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8:03 PM
@MooingRawr You just need to use some stackless python
 
Does stackless support python 3?
Or is the answer "just use Go in that place you pleb"
 
DSM
There are a surprising number of images on the web with pythons crawling through carved pumpkins.
 
user559633
verifying that reminds me that i really don't like snakes. i blame genetic memory from my irish ancestors
 
@WayneWerner TIL what a stackless python is. I never knew I wanted something I didn't know about this badly
 
Yeah, it manages to power EVE online surprisingly well. They have a pretty insane amount of things that they're able to track using it
 
8:09 PM
I wonder if I can create a game server on that......
 
user559633
you can!
 
Sorry I wonder if I can create a strong enough server to support 100s - 1000s of players at once.......
I wonder if it's as strong as Erlang for servers.
 
you can!
 
user559633
it depends!
 
Do it, you won't
 
8:10 PM
EVE has 100,000's of players at once
 
Eve's server is built on python stackless?
 
it's tricky business, though
a substantial amount of it, yeah
there was a really good python podcast about it
 
user559633
computers! they're everywhere!
 
I wonder if it's open source ( at work and they banned eve stuff since someone was playing at work last year )
 
I believe that's the episode
eve, or stackless? Because no and yes
 
user559633
8:12 PM
@MooingRawr wait, you can't google "eve" at work?
 
user559633
Do you work for North Korea? If so, oh man, wait until you hear about "food." You're gonna love it.
 
Does anyone know if pip has a way to guarantee that it will look in a directory for a wheel before falling back to pypi? Seems like I've tried things before that didn't work the way I thought they did
 
user6568562
Cbg everyone
 
user559633
 
OMFUG?
 
user6568562
8:17 PM
Oh my fucking unwitty God, I suppose. Because, let's face it
 
user6568562
And yo @tristan, you rule man
 
user559633
@BhargavRao other ...methods? for uplifting gormandizers
 
user559633
CBGB was a New York City music club opened in 1973 by Hilly Kristal in Manhattan's East Village. The club was previously a biker bar and before that was a dive bar. The letters CBGB were for Country, BlueGrass, and Blues, Kristal's original vision, yet CBGB soon became a famed venue of punk rock and new wave bands like the Ramones, Television, Patti Smith Group, Blondie, and Talking Heads. From the early 1980s onward, CBGB was known for hardcore punk. One storefront beside CBGB became the "CBGB Record Canteen", a record shop and café. In the late 1980s, "CBGB Record Canteen" was converted into...
 
wim
 
user559633
@randomhopeful not sure what i did to be told that i rule, but oh hell yes, thank you
 
8:18 PM
Country Blue Grass Blues and Other Music For Uplifting Gormandisers
 
@KevinMGranger Ah. That.
 
user6568562
@tristan You know you rule, man. But your secret is safe with me, except when I say it on chat
 
Or so I've been told.
 
user559633
@randomhopeful thanks ;) (the check is in the mail)
 
TIL wim is a memer ....... never expected that lol
 
user6568562
8:19 PM
My affinity isn't for sale, man
 
user559633
(your bonus check is in the mail too)
 
user6568562
@wim I'd make a better "everything's fine" mascot than that mascot, no pressure
 
user6568562
On that note, what's with the Big O ... Aren't we supposed to be special in this universe or something ?
 
@MooingRawr One doesn't expect wim not to do anything.
 
user559633
 
8:30 PM
I think this tristan guy has a set of all the comic fonts on earth
 
user6568562
Well, he does have a point, there
 
I don't think he would have comic sans! no sane person would enjoy that in their collection
 
user559633
googled "handwritten font .ttf" + scanned for results that have numbers and are decently bold (so visible in thumbnail), copy paste in 45º angles left to right to match brush stroke, add text with lazy joke, ship it
 
user559633
oh crap, i just gave the recipe to automate me out of this room
 
Heh, You can't even delete that now
 
wow, Even you use the orderedlist theme for your website. :)
 
user6568562
@PeterVaro Hypergamism, dude. It's no one's fault
 
stackoverflow.com/q/40350219/2301450 as dupe (the link is in the comment)
 
work is over for me so Rhubarb all
 
Rhubarb @Moo
 
user6568562
8:45 PM
@MooingRawr Tchousse, five days and a weekend !
 
user559633
@KevinMGranger github.com/KevinMGranger/tristanbot/issues/1 opened an issue on tristanbot. please let me know what you think
 
XcQ, Never Gonna watch that
 
user559633
Your loss. The presenter is a engaging and he really cares about his subject material
 
I'm only a couple minutes in, but it's a fantastic talk.
 
user6568562
 
8:50 PM
Funnily, I developed a bot using that talk. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33796008#33796008
 
user6568562
I just hope that moment didn't come back to haunt him
 
Did I just dodge a rickroll
 
user559633
idk what they're seeing. maybe it's a halloween thing at youtube
 
Yeah, Looks like that
 
2spoopy4givingyouup
 
user6568562
8:52 PM
It's one of the top ten fakest genuine smile ever recorded is all
 
@KevinMGranger Expected you to say something like this github.com/pypa/twine/issues/153#issuecomment-168131494
 
Welp, we've come full circle for the day. That's my queue to leave.
 
DSM
Sounds like a plan. Off to fit some gym time in before the evening's festivities.
Spooky rhubarb for all!
 
This is weird, I linked that in the room a few hours ago and it got 30 extra reactions.
rbrb DSM
 
Welp, it's time to go home. There is no more productive work happening in my brain.
 
8:58 PM
Rhubarb Morgan
 
user6568562
Oh, it's Halloween
 
user559633
haha yeah, i think productivity is done for the day
 
So you'll change the avatar tomo?
 
user559633
no promises
 
Alrightly then, I'll pack my bags and leave too. Rhubarb all
 
9:04 PM
yay new election
 
user559633
@vaultah oh?
 
They just announced this year's moderator election meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/337191/…
 
user559633
oh :(
 
@vaultah running again?
 
I'll consider it
 
9:08 PM
I guess I'm 40/40 there
 
haha, BR already kissing babies in the front line;D
 
All the best to the future candidates. — Bhargav Rao 5 mins ago
;)
 
I've always left those comments. Even in the previous elections.
 
user559633
same
 
9:11 PM
sure, I was trying to make a politically themed joke that wasn't funny
 
user559633
sometimes i forget people take stackoverflow seriously
 
wim
A little too seriously for my liking
 
What do you mean by "taking SO seriously"?
(Sorry, It's a bit late in the night and I am unable to think properly.)
 
user559633
@BhargavRao look in threads with SO corp employees and look for the obsequious comments. you'll find them.
 
9:25 PM
good word
 
@AndrasDeak Got it now. Thanks
 
user559633
anyone have a list of words we're not allowed to say on SO?
 
rep whore:S
anything that trips Queen's regexp
 
user559633
what else? it has to do with a question i'm asking on meta
 
user559633
Queen?
 
9:33 PM
I don't think there are explicit rules
most of it is community moderation
Queen bot, Heat Detector therein
generally, "not Nice" words are bad:P
 
> Sorry, but pony 0.7 requires Python of one of the following versions: 2.7, 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5. You have version 3.7.0
 
rep whore and some crap-related things are the only recent explicit prohibitions that I know of
 
I can't install a package because of this error ^
...
 
TooMuchImplementedError
 
@vaultah what's it like living in the future?
can I borrow your time machine?
Error: Hacked Too Much Time!!!
 
user559633
9:38 PM
decided not to post a question because don't care and asking about "no no words" would just bring out the persistently "triggered"
 
user559633
lol my comment got deleted
 
:/
"non-constructive"
 
@tristan "teams" "documentation is garbage", just the typical stuff
 
which is hilarious on meta
 
user559633
i'll phrase it more constructively :)
 
user559633
9:47 PM
0
A: 2016 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

tristanStackOverflow takes itself quite seriously as of late. As an unpaid moderator, where do you stand on making the site advertiser-friendly/"serious business for serious businesses" versus a place for enthusiasts to share thoughts/help?

 
user6568562
I wonder if the authors of some Python books did read the documentation
 
@tristan that question is awesome.
 
user559633
Thanks
 
user6568562
@tristan Money has to be made, resources have to be exhausted
 
user559633
lol kendra. only know that user from meta, not from actual q&a.
 
9:52 PM
that's what they do
eternal 500 rep
FWIW I only see Pekka on meta, with his 300k rep
I foresee a deletion in tristan's future:D :|
 
user559633
whatever, i think i'm about done with SO to be honest
 
user6568562
@tristan You know you can detach yourself from SO politics and just hang out in here
 
I don't think he intends to stop doing that:P
 
user559633
just lol at people not seeing the link
 
9:56 PM
well, if they think you're ranting/trolling, they'll intentionally play the fool to get it over with
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak I don't think we should speculate on his intentions besides hoping for the best
 
user559633
nah, it's the typical meta "am i saying the right opinion? am i being positive enough for senpai?" bullshit
 
@randomhopeful okay. But he's right here, so he can also react if he dislikes my speculation:P Anyway, I'm pretty sure tristan is more reasonable than quitting sopython just because he's fed up with main
 
user6568562
@tristan People wants to get promoted by licking ass, it's uncomfortable to witness but it doesn't pose threat to our survival, so we should train to not care
 
@tristan you can also assume that all these users saw your original comment, and that priming most definitely won't bend cognitive bias in your favour
 
user6568562
9:59 PM
@AndrasDeak That's what I believe, too
 
@randomhopeful that's not it is, at all
 
user559633
@randomhopeful eh. doesn't mean that i want to prop up the community by providing content, being useful
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak yam 'em
 
yup
 
user6568562
@tristan So don't be useful to that* community, and just hang out on some calm chat where people manage more or less to communicate
 
user559633
10:01 PM
I'd prefer we all just move to slack.
 
<shrug emoji>
 
user559633
It's better there. Maybe send a missionary to SO to bring non-HVs over from time to time
 
Quick question....is it hard to merge two dictionaries into a nested dictionary?
 
user559633
@anshanno how good are you at python?
 
10:03 PM
@tristan like 6 months experience, so i'd say I am a clueless python scumbag lol
 
user559633
so maybe hard for you if you're " a clueless python scumbag lol"
 
user559633
if you want someone to write the code for you, make an stackoverflow.com/help/mcve
 
yeah my question was bad...let me re ask....Is collections defaultdict the best way to accomplish merging two dictionaries?
 
I would use that. But I'm not a scumbag, so YMMV
 
but I want to write it, I don't learn anything when someone else does it :(
 
user559633
10:07 PM
so you've tried to do this and you're stuck where?
 
@AndrasDeak thanks. I will continue my current path then because I dont like being a scumbag
 
user559633
@anshanno not knowing how to do something doesn't make you a "scumbag"
 
Actually, most scumbags don't consider themselves scumbags
I have an answer on SO that would probably help, but that might contain too much code for your liking. So follow your path for the time being:)
(the others probably have several answers on SO that would probably help)
 
user6568562
I don't understand the inability to paste some code
 
user6568562
But that's probably because human nature is as complex as it is interesting
 
10:12 PM
@tristan mostly stuck on how to handle my data structure.
Merge this
{u'INC800005014750': {u'WLG000013836464': {u'Attachment1': u'',
u'Attachment2': u'',
u'Attachment3': u''}
with
{u'Additional_Details': u'',
u'Incident_ID': u'INC800005014750'}
where I have many u'WLG000013836464 for each u'Incident_ID
 
user559633
oh, and you want incident_id: [list of WLG] ?
 
trying to make another key - worklog that contains a list of WLG#####
Yeah :)
 
user559633
Cool, yeah, that's not exactly "merging" and in case you're still feeling down on yourself, quit it.
 
Oh, it seemed like it would be as easy as a db join until I started trying to do it
 
user6568562
Nice
 
user559633
10:15 PM
haha, there's a DB in play now?
 
no
no db
 
user559633
Oh, "as a". Sorry, rocking a sweet headache right now.
 
I was just saying before I started I thought it would be as easy to join my two dictionaries as it is to join dbs
 
user559633
yeah, yeah, that's me not reading you correctly, sorry
 
no problem, you're all good. Thanks for the help :)
 
user559633
10:17 PM
What does the actual data look like? Make a gist or pastebin or something
 
user6568562
So I was thinking, it's crazy to be right now and not diagram the sh*t out of 5 years ahead
 
user559633
@randomhopeful what do you mean?
 
user6568562
@tristan An are you happy now - how will you be happy in 5 years kind of planning
 
user6568562
happy == fulfilled and comfortable
 
==boarful, for future reference
 
user559633
10:20 PM
@randomhopeful Oh. I'm generally miserable right now, but wouldn't trade my "right now" for any other time in my life up until this point. I don't think happiness as fulfilled/comfortable is a metric that works for me though.
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak i get this reference. earlier joke boared fruit.
 
user6568562
@tristan Hmm, I can't pretend I can imagine that, but I can certainly imagine imagining it
 
user559633
5 years is a really long time in terms of human lifespan, especially pre-retirement when you actually need to do things/be places/be aggressive if you have non-trivial goals.
 
user6568562
But means sh*t in right now state
 
user6568562
I disagree, I don't see myself aggressive and I have my own scope of what is non-trivial
 
user559633
10:24 PM
I didn't mean physically/emotionally/etc, I meant in terms of "doing things that move you closer to where you want to be"
 
user6568562
So I believe you can both peaceful and non-trivial like crazy
 
@tristan http://pastebin.com/8z6Z2ftn

sorry it took so long I had to manually remove some
 
user6568562
@tristan Oh ok, I can imagine that
 
user559633
@randomhopeful Maybe. I'm kind of an insane person that's never satisfied, so I'm probably safe to ignore when it comes to "planning for happiness" style questions
 
user6568562
A celestial the f ck I care
 
user559633
10:25 PM
@anshanno it's cool. looking
 
user559633
@anshanno the worklogs are in a list container and aren't just keyed off the "INC"?
 
user6568562
@tristan I know, I know
 
@tristan Yeah they are stored separately and I can only access them by INC number so I had to iterate through and make that list of them for all INC
 
user559633
@randomhopeful if you're around the age that i think you are, if i was you, i'd optimize for learning, taking risks, and exploring the world. it's harder and harder to find time for those things as you get older/get obligations
 
user6568562
@tristan I'm 29
 
10:28 PM
@anshanno missing ' on line 16, end
 
user559633
@randomhopeful Oh, I thought you were closer to mid 20s.
 
user559633
What kind of things are you trying to plan? I try to do 1 year out, max.
 
user6568562
I don't wanna explore the world. I'm only hoping to not wake up in 20 years and say damn, I can't do sh t
 
@AndrasDeak thats my bad I manually deleted some stuff
 
user6568562
@tristan I have the mental age of a 20 year old, I'm aware of that : D
 
10:29 PM
@anshanno line 98 too
 
user559633
@randomhopeful heh, same. i'm waiting for impulse-control to kick in
 
user6568562
@tristan 10 years of shoveling ISP and big retail stores stool on the phone was mine
 
122 too
 
@AndrasDeak yeah, I didnt expect anyone to try and use it. probably everyline I deleted something is missing '
 
you might consider using an MCVE next time:)
 
10:32 PM
Yeah thats my bad. Didnt think id get so much attention!
 
but after those 3 edits your data works, don't worry
 
:)
 
user6568562
@tristan But you know what, right now can't be* traded for any other moment. So I think the trick is to prep up for a future now. A right now surprise party for the right now of all right nows
 
user6568562
If that means anything :D
 
So, @anshanno, what exactly do you want to transform into what?
 
10:36 PM
I want a new key in the top dictionary Worklog: {list of work logs here for each INC#}
@AndrasDeak I dont think that made sense let me try again
 
user559633
@anshanno I'd suggest that you look into for loops, getting keys out of dictionaries, and replacing the Incident_ID with the matching item in your worklog_list if the inner key matches the current incident_dict item as you're looping over it.
 
@AndrasDeak for each INC# I would like to add worklog: {list of worklogs}
@tristan Alright thanks :)
 
such as worklogdict['INC_1']['worklog'] = ['WLG1', 'WLG2', 'WLG3'] ?
 
@AndrasDeak exactly
 
user559633
You mentioned you want to learn and not have someone give you the answer/code, so a naive solution would basically be:

for this_worklog in worklog_list:
  for this_incident in incident_dicts:
    if this_worklog's key is found in incident_dicts
      this_incident['incident_id'] = this_worklog's value
 
10:39 PM
ah, I see, thanks for clarifying:)
 
user559633
it's surprisingly hard to write pseudocode for python
 
@AndrasDeak no thank you for helping me clarify lol
 
@tristan you mean non-working pseudocode
 
user559633
 
@tristan thanks! I'll get on it
 
user559633
10:41 PM
@anshanno good luck -- i'm sure you can get it to work.
 
yup, and indeed don't be too hard on yourself, this is a non-trivial task
 
user559633
if you see something suggesting list comprehensions, i've avoid those for a little bit until you get comfortable with how those nested for loops work
 
user559633
and as Andras's help suggested: part of solving these puzzles is clearly defining what you want the data to look like when you're done
 
Unrelated note: I'm surprised to see that pip/pip3's install of ipython ended up with a bunch of missing dependencies:S
 
user559633
alright, this headache is a job for Dr Beer, PhD.
 
user559633
10:44 PM
Have a good night Andras, Random, Anshanno
 
you too, hope you get better:)
 
So would you guys recommend that I manually model my data first before I bother trying anything?
@tristan @AndrasDeak thanks again for all the help!
 
@anshanno I believe what tristan meant is that you need to have a very clear idea of your data and necessary manipulations if you hope to implement it:)
and no worries
That clear understanding can come in many forms, depending on how you think
As for me, I like to have a hands-on grip of the problem if I try to solve it, that's why I wanted to run your data. Otherwise it takes me much longer to see how your nested nested nested data structures are organized
 
Ah, that makes sense. I will have to steal your method :)
 
as you solve problems, you'll see what you need to do to pave your own way to the solution
I usually find that if I reach a point where I clearly see what I want to do, I can implement that pretty fast
(that's what python is for: to make it so that when you actually start coding, you don't waste your time writing fluff)
OK now I need to install backports.shutil_get_terminal_size. WTF pip
 
11:47 PM
cbg
 
cbg, Kicklord
 

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