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10:00
Hopefully Closey won't get jealous of Caprica
long path tool...we've had a bunch of those earlier, haven't we?
We've had.
so is this not spam?
It is spam.
hmm, I had no info on this, I will ask.
10:01
I think so too
the wording reeks of spam too
long path tool is spam
the Tuna has spoken
so if a user puts it in an answer without link he will get spam nuked?
if the post is spam, yes
this was the answer: "I had similar problem, use long path tool, worked great"
the sole purpose is advertising, and we know the product has a history of spam on SO
@AndrasDeak Ok, thanks notified on metasmoke
@Ferrybig, thanks I have sent info on metasmoke
Is this freaking "Long path tool" even a real thing?
Yeah its a software, lets just hope the user was a spammer and not one who liked the product, but with the history of spam I agree that its most probably spam.
in JavaScript, 2 hours ago, by Jan Dvorak
!!summon 41570
Yeah. So @Jan bot must be approved by RO before entering those premises.
Thanks Madara
10:15
Do you mind her?
@Tunaki Am I approved?
@JanDvorak Well, he kicked her.
... why?
28 mins ago, by rene
@Tunaki No need for discussion, I don't approve it
31 mins ago, by Tunaki
> All bots that post in the room have to be cleared by the Room Owner team. Without their prior approval bots will be kicked as soon as they appear.
10:16
18 mins ago, by Magisch
@tuna is only so strict about this other bot because he fears that closey might get jealous :P
Those one-boxes....
@Tunaki she might be useful. Mostly for Google, Wikipedia and sometimes Javascript
The issue was running it without approval. If you want it to run here then you need to make a case.
@JanDvorak The comments of that bot conflict with already existing bots here, so the commands that conflict should be changed
Which one?
Oh well. Anyone willing to run a clone?
10:23
stackoverflow.com/q/36545969/3933332 Well that is, what I call a real screenshot
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@Rizier123 (y)
@JanDvorak I don't fancy running a bot that doesn't focus on our primary goal. We already have Smokey with some useless noise commands and an experiment where Closey had some secondary commands didn't end-up well. We can't have nice things here. And using that bot in another room is just one-click away so I see no real need to run it here.
@rene ^^ this! There's already enough blame/coffee/tea spam...
!!/blame
@Adriaan It's Tunaki's fault.
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10:26
that ^ is so true
@Tunaki don't be sad, it is just me ...
and me : ) and some OP....
:| ... :( ... :[
In protest, I will review some new answers to old questions!
It is not blame Tuna day, not for another month at least....
10:33
@rene Every monday wednesday and friday is blame tuna day
I don't like mondays anwyay.
It's typo day also.
@Tunaki heya Mr Geldoff! :)
Hiya @Jon o/
googing Mr Geldoff... wat volkszone.com/VZi/…
Guys. For those spam posts where they've tried to hide the url behind the punctuation - can you flag as "other" and explain it? If we happen to miss the comment (or if you forget to comment) we might end up incorrectly declining the flag.
that's Geldof with a single f; Boomtown rats circa 1979
10:36
@tripleee bah - thought it looked wrong :)
@JonClements "other" doesn't allow quick destruction. What if one flags as other, the others as spam?
@JonClements We will just call !!blame and ping you with the message :P
@JonClements that doesn't leverage the ability to nuke a post with six flags, which is how most of the spam dies
Looks like Jon is being attacked. Take cover! Bullets flying!
Some of my "other" flags took days to be handled. it would be unacceptable to let spam live for that long. So what about a spam flag + other flag? Would it clear any confusion?
10:38
Is it possible to tell the names of the $_GET variables the page is waiting for? answered Apr 17 '12 at 0:25 by Jaspreet Chahal
spam – Adriaan 1 hour ago declined - Just edit out the link!
@Kyll Well - in this case - the post has been around for 3 years - so errr, it's not like a few hours is going to matter :)
^We shouldn't edit spam right?
There's also a years old FR to have explanation boxes for spam flags
@Kyll +2 helpful flags then :P
@JonClements I'm talking for deh futiure
10:39
@JonClements what about new answers?
@Rizier123 shhh
Then it's fine to use spam flags... it just looks really odd having a spam flag from a 3+ year old post...
@Tunaki Mais qui mettrait de la sauce dans un saucisson sec?! o_o
Haha
10:39
@Tunaki What do you want to point out with this? I can't find the circle!
I'd rather not have to look at the posted date, but oh well.
There is no circle. It is hidden behind the saucisson.
Hey jon
o/
hands some scooby snacks
@JonClements So wait, for new posts it's okay to spam flag? Why would there be confusion on old posts but not on newer ones? Some of the first handled posts looked very legit but were actually plagiarized and with a hidden punctuation link
would spam flag + comment work?
I found that helpful when I could not understand why something had been spam flagged, too
10:42
Okay, okay. Spam flag (although it'd still be nice to have an "other" flag) but just make sure you comment...
So our spam flags really got declined on that post? I was told to just edit out the link...
@DavidG same for me (see slightly above)
Errr, did they? Interesting... I looked at the post but hadn't gotten around to doing anything yet - got interrupted by a phone call.
We have historically been told to categorically never edit out spam links.
10:44
@JonClements Assuming ChrisF did it as he edited the post
Well the user has 2k rep.
@Gothdo stackoverflow.com/questions/36479355/… Why do I don't see that "Trivial answer converted to comment"?!
@Rizier123 They deleted that comment.
Diamonds are going to need extremely clean glasses to handle these new flags
sd f*ing damnit
10:45
I sniped kyll
dances
Can't the mod team just "educate" Chris?
WE NEED META : ) Ferry is making one...
Please do ask
Seriously though, I was under the impression we were NEVER EVER EVER UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOT supposed to edit spam
@JonClements could Chris be smitten for editing spam, please?
10:50
@Magisch I did edit one yesterday because it was only a Twitter link, only after that was it found that it was plagiarized content and the user did it twice in a short time
@JanDvorak Hum. What?
7 mins ago, by Adriaan
@JonClements http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10183115/is-it-possible-to-tell-the-names-of-‌​the-get-variables-the-page-is-waiting-for/10183482#10183482 that post
Rob
Rob
Do spam flags on a single post appear together for mods? Or one at a time
In regards to the spam/other debate
:29873796 Why do they always use the characters "asd" for unique character spam answers?!
@Tunaki should the rejects then explain that the edit as such was fine but the answer was not?
10:53
@JanDvorak I get that but, "educate" and "smitten" a moderator? I think we just need to wait for a Meta here.
snorts
@tripleee Yeah I do it normally. Don't know why I didn't here.
I am not the best with writing questions on meta, but what do you guys think of this? gist.github.com/ferrybig/1ec793bf4b80b1021e8ebcc1589a24a6
@Tunaki the meaning of "educate" be on mods' discretion. If they talk to Chris and he apologises, I'm fine with that.
@JanDvorak This is a case I (and perhaps others) hadn't considered when promulgating the "don't edit spam" guidelines. In this case - where the spam is in punctuation - it probably is OK to edit it out. It's not going to get the OP many click (I had to edit the post to find out where the link was) and SE's "no follow" rules aren't going to get them any SEO "juice".
10:55
@Ferrybig maybe also mention that this is now fairly prevalent in spam, maybe with a few examples
So just edit the thing out then, if the user has a history of this activity, flag it for us to look and and potentially message the user about it.
That bears a risk of OP editing the link back in without us noticing.
Rob
Rob
It's still flagged as spam, though. So even if they do, back to square one
@ChrisF Well and what is if "the answer" is just some copied answer/comment?
@JanDvorak Smokey would catch it
10:57
as a stylistic thing, maybe put the TL;DR at the top, if you really think the exposition is too long
@JanDvorak True, but flagging the post for us to look at will help spot that.
@ChrisF An issue with that is the onus is on us to delve into post revisions to see if they have a history.
@Rizier123 Use a custom flag to explain both.
and smokey will now detect if it gets added back in, correct?
Also requires us to stalk / inspect a user to check for repeated patterns, which is frowned upon
10:57
@DavidG OK, just edit and flag. We'll look at the history.
and until the mods get to look at it, should we engage in an edit war, or just let the spam in place?
@Kyll I didn't mean to imply stalking, just a quick look at a couple of other posts.
sd f - Meh, close the question
^nuke Q please
Rob
Rob
@ChrisF Are the number of flags cast for a post visible/very noticeable when reviewing the flags? If there are a bunch on a seemingly innocent post, it could be an indicator of punctuation/edited out spam
10:58
I think Ferry is posting a meta, the issue is fairly complex (maybe an edit and custom mod flag on high rep user...) but I still think the user is trying to spam breaking rule 1 and should be punished.
@ChrisF So I should flag hidden punctation spam as other in the future + edit out? Unless its plagiarism of course
@JanDvorak Don't engage in an edit war. The rollback will be flagged.
It gets harder and harder to know what to do with spam, it's almost not worth it sometimes :(
@Ferrybig Maybe add a new user / old user distinction question
I think the best course of action here is to post that question on Meta @Ferrybig. This way it will be documented.
10:59
@Ferrybig I'd rather you didn't use the spam flag - but other mods might disagree.
So... we should leave spam in place because editing it is a valid approach, except that the spammer won't let us?
Yeah, this is a complex issue. I'm siding with Tuna on that, it should be taken to Meta
@Ferrybig Might want to provide screenshots of the posts rather than the links.
Ferry is on it, just some patience...
Meta please! I'm going to bet that Chris's opinion will get heavily downvoted.
@Kyll Will do
11:01
@Ferrybig Because, you know. Meta.
@JanDvorak If it's spam in the traditional sense of "click here for completely unrelated products" then leave the link in place for others and mods to see.
I am talking about the hidden link cases
If it's the "link in punctuation" variety then editing out is valid. For example, it could be that the user normally links to their blog and edits it out when it's not relevant but forgot in this case.
there's a difference between "blatant spam for unrelated stuff" vs. "posting an on-topic answer, and sneaking in a promotional link" but the latter is clearly an attempt to game the system. I think we want to have a "no broken windows" policy here, just to dissuade the merely curious from trying to find ways to subvert policy.
I just feel that the user know what he is doing (not really since no-follow) and the attempt is to hide a SPAM link in the post (the only sense it has is to try to get better google result)
11:03
Guys, we have a Meta coming, you'll be able to answer / comment on it.
But yeah.. you come to a park to pick up trash and cops start screaming at you for using the wrong color bag.
Tbh if anyone has any spammy links that should come with a 100 rep fine
That, too
Hey Tuna, wanna kill the fun and say "dis is getting to Meta, shaddup all"? because I'm getting bored too =p
@JanDvorak Given that we have to sort the bags and need to take suitable precautions based on the colour of the bags that's not as unreasonable as you make it sound ;)
11:04
just editing it out is not enough. Posting spam deliberately (especially in the punctuation) is a malicious act against the interests of the community and the site. It should carry a heavy penalty.
@ChrisF The problem is that each cop wants a different colored bag
@Magisch Which it will do if they've made a habit of it and it's not a one off which could be explained by them being forgetful.
One time spammer is still a spammer
some cops will refuse bags that other cops require, and you never know which cop will happen to stumble upon your bag, if any.
thats why spam flags dont carry a penalty of immideate account deletion, but only -100 rep
11:05
Moving on.
\o/
So yeah, who needs NAA flags anyway? We should really remove them since they're a 50:50 based on who reviews spreads gasoline
One time spammer is still a spammer @Magisch - Not always. Sometimes a person might not know that he / she is spamming.. If the part of an answer contains here is my blog, I don't think that it is spam (unless the OP does it over and over again). It could be a genuine attempt to answer a question.
@Ferrybig Red free-hand circles detected ERROR - No upvote button found! Shutting down.
11:07
@TheLostMind Agree, I have flagged things in the past that were really spam, but the author recovered from it
@Ferrybig I would completely remove the links to the undeleted posts as they will be downvoted like hell
I'm just saying... answering is not worth it because there are no good questions, asking isn't worth it because creating an MVCE always reveals the issue and flagging isn't worth it because mods are inconsistent in what kind of flags they accept.
@Ferrybig Nice I would remove sometimes... : )
And sometimes they tell you the trash doesn't stink and doesn't need to be taken out.
There is no reward in picking up trash. You don't even get to see a clean site. You only get stress for being shouted at from all sides.
@JanDvorak Others get to see the clean site =)
11:11
@TheLostMind I agree but if you put a hidden link in a dot to your web site you know what you are doing at it surely is not complying with be honest
All right @Jan, I think it's enough for now. Let's move on.
Rob
Rob
The simple answer to this all would be to allow optional free text for all flag types. And also a 'meh' instead of 'helpful'/'declined' status for when the flag was in good faith and usually right, but in this edge case, not helpful but not a bad flag either.
How am I supposed to rage quit in silence?
An interesting case here. stackoverflow.com/questions/21012036/… The self-answer is copied from other answer and accepted by OP
Scream at your kitten.
11:14
I don't have a kitten
At your red-fish then.
Sam
Sam
Hiya
@Kyll I have the feeling the question could benefit from having the links, because the links also contain dates of the post, and the decision of the moderator who reviewed the post may be affected by that
also I'm sure it would claw me
@JanDvorak Hey, if you need to talk about that we can get on whatever other channel ya want
11:14
@PetterFriberg - If the author is trolling, then marking it is spam is the right way to go. If the author is genuinely trying to answer a question by referring to his blog, its not spam IMHO. The hidden link does complicate things a little (could also have been a mistake. OP might have wanted to add it on a new line?) but I am with @ChrisF on this. This post doesn't really look like spam .
@Ferrybig Then show that in the screenshots... I'm a hater of the Meta effect =p
@Tunaki - Sorry :P
Rob
Rob
@TheLostMind That would be a perfect case for the 'meh' flag result
It would be spam in 99% cases, but in this case, not.
@Kyll nah, that's fine. I'll just keep watching the trainwreck that Stack Overflow is until I get bored.
Rob
Rob
Especially since I (and probably most other users) don't want to click willy nilly on potential spam links.. which ends up being the major factor of whether or not it's spam
11:16
@Rob YES.
Everyone, go scream outside for 5 minutes. Hit that damn kitten across the street. And come back.
Spam discussion is done.
... We really should find a regular named "kitten". Or a bot.
Its done!
@bjb568 you're wanted
sorry I saw Tuna message now : ), was scrolling up as @AndrasDeak tells me : )
11:20
hey! Actually a decent question. And a non-answer within 60 seconds, and an answer based on a premise that contradicts the information given in the question.
lets speak about the weather, I have sun here and you?
100% cloudy
and kinda cold
Rob
Rob
Usual here. 16 degrees raining and terrible. 29 degrees in a day or two
half summer half winter
Sam
Sam
@Mogsdad Sam will see what he can do.
tomorrow's prediction is light clouds, the next day is mostly cloudy with rain, but still warmer than today.
11:23
20 C, sun is shinning and the flags waves in the wind...
don't talk about flags!
@PetterFriberg curl wttr.in =D
Rob
Rob
Where are you Petter?
Not in France.
Italy, bologna : ), the whole week-end have been great.
11:25
Czech Republic here
You need to update your profile so you get caught on BhargavRao SOCVR map....
I have really bad free hand circle drawing skills today...
Sam
Sam
And I live at my desk.
OK, the LQ review queue seems slow today.
Yeah "Sam's desk", I heard of that seems like a nice place, never raining
11:27
I'm filling it. Don't worry :p
@Ferrybig More upvotes then
32 pending flags. Go hit it!
^ thanks for the edit :)
I hope I didn't cause the bot to half and catch fire because of the typo.
Nah, just the building caught fire. Not the whole block.
The bot probably noticed the dispute about how we should flag various kinds of spam and decided to wait it out.
11:32
Or it threw an exception and then went to grab some coffee.
Enjoy your time in the GraveYard.
Morning
Hiya o/
Rob
Rob
Hey
@NathanOliver Morning
11:40
\o/
Rob
Rob
Pick up a phone and call him. — Wobbles 16 secs ago
Heh
@NathanOliver This morning, it was busy, we had a rogue bot in the room, and we had a large discussion about a declined spam flag
Saw the bot. Whats up with the spam?
Rob
Rob
Better to read the transcript, else the debate will reignite
it was about 30mins ago, so not too far up
Basically, each mod wants you to handle the punctuation spam in different and incompatible ways.
Currently we're waiting for @Ferrybig's meta post, and until then I'm not picking up trash.
@JanDvorak I put it already at meta, thought someone else already said the link here, because Petter already started commenting
Thanks guys. Agree lets keep the debate on meta since it is there now. I was just looking for the start.
Let's watch the meta post end up with zero discussion, one answer and an answer score of zero.
Rob
Rob
If you want discussion you can also post..
How is that username not prohibited?
Blacklisted username is a pretty new check, and is used at the moment for know usernames used by the large spam companies
Rob
Rob
11:51
Ah, I see. I would have imagined it would have always been in place
JAL
JAL
Stupid users flagging a wall of code as spam...
anyone else see that chat flag?
also hi all
Rob
Rob
I did
It was also 10minutes after the fact, after it was well out of view anyway
@JAL Hi
Sam
Sam
@JAL Hi
11:54
@JAL Hi
JAL
JAL
deleted by author, wow that was quick
My SE inbox is getting spammed with notifications... #firstworldproblems
I'll wait it cools down a bit before reading that Meta...
JAL
JAL
Thanks @EricD, @Tunaki good afternoon!
@JAL Hi! Thanks :) Have a good day too
12:02
Hi @Eric! I hope your day will very unpleasant and filled with bad news!
JAL
JAL
lol
Sam
Sam
lol
@Tunaki spot on man, spot on ;)
Sam
Sam
Oh yeah, it's Monday.
(Yes, I've just noticed.)
Rob
Rob
@JAL The uploader has not made this video available in your country. :(
And back
Plop Nathan and JAL and Eric
JAL
JAL
Aww, it was a link to the Manic Monday video by The Bangles
plop Kyll
12:31
spam?
SD: nope, just NAA
yeah
Each morning I get up I die a little
Can barely stand on my feet
Take a look in the screen and cry
Lord what i had written here?
^ rene after a room meeting
@TheLostMind Thats why a spam deletion is only -100 rep and not instant perma ban.
@Magisch The discussion has moved to meta
12:40
morning!
aft... morning!
morning
Plop!
morning!
Sam
Sam
Hiya
12:41
Plop today! Save a kyll
The building caught fire again!!
@Lundin [tag:cv-pls]
Just testing the exception handler
@gunr2171 What happened today: We had to kick a bot from the room, and we had a discussion about a declined flag that has been escalated to meta
Good morning
12:43
Bad afternoon!
@Ferrybig Caprica something? I noticed that bot in the Ministry too
And tunaki was once again caught fraternizing with the chatbot
@Ferrybig yeah, I was just reading about the bot
Plop Tyler
@Ferrybig "How SOCVR caught fire again today"
12:43
I wish all of you a miserable day.
@Tunaki :(
@Tunaki The LEGOs just arrived at work, I'm going to spend the next few days playing with them. I'm going to prepare dungeons on large plates into which kids will have to move around and survive by coding their character "Move left, Push Button...", with LEGOs too.
@Tunaki it's going to rain here today. Is that enough?
Its 26C and clear blue sky here
too warm and shit weather. Im miserable.
@ryanyuyu I guess. Okay.
@Kyll sounds awesome
12:45
too warm 0.o
@Tunaki Also, I tested the Harold Robot with kids last week. It works incredibly well.
26C and blue skies is great :-D
There are multiple skies?
@TylerH -26C and blue skies you mean surely?
>19°C is too warm
4
12:46
though 23 - 24C would be much better
<18°C is too cold
4
shorts and t-shirt weather
@TylerH with just a light breeze it's perfect.
-5C is perfect t shirt weather
12:48
and to go swimming
I'm a fan of 73F (~22C)
If the lake is not frozen the lake has at least 4C on the surface water. Thats plenty to swim!
Pfft, humans and their weather.
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@Closey what do you know about weather
@Closey hello Sam
12:49
@Rizier Check Slack.
Sam
Sam
Hey gunr
@Magisch She knows all.
@Tunaki Rose tinted goggles, you have.
@Closey When bots complain about weather, it's probably a lot worse. 'Cuz their circuitry is melting.
@Tunaki about me* FTFY
Aaah yeah I know that one. Amazing.
I've seen worse...
Lesson learned: computers and swamps don't mix. Also AC is amazing.
Random idea for a bot / UserScript: watch for all and alert as soon as one of the discussed tag is resurrected.
I made a bug the other day which caused a hydraulic valve to get too warm, so it literally melted the plastic box where I kept it :) Melting bugs are real!
12:57
Did you implement a cool fix?
So it was packin' heat?
ROs and their lines
@Kyll that's the only form of respect we have
Do you have a problem with that?
Chocolate crickets probably melt quickly.
12:58
By the way, who was the bot that was kicked? Smokey?
My colleague made a bug once that caused the system we had to make an additional £20,000 of phone calls. That melted our finance directors brain.
@rene Which answer does not get me kicked?
@gunr2171 Yeah, you're not going to get any through TF2. Playing soon? =p
@Kyll not that one.
uh, though there is no official record of a "kick" happening
What was this bot doing anyway?
12:59
no idea
no idea who's running it either

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