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3:04 PM
@DanielEngel There's an example of doing just that in the docs
text.tag_config("n", background="yellow", foreground="red")
text.tag_config("a", foreground="blue")
text.insert(contents, ("n", "a"))
Why do people mention one error message in their title but a different (related) one in the body of the question? :facepalm: stackoverflow.com/questions/38789552/…
 
whaddup snake charmers
 
@idjaw! You're online! See my previous ping! Buy DOOM!
 
:O oh/
nice
 
idjaw quick, meet your Doom!
 
no no. I read Fizzy's posts carefully. He was talking about the game this time. I'm not falling for that again.
 
3:21 PM
Stellaris 20% off. Hmmm.
 
@PM2Ring Or mention the error message in the title but not in the question, or vice versa
 
Or they give you the exception itself, but not the full traceback, so you have no idea which line raised it.
stackoverflow.com/questions/38792674/… I think we can close this one as a typo, since we don't have a batshit-crazy syntax close reason.
 
ValueError should be enough information for anybody
 
@RobertGrant Fantastic idea of a game, but then, I dunno.
Games just take too long.
And I'm used to Civ, but at least in Civ they're interesting for the entire period.
At the start of Stellaris it's insane and so much fun, then it goes so dull, just turn after turn, then it gets really cool at the end.
But that central dull bit can kill it.
In other news: I might be doing some internal Python courses soon (as in, giving the lectures/workshops). 2.x will be banned upon pain of snark.
 
Just call the course Python > 3
if anyone asks you what that means, ban them from the lecture
 
3:29 PM
Python <3 ...oops
 
@Ffisegydd hmm okay
Given I also need money for $things, perhaps I should hold off
 
here is a game that I loved. If it goes on sale, get it. (If you are in to metroidvania games) store.steampowered.com/app/385560
 
Oh yeah I had that on 360; never really got into it
Struggle with platformers a bit, other than Braid and that other one
 
Limbo?
 
Yeah :)
 
3:37 PM
hehe :)
 
Bastion
 
Great game, but more action-rpg
 
Trine?
 
Wow, Trine looks quite cool
 
@RobertGrant think there's a Trine 2 isn't there?
 
3:40 PM
Trine is fantastic and 2 is equally fantastic
and for some old school fun, I posted here about it, but if you have a battle.net account, it seems like you can download Lost Vikings
for free
 
@RobertGrant No Mans Sky mate. And Civ 6.
 
I'm still waiting for Destiny to come to PC.
 
Yeah good points :)
 
That game looks right up my alley, but I have no console.
 
@MorganThrapp Destiny 2, surely?
Destiny be dead
And I was pretty disappointed with it
 
3:42 PM
Sure, 2. Whenever it comes out.
 
Apparently there was a major firing of the main writer, which is why nothing in the game seems to hang together or make sense regarding plot
 
I like shooter MMORPGs.
 
But great shooting. Better than Halo's, and that's more of a shooter in theory
 
Meh, I couldn't care less about the story. I just want to shoot things and watch my stats go up.
For these types of games, anyway.
 
Then buy a console and Destiny right now :)
 
3:43 PM
Coming from mainly PC FPS land, I was never able to get in to Halo
and then that PC port that eventually came out was teeeerrible
 
I played the bajesus out of Halo 1 on the original XBOX with my friends.
Soooooo much Halo.
 
Halo is at its peak when there are four of you in a room, split screen on a projector playing 4 on 4 with a team on the net
 
I was hooked on CS and UT2K4
<3 UT2K4....so much....so much.
 
Blimey I didn't love UT2K4 that much
I played quite a lot of UT
Me vs hardest bots, instagib on that "three bases floating in space" map - good times
 
It was the challenge maps that I loved. There was that one where you had to take over all those nodes and defend yours?
can't remember the name
 
3:46 PM
Oh yeah, and it had vehicles? That was pretty cool for the time
I forgot about that
 
DSM
I can't remember if I said "cabbage" already or if I got distracted into work. So possibly second cabbage for all!
 
@dsm cbg :)
 
never enough cabbage
 
Doing some basic ASP.NET dev is very frustrating
Partly because I have no context and am trying to rush
 
3 hours writing javascript and I haven't sworn once... This is a new personal record.
 
3:47 PM
Because you've sworn... more than once?
 
@RobertGrant I've been there. Are you using C#?
 
Yes
Well, trying
 
yeah. I've said that too :P
 
I just want to do something crazily simple, so much so you can probably configure IIS to do it, but I can't find out how to do that
 
My usual JS development process involves a lot of declarations of ill-intent.
ex. "Javascript, I will find the physical manifestation of your essence, and suplex it through a folding table"
 
3:49 PM
@RobertGrant Does IIS still require a ridiculous amount of convoluted configurations through the UI?
 
:)
You can do it in code now (or config inside a deployable $thing) which is good
 
ah that's good.
 
I'm totally happy with a UI (other than for deployability etc) except the IIS one is actually really unhelpful
 
I used to have so much fun configuring sharepoint sites on IIS
 
I've written a cunning helper function, getExactlyOneElementByClassNameAndCrashIfThereAreZeroOrMoreThanOneElementsWithT‌​hatClassName, which has done a surprising amount of work in making my code more concise
 
3:51 PM
Probably the crash feature helps with code size - no more pesky error handling!
 
(inb4 "you can just use jquery and do $("#classname")". I'm not going to use any external libraries.)
 
@idjaw Sam Fish & Danielle Nichole Schnebelen doing I'd Rather Go Blind. The crowd's a bit noisy, but Danielle manages to quieten them down a bit.
 
nice. thanks
 
@RobertGrant Pretty much, yeah. Now I have 100% fewer lines of code like if (items.length == 0){console.log("could not find item!"); return;}
Which typically liberally pepper any and all DOM-munging code I've ever written.
 
Oh neat. There are some puppet scripts to configure IIS: forge.puppet.com/puppet/iis
 
3:54 PM
@Kevin lol
I miss KevinScript
 
It's not dead, only sleeping.
 
waiting
 
DSM
Like you-know-who in you-know-where.
 
ia, I know ;-)
 
Iä! Iä! Kevin fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Kevin R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
that:P
 
DSM
3:57 PM
You don't say the bloody words, why do you think I was so elliptical?! That's it, I'm never going into the woods with you lot, you'll find some book in a cabin and then we're all worse than dead.
 
my meme is bad, and I feel great
 
If I google that weird text, will I die in three days?
 
oh dammit....my curiosity has lead to my upcoming demise
 
No, but if you invoke the name of Hastur too many times, you'll go crazy. So definitely don't say "Hastur" too much. To reiterate, "Hastur" is the word that you should not cranberry.
 
well....I'll send over all my ssh keys to you guys. Take care of my machines for me.
 
DSM
3:59 PM
(tips hat)
 
anybody recommend a vpn?
 
Yep, I'd recommend having one.
Man I'm sexy.
 
@DSM I live under the assumption that we don't live in a universe that is the setting for a horror story. However, I'm willing to abandon this assumption, given a reasonable amount of evidence to the contrary. If we find a cabin with a spooky book, you can depend on me to act with the appropriate amount of genre savvy.
 
@RobertGrant too hot to handle
 
4:01 PM
@Kevin I will probably never live in a village because I'm not that sure about that
 
The good news is, even if we do live in a horror story, there's only about a six-in-six-billion chance that you're anything more than a background character in the prologue.
 
expect for Robert cause he just admitted to being sexy
and the sexy characters always die
 
the hot one always gets axed first
 
I will own my 6 minutes of screen time
 
Haha
 
4:03 PM
So just by raw numbers, we're safe from highly localized antagonists such as men with hockey masks or even dream-invading demon men.
 
don't go doing the nasties in the forest
or anywhere else, for that matter
especially if a sexually transmitted curse is following you
 
typically the innocent one who doesn't do the naughty in the woods who had a troubled past, survives
who will that be among us?
 
Horror films are notoriously prudish, by modern TV standards
 
@Kevin I (for a laugh and to atone for my sins) watched Jason vs Freddy the other day :)
 
whelp, I'm dead @idjaw
 
4:07 PM
you're making it really hard for me to not get lost in tv tropes again
 
@JonClements You poor soul.
 
@Kevin it was not unexpectedly completely rubbish :)
 
Possibly dying of dehydration due to browsing tvtropes for too long would be a more likely horror story
 
Not quite on par for Jason X though... that was just rubbish to a level that transcends understanding...
 
we watched all the Freddies last year, then watched Jason 1, and gave up on that franchise
 
4:13 PM
I loved Halloween
@JGreenwell Well...we just lost the only guy with army training. We no longer have a survival expert. This is now turning in to a more cliche horror movie. We need something unexpected to happen now.
 
Ellen Ripley in a mecha exoskeleton shows up abruptly and saves us from the $monster
 
yes...this is getting good now.
 
DSM
I almost, but not quite, convinced myself to watch Jason X because I had a crush on Lexa Doig.
 
AKA The Andromeda Chick?
 
She's pretty hot.
 
4:21 PM
@AndrasDeak The Cinema Sins for It Follows is pretty great but like with tvtropes, you can never eat just one
 
Not as hot as me, of course.
 
@WayneWerner We found it well executed when it comes to visuals; but a horrible movie altogether
and extra irrational characters, even by horror standards
 
That's pretty much what all the dings are on cinema sins
basically - "why would they do this? They wouldn't do this, because they just said they didn't do this"
or because it's the exact opposite of a thing they did before or something
 
it has a few interesting spooks
the premise tries to be deep, but it's just too silly to be scary
 
hmm, lesson learned today. Not all distros have their serial console set to the same ttys#. This complicates my implementation.
 
4:35 PM
Hi Anyone is familier to implement soap service server in django 1.6
 
Hey everyone :)
 
@idjaw I'm a Marine, not a Soldier ;P ;)
 
cbg
 
and with that rbrb for lunch meeting
 
4:39 PM
@JGreenwell do you marne, instead of solder?
rhubarb JGreenwell:)
 
can I ask you if you can test if a website loads for you?
https://practicon.lr.tudelft.nl/
It's the website with exercises/example examns from my university.. And suddenly since 4pm today it gave a dns error. (Which kind of sucks considering I have an examn next tuesday and now can't do any exercise).
 
@paul23 not loading for me.
(or maybe it will after a few minutes, but my patience ran out after 20 seconds)
 
Thanks, I'm going to send emails to the support then...
Nah it normally loads within a second.
 
isup.me is great for that.
 
doesn't load here either (Hungary)
@MorganThrapp isitdownrightnow says it's up and running
 
4:48 PM
This kind of sucks, especially since it's a computer based examn (you have to actually write small python scripts based on theory).- I just finished studying all theory, but all the "know how" to use the libraries is explained not in the book but in those exercises.... So without it I still won't pass...
 
oh wait, that's the top-level domain
 
Nor here (UK)
 
@AndrasDeak Well the top level works :P. As do many subdomains, just that one (lr is my faculty's domain)
 
I see:(
@paul23 are there by any chance other sources of information?:)
 
Normally downtime is notified on the general website - and mostly like 3 weeks in advance (+ they never schedule downtime around examns).
It could of course be that someone made a mistake while updating the site for next year. (All course info etc needs to be updated happen about the next 3 weeks).
 
4:59 PM
can it be DOSed due to all the students?
 
DSM
Or by a student, who doesn't want to do the exam?
 
we have a physics wiki for engineering students, it always goes down before exams
 
@corvid that's extremely interesting to me
 
@AndrasDeak Lol nope, this is the holiday examn period.. Typically very few students actually do those resits. Oh and they have a good direct connection to the internet (how you call that top level again).
 
5:00 PM
it's not just bandwidth; it's also about the load the servers can take (right?)
 
Never ever the website was dossed (Though actually it ran in the past quite a few illegal virtual torrent services on its server).
 
number of requests, queries, etc (right?)
 
@WayneWerner I feel like most people here use postgres for data persistence, and it makes a pretty huge difference, I'm surprised it's faster than GO
 
@AndrasDeak That would mean it happens more often.. But from all the sites I know the tudelft site has hardly ever failed. I know it will be fixed soon, problem is "soon" is really not nice when you have an examn over the weekend and you're just at the last few steps.
 
OK, I'm out of ideas:)
fingers crossed
 
5:03 PM
Oh great site returned with default "apache server installed, this is a test page"
Did someone really press the "delete" button?
 
@corvid wow, interesting blog
 
one of the programs worked much better than anticipated?
 
@corvid With the single threaded caveat. Though I suspect careful crafting of multiprocessing might equate in the same sort of performance?
 
you mean, it is measured against a single-threaded go routine, or that it must be single-threaded?
 
back up fully :).. Well back to studies for me thanks everyone
 
5:18 PM
That EdgeDB also looks interesting. Cautious optimism
 
@corvid it's measured against a single-threaded go routine. Well, GOMAXPROCS=1
 
Yeah, I wondered about that
Why would an async solution not crank it up on the CPUs?
 
Does flask have middleware that can do some task and pass it on to the next handler? I think there's before_request, but I can't find how to pass down the data to the next routes.
oops, dumb question
 
@RobertGrant because Python is single threaded
 
Hi guys! Hi, other Wayne. Cucumber, or something... I always forget which vegetable I type when :)
 
5:28 PM
asyncio is (by default, anyway) just about reducing IO blocking time
 
:O
Fed up of Ruby again?
 
You upset Fizzy by not saying Cabbage.
4
 
<_<
 
We were just talking about the doc beta over in the Ruby room. I was speculating that the Python community here would make good use of the docs, since you've put much effort into creating canonical questions for Python. I was wondering if you were migrating some of those over to the docs section.
@Ffisegydd I'm fed up with everything. Always. I'm that programmer you can't make happy :)
 
@WayneConrad it's funny because official python docs are great
 
5:30 PM
lol
 
@Wayne yeah we hate the docs.
 
and docs are not even docs, they're Examples
depending on which part of the staff you ask
 
To say we've been in revolt over there is an understatement.
We made an Anti-Docs Team (when Teams was still a thing) that got us in some hot water.
 
Bahaha!
 
Fizzy's even decreased his Hausdorff dimension by 0.23 in protest
 
5:31 PM
I love you guys.
 
@WayneWerner yeah, I guess I don't know enough about these things - in my brain it seems that you could make a Python process per CPU and that gives you full concurrent and parallel, but having never done stuff like that it's probably never that simple!
 
Some people got so into it with the CM team that they got suspended (for like 15 minutes, but whatever)
 
@Ffisegydd originally 24 hours
 
watches Fizzy brush some invisible lint off his shoulder
 
umm...I've seen the chat ban meta today. Now I can't find it :O
 
5:33 PM
@Ffisegydd You know, we should create an avatar ribbon or something to commemorate that.
 
oh lol, looking in the wrong place
 
@Zero #RememberTheFour.
 
@WayneConrad here
 
so have all members of the anti-SOD team been marked as the bad boys on the block?
 
don't miss out on all the drama:P
 
5:34 PM
are we the hooligans of the SO world?
because that's pretty bad ass
 
@idjaw as good as a tattoo, right?
 
Now I feel left out. I wonder if I can be made an honorary bad boy retroactively.
 
Some of the changes lately have definitely been a step in the right direction, but there's some of us that feel the Docs themselves just aren't worth it (for Python anyway)
 
@RobertGrant Yeah, you can do that - that's what multiprocessing is for
 
Yeah
 
5:36 PM
and it works great, mind you (multiprocessing, that is)
 
s/good/badass/
 
@WayneConrad If you want to join the Anti-Documentation Party, you have to really hate the Romans^H^H^H^H^H^HDocs.
 
@Ffisegydd wow
WOW
Only just noticed that Antti also answered there
 
Aug 2 at 14:09, by PM 2Ring
If Ripley took one look at SOD she'd say "Nuke the entire site from orbit—it's the only way to be sure"
 
5:40 PM
@WayneC how is Ruby handling the Docopalypse?
I say Ruby, I mean Rails, because that's all Ruby is good for.
 
I'm trying to not imagine Ruby as a chibi anime character, and failing to do so
 
But I must admit the recently announced changes to SOD make me a little more hopeful. Mind you, I'm still not convinced, but at least I don't feel as bad about SOD as I did a few days ago.
 
at least she's handling it well
 
@PM2Ring not quite sure how that didn't get stars
 
It's never too late. :)
 
5:42 PM
 
I starred your quote :)
 
PHP is the best one
 
@ZeroPiraeus You guys should wear a cabbage leaf on the anniversary.
 
@idjaw I guess I'm not:D
@PM2Ring or a flashmob on the tavern asking "So when are you un-shipping Docs?"
 
Risky...
 
5:46 PM
Don't be silly guys. Docs won't be here in a year :P
 
they'd love the tongue-in-cheek humour
 
It'll be SOWatches by then. Answer Help Vampires On The Go!
 
@Ffisegydd I'm one of those rare Rubyists who gets paid for doing Ruby sans Rails, but I know what you mean. We're handling the Docopalypse by pretty much ignoring it. I dipped my toe in the water over there, but found the UI kind of opaque and decided to wait for it to get better.
 
I got annoyed at the really annoying topics being requested
that made no sense
(I don't know how to Google things, so I want a document on SO for it)
 
@idjaw it's the same with Q&A, we just happen to close all that shit, and let roomba take care of the rest
 
5:51 PM
I just find it more ridiculous when someone asks for a document on a style guide, when it is clearly there in the main site.
When asking for a document, you are looking for a long detailed explanation on something
 
The whole thing is a joke.
 
If I didn't already have more rep than makes sense, I might be over in SOD whoring it up... I'm totally like that. But once I discovered I can't redeem reputation for a toaster or something, I'm like, "Meh" about rep.
 
^^ Well that is what the SO team is missing. Rep-for-things system. Special now: 50K points for an SO branded keyboard
 
In the announcement it was clearly shown how the SOD were for projects that had lack of decent docs, and how the SOD were explicitly not to just copy the existing docs, and that's exactly what has happened.
 
dun dun duuunnnnnnnn
free rep for plagiarism, and it led to plagiarism
if only we knew how people worked
 
5:53 PM
@PM2Ring I'll have to change my avatar ;)
 
I don't think otters eat cabbage.
 
Whoa, I always thought your avatar was a wolf.
 
lol:D
 
That's what happens when I don't expand user cards. :P
 
a very streamlined wolf
that evolved in the sewer system
 
5:55 PM
a sewer wolf
 
I had the same thing happen with Shog's avatar the other day. Always thought it was the silhouette of a horse standing on its back legs.
Nope, it's a guy in a fedora.
 
may I remind everybody that docs might not be docs
 
well it was kinda like your avatar, Morgan. Until I expanded it, I thought it was a videogame monster
 
No that's Morgan's face.
 
Well, yeah. I know that now!
 
5:56 PM
I should update my avatar to a more recent picture.
 
after shaving
 
And scrubbing.
 
and exfoliating
 
And nose-hair-removing.
 
5:57 PM
Recent selfie.
 
just get a new face while you're at it
 
And a new personality.
 
umm, Morgan. You forgot to clip your nails.
jeez morgan
...
 
You're all a bunch of jerks...
It's why I love you all so much. :D
 
What is this place?
 
5:58 PM
\o/
@Amal.R it's a place where dreams and questions come to die.
 
It is the formless void beneath the world tree.
 
@Amal.R This is Room 6.
 
@Amal.R That uh, that is a good question.
 
It is all of these things, and none of them.
 
cabbage, @Amal
 
5:59 PM
Room 6 is where things come, and never leave the same. Or ever leave.
If you stay long enough, you turn in to Fizzy. No one has ever tried. That's why we only have one.
 

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