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12:12 AM
Hey I guess it's not on topic - But questions that ask: "how would I tell my computer to recognize a certain shape (linear line) in these set of points" are offtopic at SO right?
 
are you able to show that as an MCVE using code? I don't see why not, if so.
 
Well no; since the code isn't ever the problem - it's that I just can't figure out how to tell my computer "to see that thing that's obvious to the human eye"
 
what part of your computer are you trying to tell this to?
 
Well asked at math.se anyways now, hopefully it's not offtopic there XD
 
good luck! :)
 
12:15 AM
Well it's "noisy" data that consist of a non linear and linear part - and I need to programmically find the position where the linear part becomes non-linear.
Without noise it would be easy, since I could just check the change in y between each two points. - However with noise this is really troublesome
 
what are you passing it through in your computer to actually be able to even trigger this detection
 
What do you mean?
I'm just getting measurements (with error/noise) and need to analyse that
 
oh ok. That's the part I didn't quite understand and was asking about
where the data was coming from, and how you are reading it
sorry, didn't phrase the question properly
 
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> The administration's response to Russia's recent spate of stateside hacking will be “proportional” and without warning, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday.
 
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heh, we'll show you to expose corruption in our system
 
12:21 AM
i.stack.imgur.com/0QjSf.png <- this is an example of data (actually simulated data for testing right now)
 
@paul23 and the jagged lines are the noise right?
 
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And you have the raw points already and you just want to find where it's generally a linear line?
 
@tristan heheh...I do have to say...this past year has been quite the show following politics in your neck of the woods
 
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@idjaw i just hope one of these megalomaniacs doesn't try to pull russia into a pissing contest
 
@tristan Yep..they each have their own agenda on how they want to deal with that..and it is concerning.
 
12:23 AM
@idjaw yup, atm it's just normal distributed random number added to it, but that wouldn't really matter - the values are about how I would expect it.
 
user559633
bad enough we're still funding/supplying "freedom fighters" around the world, never mind entering open hostility with an actually big state actor
 
compulsory link to tristan
 
user559633
so it's like calculating a normal slope, but having a variance threshold for noisy data?
 
user559633
hah, i loved SoaD as a kid
 
I have a feeling I used to know exactly what paul23 is trying to figure out once upon a time....
and it's like at the tip of the tongue?brain? :P
I just can't really remember
 
12:28 AM
@tristan Well if you mean by "normal" a linear slope - yes. There are actually several dirty methods I could use - like a low-pass-noise filter. However these methods will get rid of the noise - but also "delay" responses: so I won't get the right answer mathematically.
Other methods would be to "linear curve fit N distance around each point" and use that linear line. - However this comes with the question "how big should N" be to average out the data, yet not ignore the actual effect?
 
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Yeah, I guess it's coming down to N in how I'm thinking about it
 
Yup: it's why I posted it at Math.SE, those people over there might actually give reasons for N other than "it feels ok with this number".
XD
 
side question: Would it be wise to suggest a very new Python learner to not install 3.6, but to use 3.5 instead?
@paul23 I think math.se is probably a good place to post this. But, I know nothing about their rules. It just seems logically a mroe math question
 
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@idjaw 3.5 is fine. For a very new learner, anything north of 3.4 is stable/fine
 
even 3.6?
 
12:32 AM
I would always suggest the newest version if you can keep in contact with the new person.
 
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@idjaw that's fine too.
 
ok..I' refrain from telling them to install 3.5 instead of 3.6
thanks guys
 
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i think the only thing that would prevent me from saying "even 2.7.8+" would be iterkeys/itervalues/iteritems differences on dicts
 
Otherwise I might suggest 3.5 since 3.6 is so new that the changes aren't explained yet in laymens terms
 
user559633
By the time a very new programmer gets to major 3.6+ things, he/she won't be very new anymore.
 
12:34 AM
@tristan Haven't checked the changes - but one might run "accidentally" into the changes.
 
user559633
I doubt it unless format string
 
user559633
(standard disclaimer: i'm an idiot and am probably wrong, so if you had a specific example in mind, please share; wasn't trying to shout down other opinions)
 
/me haven't had time to check 3.6 at all
 
me neither. That's why I'm very cautious about what I say about it.
I haven't jumped in to it at all yet
 
1:38 AM
Solved it
Basically used linear regression analysis; and the correlation coefficient. - Since I know the curve is linear "up to a point" and isn't linear after that I could just find the last point where a linear regression correlation from zero till that point is still "high" - over 0.999.
 
 
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2:46 AM
Its been quite some time since I looked at Python source code to answer a question :-)
1
A: hash() returning different values on different OSs

thefourtheyePython's string object uses random numbers to generate hashes. If we look at the source code, static long string_hash(PyStringObject *a) { .... p = (unsigned char *) a->ob_sval; x = _Py_HashSecret.prefix; x ^= *p << 7; while (--len >= 0) x = (1000003*x) ^ *p++; x ...

 
2:57 AM
Okay. And it looks like my answer is wrong... Still looking...
How can I confirm if hash randomization is enabled?
 
3:43 AM
Okay, my answer is wrong. It is not using hash.
 
4:42 AM
late night cbg
 
Morning
 
o/
 
Samsung Galaxy Not 7
 
5:27 AM
Howdy Martijn
 
5:59 AM
cbg
@holdenweb wow congrats.
 
OMGLOL
 
is that the highest level of Python you can reach?
 
1
A: My Code failed with error "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'add'"

zvoneThe problem was caused by the way BeautifulSoup constructor works. class Finder(bs4.BeautifulSoup): def __init__(self, m, page_url): super().__init__(m, 'html.parser') self.page_url = page_url self.pdf_url_links = set() As soon as BeautifulSoup.__init__ is called, the par...

 
7:20 AM
@khajvah These 4 process are communicating with 4 different robots but all 4 robots are doing the same task.
 
@AjGauravdeep are you trying to run the whole job faster by running 4 threads?
 
cbg
 
cbg, all. And thanks, @khajvah
 
@khajvah. Thank you for reading my question. Not really. Even though they are doing same task. They are completely independent.
This machine has a quad core processor.
 
the reason I asked is because only one core will be used for 4 threads
 
7:26 AM
i guessed along those lines.
 
cbg there
 
cbg
 
any other idea of what could be happening? each thread is using pyserial to communicate with these robots.
 
@AjGauravdeep what's your problem again?
 
7:46 AM
The problem is that i have a process which creates 4 threads each to do exactly same thing on different robot. PRoblem occours that 4th thread which communicates with 4th robot doesnt get to run until 1st 2nd and 3rd robot completely finishes, which sometimes takes even weeks.
all these threads are created through python threading class without any module override.
 
@AjGauravdeep that shouldn't happen unless you are using a limited thread pool. Did you forget to account for the main thread in your count?
 
i am not creating a threadpool explicitly.
 
I which case you might need to post a question on SO showing a bit more of the code
 
for robot_id in robots:
    thread = threading.Thread(target=runTest, args = (robot_id,))
    threads.append(thread)
for thread in threads:
    thread.start()
for thread in threads:
    thread.join()
if i am right i can post code here until it folds. I can delete this if i broke this page;s rule.
 
Looks OK to me
 
7:50 AM
cbg
8:50 in my office.
 
@holdenweb Thank you for looking at it.
 
Which means it's time to initialise and re-prime all of the systems before 9am. E.g., turn them off and back on again.
 
With a simple function to print, sleep 10 seconds and print again I see this:
>>> for thread in threads:
...     thread.start()
...
Thread 1 sleeping
Thread 2 sleeping
Thread 3 sleeping
Thread 4 sleeping
>>> Thread 2 done
Thread 1 done
Thread 3 done
Thread 4 done
So as I suspected, threading is working fine
Are there any exclusive locks in your code that might cause a deadlock in the missing thread, or does it just not start running?
 
 
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9:05 AM
Ah, release planning. My day stretches out before me like a trek through a waterless desert
 
cbg
 
re-Cbg
 
@holdenweb did you forget your camel? :p
brief cbg all
 
Has something changed on SO search or something? A fair amount my old stuff's been found/upvoted in the last week.
 
@JonClements o/
@Withnail Maybe somebody just likes you :)
 
9:16 AM
well, there's a first time for everything.
 
user6900888
anyone can please explain this answer in depth , sorry if my question is stupid but i am totally newbie in programming , so please i request don't downvote :(
thanks in advance
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39994167/what-happen-after-recursion-found-base-condition
 
from a relatively low number, I've added about 20+% rep in the last two weeks, and I haven't answered any questions recently.
 
user6900888
The question is about what happen after recursion found base condition :
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39994167/what-happen-after-recursion-found-base-condition
 
Cabbage.
How do I get sphinx to show something that can be understood as file content? I think I want “Source code inside a block quote with attribution”, but I can be convinced that something else might look or work better.
I thought I should get “Source code inside a block quote with attribution” by
...

    ::
            Code goes here
    --- Filename goes here
...
but that does show the literal “::
Code goes here” with attribution and not pre-formatted text.
Augh, stupid me. I forgot the blank line between the :: and the code, and for some reason added extra indentation instead.
Rhubarb!
 
9:45 AM
Cabbage
 
Sites that force me to grok American-style dates should be outlawed
So difficult
 
@Baap You may find it helpful to look at the code & explanation I wrote in answer to this question: Unable to understand this recursive turtle python code.
 
Cabbage!
 
10:04 AM
cbg
 
10:26 AM
Maybe I should look at my profile more often…
Thanks @PM2Ring
 
@poke Oops! I didn't notice that it didn't have a tag before I voted. Luckily, mine was the 5th vote, but I've since added the tag anyway.
 
Oh, you’re right! I hate when that happens xD
 
What's worse is when people remove the generic python tag; I had that a couple of weeks ago.
 
Yeah, it’s about time we get the py3 gold badges :/
 
need more practice in tag team hammering guys :)
 
10:55 AM
@Jon So.. do you have a gold py3 tag? ;P
 
I'm (very) slowly getting there...
 
@PM2Ring I thought dupe hammering referred to the original tags of the post, so it should not matter?
 
@Anaphory It looks at the current tags, that way you are not restricted by OP incorrectly tagging the question
 
And it's assumed that if you are that far up the ladder, you won't abuse edit rights. Got it.
 
@poke Current tags that you weren't responsible for editing in...
 
10:59 AM
If you last edited the question, your hammer won’t work
 
They thought of a lot of things, didn't they!
 
Indeed! :D
 
I want to get a gold badge in so I can hammer list questions in languages I don't know...
Just kidding. :D
 
There is some quality documentation on lists too: stackoverflow.com/documentation/list/topics
 
@PM2Ring strangely I think I'm closer to that than I am py3
 
11:03 AM
Ugh.
Horrible code means MemoryError, as it's loading full dataset into memory - can I hack my way past this for now by jiggering a setting in windows?
 
Martijn has gold in quite a few non-language topics, eg Unicode. But of course he doesn't need that power, being a mod. Still, it does look cute when he hammers a Unicode question.
 
I'll fix it with iterators once I've unravelled it properly, but I need to run this about three hours ago.
Like... if I increase the paging file size? /ifeeldirty
 
Are you using the 64bit version of Python?
 
looks
headdesk no, of course not.
 
@PM2Ring I don't think I was going for cute when I asked for this - but okay - I'll go with it :)
 
11:09 AM
@Withnail I don't know Windows, but that sounds like it ought to work. But it may run at a snail pace.
 
Working & slow is better than not, atm.
double facedesk - I need to reboot the machine to take advantage of that.
 
@JonClements: figured it would be more effective to ping you here instead of Slack to remind you about something :)
 
@vaultah ahh yes! No worries ;)
 
@Withnail Another option is to use a mmap file, but that may require a bit of time to add to your existing code, and if you don't need random access of the file then simply using an iterator is probably more sensible.
 
Trying to toss up between going for that fix now and hacking through in meantime - problem is there's probably a day's work in understanding wtf is happening in this 600 line function. :o|
 
11:14 AM
@poke Umm... 1929 here... but that's probably 2/3 months
 
I don’t think it has been that long for me… ^^"
 
How would I get an shlex.unquote() for checking what file some simple code example might want to access?
 
cbg all
 
And good brassica to you!
Would that just be shlex.split() and expect it to be only one element?
 
@poke You and your pesky scoring rep from answering questions! :p
 
11:30 AM
rhubarb for lunch
 
@JonClements Shame on me. At least I’m not writing documentation!
 
@poke I hear that's where insanity lies...
 
Yeah, I’m trying hard to avoid it.
Can’t take even more insanity in my life right now
 
11:46 AM
@JonClements do you have any ninja documentation powers yet?
 
halo ey1 :D
 
hello
 
12:20 PM
@Baap - I wrote an answer to your recursion question, and would appreciate knowing if it is helpful
 
@holdenweb hey you passed 10K as well. Welcome to the show
 
:-)
 
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@holdenweb thank you very much for writing answer , But i understood , i think i was missing stack , i didn't know recursion uses stack , now i got it why its giving result in reverse order because recursion always take values top of the stack so basically i leaned
 
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that recursion first arrange all values in activation record of stack in normal order later when it found base condition it stop and now it return values from top to bottom of stack , that's why these output will be in reverse order . I am getting right ?
 
@Baap just a note, if an answer helped you, you should mark it as accepted. You actually have asked a few questions already and hardly any of them have been accepted.
You should probably revise those questions, and mark the answer that helped you achieve your solution.
 
12:26 PM
The right idea, but the conception is a bit vague. Basically namespaces are popped on to the stack each function call and popped off each return, so every call of the function has its own namespace. This means that one call can alter variable values without affecting other calls.
So the top namespace on the stack only exists until the call is over. But i fhte call happened from inside another call that other call's namespace will be on the stack, waiting for the call it made to return
Time for my next meeting. le sigh
 
have fun @holdenweb cheers
 
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@holdenweb i understood but now i have new doubt about two recursion in single block !
 
@Baap Just in case this point isn't totally clear, what holdenweb is saying about the call / namespace stack happens for every function, not just recursive functions. It's basically the machinery that supports functions having their own local variables.
 
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@PM2Ring yea stack using in every function i got it , bt i am confuse with two recursion output
 
Can someone help me with this question its not old but its important for me to solve stackoverflow.com/questions/39993619/fast-i-o-in-python#
 
12:37 PM
No.
 
@Baap Like this?
def fib(n):
    if n < 2:
        return n
    return fib(n-1) + fib(n-2)

for i in range(13):
    print(i, fib(i))
 
@johnsmith please read the room rules: sopython.com/chatroom
> Do not link your recent (< 1-2 days) questions in the room. The main site is the dedicated space for posting questions, and having them answered.
 
That's a recursive function for the Fibonacci numbers. The double recursion makes it rather inefficient, but there are ways to improve it.
 
@Baap CPython actually doesn't use a "stack", its activation record comprises "frames"
 
user6900888
@PM2Ring yea that like ! or should i say tower of hanoi
 
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12:40 PM
def countdown(n):

if n == 0: # this is the base case
return # return, instead of making more recursive calls

countdown(n - 1)
print("hello")
countdown(n - 1)
print ("hi")
# the recursive call

countdown(3)
 
user6900888
@PM2Ring i am trying to understand this
 
@Baap ctrl-k!
 
user6900888
@AnttiHaapala bUT their method would be same ?
 
stack and frame are both implementation details of an activation records
 
@Baap Conceptually, it's still a stack. At this stage of your learning you don't need to worry about the implementation details.
 
12:42 PM
morning everyone
 
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@PM2Ring But i am not getting clue how its giving output and how's its printing
 
yeah stack-the-data-structure, not stack-the-thing-as-it-is-known-in-C
 
@AnttiHaapala Indeed!
 
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@corvid morning every morning (because i am learning recursion)
 
@Baap well, in principle every function call is atomic from the point of view of the caller
 
12:46 PM
@Baap how's that working out?
 
... and everything that happens before the function call is sequenced before the function call, and everything that happens after the function call is sequenced after the function call...
 
@Baap It's printing because you call the print() function. :) To be honest, I don't think that countdown() function is a very helpful example. Did you take a look at the Turtle example I posted earlier?
 
... and every function has its own local variables (here the argument n)...
 
user6900888
@AnttiHaapala are you tlaking about head and tail recursion ?
 
Obvious XY question: is there a way to stuff data into stdin so that the next time I call input, it returns my data right away instead of waiting for the user to type something?
 
12:48 PM
@Baap no.
 
>>> sys.stdin.write("Hello, World!")
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
io.UnsupportedOperation: not writable
 
user6900888
sorry i meant what you said its related to head and tail recursion
 
@Kevin C has a thing called ungetc,
 
user6900888
in head recursion it print first but in tail it first finish recursion then print
 
but the standard says that only a buffer of exactly 1 byte is guaranteed ;)
 
12:50 PM
Actual problem: I want to determine how fast input() can execute on my system. But quickly browsing through the timeit documentation I don't see an obvious way to automatically supply input to stdin
 
lol.
@Kevin and: wat.
 
@Kevin I don't think so. In C, the standard library allows you to push data to stdin, but it's only guaranteed to accept a single char. It's intended to make life a bit easier for parsers, not as a general way to stuff arbitrary data into the input stream.
 
that must be like the Z level problem already
since you'd be timing just the buffering, not prompt, possible input line editing and whatnot.
 
user6900888
I am asking to all geek here , which one book you would suggest for fundamental of programming
 
@Kevin Erm, just pipe it in from another process.
 
12:51 PM
... and what would you do with the information anyhow.
@Baap SIICP :P
 
It's for a question on the main site, natch
 
@Kevin idk what really are you trying to accomplish here, but this really is pointless.
why'd you time input
 
@PM2Ring Yeah, I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that because whenever I use popen I end up cursing a lot and laying on the cold hard ground
 
it makes as much sense as would measuring the length of your coffee.
... it depends on how you pour it on the floor...
 
@Kevin Why bother with popen? Just do the piping on the command line.
 
user6900888
12:54 PM
I am hearing too much about sicp , how long it would take ? and its on c or for any language ?
 
@Baap no, it is Scheme
 
@AnttiHaapala Because the question on the main site is "I think input() is slow, please suggest a faster alternative". OP is doing one of those SPOJy challenges and has to read ten thousand integers before his program can execute.
 
user559633
i think Scheme is relatively niche because emacs/edwin has such an unforgiving learning curve
 
And I want to say "input() is not slow, you're probably using an O(N!) algorithm or something"
 
@Kevin then just use map(int, sys.stdin.read().split())
 
user6900888
12:56 PM
and for algorithm ? (exclude clrs)
 
@PM2Ring Because I didn't think of that, that's why.
Also I don't trust Windows to get piping right because it's Windows
 
@Kevin input() is a little slow for reading large files, compared to reading them in (say) 64kb chunks. OTOH, using input() on a file doesn't do a read of the hard drive for each line of the file, since the OS does buffering. However, the stdio file handling of Python (and just about any other modern language) does its own buffering of stdio, which is how we get line-buffered stdin.
 
Well OP is already playing around with sys.stdin so he'll probably figure it out eventually.
 
In Python, you can disable buffering of stdout & stderr of binary files by using the -u command line option, but there's no way to turn off buffering of stdin.
 
what is the difference between sys.stdin.readlines() and sys.stdin.xreadlines() ? Is there any performance difference like between range() and xrange()
 
Morning cabbage.
 
@Morgan Afternoon cabbage
 
are you allowed to ask a company to reimburse you for dev tools, such as ngrok, photoshop, various converters, etc?
 
for work you do for the company?
 
Yeah of course
 
1:08 PM
I think it would be super odd if they didn’t pay that for you.
 
Of course. You shouldn't be paying for any tools you need for your job.
 
Ooh, you're rubbing dirt in the wound that I got when I opened the clamshell packaging of the HDMI cable I bought with my own money to use at work
Patiently waiting for my seven dollar check from HugeCo
 
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@Kevin Stick it to them by making a cubical fortress on company time
 
Here's some nice blues harp playing and singing from Bruce Willis, doing the old Slim Harpo swamp blues tune Shake Your Hips
 
There’s a difference between things that you personally want to improve your satisfaction, e.g. a better mouse, or a picture frame of a cute rabbit, and things that you actually need to complete your work. The latter should always be paid by your employer. The former can be paid (and I would usually argue that they also should pay for it since it will likely improve your satisfaction and as such make you happy and more productive)
 
1:12 PM
Generally speaking, if you want a company to spend money on things that would be agreed before the expenditure
There's no reason why employers should expect their staff to buy tools they need to do their jobs.
 
It might be a problem if you didn't ask for permission beforehand though
 
"But do you need a second monitor?" is a hill many managers and programmers are willing to die upon
 
In the UK , at least, there are things that the tax authorities regard as essential for a profession (so, for example, I can claim my BCS membership fee). But actuall tools and the like? If your employer wants you to buy them, unless you are brillliantly paid, find a new employer
 
OTOH, if you just need to convert images between various formats, and perhaps do some simple image processing, then there are plenty of free alternatives to PhotoShop.
 
user559633
"Wait wait, you're not going to reimburse me for these performance-enhancing drugs?"
 
1:15 PM
Of course there may be circumstances where this is the case, for example freelancers usually pay for their whole toolset themselves. But in those cases, that is explicitly handled in the contract.
 
You will notice I specifically used the term "employer" since the tax and expensing rules for contractors are typically quite different
 
XCode is being a jerk again
 
(Can I just appreciate that corvid so often sparks an interesting conversation topic, and then either completely disappears or simply doesn’t participate in the discussion himself? I think that’s just super funny)
 
I usually just say something, read everyone's responses, forget why I said it, then think of something else, go to part 1
 
:D
 
1:20 PM
Corvid is like that mythical city that appears out of the mist for exactly one night every hundred years
 
Is there such a city?
 
user559633
@Kevin That's the Halloween store, and it appears for roughly 15 days out of each year.
 
"Caw", said corvid, then flew away.
 
Brigadoon is a musical with a book and lyrics by Alan Jay Lerner, and music by Frederick Loewe. Songs from the musical, such as "Almost Like Being in Love", have become standards. The story involves two American tourists who stumble upon Brigadoon, a mysterious Scottish village that appears for only one day every 100 years. Tommy, one of the tourists, falls in love with Fiona, a young woman from Brigadoon. The original production opened on Broadway in 1947 and ran for 581 performances. It starred David Brooks, Marion Bell, Pamela Britton, and Lee Sullivan. In 1949, Brigadoon opened at the West...
I guess more "fictional" than "mythical". Unless myths are allowed to have been invented in the last century.
 
Hey, @AndrasDeak TIL we have an Erdős on SO. :)
 
1:23 PM
Huh, great:)
 
user559633
What are the rules on Erdos numbers? Does that make all of ours 1 now?
 
N/A? :(
 
@Kevin In and around Scotland you get a lot of people claiming ancestry of Scotland, which is often met with the retort "Oh aye, and what part of Brigadoon are you from Hamish?"
 
I'm afraid an Erdős won't cut it:P
Oop, boring seminar over, rhubarb for now:)
 
Hmm, my "run the function a second time to more better catch the exception" plan from yesterday has hit a snag. Apparently the exception only happens the first time I call the function and not any other time.
 
1:31 PM
“a second time to more better catch the exception” – How would that even work? :D
 
user6568562
Cbg senseis
 
Here is the code in question. I catch the database error, then re-execute the function N times to see which of the N inputs raises the exception
But instead of getting "failed to execute database query with id [...]", I get "You should never reach this line".
 
big phat cabbage for my homies
 
Is it because your source db changed in the meantime?
 
So it seems like the ORM will happily raise RowNotFoundException the first time it finds that the row isn't found, but every time after that, just flat-out ignores foreign key integrity problems and returns a half-finished row or something
 
user6568562
1:37 PM
Yo idjaw
 
DSM
Let's debug C# together cabbage for all!
 
F9?
 
@Kevin entity framework?
 
Nhibernate.
Hmm, maybe if I close the... session... thingy? That might clear out the spooky hidden state
 
@Kevin Scary. With heisenbugs like that, my first suspicion is a bug in some pointer-handling code (assuming that the real data hasn't changed in the meantime).
A classic example is code that's supposed to store an int or a small number of bytes at the address referenced by a pointer but instead the code stores the value into the pointer itself. And if the code that retrieves that data has the complementary bug which reads the data back out of the pointer the code appears to be correct... until you try to write & read too much data and innocent bystanders get clobbered.
 
1:43 PM
I choose to believe the ORM is intentionally being "helpful" in a poorly-documented way.
 
English man spends 11 hours trying to make cup of tea with Wi-Fi kettle I thought this was satire, but it's not. It's harsh reality. ;_;
There's actually a WiFi tea kettle. It actually didn't integrate with anything else. They actually sat in the dark while their lights updated.
 
=/
;___________;
 
user559633
"Let's see what a stranger on twitter has to say about his tea kettle" -- media, 2016
 
I recommend the story "The Machine Stops" to anyone that finds themselves horrified and fascinated by the march of progress that makes ordinary technology incomprehensible and unmaintainable to the people that depend on it
Here is a link but maybe you can find it somewhere else that doesn't have tiny text in a wee column
 
user559633
One of these days, I'm going to get off the internet and read the backlog of great book suggestions.
 
DSM
1:49 PM
That's a pretty long list.
 
user559633
Yeah. I'm better off just throwing hours at JavaScript until a little window starts doing the fade-in/fade-out behavior ~just right~ so that when people see it, they think "yeah, that's pretty okay looking"
 
@Kevin heh heard of that; never read it. Thanks for the link
 
@davidism but does it work with alexa?
 
It does now, that's what the guy was trying to get working.
 
If it doesn't have flor.by integration I'm unsubscribing right now
 
1:52 PM
but can you post the tea you're making to twitter?
 
@davidism pretty sure using that for tea is a violation of RFC 2324
 
Aw, I wanted to make that reference.
 
I think the RFC allows for extensions of the protocol, but it's been a while since I looked.
 
I KEVIN'D KEVIN
 
@davidism Didn't Douglas Adams write about that?
 
user559633
1:55 PM
If you don't have time to switch on a tea kettle, you really need to free up some time in your schedule.
 
Text from the story
text from my terminal
Apparently "tiny" is relative ;)
 
Is it weird for a web developer to use vim? Everyone is telling me they've never seen a web dev use it
 
Don't worry, that's not why you're weird.
 
I use vim all the time when I'm doing web dev :P
 
user559633
1:57 PM
@corvid If you're a developer, no, that's not weird. If you're in a place that has a "CSS Engineer", yeah, that's strange.
 
Should I dupe-hammer this stackoverflow.com/questions/40000445/… with Is floating point math broken?
 
That looks like it
 
user6568562
@tristan CSS Engineer : D
 
user559633
Give it a few years for the ecosystem to make CSS complicated (SASS / LESS was a good attempt here) and you'll see fewer people able to contribute.
 
CSS engineer...? That's a fancy way to say designer
 
user559633
1:59 PM
Oh, you guys haven't experienced that?
 
DSM
Anyone else used enough Julia to be brave enough to be the last for me? There's a Python connection..
 
Ok, now my code is raising an exception that I deleted completely out of the source code. Where's my DLL Hell emergency kit?
 

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