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user6568562
7:00 PM
Howdeeho [ :
 
I really like the JarJar is a Sith theory because it took a style element of the movie and turned it into a major plot point. I like it when stories take seemingly disparate elements and tie them together at the end with a little bow.
And I mean come on, the dude talked Space Congress into becoming a dictatorship.
 
@Kevin nothing like starting off a potentially awesome movie with... 5 minutes of completely mundane and boring and pointless politics
 
user6568562
@Kevin That use of imagination was so impressive
 
7:17 PM
"Build failed with zero errors". Over my shoulder, my spirit animal hovers. "You deserve this, somehow", it says. I already know.
 
wim
Q: why are python bools singletons? I can't think of any use-case
 
To save space, I expect.
Same reason they intern all the smallish integers.
 
wim
but couldn't they just have interned them like they do with small integers
 
I don't have a super strong grasp of the Python memory model but I don't know if there's any difference
 
wim
there is a difference
small integers being interned is an implementation detail, not part of the language specification
you can intern less, or more, of them and still call it "python"
but with bools, the fact that they're singleton is not only "cpython" but "python"
 
7:28 PM
Currently browsing the documentation to verify...
 
wim
to me it seems like implementation detail, having them be singleton is a useless feature and meant that subclassing the type bool had to be prohibited ... so that's a disadvantage, but what was the advantage?
 
it could be something about is False, except that rarely makes sense, if ever
 
Perhaps it saves you a few precious cycles on some common language element, such as conditionals. Being 0.01% faster for 99% of users is more useful than being ten times faster for 0.001% of users. (pulling these numbers out of thin air, obviously)
 
something with hashes?
 
My gut tells me that in C comparing a value's address to a known static address is faster than doing an equality comparison on the objects themselves
 
7:35 PM
it might matter that bools are subclasses of ints
 
no, scratch that, == already needs objects
cbg, Antti, just in time;)
>>> True = 3
  File "<stdin>", line 1
SyntaxError: can't assign to keyword
so it's not a singleton
 
In [6]: class Foo(bool):
   ...:     pass
 
Of course bool isn't a singleton. It's a doubleton ;-)
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Terrific article, thank you dude
 
7:42 PM
no worries, although I've just finished it myself and it doesn't really address the singletonness, it's about keyword vs built-in
 
"Build succeeded with 17 errors". My spirit animal says nothing. I know what it means.
 
@Kevin just fix them and see the next 341;)
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Well in my case what it addresses matters more than what it doesn't : D
 
Those errors have been there for like two years now. I can't just fix them. Whatever happened to tradition?
 
7:46 PM
PETE, Programmers for the Ethical Treatment of Errors
5
 
real talk, I hope one of the $new_hirelings can succeed where I failed.
 
Singleton-ness does guarantee that True is True but True is not 1.
 
If they can knock out those weird phantom error messages that don't actually stop the build from building, then I will award them with the most pleasing funny cat pictures in my possession.
 
@QuestionC yes, but True is not 1 doesn't need singletons, and True is True is usually a nonsense check
this only makes sense if you want to see if something's True and not just truthy...which doesn't sound like a normal scenario
 
True is True evaluates to True, but if you think about it, that doesn't really tell you anything.
 
7:51 PM
Not much, no
 
Because if True wasn't True, then a query that returns True might not actually be True.
 
x is True where x might be True.
 
True.
@QuestionC yes
 
You can prove any absurd conclusion if you start with "1 == 0"
 
<relevant xkcd link>
 
7:52 PM
though why not if x? :P
 
Because you don't want 1 to be treated as True.
 
1 min ago, by Andras Deak
this only makes sense if you want to see if something's True and not just truthy...which doesn't sound like a normal scenario
 
if your code can have both 1 and True in a variable and it makes a difference, your code sucks
 
wim
7:53 PM
@Kevin Trueception ...
 
OK I give up
 
I'm just saying, singletons is what makes X is True works, and doesn't seem to do anything else, so that's probably why it's in the language.
 
wim
Yes but my point is that that's useless
you never need to use "x is True" or "x is False"
 
I still have three and a quarter quatloos on "it's faster than not being a doubleton, somehow"
 
well if it had a clear purpose, wim wouldn't be confused
@wim never say never
 
wim
7:56 PM
even self.assertTrue(...) doesn't care
 
I see no one is willing to crawl through the entire CPython source in order to prove me wrong, so I'm just going to declare victory and escape in my dirigible.
 
wim
proof by dirigible. nice!
 
Once I reach international waters, you can't argue with me! I'm pretty sure that's how that works! Ahahahaha!
 
is None is far more useful than is True
is True even actually a singleton? I thought that None was the only one... but I haven't actually read documentation about that
 
Are you saying being nothing is more useful than being true?
 
8:15 PM
cbg
 
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Hey Antti [ :
 
Yamming google docs... I'm trying to print the published version of a spreadsheet, and it's cropping the document at the bottom of the screen
wtf google
it can partly be firefox's fault, but the fact that google doesn't do it on its own is enough for me to be angry
 
8:32 PM
google. polish a product and make it nice? wat
 
Yeah, I know, they've never polished a single product. That's why we all use Bing, right?
 
I had to open the sheet and print from there, like a savage
 
@MorganThrapp ... touchë
 
8:58 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/39986574/… Literal quote "Someone can write a complete (working) example of how to do that with a Python(2.x) script or inside a Linux terminal?"
 
bonus points for python script inside a linux terminal?
 
@AnttiHaapala Vietnamese restaurants where? Montreal?
hey that new SO users story thing is pretty nice.
I'm definitely going to work on it tonight
 
@idjaw the developer story you mean?
 
Hi there, lets say that I have a datasets that I want to classify as to belong to one of two classes I defined. I already have written the codes for the classification of the data to the two classes, What I am struggling with is how can I incorporate my algorithm inside of any machine learning library for instance Pylearn2 to predict and learn the class of the datasets?
 
I noticed clicking on it that I'm a year outddated on my SO resum
oh gosh too late to fix the typo. guuhhhh
 
9:09 PM
Grace Hopper's developer story has "the the" in it:S
 
@enderland yeah. I really like it a lot. It's nicely set up. It adds some nice information by default.
I really like it
 
I'll have to look and see
 
and honestly....this compared to the last announcement...aka SOD..it's a huge step up :)
 
red herring:P
 
oh and fantastic angry article of the day to share with you all
medium.com/@shemag8/… (NSFW Language)
@tristan ^^ had to tag you to read that too
yes yes...it's medium...but it was a funny read.
 
9:14 PM
my main issue is the idea that his issue is with "the startup world"
whereas he seems to be having an issue with web 2.0
 
Just wait until you read the last line
 
The problem is that this is a code review site and you haven't posted any code — Danielle M. 2 mins ago
a code review site?a asdfasdkfjaskl fjasdklfjsfjasdkljfklsd
 
I think you should respond with exactly that @enderland
 
hehe:D
now it has an upvote, the comment I mean
is anybody commenting?
 
9:18 PM
adsfadsfjsdjklfjadsf asdfjlkdsafklj. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
 
I don't want to pile on
but NOOOOOOOOOO
OK, I'm commenting
 
\o/
 
begun, the scope wars have
 
I went with a Canadian route and omitted a concluding remark of "no SE site ever will do your work for free"
I should have said "code review question", not site, slip of the ... uhhh fingers? — Danielle M. 1 min ago
haha:D
@DanielleM. pheeew ;) — Andras Deak 14 secs ago
 
canadian_points += 1
You're almost a citizen Andras. Almost. Not really, but keep working your way up. It's a long way for you.
 
9:24 PM
NotEnoughApologiesError
 
hehe
 
@KevinMGranger apology accepted, captain danielle?
 
@idjaw I'm not sure I want to be a citizen of a country that serves Putin as the primary national dish
 
Have you had it, though? I would want to be.
 
@AndrasDeak canadian_points -= 50
 
9:25 PM
yeah, you're right, I'm judging a book by its edible cover
I'm sure some of our local foods seem disgusting (some of them really are)
I like pörkölt a lot which is a kind of meat stew, and I guess that usually looks like cat food
 
Doesn't matter how disgusting it is, I'll try it
Anything short of rotting meat
Actually...
 
I haven't even read what poutine is about, but that's partly because I have a very bad gastronomic imagination.
 
french fries + gravy + cheese -> cheese curds
 
I haven't even read what gravy is about, but that's partly because I have a very bad gastronomic imagination.
 
you're killing me smalls Andras
 
9:30 PM
cheese curds specifically, no?
 
^^ yes
 
And if you're in American-abomination land, you can add bacon!
 
I haven't even read....ah forget it
 
edited for authenticity
America has tried to get too creative with poutine.
 
I...think I'll pass
 
9:31 PM
I guarantee once you put it in your food box, you will like it.
 
What? It was in Rochester. It was practically Canada.
 
I'm not a huge fan of cheese, especially weird clotted post-expiry-date milk type of cheese
 
cheese curds are awesome
 
@KevinMGranger I wasn't talking specifically about the bacon. (let me try to find something..hold on)
I agree with the bacon
 
possible, I don't think we have those here
 
9:33 PM
I'm whey intolerant so I can't have that part anyway :/
 
I want to give you a hug
 
we should stick to Up Goer Five vocabularies
I'm wikipediaing my ass off here:D
 
yes...I just shared a buzzfeed article
flexes come at me bro
 
BuzzFeed should pivot to being just about food. They wouldn't even have to change the name
Oxtail Gravy Poutine looks amazing, though...
 
OK, I'm definitely going to skip poutine
 
9:36 PM
Oh c'mooooon
 
@KevinMGranger I kno rite? I think it's because it uses "poutine" is why it gets the offensive tag
 
True. Poutine is not Canadian for "on fries"
 
^^ thank you!
 
Because in that case, a garbage plate would be... oh man
 
@KevinMGranger canadian_points += 1000
^^ Andras take notes
 
9:37 PM
Mmmmm, I love a garbage plate.
 
yeah yeah yeah:P
 
I already have Canadian heritage on my Dad's Dad's side. I think I'm literally Grandfather'd in?
 
Your understanding of poutine makes more sense now.
It's in your blood.
 
Have you had a garbage plate, though?
 
I've heard of this
 
9:38 PM
I don't understand the appeal of Poutine vs Chili Fries.
 
I had a great auntie (and corresponding uncle once removed) who lived in Canada...does that count?
 
My family is from Buffalo/Niagra Falls. I know my way around a garbage plate.
 
@AndrasDeak ones proximity to Quebec defines their love for Poutine.
 
Toronto
 
so depends where in Canada
Toronto == USA
 
9:39 PM
no way:D
 
Btw America. You can have Toronto
including their hockey team
 
you had me there for a second
 
I kid I kid.
That was my hockey fanaticism coming out
I'll put it away now.
 
that explains why my uncle's favourite was roast chicken with honey, instead of poutine
 
Yeah, let's not bruin the mood in here
 
9:40 PM
Sorry to my fellow Torontonians who might have read that. I love you...really...except for the Leafs.
 
blue jays ftw!
 
yeah, birds are great
blue jays especially, they're beautiful
 
Talking about hockey in here would scare the devils out of me
 
@KevinMGranger +1
@KevinMGranger it would get pretty Wild in here
 
Yep. I will always avoid it, or my name isn't gRanger
Okay now I'm stretching it
 
9:42 PM
all these hockey puns are giving me the blues...
 
cbg guys :) Hey @AndrasDeak!
 
I'm gonna make like a tree and leaf
 
cbg
@OneRaynyDay your identicon is also a victim of the mysterious gravatar issue
 
identicon?
gravatar?
 
9:46 PM
Ah interesting. I just never really took note of it much
I'm amazed that you still remember my old identicon though :)
 
it's one of those weird cognitive tricks that you can feel that something's off, even if you can't tell how things should be
for instance, I think the old one was purple, but I'm not sure
 
user559633
yeah, my gravatar is all messed up now
 
@AndrasDeak ding ding ding (Y)
 
@tristan :|
 
I've always been so happy!
 
9:51 PM
@enderland hey, you have a gravatar account
I rarely see that
 
I do
 
Luke Cage intro done using The Family Matters Intro
 
enderland's avatar displaying the Thatcher effect. Hard to spot something's off.
 
lol
 
user559633
9:56 PM
@idjaw "Fuck your startup scene with your 30 minute morning routines of reading TechCrunch, TNW, Wired, Gizmodo, Mashable, The Verge and ProductHunt- all so you dwont feel ‘left out’...Fuck your crazy work hours." amusing because i think anyone that reads techblogs all day isn't the same type to put in long hours
 
@AndrasDeak Not so hard to spot something's off, harder to spat whats off.
 
possible; I mostly see that illusion in context, so I don't have a chance to see if I notice that something's off:)
 
user559633
i'm going to start a linkedin that just serves as a tracking application for people i'd never hire. related to that medium saltmine earlier
 
Off topic because dogs, but I've been laughing my body parts off
 
that felt soooooo good
did I just win the longest chain of removed?
you can't look up (removed) in chat search
well...I think this is my cue to take a break from the internet for a short while. Time to battle traffic.
totally
I just figured I'd get rid of it from as much of the general public :) Plus I figured you also would have already read my stupidity anyway.
\o/
 
user559633
10:15 PM
:D mostly just mentioned it in case you didn't know.
 
10:38 PM
rhubarb for the night
 
user559633
have a good one
 
thanks, you too:)
 
user559633
:)
 

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