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7:00 PM
i dont know
 
my favourite monday is agile monday
agile monday is best monday
 
cause you sit in meetings all day just screwing around?
 
user559633
just open this on your laptop and turn it towards the snake oil salesman/woman
 
user559633
 
hahah
finished a couple hours ago
it's just hard to sit down and concentrate after
 
user559633
7:01 PM
find him/her and do what i told you
 
being in a meeting that long
 
user559633
i don't remember asking
 
time to cast this to our build tv
 
user559633
hahaha
 
user559633
the bork bork bork is coming from somewhere inside th-bork bork
 
7:03 PM
Exec: "What is the state of the project?" My boss: "Stalled" Exec: "Why is it stalled it just started?" My boss: "Cause you called an all hands meeting"
 
this definitely beats the time someone put up leek spinner
 
the brok ?
 
anyone want to guess what I did today ;)
 
user559633
i'm going to replace my loading bars with dancing corgis
 
@JGreenwell I'm seeing some words in my mind's eye...
Docs...Plagiarism...Crying...
 
user559633
 
user559633
i'm going to guess you emailed this to your boss
 
user559633
with the subject line "right away sir"
 
And some more... NLP...Research...Bullshit Industry Terms...
 
doesn't research always go hand in hand with ever changing industry terms
 
i hate dogs
 
7:07 PM
which execs don't even use right so even when you look up what they are it doesn't help
 
careful. We have some dogs here.
 
still have no idea what was said in one of the meetings grumble
 
@idjaw Feeling the hate from the new guy... I'm just going to sit in the corner and sulk now...
 
gives scooby snack we love you pup
 
user6426692 just hasn't met the right kind of dog :-)
 
7:09 PM
@idjaw \o/
 
I mean, he's no cat but I guess he's alright.
 
we have a lot of dogs here @Kevin
 
It must be that none of them are the right kind.
 
cats batter than dogs
 
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
 
7:11 PM
I miss my uncles Irish and Scottish wolfhounds those were really cool dogs
 
user559633
All dogs are good boys.
 
user559633
ADAGB.
 
Cool cats and I love when they hunt
 
bbiab
 
@Kevin Nice.
 
7:12 PM
I am currently on the phone with our contact at a bank who doesn't understand how encryption works, so they're calling their own customer service and conferencing me in with the hold music. Today is not a day for smart people, it would seem.
 
user559633
Is this some Animal Farm noise? I swear to god if you're trying to broaden my horizons...
 
I like my references to be unimportant enough to the flow of conversation that you can write them off as non-sequiturs if you so choose.
 
I had to pick up kids early and all I know is they're mad there are not more animal pictures today :P ;)
 
@Kevin I did not understand your words
 
@user6426692 That's fine. Nothing I say is important, anyway.
 
7:15 PM
@JGreenwell
 
user559633
 
user559633
i like to imagine the bird is screaming "DO YOU SEE?" to the fish
 
cute fishy fishy...wait a minute.
 
user559633
 
I live in Florida, my kids are used to the second one
the third one....is disturbing
 
7:16 PM
the third one looks like a zangief bird hybrid. I approve
 
user559633
 
user559633
it's an old meme, but it checks out
 
You have vague words
 
wtf is this room
I'll go back to my movie:D
 
@AndrasDeak if SOD is allowed to be a thing, then we can make this room about birds and food
 
7:17 PM
you have my approval
 
carry on everyone
 
Ah, I see we've rediscovered birds with arms. Just waiting for bears with beaks to make a comeback.
 
Do not go
I will go
 
I'm laughing too hard at my desk right now...I just looked up bears with beaks
 
7:19 PM
@tristan "Check your sight privilege, bird, not all of us have 80/20 vision"
 
user559633
 
Kevin how old are you?
 
user559633
asl kevin
 
my kid literally laughed so hard at that last one that I had trouble holding on to her
 
It is a secret, but I have left clues in this room over the many years.
 
7:21 PM
congratulations @tristan you have endangered my children with humor ;)
 
@tristan The correct counter-defense is to tell the fish "how dare you assume I identify as a bird!" and berate them for twenty minutes.
 
user559633
i was waiting for a land bridge to birds/bees non-binary explanation of reproduction
 
@user6426692 he's an old guy, but still young at heart.
 
It seems that I was persona non grata, right?
 
7:24 PM
@tristan Wait, is it the 90s again? I just threw out all my JNCO.
 
@GamesBrainiac It seems to me nice
 
@Kevin how are you man? Its been ages.
 
good you and kevin friends
 
@user6426692 I think you're having a lost in translation issue, mostly
 
@JGreenwell yes
 
7:28 PM
wait, I only have 50 rep to 1k. How'd I get...oh, right.
 
@Games Pretty good. Trying to keep busy. I'm working on a chatbot, goes by the name "Terry". Right now it's a glorified ventriloquist dummy.
Watch this. takes a deep drink of water...
 
the rain in spain falls mainly on the plain.
 
Pretty good, right? Didn't even see my mouth move.
 
user559633
@Terry what about in orange county, california?
 
@Kevin thats pretty neat man.
I'm working on making a chatbot too, I think we're going to be using the meya platform or something.
 
7:29 PM
@tristan THERE IS INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION FOR A MEANINGFUL RESPONSE
 
The rain in Orange County falls mainly on the door hinge foundry.
4
Whew, humans still beat robots.
 
user559633
More like HALifornia. Am I correct to a boolean true threshold or not, robot friends?
 
tsk, it's "THERE IS INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER". Definitely need to put more Asimov in the next round of machine learning.
 
hahahaha
Man, I read foundation ages ago.
 
user559633
todo: open robot strip club named "assimov"
 
7:31 PM
I feel like that should have been a joke in Futurama, but I can't remember it.
 
It's at the right intersection of smart and dirty.
 
Bender & Flexo episode
 
user559633
smart and dirty is college night at assimov
 
@Terry What is soylent made of
 
@GamesBrainiac That's cool. I think chatbots are one of the things every programmer should make at least once.
 
user559633
7:32 PM
well, not soy, otherwise everyone would die from lack of meaningful nutrition
 
@Kevin yea, they're just so much fun to make.
 
Along with ray casters and a Game of Life simulator, and probably a bunch of other things I'm not thinking of right now
 
user559633
i've never written a ray caster.
 
Terry hates me. My day is ruined.
 
my head
 
user559633
7:34 PM
todo: terry crews chatbot
 
squishes your head
 
double sun power
 
sorry, I was solving every possible sudoku simultaneously. What was the question?
 
I've never made any of these things, does this mean I'm not a programmer? D:
 
user559633
oh great, you programmed a 16 year old white girl chatbot, gj kevin
 
7:34 PM
it's going to tell us about it's latest starbucks creation
 
user559633
thank you idjaw
 
I need to go on some kind of sacred quest to truly achieve the title of programmer. Going with me will be my faithful sidekicks.
 
@JGreenwell squishes your head?
 
user559633
half caff soylent mochaccino
 
instagrammed
 
@idjaw I farmed out that question to my colleague SmarterChild. I won't reproduce it here, but it was super offensive.
 
@JGreenwell ha ha funny
 
user559633
I'd be interested in having a short list of code projects that we all consider to be 'foundational'
 
@Ffisegydd I haven't done them either, I can be your sidekick if you want.
 
That might be a pretty good idea @tristan
 
7:37 PM
My therapist ELIZA just said 'interesting question. What do you think soylent is made of?'. Typical topic dodge.
 
to go with the progression path question?
 
HTML Parser using regex. PHP Website. A recursive solution to something that really doesn't need to be recursive at all.
 
Can we include code golfing in that list so that I feel good about myself?
 
user559633
Not really progression path, more of "hey, if you're never coded one of these, check it out, you might pick up some cool ideas"
 
I'm only missing the HTML parser.
 
user559633
7:38 PM
10H max or something.
 
hey @JGreenwell so funny I've watched the video
 
Making a HTML parser from scratch, meaning you can't use lex/yacc or lxml, would indeed be pretty hard.
 
That depends, does it have to be a correct HTML parser?
 
I could probably make KevinScript's parser into an HTML parser, but it would be a crime against nature.
 
user559633
Sure, and that can be made into subset so it's not just a matter of throwing hours at catching all the tags
 
7:39 PM
that might be fun; could split into field so analysts/web dev/golfers don't feel bad that they haven't done all of them (and could pick from column A if they are B and need an interesting project)
 
I should have been more clear.
Gotta get that regex in there for HTML.
 
user559633
e.g. project description + explanation of what it should include/teach + tests that are either automated or checklist
 
Note: "every X should do Y" does not imply "Anyone that hasn't done Y isn't an X"
 
does it matter that my HTML parser was written in Perl?
 
You made it out alive and that's all that matters.
 
user559633
7:41 PM
selected notes: C#, D , G, B
 
Bonus points.
 
user559633
yeah, that's even HTMLer Parserer
 
user559633
that's like saying you skimmed the bible in latin
 
okay, then I've only not done PHP (thankfully)
 
user559633
php is totally serviceable.
 
7:43 PM
 
Html parser in Perl wasn't bad, URI parser in mod_perl was
 
Parsing urls and emails is messed up.
 
That reminds me. I want to name and shame Microsoft for not accepting an email address that had a plus sign in it.
 
"[a-z_]@[a-z_].com" should do.
 
I have a feeling that they intentionally rejected it specifically because they knew I was trying to use it for the gmail plus sign trick so I couldn't easily ignore their spam.
 
user559633
7:47 PM
@Kevin My application allows that, but tracks it, which I think is the far thing to do.
 
As long as you honor the arrangement and communicate with me exclusively through kevin+thing@example.com and not kevin@example.com, that's fine with me
 
really, + was allowed by MS in 2012 at least I know
 
user559633
+ is allowed per the RFC, and could even be a distinct user/mailbox.
 
Hmm, but I guess it's a gray area if you sell my identity to third party spammers and tell them "he said his email address was kevin+thing but it's probably just kevin"
 
user559633
@Kevin I most certainly do. I track it out of curiosity and to associate potential space to suggest SSO later.
 
7:49 PM
But OTOH the spammers could probably figure that out, if their IQ exceeds room temperature.
 
user559633
(\+.*)(?=\@)
 
Well, whatever. I trust tristan to not be evil, when it matters.
 
user559633
People who watch BBC programmes only on iPlayer will be required to buy a TV licence to view the content from 1 September. Good news, usenet.
 
had a email once: first."dont\spam"last@blah.com
 
7:51 PM
Hello everyone. Can someone please advise, is the following viable?
def __repr__(self):
    normal = 'Normal String'
    other = 'Other String'
    return normal if self.attribute != None else other
 
Why not try it?
 
I think it's generally recommended to use is not None rather than != None but yeah it looks fine otherwise
 
DSM
Apart from the fact that we ..
AAAARGH
 
But you should use is not None rather than !=
 
Okay great thanks.
 
DSM
7:52 PM
Even on my day off I get Kevin'd!
 
He's closer to the NY data centre.
Really he should pause for a few milliseconds to even the odds.
 
Sometimes the chatbot debug window displays messages a half a second before my browser does, so now I'm 500 ms faster than usual >:-)
 
Maybe we should get some kind of ELO rating set up.
 
If that's the case, I'm pretty sure I should be winning.
I think I'm closer than Kevin.
 
@JakeStokes you'll have more success if you explain why you're asking the question. "Is the following viable" isn't very interesting, because it can be trivially verified.
 
7:54 PM
Ah, here it is in PEP 8. "Comparisons to singletons like None should always be done with is or is not, never the equality operators."
 
user559633
Electric Light Orchestra rating set up?!
 
Thank for advice. I'm basically using that code set-up with some string formatting in place, but I'm receiving an error back: IndexError: tuple index out of range.
I was trying to work out where I've made a mistake
 
@tristan Don't bring me down.
 
I like ELO. Mr. Blue Sky is a pretty catchy song.
 
@JakeStokes see, that code isn't in any way related to that error. Try read the traceback from top to bottom, running a debugger, and reading stackoverflow.com/help/mcve.
 
7:56 PM
Index Errors usually occur when you index a thing wrong.
In practice this is usually either because the thing you're indexing has a length of zero and you didn't expect it to, or because the thing you're indexing has a length of seventeen and you're doing thing[17].
 
nice crocs brah
 
user559633
that's a cat idjaw.
 
Snerk.
 
user559633
i'm worried about you, bro
 
user559633
7:59 PM
"let's start a corporation, room/6 said. they did. nothing got done, but a good time was had by all"
 
they always make fun of me, mom
 
nothing got done? I assumed we'd at least decide on lunch
 
are you kidding me?
That would be the hardest decision we would have to make
 
user559633
we'd probably argue on poutine purity and/or chips v. crisps until we all agree on whiskey, oh never mind, someone fancies a gin. RIP everyone you were too weird to live
 
harder than deciding which drink to have with it?
 
8:02 PM
I see user6426692 is making friends in SOCVR.
 
I wonder if they are ever going to find the Delphi room
 
If you call the gradient operator del, del phi makes a lot of sense in many contexts. #themoreyouknow
 
@davidism Thank for your help David.. I spotted my problem.
 
and all the members of room/6 were found starved to death despite the presence of more than 7 gourmet meals. The only clue, meeting notes scrawled with hundreds of food and drink recipes and clearly visible in the middle the phrase "There can only be one lunch!"
 
at least one obvious lunch
 
8:08 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/38707189/… Exact dupe of a question they posted less than an hour ago.
I have NO idea how they made it to 22k.
 
Docs.
(back to my movie, I contributed enough for now:P)
 
time and constant posting (accepting an answer still give +2) and 0 + accepted for answer a question that was put on hold add up
edits can give +2 for a while
 
@JGreenwell and they were all bought by a taxidermist and turned in to drones
 
by intelligent cats
 
@idjaw If you make me into a drone, I just request that I be flown near my enemies until they go insane.
 
8:12 PM
record some specific phrases before you pass and have that play as you hover
 
I hope someone put that in their will before the new Ghostbuster's movie -> prove Ghost are real right as it comes out
 
@MorganThrapp stackoverflow.com/users/359862/jam Top tag is Java, so...
 
DSM
Enough said. Soon enough @Ffisegydd will be asking similar questions.
 
8:17 PM
@WayneWerner That makes slightly more sense, but still. You would hope they could manage to make an mcve and not repost their question an hour later.
I forgot how powerful Java's influence is.
 
after 6 years? nah, overcoming Java's influence takes at least 8 (soon he will be ripe, ready to interact with those outside of Java)
 
I had to write in a codebase that was RPG written in Java for more than a year. I had to ask some questions on SO, and they were sad.
 
I still teach Java (hopefully that will change to C# soon....really I'm hoping on C# that's how sad it is)
 
And that question still doesn't really have an mcve. It would be failing with a KeyError, not only returning the last item.
flips table
 
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Q: Is it possible to create a custom Jackson objectMapper for Spring without resorting to XML?

Wayne WernerIt's easy to create a custom ObjectMapper for Spring, but the configuration requires XML. I'm trying to reduce the amount of XML configuration for things that really aren't going to change without requiring a redeploy of my entire system anyway. So the title says it all - can I use annotations o...

Like... I look at that question and I still have no idea what any of it means
and I asked the question!
lol
Just create one and register it as a bean? — chrylis Mar 5 '15 at 14:32
that's my favorite
like... at least with the snarky comments we leave it's like, "have you tried calling .strip() on the string?"
That means something.... but I still have no clue what beans are in Java
 
8:23 PM
They're what you create with a BeanFactory.
Which you create with a BeanFactoryMaker.
Of course.
 
Its the <bean/> element
 
Interesting article on Labour/Corbyn medium.com/@OwenJones84/… (cc. @JRich and @Zero)
 
Heh. I love this one
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A: What is the simplest Spring (3) application that could possibly work?

Wayne WernerM. Deinum's answer led me to what I was looking for: Add these dependencies to the build.xml <include name="spring-core-3.2.2.RELEASE.jar" /> <include name="spring-web-3.2.2.RELEASE.jar" /> <include name="spring-context-3.2.2....

Simple flask app? 6 lines
 
I don't even know why you would use the second example (from your first question) but then I haven't and probably don't want to see the code
 
Simple Spring app? Sure, the code is 6 lines, but you also have like 50 lines of config before that. Especially if you include everything that comes from Maven
even if you throw in a requirements.txt file for flask, you're only up to 7 :P
 
user559633
8:26 PM
>>> import flask; flask.Flask(__name__).run();
 
Well, meaningful. I guess that one does return a 404, lol
 
user559633
good thing imports don't count
 
of course the downvote is because in Eclipse on can load a blank Spring Template and people assumed you didn't try this (or weren't asking "is this really the minimum amount of code?")
 
@JGreenwell probably
My experience in the Java camp on SO is that the enterprise mindset prevails even there, too.
 
Java is, as far as I've seen, only used in corp setting so Corp mindset is heavy
 
user559633
SO, in languages that take longer to write, is a site for getting code done so you don't get fired or fail a class.
 
Like, why teach someone how to fish when you can teach them to go to the supermarket instead?
 
or else it is intro programming students
really only seen in Corp, military and gov stuff I've done (might be weird) wasn't Java
 
user559633
what is military stuff written in? c#?
 
8:32 PM
APL?
 
FORTRAN?
 
maybe some Fortran
 
user559633
I'd happily write code for the US mil at a reduced salary expectation.
 
I would guess there's a decent amount of Delphi.
 
8:33 PM
I'm just glad that by the time I got to my Java course I had already learned a lot about Python and Tkinter
I already grokked event loops, threading
 
a lot of stuff - just never seen Java
like a lot
yes, even FORTRAN
 
the only thing I didn't already have under my belt was getting console input
I'm still surprised that Java doesn't have like... some simple way to get input from the console.
 
user559633
readline?
 
Only if you don't want to do anything useful with it
Though I guess there are some answers there that have some other options.
 
what kind of input? InputStreamReader cin = new InputStreamReader(System.in);
 
8:38 PM
Scanner was the only thing that I knew of in my Java class
 
Console c = System.console();
String foo = c.readline("message here");
but then I don't know when that class was and a lot of intro classes do not update the methods they teach (professor just repeats material cause it is hard to keep up) that well
granted, there was a great post by Joel about why Java was a terrible intro class as it does not teach concepts and algorithms well
 
Yeah, there wasn't much that I picked up new in Java, other than the syntax
 

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