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3:02 PM
At least with Docs I'll be able to fully fill a badge section on the badges page...
 
@NathanOliver you probably upset someone in 2009
 
wait, crap no I don't have Documentation Pioneer
CURSE YOU SO
 
@TylerH Might not show until 00:00 UTC
 
@Braiam The behavior of access at string[string_size] changed from C++03 to C++11.
@Tunaki :p
 
@πάντα ῥεῖ waffles :)
 
3:07 PM
@Machavity No I mean I won't get it
 
JAL
In documentation, how do I know if someone rejected my proposed change?
 
@kayess Yeah, probably better not to
 
Or does "Contributed 3+ substantive pieces of documentation in the first month of documentation" mean like, now, the public beta, rather than the private one?
 
@NathanOliver I posted an answer to a question asking if you can determine if an email address is real (which you can't, not with a program only). I got a lot of downvotes after saying you could only tell if the format was correct. Top/accepted answer links a library that tries connecting to the server and getting it to tell you the mailbox is invalid. After several random downvotes I edited it to explain why you can't. I still get random up/down votes on it
 
3:09 PM
@TylerH Wait, it says "first month of documentation"? I could have sworn earlier today it said "during the private beta"
 
in the URL
@DavidG there's a separate one for the private beta.
That tag is Documentation Beta
Documentation Pioneer says what I quoted above
 
Ah
 
I strongly feel that any badges which can no longer be earned (for whatever reason) should be moved to their own section
 
@Tunaki Upgrade to Win10 sent smooth :p
 
That fuzz on MSO today, I think I should take to my ignored tag list.
 
3:11 PM
@TylerH I agree. Would also be nice to know which can be earned over and over vs one time
 
@πάνταῥεῖ maybe write an MSO post (tagged: ofc) so you can opt-out of it, completely?
 
@Machavity yeah for sure. Seeing that at a galnce would be awesome
 
@rene I don't want to opt-out completely, just waiting for the tide coming down.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, my idea as well. I'm reviewing stuff and doesn't make me happy.
 
what he said
this windows 10 is pretty cool. I thought it was going to be a complete disaster
 
3:27 PM
It was Never Intended to. — EbadAli 9 mins ago
 
It was a year ago
 
^^ Well, then.
 
@PaulRoub flagged as NAA
 
3:48 PM
Uh, so what am I supposed to do here?
 
NOTHING
 
JAL
@gunr2171 submit your revision and pray
 
Only answers count towards tag scores, right?
 
one would hope
The funny thing is, one could answer no questions, but vote to delete answers.
 
Yes one could. Or be like me and ask no questions(okay I have 2 of them) and delete questions.
 
3:57 PM
The answers are the pearls. To me if you can't get rep there, it is pretty meaningless. </dogma>
 
@NathanOliver yes
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I did a edit. What do you think?
 
@NathanOliver I still think it deserves to go, but it's much better.
 
OK. I just didn't know if you felt it was good enough to retract or not.
 
Anyone have a link to the help page for roomba? I can't find it.
 
well then
 
:)
 
Woot "99.78% helpful" flag. Each 0.01% demands a lot of work now :)
 
4:05 PM
Eventually floating point math will round out the error and you will get back to 100%
 
Eventually :)
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis you out of cv for the day?
 
99.8% is my next target now :D
 
@Tunaki nice. I still need another flag to hit 1k helpful
 
Can anyone see vote breakdown on documentation or did they not do that(yet?)( because reasons?)
 
4:10 PM
It would be nice to know how stuff gets approved or declined vote-wise for edits without spending an hour of one's life. Then again it is Beta. So why should they bother.
 
!!/alive
 
@Quill Are you running smokey?
 
I am guessing Smokey is running under your account?
@Quill why
 
1. [:31838411] <processed without return value>
2. [:31838405] <processed without return value>
3. [:31838383] That message is not a report.
 
apparently one can't lose reputation from throwing anything they want onto docs
so load up the wheelbarrow
 
4:21 PM
SO is quite odd today, I've had quite a few upvotes, including a couple on an answer from over 2 years ago
 
Everyone is going rep crazy. I even asked a question. Strange day indeed.
 
Confirmed
I even proposed something in Documentation: stackoverflow.com/documentation/c%2b%2b/709/…
It's so brooooad ...
 
JAL
Anyone see where you can add specific "versions" of a tag or language in documentation? stackoverflow.com/help/documentation-versions
I don't see the same UI on the Common Lisp page: stackoverflow.com/documentation/common-lisp
 
I think you hit the homerun here @Tim meta.stackoverflow.com/a/328493/1743880. Maybe wouldn't have talked about Queen though.
2
 
To be clear, I've done that "example" to test reviewers of course.
 
4:35 PM
afk
 
@Drew Got 5 or so left
 
I was just saying because you didn't park a cv on the one way up there :p
 
JAL
Anyone else confused by "Versions" meta.stackoverflow.com/q/328618/2415822
 
oh wow yeah @Drew oops
Here's another question where I don't understand how people vote. To me, it's entirely impossible to answer, too localized, won't ever be helpful to anyone else, doesn't show any effort to solve or debugging results.
What do you all think?
 
4:46 PM
@Tunaki thanks for the support brother
 
can we officially say that documentation isn't a thing and forget it ever existed...
 
You can ...
Not sure if that will help to get rid of it though ...
 
@Braiam only if we say that about the Teams section first
 
Ok, so I've searched the help, meta, and a bunch of places. Does anyone know how documentation reputation is computed?
 
so, 90% of everything is crap, and created by the 1% of the people, the other 98% doesn't care and the 1% is too powerless to change anything
is that the tl;dr?
 
4:55 PM
@Braiam That's what it looks like.
I've checked the documentation created for Django but cannot for the life of me see anything there that is filling some void. Everything in "hello world" is covered much better in the official documentation.
 
I like how the "getting started" for asp.net is about asp.net core
 
@gunr2171 can you flag the topic to be deleted, so I can handle it, and then you can approve my handling?
 
already flagged it, let me find it
never mind, shog did it
 
> You've earned the "Knowledgeable" badge (First proposed change to be approved by others that handles others' improvement requests) for "PEP 8 - the official Python style guide".
I suggested the thing to be deleted...
and got a badge for that...
 
Sam
lol
 
5:00 PM
@Kyll are you reviewing (prepared to review) documentation stuff for Meteor?
 
@Braiam yes
 
JAL
@Braiam amazing
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@Tunaki You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 2 days, 10 minutes, and 26 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 15 seconds.
 
@Sam Closey had a drink too much ^.
 
Sam
wat
 
5:07 PM
@Tunaki or too little
 
@Sam I may have reviewed 39 yesterday.
 
I heard that bots need alcohol to get through the day
 
Don't remember.
 
@Tunaki You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 2 days, 10 minutes, and 26 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 15 seconds.
@Tunaki You've reviewed 41 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 2 days, 10 minutes, and 10 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 29 seconds.
 
haha
 
5:08 PM
int overflow~~
 
Hey, I set the record! 41 posts reviewed!
 
@Tunaki You've reviewed 42 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 2 days, 9 minutes, and 44 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 48 seconds.
 
JAL
I wonder if you can get the Primer badge by requesting a topic and creating it yourself
I'll find out soon enough
I'm telling the mods!!!!! Tuna is breaking the review queues
 
@Sam what about stopping Closey?
 
Sam
Eh
 
5:09 PM
Mods will kill me for taking the throne :(
 
Sam
Looks like we'll have to
 
Meh, let it run, as long as Tuna gets pinged ...
5
 
and only Tuna does...
 
Takes aim
 
> Quite honestly, if you can't think of anything to write, there's a good chance you don't need to write anything.
 
5:11 PM
Ha, looks like she stopped.
 
the most sage words that I've read today
 
Good girl.
@Clo current reviews
meh
 
inb4 "bad girl"
 
Sam
I brutally killed her, hope you don't mind.
 
I'm calling the Bots Protection Services.
 
Sam
5:13 PM
Too bad I own that department.
Found the bug
 
I'll call People For the Ethical Treatment of Bots.
 
Tunaki
 
@Sam don't fire it up just yet, fix the db too!
 
Sam
@Tunaki You might disappear if that happens...
@Braiam The DB should be fine.
should
 
5:26 PM
So I thought version tags like didn't make it into Docs? stackoverflow.com/documentation/java-8/commit
Mah why did I even click this... I don't care.
 
Wow that is kinda a low bar to commit to write documentation. 150 rep and one answer is all you need.
 
I would have expected minimum 60 answers and 200 total score
 
1 positively scored answer... that... changes nothing yeah
 
You should at least have a bronze bag in the tag me thinks.
You need 2500 rep to suggest a synonym but only 150 to commit to docs...
 
technically, you need 1 to provide answers. I guess this is the reasoning.
 
5:34 PM
@NathanOliver and at least 5 score in the tag
 
Maybe. Still seems like to low of a bar for me.
 
I just realized Docs is really a children's game on MSO. reads threads Docs, docs, docs, goose! runs away
 
Bronze/Silver badge of that tag maybe. 150 and 1 is just too low
 
is:q -[documentation*] by active is the new home page
 
On MSO?
 
5:36 PM
yup
 
My final conclusion of the today's experience: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328654/…
 
@Tunaki it could be worse, it could have been actually created ugh... stackoverflow.com/documentation/improvement-requests/view/807
 
sigh as if rep farming in docs isn't easy enough: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328596/…
 
already saw and voted on that one yes
@Braiam Looks like I can't delete it.
 
5:41 PM
@Tunaki the last one?
 
the python-3 topic thingy
 
double sigh
 
Hum, alright, I'll move on... i.stack.imgur.com/6K45I.png
 
wow
RTFM -> RTFD
 
Hmm and why isn't there a close reason -> there is already a canonical here, don't duplicate the content on Docs?
 
@Tunaki There's at least a dozen dupes on MSO complaining about it
 
@Tunaki Because that stops the farming of course ;)
 
@NathanOliver Shog just answered. Answer seems to be "Not yet"
 
reverse dictionary request: when you aren't precisely new to something but you actually haven't figured out anything
 
5:48 PM
Dang
 
JAL
You can self-earn the Primer badge by requesting a topic and then filling the request yourself: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/328668/2415822
 
> maybe we can encourage folks to use docs instead of writing the same damn answer every time they see a question
If Docs's intent is to supersede and solve a content duplication issue, it already failed considering every single topic, for example in Java, was already covered in canonical answers on Main.
 
@JAL that's part of a bigger bug
 
true dat. So much copy and paste right now. Out of all the docs I have read there was only one I saw that was really well done and explained it in a way I have never seen but makes understanding it really easy.
 
JAL
@Braiam what, the fact that you can earn rep by editing an example and then upvoting it?
 
5:55 PM
@JAL the part where you just need a maximum of 3 users to do almost anything you want
 
JAL
ah
 
ie. you flag a topic for deletion, I handle the issue submitting a revision, you can approve that revision
or you create a topic, I flag it for deletion and you can unilaterally dismiss the flag
the things explainer: how people can suggest tags for docs meta.stackoverflow.com/a/328676/792066
2
 
Anyone know of a meta post request separate reputation for docs vs SO?
 
Hey
So for the new documentation site ... am I reading this right? You can earn main site SO rep from editing posts on documentation?
 
hey
yes
 
6:10 PM
Even when you're already at 4k?
How much rep do you get per edit?
 
@Magisch 2. But any subsequent upvotes net you 10 per upvote
 
2 for an edit (apparently!), +10 for upvotes on a post you have edited
 
Not sure. It's +2 for < 2k for sure.
 
@Machavity 10 main site rep? :o
 
I started a separate account just for editing documentation. I got +2 then subsequent +190 for upvotes on things I edited.
 
6:11 PM
@Magisch Infinity.
 
@Magisch Yes
 
people are upvoting a example I edited about .gitignore, 10k? That's easy
 
Did anyone get more than 2k rep today then?
 
Didn't they say the cap is working it is just the UI for the rep page that is not?
 
@ryanyuyu There are some requesting no rep at all.
 
6:14 PM
 
I'm sure someone had more than that though
 
huh
Not really what I was looking for. I'll start a separate discussion.
Thanks anyway
 
Your first link is 404 for me.
 
JAL
6:22 PM
same
 
I think it shouldn't be, for 10kers and myself
 
JAL and I both fit that description :)
 
... stackoverflow.com/documentation/proposed/changes/… -_- some nobody just rejected browser version info on prefixes because it's "too specific" wut
 
@TylerH err.. version doesn't work for that stuff.
 
I edited something on documentation
the PhP string print article. Some of the formulation in there could use less ambiguity :D
 
6:29 PM
I need a trustable moderator to check my bug... we can't trust undo anymore
 
@JAL That is not the right dupe. The dupe target talks about the scope of the values inside the enum, not what scope the enum is when it is defined in a scope.
 
I'm gonna be so addicted editing documentation posts
Time to break out the grammar and spelling gloves, and put on my formatting hat
 
JAL
@NathanOliver yep you're right. I've removed my cv. can you move that to the trash please?
 
@Magisch right? It's a good thing I was a great English student.
 
6:33 PM
It's amusing how I can read all the conversations in here without entering just by watching Smokey's console
 
@Braiam what do you mean
 
@JAL Looking at it again I may be wrong. Was thinking C++ rules and it is a C question. I think the enum name is scoped to the function but I am not sure if the enumerations are scoped to the function or not. The should be though so it was defined in the function scope.
 
Hello!
 
Well the answer just posted confirms my beliefs.
 
@ArtOfCode Well technically, you could read the transcript without entering also ;)
 
6:34 PM
Hiya Nobody
 
Sam
@NobodyNada Hey!
 
@NathanOliver Whom are you greeting?
 
@TylerH there's a version thingy for languages/libraries... apparently that doesn't work well when the version doesn't depends on the document that defines it, but on the one that implements it (in this case the browser implements the language however they like)
 
@Tunaki Nobody of course ;)
 
6:34 PM
@TylerH wait, what did I do? ;)
 
:)
 
@Tunaki there is that, but I was marvelling at the side effects of running Smokey
 
@NobodyNada a bad bad thing :-)
@Braiam are you referring to the versioning within Documentation? I'm still a little unclear on what it is you're saying
 
@TylerH there's a "feature" that allows you to decide on what versions your "examples" work, the thing is that for this particular case (CSS) is the browser that decides whenever a specific feature of the version of the standard would work or not
 
Sam
@ArtOfCode Same with Closey.
In fact, the logs are even public.
@Tunaki Should be fixed now.
Rebooting...
 
6:48 PM
It should or it is? :)
 
Sam
We'll find out tomorrow :)
 
I still have reviews left :p
 
Hello everyone! (Sam's Backup Server)
 
Hello love.
 
6:52 PM
Tunaki has started reviewing!
 
JAL
Hi Sam's Backup Server!
 
@Clo reviews today
 
Well my other account should have hit the reputation limit via documentation only. But there is a mysterious -10 reputation for some reason.
 
@ryanyuyu recalc?
btw, now is +5 not +10...
but still....
 
No idea. Can't view the breakdown on the link. It just says "+120/-10 There were no net reputation changes on this day"
 
6:55 PM
Even +5 is a lot IMHO. They should have lifetime cap like editing.
 
Do downvotes on contributions remove reputation?
 
who knows
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu Don't think so
 
Well, it looks like I was right and some sort of rollback will happen on Docs rep
 
who cares
 
6:56 PM
> The fix and recalc are coming down the pike. hairboat
 
@Braiam yes the browsers do decide but it affects what CSS you write, and questions like that in Q&A should be tagged as . There aren't really gonna be Docs topics for Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc. Those are just interfaces for programs that have implemented language specs
@ryanyuyu have you contributed something? I can go downvote it
 
I just had a scary thought. Does rep earned in Docs in a tag count in the tag score on Main?
 
@Tunaki nope
or at least caching hasn't kicked in
 
I hope it doesn't.
 
Sam
7:18 PM
@Clo status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at Sam's Backup Server, version 288cb2a0 on master, running for 28 minutes and 54 seconds.
 
Sam
@Clo room stats
 
@Sam 1 members (1% of this room's able reviewers) have processed 22 review items today, which accounts for 2.05% of all CV reviews today.
 
How do you do a meta tag in markdown?
[metatag:]?
 
@TylerH nope, [meta-tag:]
> Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution.
 
Sam
7:19 PM
[meta-tag:...]
I thought that was it ^
 
@Closey
 
@Tunaki yeah yeah I've been busy with docs
@Machavity I just cast my first delete vote :-)
5
Well actually second; one time I voted to delete my own question but that doesn't count
 
@TylerH Congrats :)
 
JAL
@TylerH congrats on 10k!
 
7:26 PM
@JAL Thanks :-)
 
@NathanOliver Undo was catching some Zzzs and his internet was a bit shoddy, I was one of the few around so knew how to deal with Smokey's source so I just spun a copy up
 
@Quill No problem. I just didn't see anything and no one told me so I was checking. If you did I am sorry.
 
I did it pretty half assedly, but yeah....
6 hours ago, by Quill
Also I'm the temp smokey for a bit
 
1
Q: Delete [support-bintray-release] tag

JBaruchThe tag support-bintray-release doesn't make any sense, it has no description, it is not used, and generally WTF does it even mean? bintray tag is specific enough. Thanks. I am with JFrog, the company behind bintray and artifactory, see my profile for details and links.

 
@Feeds already handled
 
7:34 PM
@Quill And I missed that one. Thanks for picking up the slack. It is always nice to have smokey running.
 
@rene sounds scary
 
@NathanOliver and then I kicked mine off on EC2 when @Quill's copy died, which is why we're now back on the SD account with full MS integration - I have the creds.
 
@Tunaki :(
 
@ArtOfCode Its musical servers today :)
 
and then undo kicked art and quill, who was then kicked by shog, who was then kicked by a giant letter S.
 
7:38 PM
and then WE ALL screamed about it on meta
 
I made my first documentation topic! How did I do?
 
@ArtOfCode I uh, was meant to run Smokey in the background, but instead the 2:30am kicked in and then Caffeine ran out and my computer went to sleep
 
@Quill no worries. That's the great thing about running on EC2 - it doesn't rely on my resources being available.
 
I was sshed into my server, I just forgot how to run Python background processes <_<
too much js dev has ruined me
 
7:41 PM
@Quill use screen
 
@NobodyNada I don't think that will get you more than 100 rep tops. Pick a more popular topic :P
 
Wow EC2 offers a free "micro" server option. Me wonders how much you can get done on a single processor with a gig of ram. It will be like the year 2003.
 
@NathanOliver A surprising amount. That's what I run. Smokey's on it now, as is a Rails server.
 
Cool.
I might have to get one and start learning linux and making bots with it.
 
Linux wasn't too difficult for me to learn :)
 
7:54 PM
@NathanOliver The T2 micro seems a better deal than their T1 micro (which I would avoid)
 
use docker
 
@Machavity That is what the free one is. t2.micro.
 
Queen \o/
 
@gunr2171 No llamas were harmed in the making of this film
 

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