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If I post the same comment on a different post, it will likely stay there forever.
If mulitple people deem a comment unnecessary it will be removed.
Does that apply to multiple "No longer needed"? Because that cannot be true, as it was still needed :)
@mickmackusa Can you change the dupe here please? stackoverflow.com/q/2687730/1839439
I doubt that multiple users flagged it though, unless it was organized. Though I have read meta posts about some tags having organized comment flaggers for "unwanted" users, which bothered me.
Did you say that it was mentioned on Meta? @Scratte
Change to what @Dharman ?
00:04
To the one that the target was merged into
As in, fix it so that it doesn't point to the stub
@mickmackusa Yes. A meta post about another post, that was closed as a duplicate. The meta poster felt is was wrongly closed, as none of the Answers on the target had the correct solution for the problem.
Done @Dharman
thanks
@mickmackusa I think that idea was encapsulated into the not longer needed flag.
@Scratte I am just saying that if a meta page is pointing to a page that has any comments that are not directly pertinent to the question, then it is highly likely that multiple users will try to clean up comments as part of their regular duties.
00:08
@mickmackusa I posted the comment this evening. There's no action at the moment.. the meta post was only viewed 57 times. I do not think it got several comment flags.
Heh.. now the "thank you" comment is gone, but there's still irrelevant comments on the thread.
Can anyone explain to me what just happened here? stackoverflow.com/posts/64299455/revisions
OP edited their post. You're welcome.
How can you multiply by a modulo?
Should I roll it back?
@Dharman They seem to want to multiply by a percentage. Then they're told it's the modulo operator and I believe they do not understand what that really means, but has just used that word to mean percentage
@Dharman I think it's a mental homophone. Modulo operation is done with a percent sign, which got them confused.
yeah, there's a comment that derailed them
Looking at the original version of the question it's just a language barrier
00:24
I will roll back
That's probably more in line with their intent. But your comment is aimed at their confused Y in XY.
I think you'll need to explain more elaborately though.
I am not here to explain basics of Maths/programming to people.
(and you wrote "module operator" which might just spawn new confusions)
I'll give it a go, if I may?
00:25
Sure
@Scratte watch out so you don't get a declined comment
@AndrasDeak I'll risk it getting deleted :D
that would go on your record
I hammered it
Is php strongly typed?
00:30
There is no negative impact for getting your unnecessary comments removed.
Groom as much as you like.
@mickmackusa It's just @AndrasDeak trying to tease me.. :)
@Scratte 14 / 10, you get 1 that's not true. You get 1.4
quik maths
@mickmackusa my mother keeps telling me the same thing for some reason
@Dharman I'm used to Java.. if I start with an int and divide by an int, I get an int :) But I fixed the comment.. ohh.. and now it's gone :D But not just the comment :D
Yeah, I hated that in Java
00:38
I quite like it. No messing around with the types. If you want a float, you need to be specific about it :)
@Scratte Trying to help newbies is a noble cause but I have already learned that it's a wasted time. They need to start with a basic course in programming. We can't help them in comments under their question
They can't have deleted that post themselves. It had two Answers.
None were upvoted or accepted.
I do not think that matters. One upvoted answer or multiple answers nomatter the score. You can just go and check for yourself.. since you're a high reputation users :)
Ohh, no. the other guy deleted the answer. It was only one undeleted, unupvoted, unaccepted answer
00:41
Ahh.. ok. Well, that's 3 points towards the Question ban then
I fear I am too ignorant about what contributes to a question ban. Can anyone supply me with a hyperlink to a document that breaks down the algorithm?
@mickmackusa nope
@mickmackusa No. You need to apply to be a developer at Stack for that :)
the theme is "details of the mechanics are left intentionally vague to prevent abuse"
So it is secret then? Then I am less worried about my aggressive DVing and VingTD duplicate questions from new contributors.
00:47
But.. from comments and SEDE queries, there are a few things that contribute: Closed, Negative Score, Deleting, Deleting with an Answer on it less than 60 days after posting seems to be extra bad. Maybe it's only 30.. Yes, I think it's only 30 days.
I deleted my Question less than 60 days after posting. I remember because I lost the reputation points I had gained on it. It had an Answer, but I checked meta, and I was in the clear, so it has to be 30 days only.
I do know that it's not just if it has a negative score. The score makes a difference. So a user can be Question banned with only two Questions if the scores are very low, which is why I almost never downvote a post if it's already down.
01:18
I think that's a typo! It should, clearly, read: "NOTE: This is a code-writing service."
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@AdrianMole hahaha, it's a good typo indeed :D
@AdrianMole I think they meant to say: "Code! This is a note-writing service."
Anyway, I am going to bed before I get suspended.
Volunteers who sacrifice curation time for sleep time lack commitment to what is important. @Dharman
02:00
Good night Dharman :)
 
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03:36
@MarcoBonelli please don't include the dupe in the cv-pls request, it makes the userscripts act wonky. :)
03:53
^ this is obviously a homework question as the prior vandalism report features the identical data structure image and a very similar code image
04:41
I find this abarrent; I didn't really lose anything but that delete was just odd. stackoverflow.com/q/64300081/14768
05:02
@Joshua In most cases, we would undelete questions where the OP has deleted the question after an answer has been given, assuming someone asks for that to happen. In this case, I'm having a hard time not seeing this particular question as a typo, or at least very close to such (i.e. closable and eventually deleted).
However, while I have done a reasonable amount of programing in assembly for a few different architectures, I really haven't looked at any significant number of assembly based questions here on SO, so I'm not familiar with what would normally be considered at that level of mistake for questions in that tag. If you feel it should be undeleted, then raising a custom moderator flag and explaining is a reasonable thing to do.
05:58
Is that the right place to post suspected duplicates? If not, do you know if there is such a chat?
Yes it is @TomerShetah, read this for more details :)
Thanks Alon!
Where on SO can I post a collection of all provably incorrect php answers which have been upvoted into invincibility?
07:46
why was that answer deleted? stackoverflow.com/a/22306162/11573842 although it was a link-only answer it was still accepted and had 7 upvotes...
I can't see the answer but "link-only" alone is usually enough justification to delete it (counts as NAA).
But shouldn't the OP be given some time to edit the answer? I mean those are 7 upvotes and an acceptance that it wouldn't get back if were posted as a new answer with adequate included in the answer itself. The answer had 3-4 links in it to what I guess some good resources...
The question is 6 years old so the answer was also likely old, wasn't it? The author in this case had years to edit it. Also, with a score higher than 3 and having been visible for at least 6 months, they won't lose the rep earned via upvotes.
@JeanneDark answer from 2014, deleted by a mod 11 minutes ago
Thank you! So enough time to edit it
07:54
another NAA on the same question got the same treatment
I agree with that NAA. It was just posted and didn't have any votes...
Hard to believe the question earned its OP a gold badge...
@JeanneDark I still stand by my assessment that the answerer should have received some more time. A good answer is identified by its votes. If the answerer posts a new answer with all the info required to be considered an actual answer then this one won't have as many votes (as gathered over the years) and won't be as clear as an indication to a visitor that it is a good/reliable answer...
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@Yatin They can edit the answer and flag it requesting it to be undeleted. Pretty sure they see a banner explaining as much as well
@Rob ohk . I hope they do.
08:16
@Yatin last active in 2016 so not very likely anyway
08:27
@Yatin I'm not sure of the timing of your edit to the Python question that @triplee just posted a cv-pls for, but as your edits need to go through the approval process, it would be best if you didn't edit questions flagged for closure. If the edit is approved after the closure, it will automatically cause the question to enter the reopen queue.
@DavidBuck oh I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me. I will keep that in mind
@Yatin NP. For people voting to close, it's quite normal to reject edits on closed questions. If a substantial change is required to make the question reopenable, it's best that the OP has the chance to make the first edit after closure.
@TomerShetah You forgot to add "tag:" in [cv-pls]
@JeanneDark Thanks
09:19
\O
 
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10:55
@AlonEitan That question says how to do this without using a plugin. Then again, it also asks how to do this without coding, so I'd guess its off-topic.
 
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12:14
My comments keep getting deleted?!?
I posted this, which is not an Answer at all on a post:
Stream.toArray() returns an Object[] which cannot be cast to boolean[], so that doesn't work. You also cannot use Stream.toArray(boolean[]::new) on your "inner" result, as boolean is a primitive and cannot be used as a variable for a generic parameter type. It works for int because IntStream has an inbuilt method to create an int[].
As you've discovered it works for Boolean[][] since Boolean can be used as a variable for a generic parameter, but that still doesn't get you a boolean[][]
..and less than 5 minutes later.. it's deleted.
12:29
@Scratte yeah, it is pretty offensive to offer insight in the problem the OP is facing but not actually solving the problem at hand ... :/
@rene It already has 3 Answers
@Scratte not any accidental trigger words in those comments, right?
I've posted the complete comment here.
It also seems to have re-emerged. So it could be a error40 on my part.
Maybe the OP has already read it and therefore it's no longer useful?
@Scratte error40 it is then
Maybe an Mod did a nuke all and the cherry picked the ones that were worth keeping?
12:33
Perhaps. I posted a slightly snarky comment earlier that is definitely not there anymore
To be honest, posting an Answer explaining what is going on seems low quality, when they're asking for a solution. Posting an explanation with a solution seems like SCITE since there are already 3 Answers and I'm not going to post some obscure solution just to be different. But none of the already posted Answers explains what's going on. So I just picked the best option available.
13:10
looks suspiciously at Smokey double-posting reports
@RyanM It happens time to time when two instances of Smokey are running
Smokey claims there's only one instance active
How do you handle a wrong duplicate closure? I.E. the question is a dupe but of another question, not the one that it has been closed for.
@MarcoBonelli Vote to delete
Has anyone seen Community offer a bounty? stackoverflow.com/questions/64173757/…
13:19
@AndrasDeak Account deletion.
@Dharman fair enough...
@MarcoBonelli Or ask a gold-badge user in one of the tags to change it
@RyanM I wouldn't want to personally @ people. I find it rude.
@MarcoBonelli something something didn't you just @ me something something
More seriously: In the cases where I've needed some random favor, I generally wait until the person is around for other reasons so as not to unnecessarily disrupt them.
@RyanM wat, I @ u because you answered me D:
13:21
@JeanneDark I figured :) Thanks
@MarcoBonelli (to be clear: framing something in "something something" is indicative of it being a joke that I'm too lazy to write the rest of)
I suddenly realize that may be extremely idiomatic and I have no idea how broadly that idiom is known >_<
LOL
I use yadda yadda but yeah I get it
I do believe your suggestion is the best solution tbh.
The funny part is that I have a gold badge in JS while I'm certainly more experienced in C. It's just that C has so many old and highly upvoted questions, and the problems keep repeating and getting duped out, that it's very hard to get points on that tag :')
13:42
Re my earlier cv-pls request: That question was now reposted with code.
 
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15:07
(also flag the comments)
15:19
@solid.py you linked your deleted answer
it's also an umpteenth dupe by the way ("low effort" is not a deletion reason)
@AndrasDeak My bad, sorry. Just edited the link.
15:32
OK, advice from the regulars, please. While reviewing charcoal tagged posts, found an answer on this question stackoverflow.com/questions/50951955/… that references an external site (thetopsites) that scrapes/plagiarizes SO content, and the answer came from this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/50655738/…
I figured I should close the first link as a dupe of the second, but both are very highly upvoted with multiple nearly identical answers, many of which are upvoted, so I'm wondering if there's more cleanup desired/required, or just a dupe vote would be OK?
^^ Well, I guess that's technically an answer to the question.
15:57
@DanielWiddis It has been substantially improved by the gentle editing hand of a moderator! ;-)
Yeah, and my VLQ flag was declined. :(
VLQ is a trap
I thought VLQ was automatically marked helpful if an edit was made to the post.
Yes, I heard that, too (in case of answers)
Maybe it was declined before the edit?
16:02
^ Ha! Maybe the aforementioned Moderator wasn't in such a gentle mood, after all. ;(
I thought it was declined on edit?
when the moderator is a moodyrator
Or maybe disputed?
We need more moody modulators.
🤷‍♂
16:03
@JohnDvorak ?
I suppose a memristor counts as a moody modulator
I guess that VLQ means that no editing can save it, but an edit saved it therefore, it wasn't VLQ after all.
@DanielWiddis No, NAA means no edit can save it, VLQ can be saved.
@DanielWiddis I didn't decline, but I'd have.
16:08
@JeanneDark that's not what I just read on meta.
@DanielWiddis A link-only answer (commonly NAA) can be saved, but in such cases you might consider VLQ because an edit automatically marks the flag helpful.
@JeanneDark See this meta answer. VLQ basically means "garbage, delete now". If it's editable, I shouldn't be using VLQ. Poorly named flag, but I've learned now.
NAA vs VLQ is surely the most discussed topic in this room (well, maybe one-boxing, as well) ... but never really gets resolved.
I need a userscript that removes VLQ from my list of flag options. :D
Just reserve VLQ for answers written in non-English ... works for me.
16:17
@DanielWiddis One mod said that you could flag link-only as VLQ. I usually only use it on answers in a foreign languages, or answers bordering on being abusive (but when I'm not completely sure about R/A).
... but if it's in the Mother Tongue of the Land of Gibber, then its R/A rather than VLQ.
@DanielWiddis Let me clarify what I mean: VLQ and NAA mean the post should be deleted. But some of the flagged posts can still be saved (translated, or link-only answers with added content (happens, rarely, but happens)). In these cases a VLQ comes in handy because the flag gets automatically marked helpful. (I didn't see the answer you flagged so I don't know why it was declined)
@JeanneDark The question was "can I do X? <some code>". The answer was: "No."
@JeanneDark It's hard for me to envision a post that meets the VLQ definition that's not R/A. Foreign language posts can be translated. Wrong answers are still answers. Garbage text is R/A.... unless I guess higher rep user with cat-on-keyboard. Maybe that's the situation.
16:27
@DanielWiddis This sounds like a valid answer. Maybe not good, but not to be handled via flags. It's like answer linking to external resources on questions asking for them (ie the question is the problem, not the answer).
@DanielWiddis Foreign language. That's the only clear-cut case I know. The VLQ flag is really caught in between R/A and NAA.
@JeanneDark Foreign language is editable. Just use google translate.
@DanielWiddis And the edit marks the flag automatically helpful
So I should flag it and then edit it myself?
That seems.... not right.
If I can fix it myself why should I flag for a moderator?
From a related MSO question:"I feel like I have a right not to care about that something like that could happen. If the post was unsalvageable at the time I saw it, that's all I need."
In a nutshell: You are not obliged to salvage a post.
@JeanneDark So you are suggesting if I'm too lazy to copy paste google translate I can VLQ it and hope someone else edits it?
16:37
@DanielWiddis If a post is not in English you can flag it as VLQ and if it's not improved, it will be deleted. In your case, the answer was not VLQ. It was an answer to the question. "No" is a valid answer to a "Can I..?" question.
@DanielWiddis I thought we didn't translate answers? Unless an answer just says something like Попробуй это, I'd never consider translating it in case I screwed something up
@DavidBuck Well, now that's two things I've learned today. I'm on a roll.
Don't translate answers. If the answerer can't post them in English, they won't be able to defend them in comments.
Besides, machine translation sucks
@JohnDvorak Can I claim that the word "no" was in a foreign language? ;)
Hey, I have been writing an answer to a question that just got closed.
It was fine
why did they close it???
16:43
@Omid.N What's the close reason?
I don't know. it shows nothing
"Debugging details". Question is not self-contained
@Omid.N It was closed because it needs debugging details. The asker did not provide expected and actual behavior. Sent us elsewhere to read links.
but, the question would be really long if he'd put the code there
@Omid.N I still don't understand what is being asked.
16:45
They should create a minimal reproducible example (if that's not possible the question is not suitable for SO)
can I edit the question? I know what he wants.
I guess a suggested edit to a closed question will very very likely get rejected especially if code is inserted.
let me give it a try
@Omid.N There is a very narrow window in which it can be edited without changing the author's intent.
Jeanne is right - adding code is very sus - and some reviewers don't read comments even when they should
16:49
@Omid.N I would recommend you leave a comment suggesting how the OP can edit it themselves.
@JohnDvorak I see someone has been playing Among US
In this case the code is not even in comments but on some other site
I haven't, actually
... also that. Adding code from other sites might be against those sites' terms of service.
@Omid.N Editing a closed question puts it in the reopen queue ... once. That behavior should normally be allowed for the OP to do it. So a comment suggesting it is the best response. If OP doesn't respond to the comment and you think there's value in the question and answer on the site, and you don't change their intent, it's remotely possible an edit might be approved and the question reopened.
Ok. thank you, reviewers. bye
16:52
@DanielWiddis might be worth bouncing the respective meta FR again?
@JohnDvorak FR?
feature request, that only OP edits would push to reopen queue
@JohnDvorak Oh, yeah.
17:35
@DanielWiddis What the hell! a question just closed again before I posted my answer. I think the badge for rising flags should be removed now.
me?
@Omid.N Yes. As was posted and deleted, please see the FAQ section on "noisy" formatting (oneboxing). We try not to use formatting that results in SE Chat converting the message into a oneboxed summary of what's linked to. Basically, if we allowed it, then everybody would want to use it for their messages, as it attracts more attention. That would rapidly make chat overall significantly less useful to those who are reading it.
@Omid.N I was not one of the closers on that question. It seems it already has two answers on a relatively simple solution.
18:18
So, would flagging have been appropriate on that last SD report, and if so, what flag?
@Omid.N This doesn't look a particularly useful question. Why would you want to answer it?
@mickmackusa It doesn't look like this needs to be deleted now. The question will roomba now that the answer is gone.
18:34
@DanielWiddis I'd say spam, and apparently two other people agree with me
18:50
Isn't it lovely when people asks you to stop commenting, but still have to put in some comment to get the last word? :D
@klutt I just flag the entire conversation.
@Braiam Hmmm probably a good idea
@MarcoBonelli Well, I said spam and my flag was declined, so at least one disagrees.
Also, flags are all being handled super-fast today.
@DanielWiddis strange.
@DanielWiddis Well, do you really think that conversation was spam?
19:00
@klutt Conversation?
@MarcoBonelli I suspect mine was declined and yours was auto-approved with 3 non-mod delete votes
@DanielWiddis I thought you were talking about the conversation I talked about. My mistake.
@klutt Nah, referring to this SD report. I visited the link, saw no relation to what was being asked in the question, which itself was crazily spaced and difficult to read. So yes, I thought it was spam. Or at least R/A for the crazy font. Or maybe VLQ. Or maybe I should have not flagged it. That is why I am asking what I should have done. I apparently did the wrong thing and am trying to learn what to do next time.
@DanielWiddis ah, you're right. Anyway I can see why some mod would decline it: while no ASCII is present and it's VLQ it's still a question...
@MarcoBonelli I thought it was a pretend question and excuse to slip in a product link.
@DanielWiddis hard to tell the intention of OP, could have just been to show the code through that link. My spam flag was merely for the formatting.
19:06
@MarcoBonelli Right. I considered R/A for the formatting. Which is, again, why I'm soliciting more opinions. :)
Probably should have just flagged VLQ now that I think about it.
@DanielWiddis Well, that's spam
R/A == ?
Rude/Abusive. I think using crazy fonts/spacing falls into that category.
Or well, not with 100% certainty
19:08
@DanielWiddis Oh. I usually see stuff like "asdasdasdasdasdasd" or other gibberish being spam flagged, so I use that for this kind of stuff usually.
But yeah, R/A is better (well, was better until some time ago). I always get confused with the damn text of the flags. Now R/A seems to just link to the CoC so that's why I'm hesitant to ever use it... whatever.
@MarcoBonelli But anyway, strange indeed.
@DanielWiddis from what I see in the text that appears in the flag dialog, that question currently seems to not be worthy of Spam nor R/A. Confusing.
@MarcoBonelli And it was editable by removing spaces (I thought about doing that but gave up) so not VLQ either.
@DanielWiddis IDK, it would have required transforming the text to ASCII IMHO. That Unicode stuff is awful.
But again, even editing that would not have made it on topic since there was no code, the question was not self contained. So I think VLQ was correct.
Which i might have used if I hadn't been bitten by a declined VLQ earlier in the day, making me trigger shy.
19:27
@DanielWiddis Haha, I know that feeling. I hate flagging VLQ. 99% of my declined flags were for that.
@MarcoBonelli I think, at the end of the day, rude and abusive would have been correct. Oh, well. Lesson learned for next time.
20:27
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter If they posted a dupe under a new username, you should flag for moderator intervention so that they can clean up the new account. People are definitely not allowed to create new accounts to re-post the same low-quality posts over and over again.
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Thanks, and I have done just this as well
It looks to be a potential sock-puppet account, perhaps created to get around a question-ban(?)
Yeah, that's a common reason for sock-puppet accounts I think
Obviously, apart from voting fraud
 
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@MarcoBonelli I believe you're correct: it was either VLQ or just closeable. VLQ is always a diceroll, though, so I mostly avoid it :-p
There are loads of How to check username & password questions. Would you try to find a dupe for this one or just close as Needs More Focus? stackoverflow.com/q/64309796/2943403
@RyanM yeah, same.
@MarcoBonelli You may wish to adjust your metasmoke feedback accordingly :) (link for convenience)
@RyanM yep, thanks
Why is the highlighter so broken? stackoverflow.com/a/60476123/1839439
@Dharman Hmm - I even tried adding explicit php code fences and it still didn't highlight in the second code snippet.
Why? Unary operations are nothing new. It should be able to correctly identify what it is.
Ask those who implemented the wonderful new highlight system.
... I feel a Meta post coming on.
I can't be bothered enough to ask again on Meta.

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