
oh yea, thanx @LewsTherin I got an answer though
 
3:32 AM
I have a method defined thusly:
public Block this[int wx, int wy, int wz]
{
get {
...
}
set {
...
}
}
so that I can access the method thusly:
myclass[2,3,4]
If I make another method that accepts a Vector3 instead of 3 ints, is there a way I could call the above method, instead of having to duplicate all the code?
 
Eve
@RavenDreamer I believe you can do something like get { return this[v.X,v.Y,v.Z]; }, v being your Vector3. The setter would be alike.
Not sure if Vector3's fields are actually X, Y and Z but you get the point.
 
3:47 AM
@Eve Well, that worked for the getter (dunno what I was doin' wrong last time)
setter returns void, so I'm not sure how to construct that phrase.
 
Eve
@RavenDreamer set { this[v.X, v.Y, v.Z] = value; }
 
Oh. right. I was missing value.
 
I miss this place
 
Okay, I guess that means its time to get some sleep. T_T
@Eve Alrighty, that worked. Excellent. +1s to you all around.
etc.
 
4:20 AM
hey
 
 
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6:13 AM
Hi
to all
is there any one ?
I need some help
regarding use of JSON in C#
 
 
1 hour later…
7:17 AM
What's your issue?
As a general etiquette rule, it's a better idea to just ask your question instead of asking if there is someone there who could answer a question. :)
 
 
2 hours later…
8:54 AM
Hi @LewsTherin
 
Hw r U today?
 
Busy :( You?
 
a bit busy.
@LewsTherin -> why busy?
 
Assignment..
 
8:57 AM
ok
 
morning
 
morning @Sean
 
hey
 
Hi
 
everyone love magical trevor
cos the tricks that he does, are ever so clever
look at him now, disappearing the cow
where is the cow, hidden right now?
 
9:12 AM
idk... ???!!!
 
he was in the parallel dimension
but I can't remember the next line of the song....
I know ALL the words to Magical Trevor 2 though
 
9:29 AM
Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way!
Oh what fun it is to ride on a one-horse open sleigh, hey!
Customer, customer, why are you so dumb?
 
good day everyone :)
@Sean maybe because so we can have jobs? Imagine customers would know how to deal with IT stuff, at least 40% of all IT personal would be without work
 
@SteffenWinkler morning
 
and yes I do know that at least 80% of all statistical claims are made up ;)
 
Morning x
 
@SteffenWinkler You make a good point
@JamieTownsend Morning
 
9:39 AM
Morning @JamieTownsend
@Sean point was made by my former teach when I entered a discussion about that people should know certain IT things (for example how a computer basically works (Input/processing/Output) 'n stuff like that. Needless to say I've yet to come up with a counter argument
 
'morning (damn alarm clock)
 
@Abaco morning, yeah those things tend to annoy me, too.
 
@SteffenWinkler in particular when they don't do their thing :(
 
@Abaco so you slept in? ;)
 
@SteffenWinkler came to work 1 hour late :| hopefully my boss shouldn't notice, far too busy
 
9:46 AM
Anyway, sleep is my main point against that human bodies are 'well build'. Which idiot thought that calling a Thread.Sleep on the main thread was a good idea?
 

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