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1:00 PM
but at the end of it, you have a from local_config import * which overwrites all of them/the ones it needs to do so, which you don't keep in scm
 
@Kevin what people usually do is either a config.py.example solution, or a config.default.py solution
(or config.user.py)
The one that you need to modify is usually not committed to the repository and ignored so you don’t need to care about changes in it
 
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@JonClements I will check it out later today when I'm supposed to be writing JS
 
On reflection, "but then I have to do twice as much work" isn't much of an objection when I change config.py at a rate of one line per two weeks.
 
@tristan haha - fair enough
 
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@Kevin Use my chainloader!
 
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1:02 PM
it was written specifically for this!
 
@tristan Uhh, nice
 
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There's others like it, but this one is mine. And it makes few assumptions. And isn't tailored to a framework.
 
Decisions are hard. What would my spirit animal, the noble sloth, do?
 
Can I break out into config the order in which it tries different locations for a config value? Per-config value?
 
Hark! A voice from beyond the clouds. "The simplest thing that works. Make everyone else submit a pull request if they want bells and whistles"
 
1:11 PM
@RobertGrant That sounds like the worst idea ever.
 
Yes! Then I can punt the obligation of decision to future Kevin, that scoundrel.
 
@poke you're right. I should stick to telling jokes and making silly suggestions
 
Agreed
:)
 
:) phew
 
Inform parent component of children's connection status was the last posted Q by corvid at 2016-07-29 09:31:27
Why can't I access the proper bot account? :(
 
1:13 PM
@Jon Maybe you should consider testing inside another room to not confuse others (=me)? :D
 
Was kinda hoping for our cool looking futuristic rabbit account to turn up :(
If I open up an incognito browser and try to login with the email/password, it logs me in as me as well!?
 
Things I hear all the time: "Thanks for this 22-page analysis, can you sum it up for me in one sentence"
 
s/\./;/g
Oh crap - that doesn't cover the last full stop, which is needed
 
s/\.(?!$)/;/g
 
morning everyone
 
1:17 PM
cbg corvid
 
@poke oh okay, clever
I'm not great at lookahead stuff (if that's what that was)
 
It is :)
 
@JGreenwell "No I can't." is a sentence isn't it?
 
"Its covered in the Abstract" is my usual sentence
 
@RobertGrant (?!…) don’t match if followed by …; (?=…) match only if followed by …
 
1:20 PM
On the plus side: I get to work with only Linux for the next week :)
 
@JGreenwell Do you write single-sentence abstracts?
 
Have you guys seen Google's new UDP-like protocol?
 
@poke thanks - that's a useful idiom!
 
Is there an online manual of C++ preprocessor directives? was the last posted Q by Skyler at 2010-11-15 03:20:40
 
@poke only on Tuesday
 
1:21 PM
@corvid yeah, but thanks for the link
 
@JGreenwell heh
 
For some reason I thought people had found issues with QUIC, but I barely know anything about it
 
People can still comment on closed Github issues, right?
 
^ Lies. I meant SPDY.
 
@Kevin Yes
 
1:23 PM
Ok, good. I closed github.com/sopython/rabbit/issues/11 because I finished implementing it, but I wanted it to be possible for people to keep posting images there if they wish
 
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@RobertGrant no, and that wouldn't be too hard to implement, but sounds like it would complicate debugging
 
@tristan sorry I was completely joking :)
 
@poke Aaaand there goes my productivity.
 
@Kevin You'll never be able to stop @poke from keep posting images ;)
 
1:25 PM
@corvid one thing about head-of-line issues, I'm pretty sure modern TCP stuff allows the next packets to get through on the network level, just the receiver can't process until it's got all the packets
But it does look cool
 
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@RobertGrant it's not that bad of an idea. i considered adding support for a lambda in case someone needs to add a user from ldap as a fallback or something
 
@Jon Yeah, it might be prudent to make a BUNNIES table in the database which privileged users can add to. Then they don't need to muck around with commits and such.
 
@Kevin If you do, add a post counter, so we can see which bunny is posted the most
 
Next you'll want to see which ones get starred the most...
 
Whether or not it's a good idea to tie together crypto and transport layer is another matter
 
1:28 PM
So I'm looking at Issue #6: internal user notes and I'm thinking about how it ought to be designed. I can make a user script which sends a GET or POST message to the server, and gets text data back. What I'm wondering is, should this be implemented in the same process that runs Terry? Or should there be separate processes?
 
Terry?
 
Terry being "the thing that makes posts in the room and occasionally moves/unstars/kicks things"
 
So, the bot account
 
Or Fizzy
 
@poke doesn't sound quite so mysterious/intriguing if you just put it like that though :p
 
1:29 PM
Yeah.
 
Call it Fizzy, and train it with his posts to word its posts
 
Wouldn’t that be R.A.B.B.I.T’s job (once Jon figures out how to get it back)?
Speaking of user names, this appears to be a bad idea
 
Well.. I reckon we should use that account as it's got over 100 rep
 
Yeah in the long term I expect the bot to run under R.A.B.B.I.T's credentials
 
Especially when 'Kevin' is an authorized user name.
 
1:30 PM
UDF not updating when rows inserted was the last posted Q by click here at 2016-05-12 10:19:18
 
@RobertGrant Yes, modern TCP stuff can use the selective acknowledgement option to avoid retransmission from the point of failure, which is what naiive TCP would do.
 
@poke Haha, yeah. At the very least it should be keyed off of user id, not name.
 
Also, I think @Jon and @Kevin should actually work together instead of doing what you do right now… xD
 
I was aware of that security hole when I wrote it, but then forgot about it -_-
 
@holdenweb that's the puppy!
 
1:31 PM
It seems that Jon has a full permission system already working
 
no persistent storage though
I just wanted to try out a few ideas... Kevin can just take what/if any bits he wants :)
 
The persistent storage would be easy to integrate because nearly all of it is sitting in the one dbmodel.py file.
 
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@RobertGrant why not? you logged in to chat here
 
@JonClements Yeah I definitely want to take that event registration thing.
 
user559633
crypto without access is a superfluous endeavor
 
1:34 PM
... And the permission system probably. I haven't read through it all the way.
 
@tristan yeah but that lets me use TLS1 or TSL1.2 or nothing without changing the TCP spec, and I can mix and match implementations of each
Whether that's worth having in practice is another question, but it's just a $thing
 
 
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Oh, i think we're talking about different things. I'm just trying to type vague things that sound impactful and deep
 
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@tristan you're not alone, brother
@corvid it'd be interesting to see if the protocol could dynamically adjust that 10% Forward Error Correction amount depending on the level of packet loss
 
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1:37 PM
just have it log ascii pictures of kittens on packet loss
 
I think you need to make an account called prescient_rabbit for this program.
 
user559633
The year is 2017. Python chatbots have caused the heatdeath of the universe.
 
grrr...why can't business people use LaTex
 
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Maybe some are allergic
 
Actual Lol
 
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1:40 PM
That was my excuse, back when I used an identity named Scott ... and you've edited it
 
I tend to do that a lot ;)
 
@RobertGrant I'm just wondering if this will increase the viability of games on the web
 
I was just cue-ing up a Nitrile joke as well.
 
Whoops, I pushed some debug-only cruft to the repository. Let's see, where's the unpush button...
Ah, too much work. I'll just push again.
 
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make sure to force push and then shout down any complaints with "STAR WARS"
 
1:44 PM
Way ahead of you. I am already shouting "STAR WARS". I do it pretty much constantly.
 
I think that QUIC is interesting, thanks for link @corvid.
 
heheh. Just had a decent conversation about genome pairs with someone because they were shocked that I had no knowledge of them what-so-ever (but have written a bunch of biopython and analysis application for my sister, whose major is something Biology....I actually forget that too).
dude just would not accept the answer that "patterns are patterns"
 
web2py GAE connection issue with google cloud SQL was the last posted Q by Davy at 2015-05-31 17:15:17
 
So I'd like to have separate processes for the bot and the user-script endpoint. Is it a problem that both of them will be talking to the database simultaneously? Both of them will need be able to create/read/update/delete rows.
For example, Terry keeps track of "number of kicks", and the user-script will query that same data so it can display it in each user's info box.
It's not a huge deal if the user-script gets an old value from one commit ago.
 
@Kevin well... also in that repo you can find a file called sse.py which does a websocket message queue using redis, and there's a proto_listener.py that pushes into it - might be able to baes something off that
Adding a legend to PyPlot in Matplotlib in the most simple manner possible was the last posted Q by Games Brainiac at 2013-10-01 16:53:05
 
1:53 PM
Cool. Websockets aren't constrained by same-origin policy, right?
 
Why is it only 3pm? -_-
 
I'm definitely interested in doing push-style notifications if at all possible.
Basic use case: when a user gets kicked, his kick_count increments and the userscript endpoint pushes that new value to each interested party.
Although, hmm, then the bot and the endpoint need to talk to one another, so does it still make sense to make them separate processes?
 
Well the bot could push to a central queue
And then the queue is pushed to people who register interest.
 
When to do or not do INVLPG, MOV to CR3 to minimize TLB flushing was the last posted Q by Antti Haapala at 2015-02-07 11:00:12
How can I force users to perform SVN commits through arcanist? was the last posted Q by QuestionC at 2016-04-14 10:44:15
 
@Jon Can you add quotes to that please? This is really confusing me.
 
1:59 PM
@JonClements sp?
 
Sure, I like queues.
 
Whoa, we got a login bot?
 
If you mean "we got a bot that can login?", yes.
 
What's he meant to be showing?
 
2:01 PM
We got a bot that can tell when we login
 
@JonClements filter ro's pls
 
No. But we got a bot that can tell when we enter the room.
 
@Ffisegydd Last question posted for people joining the room
 
field trips from school are going through the office :| I never realized how irritating kids are. Being a teacher must be way harder than a software engineer
 
Go write a RFC, Kevin.
 
2:01 PM
Ah it's joining I see.
 
Or configurabme whitelisr
 
Have you invented a custom protocol for moving data between bot and server? If not, why not? It's like bike-shedding but extreme.
 
Dorry phone cbg
 
Importing installed package from script raises "AttributeError: module has no attribute" or "ImportError: cannot import name" was the last posted Q by idjaw at 2016-03-27 13:27:05
 
@Antti It’s only experiments so far.
 
2:02 PM
boom shakalaka
cbg
whaaadup
 
cabbage
 
jQuery's data() function does not seem to be working right. was the last posted Q by Neal at 2016-06-14 10:26:45
 
Is the eventual point of this to only message if the question was asked < 2 days?
 
The point is to experiment
 
@Ffisegydd yeah... got bored for a bit and was hoping someone else would do a PR :)
 
2:05 PM
Issue #2 doesn't specify how recent is "recent", but more or less
 
@Jon You apparently don’t have enough things to moderate
 
I'm allowed a day off here and there :)
 
Oh, Issue #1 does specify. Yeah, "less than 2 days"
 
How do I output lists as a table in Jupyter notebook? was the last posted Q by Wayne Werner at 2016-02-02 12:40:45
@Ffisegydd it also does a bit of checking for people that smuggle links in...
Jon Clements just posted a link to Automatically setting getter, setter and deleter in python by Ffisegydd first posted 2013-12-13 15:08:23
 
ugh
 
2:07 PM
Jon I'm glad you've got this question stuff working because I super didn't want to do it.
 
Umm... I'm glad I've just killed it as that would probably have triggered as well
 
I did link checking with IRC bots back in the days… but then we had colors, so it made it really well parseable for the eyes. Like this, it just sucks. :/
 
When the bot has its own user it'll pop better.
 
We could add custom tags to messages and have a userscript pick them up and modify the css to give colour!
 
2:10 PM
Adding issue #14, "colors" to the backlog... :-P
 
There are no colors on sochat
 
Sure it'd make the transcript look like a mess to others, but who cares about them?
 
I wouldn’t want a userscript to make chat usable
I’d prefer going to IRC then…
actually, that isn’t the worst idea I had today.
 
Adding issue #15, "mirror all messages to a parallel IRC channel"...
 
2:12 PM
Just having a tag on the messages would make them stand out too.
 
@Kevin you're awesome for working on rabbit <3
 
typo stackoverflow.com/q/38697035/344286 (y u no cv yet, davidism?)
 
I just learned chromes 404 page is a playable game. The fact that I did not know this until now, I feel like I don't deserve the Internet.
 
We need to get rabbit to be a big enough project that it gets its own real tag on SO.
 
2:14 PM
Why are tags in chat still boxy and non-flat?
 
Because SE spent all their dev-dollars on Docs and Teams..
 
Different CSS?
 
@WayneWerner That’s obviously the technically correct answer here.
Not what I was looking for though xD
 
I guess what I meant is that they didn't hook up the chat CSS to the main site CSS
 
2:16 PM
@corvid already pretty viable, just that most games use UDP
I guess QUIC might mean they don't have to roll their own networking on top of UDP quite so much
 
Which would seem like the legit thing to do
 
@Ffisegydd love that line
 
@RobertGrant Yeah, that's what I mean, a game like World of Warcraft would use UDP, right? So if web used UDP I feel like certain things could be done like games
 
Why mention WoW!? I just want to go back D:
 
Legion might be pretty okay maybe probably not not really
 
2:18 PM
Yeah, I guess Counterstrike would use it as well
Watches tristan's icon fade just after Fizzy's
 
UDP is ideal for real-time games because you don't care about the past
At least, not much
You really only care that there's not too much drift
And of course you want to make sure that the server is the source of truth
with the web, it's kind of a problem if half of your page goes missing
or even a couple of words
 
UDP would make online shopping and banking "interesting".
 
trololol
 
We just had a client print out an email, take a picture of them holding it, and then email us that picture to let us know that they were missing a different unrelated email.
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I am done with this week.
 
> We're missing an email that isn't this one. We got this one. If we had the other one, we totally could have printed it out, too!
 
2:27 PM
It's from their head of IT too.
 
@MorganThrapp Time to leave the office for a short walk, methinks.
 
I'm honestly amazed. I want to know the thought process that goes into something like that.
 
Interview completed; now we wait
and man, I hate waiting
 
@MorganThrapp Reminds me of this one situation where a client took a screenshot, printed it, and wrote some (illegible) stuff on it before sending it back per FAX…
 
@MorganThrapp this is reminding me of m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr3bWDBWnPE
 
2:31 PM
@MorganThrapp "Thanks, but can you include the printer you used in the photo of the print-out of a different email? It's important."
 
@poke I've had a client email it back after drawing on a screenshot, but fax is another level.
@idjaw Hahahaha.
 
Yeah, needless to say that the FAX quality destroyed every hope in being able to read what they wanted to tell us…
 
@MorganThrapp I'd just assume this is a crazy person therefore all thought processes are random or undefinable
 
@JGreenwell This particular client had SEEMED sane in the past. I have my doubts now.
 
all crazy people seem sane until it is proven otherwise
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2:36 PM
@JGreenwell Nowadays, I’m leaning towards defaulting to the crazy…
 
except for British people who are all, apparently, mad
 
@JGreenwell that's "Mad" with a capital "M" thank you muchly!
 
apologies
 
You say that like us Americans are any better. Have you seen the last two years?
 
@poke Reminds me of the horror stories where organizations won't accept a copy of their drivers license, but a fax is OK
like... guys, do you not understand how anything works?
 
2:38 PM
@poke living in the US I assume we are all sane except me because that seems more probable then the alternative
 
@WayneWerner Floo powder or something?
 
@JGreenwell Your new address: JGreenwell, Outside The Asylum, US
 
@MorganThrapp headdesk
 
@holdenweb Yeah, that was essentially my reaction.
 
@RobertGrant Reckon we should give him some toothpicks?
 
2:41 PM
:)
 
@WayneWerner small minds will always find little things to focus on to stop them from having to tangle with the really gnarly problems.
 
@JGreenwell Halibut
 
@holdenweb I guess that's the difference between us and them, eh? We want to tangle with the really gnarly problems
 
@WayneWerner we had that rule in the military 'cause "it is possible to track transmissions from faxes but their is no way to determine where the copy was made" - even if it was made in the office and observed by the actual personnel (who log all copies made by people from outside the office)
 
niiiiice
There's a fundamental misunderstanding about how the path works
maybe a dupe, if there's something useful about paths somewhere
 
2:51 PM
it's a nice day outside he says to distract himself
 
@JGreenwell the thing about waiting is
 
Why does everyone on LinkedIn hope I'm well?
 
cause you have Dr. attached to your name and its always nice to be nice to Doctors? (cause you never know when one will have a blue box)
or some other random reason that basically comes down to people are weird and have random-ish shared patterns
 
It was more of a comment that every single recruiter ever always starts with "Hope you're well." :P
 
cause they all use the same template :P
 
2:56 PM
@Ffisegydd because they fear what you might do if you weren't.
As they should, of course.
 
Oh, yeah the Let's All Wish This Guy Well group on LinkedIn. Wondered who that guy was.
 
as we all do
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd That's a typo. They're hoping you're a well. For fetching money out of.
 
It's simple. Parasites prefer a healthy host.
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user559633
Kevin's is better.
 
2:59 PM
Ooof. Same joke from Kevin and Tristan but I think Kevin wins.
 
@Kevin is it like nits saying "I hope your scalp is clean"?
 

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