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7:01 PM
lawl
 
Eating...
Yes, that would be an idea
Had one meal yesterday, have had some leftover spaghetti today. It's 7pm
 
I just got back from Gillie's, a local custard shop.
 
Custard...
Shop...
...why?
 
As in, burgers, fries, frozen custard
like the precursor to McDonald's
 
Ah. So a burger 'joint', as you north americans might say.
 
7:04 PM
Well, it's the precursor to a burger joint. It's the oldest custard shop in Milwaukee, actually.
 
I would definitely have never imagined that that was a name for anything
 
They usually have full-length counters that span the entire store, and minimal seating arrangements. The people wear uniforms, usually blue + white, with paper hats, and there are giant frozen custard mixers directly behind the counter.
 
I heartily approve of this dessert or confection.
 
Here's a picture of Kopp's, another very popular one: onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/be/bestcustard08/…
 
What I find really remarkable is the brand-ability of quite obscure products on the other side of the pond
giant chains that primarily sell donuts, or ice cream
Especially as everything is so far away from everything else
 
7:09 PM
Well, we focus on turning ideas into money. It helps that we don't have to deal with international customs when shipping to other states.
 
In terms of fast food chains
 
Yeah; imagine if the UK was the size of the US, or if mainland Europe didn't have shipping regulations between countries. Having more area to cover means you can build an enormous platform on something simple and good.
 
That's just it, I can't imagine being able to make any money out of it
and all those businesses started small
 
the other part of it is, in the US, we associate ourselves on a country level with a much greater range of local cultures.
 
How many people can you find who will go however far they need to just to get, say, ice cream
 
7:11 PM
The other part is regional saturation and distribution.
We don't need to go far, when there's a McDonald's in every city.
Their offerings are standardized and well-known, thanks to aggressive advertising.
 
Well, the concept of 'far' is very variable as well
 
Understood. Gas prices in the US are also rather low compared to most European countries, according to my understanding.
I could be wrong, however.
 
If I have to get in my car at all I consider that a chore, whereas I'll walk a fair distance, maybe half an hour, quite happily
 
If I had the time to walk for a half-hour with my ridiculous school schedule and work schedule, then I would. But I don't.
Also, I can walk to the custard shop from my work. It's only two blocks away!
 
I was sort of pointing out how inconsistent my idea of effort is
 
7:14 PM
Ah. Well, mine is rather inconsistent as well.
Also, walking to places is very rewarding, and driving can be such a hassle.
It's just that walking sucks when you're in a hurry, and driving sucks when you want to relax.
 
I only got my first car at the age of, 24 I think
 
I got mine about 2 years ago, at 19 I think
 
whereas I was used to walking wherever I wanted to go up until then
 
Agreed. What ended up happening was, I got my first internship then, and it was a half-hour drive west of my dorm.
Walking and driving are both great compared to taking a city bus.
 
I got mine at 19 too

jumping into the chat :P
 
7:18 PM
I usually hate driving, except on rare occasions when it's quiet
 
Except if you're short on money.
 
Weird thing is, buses are so expensive!
 
Yeah, but they're good if you get a long-term bus pass.
 
It'd cost me twice as much and take three times as long to commute to my (old) work on the bus
 
They also don't require parking or maintenance.
 
7:18 PM
In a country that's supposed to be fairly good at public transport
 
How much do you usually pay for a bus ride?
 
nowhere near as good as the rest of (socialist) Europe
Single on my local is £1.80
 
what about in US @ShotgunNinja ?
 
Also, how is that conveyed verbally? A pound eighty, or one eighty?
 
7:20 PM
Either would make sense
I'd probably say the latter
 
In the US, I got bus tickets at a discount through my school, at 50 cents per one-way ticket.
they're usually around $1 per ticket, near me.
or something just above that.
 
cool
a 'bit' cheaper than here
here it's about R$3
 
ughhhh
that's so gross
 
here, I mean Brazil
 
7:22 PM
To get to work without the car would have cost me probably about £4 for the train
then £3.20 for the bus from the station
and taken about an hour and a half
my best time for driving to work was 23 minutes
 
ewwwww, hour and a half commute?
 
not so different here
 
I draw the line at an hour.
 
by car I take about an hour
 
I'd never be able to pull that off; I am in school still, however.
 
7:23 PM
I hate cars, but there is no alternative
can't afford to live near work, public transport is too expensive and too slow
 
Jeez, how much are you getting paid?
 
I like cars
here, between going by car and by bus, I don't know which one is worse
 
I left that job this week
paid a lot more at the new one
 
Woo~!
 
that cool
 
7:26 PM
had 47% increase in pay this year
 
Congrats!
 
damn, dude
nicely done
 
through one big payrise at the last place, then starting a new job with more than that
 
ahhahaha, yeah, that's what happened to me too.
Start of 2012, I was making $15/hr. Ran out of work, got hired elsewhere at $12/hr. Got a raise to $14/hr. Quit there, got hired at my current place at $18/hr.
 
7:28 PM
@WileyMarques btw, you look like a badass. I don't think I'd drive in Brazil either unless I looked like you
 
Aaah, much better.
 
Badass? his profile picture looks silly, with him stuffed into that suit.
No offense, but it doesn't look like the most comfortable picture you've ever taken, @WileyMarques.
 
LOL
I don't usually take good pics haha
 
Custom-fitted clothes master race
Yeah, I need to get a good picture for SO and whatnot.
 
And I'm far from being a badass haha
 
7:33 PM
I was thinking a similar thing. Eventually I may want to use this site to get a job.
 
I think it's the suit
 
In fact, on Monday, I pick up my first two suits from Men's Warehouse.
 
Did @KyleTrauberman bail for an early lunch or something?
 
Paid for by my folks, as a birthday/Christmas gift.
 
early?
its 12:34
 
7:35 PM
Oh hey, @KyleTrauberman
 
I thought it was 11:30 your time. My bad.
 
1:34 here
 
i'm in mountain time
 
ewwww
 
So are these jobs you're talking about programming jobs?
 
7:36 PM
Did my knockout question make sense? I don't see a way to do what I want to do. I may end up posting it to SO proper.
 
since DST ended, we are on the same time as the rest of mountain time
because we don't observe DST
 
it's almost evening here :D
 
I wish we didn't have DST either
 
@Rytmis Whos is that directed to?
 
You guys have too much daylight to bother saving it
 
7:36 PM
@ShotgunNinja Oh, pretty much anyone. :)
 
@Billdr its not entirely clear to me what you are trying to do - some code might help
if you post a Q, link it to me
brb gotta head my lasagna some more
 
All three jobs I mentioned were programming jobs. Avionics, industrial controls, and web development, in that order.
You're heading your lasagna, @Kyle?
 
That's the thing, I don't have any code for it. Whatever I'll do would be a horrible hack job
 
Was asking because I'm curious about programmer salaries in other countries. :)
 
@Rytmis: What country are you from?
 
7:38 PM
@ShotgunNinja Finland
 
Actually, never you mind
 
Asking people about salaries is an awkward business
 
@Rytmis I compared mine to the people here another day, I got really sad haha
 
Ah. Well, keep in mind that I'm only a student/intern, so salaries here are usually higher than that.
 
people don't like talking about it with colleagues, never mind strangers
 
7:39 PM
I find that weird.
Obviously it's a sensitive subject, yeah, but...
 
I'm usually rather open about my pay, unless it's with someone else I work with.
 
Not talking about it mostly plays to the advantage of the employer.
 
I hear in the US that some companies try to make it a sackable offence
which is illegal in most states, but it doesn't stop them trying
 
Which just proves my point.
 
lol @ShotgunNinja i meant HEAT
 
7:40 PM
Yeah, some do; none that I've worked at have. The past 50-60 years of business management in the US has been downright retarded.
 
i also got some sugar water from the sugar water fountain
 
Sugar water fountain?
 
I was under the impression, that something like $60k/year was a fairly typical starting salary.
 
I've just landed £35k/year, which AFAIK is pretty good
 
7:40 PM
Yeah, that sounds about right, @Rytmis, that's what I got offered on graduation.
 
3 1/2 years experience
 
its of the green lemon lime variety
bubbly too
 
I make around 50k€/year. Been doing this for over a decade now.
 
You have a Sprite fountain?
 
7:41 PM
My salary is about R$24k/year, it's my first programming job
still junior
 
@Rytmis that's Scandinavia for you. Everybody's middle class
 
But then again, the Finnish tax system makes it so that it doesn't make sense to have higher salaries.
@TomW Well, everybody in IT is.
 
Would have fooled me
 
@TomW There most definitely is a lower class, and an upper class that's doing their very best to widen the gap.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be too opposed to moving to Finland or Sweden eventually, provided I can either still speak English, or learn the language.
 
7:42 PM
@TomW I mean everybody in IT in Scandinavia.
 
I'm 26 and I still rent a room in a shared house, and can't afford anything else
 
@TomW not the entire world. :)
@ShotgunNinja Everyone in Finland speaks English. Not everyone does it very well, but still. Compare to, say, Germany where people may freak out and run away if you try. :)
 
I'm from Wisconsin, so the whole "always-dark winter" thing is no real surprise to me.
Really? Germany? I have friends who do German exchanges, and they say the same thing.
 
Does your winter last nine months as well? :P
 
Well, not this year, because we're in a freakish warm spell due to Hurricane Sandy.
 
7:44 PM
Well, I've only been to Germany a couple of times, but that does seem to be the case.
 
@Rytmis I say 'Scandinavia' and you seemed to know what I was talking about; how similar are you neighbours up there really?
my limited understanding was that Finland is the most different to the others culturally and economically
 
@TomW That's true, but we observe the others all the time. :)
@TomW A big part of our upper class originates from Sweden.
 
We are seriously low on snow this winter, to the point where the roads are all salted "just in case".
 
my cousin's wife is Norwegian and they live in Oslo, from what she's told me the economics are similar enough that what's true in Norway is probably true in Sweden and Finland as well
 
Norway is insanely more expensive though.
 
7:46 PM
Or rather, the roads are all salted to get rid of the excess supply of road salt the city purchased and can't use.
 
Relatively speaking, that's not true I suppose -- Norwegians have rather high salaries, or so I'm told.
 
From the one snowfall we've had, which had zero lasting depth.
 
And economics-wise, the last I saw her was at my other cousin's wedding. She was buying everybody drinks without even checking the price - in a rather high class golf club - because they're so much cheaper here
 
Confirms my notion
Norwegians in the northern part of the country cross the border to shop in Finland because it's cheap here.
Whenever I travel to Europe, I marvel at how low the prices seem there. :P
 
Depends where you go. Britain used to be loads more expensive than even France, Belgium, Netherlands and so on. Not so anymore
 
7:49 PM
So, is there any animosity or hard feelings between the neighboring Scandinavian countries, or are they all buddy-buddy? I live in Wisconsin, and between us, Illinois, and Minnesota, there's an awful lot of anger over dumb little things like driving habits and general behavior.
 
man there are some crazy people in america
 
Well, there are only so many times one can get cut off on the highway, and notice the odd correlation between the license plates reading "Illinois" rather than "Wisconsin".
 
oh, i was talking about the shooting, not driving lol
 
oh yeah, that
surprises me that none of these shooters ever runs into a concealed-carrier
 
Well, we have a love-hate relationship with Sweden
 
7:51 PM
which I was led to believe was really common
 
Also, the American football rivalries between the Chicago Bears (Illinois), the Green Bay Packers (Wisconsin), and the Minnesota Vikings are pretty harsh.
 
yep, but you cant carry conceal in schools
 
I don't think Finns dislike Norwegians or Danes.
But Danes seem to slightly diss the Swedes too.
 
@Steve even leave it in your car?
 
nope
 
7:52 PM
Hm.
 
If it's on school property, it's against the rules.
 
most universities don't even allow it, one tried it and it failed
 
Even after that being a really obvious fail, campus security can't have a gun locker?
 
My school just posted a No Concealed Carry sign on every door around this time last year.
 
like university of colorado, or colorado state set up a weapons allowed dorm, not one person signed up to live there
 
7:53 PM
Campus Security has gun lockers.
 
Because by the way, campuses are large.
 
they just don't want the teachers or students to be packing concealed.
 
You'd probably also want to sign up some of the track team for campus security in that case, because that's the only way you're going to get someone to respond in time
 
and I say teachers, because I've had some crazy-ass professors.
 
how many states are you allowed to carry openly?
 
7:54 PM
most i believe
 
without restriction?
 
but i could be dead wrong
 
I think Wisconsin just signed concealed carry laws
 
well there are restrictions on everything now-a-days
 
It shocked me when one of my friends from out of state came to shoot some pool with me, and he had a gun sticking out of the back of his jeans.
 
7:56 PM
if i were allowed to i would walk around with an m4 strapped to my back every time i left, with crazy fuckers like this shooting up children
 
His response was, "Thank goodness Wisconsin just made that legal"
 
I did watch a 'wildest police videos' kinda programme where some douchebag was flagged down by police
he had a pair of glocks in shoulder holsters, over a t shirt
obviously clearly visible
he proceeds to lecture the officers on the law
 
yeah
 
Yeah... "concealed" for a reason.
Dumb shit.
 
they didn't arrest him as he wasn't actually doing anything wrong
 
7:57 PM
lawl
 
"Where's your concealed carry permit?"
"In the back pocket you won't let me access, not that I need one to carry openly in the state of [I forget]"
 
There are a lot of gun nuts like that in the States.
 
I'd rather one of them than any other kind
Those sort are usually the ones obsessed with the rules
 
Some for reasons of defiant liberty, some for reasons of self-defense, and others just because they really like guns. Oh, and there's the crazies.
 
in a country where guns are so common, I'd probably be one of those
 
7:59 PM
The guy you saw probably lies in the first category.
 
I guess you can understand it
 
Well, if anything, I'd have a gun because it's fun to range-shoot.
 
if he goes his whole life and never encounters a rogue shooter, nobody got hurt
 

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