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3:02 PM
Now here is a question. Can you use regex to validate if a string is a valid regex expression?
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Probably.
 
I think so.
 
Sam
Depends on the complexity of the input ofc.
 
@NathanOliver Heh, to me it'd be *. I'm not any good at that.
 
In theory, it should be possible.
It might be pages long though.
 
3:03 PM
Looks like a XY problem to me.
 
@Sam That is what I am getting at. Since regex is not turing complete can it analyze itself?
 
@TheLostMind surely!
 
Regex can tokenize, but can it also do the semantic analysis?
 
@NathanOliver Regex just doesn't want you to think that it's Turing-complete.
 
3:05 PM
@TheLostMind Oh it is. I just saw a question and they wanted to know how to validate if a string is a valid expression or not. I just wanted to know if I posted "why don't you use regex" if you actually could or not.
 
Sam
@Tunaki Nice
 
@Tunaki Thanks
 
It looks horrible. And it is recursive.
 
Related reading from that page: blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/jaredpar/2008/10/15/…
 
I am going to go with No if you cannot do it in the majority of parsers.
 
3:08 PM
@NathanOliver - I think the OP needs to write his own parser
 
Yep
Or try...catch
 
Sam
Lol, the OP's name on one of those answers.
 
Asking him to use a regex would be like asking a hen to enter a lion's cage
 
@Tunaki Oh how the second scoring answer is "unlikely" *sigh.
 
@TheLostMind do lions eat hens?
 
3:13 PM
@TylerH I bet they would.
 
@cimmanon o/ where ya been?
 
@TylerH does it matter?
 
@TylerH - yes
 
@cimmanon yes, we've been worried :(
 
i didnt see the point in coming here anymore after seeing people discuss how they were only going to spend their votes closing questions that already had 4 close votes
 
3:17 PM
@cimmanon I'm sorry. I hadn't seen that discussion. We still want to close all the garbage.
 
@cimmanon I just hadn't seen you anywhere online in a couple weeks, here or the HTML CSS room or anywhere on SO. Was just wondering if you were OK
 
Plop cimmanon! I don't discriminate close votes based on count, I hate all off-topicness the same
 
@cimmanon What Nathan said. In the meeting, this matter was raised but this room will not shift to closing things at 4 CV. We continue like we did
 
@TylerH the impression i got from the HTML/CSS room was that the room would be better off without me, so i gave them their wish.
 
D-:
Do you want me to remove you as RO there? Or leave you
 
3:19 PM
Ouch. Well you are always welcome here(as long as you keep the one-boxes to a minimum ;) )
 
doesnt matter to me. i have other things to worry about
 
P\op MsYvette
 
user3956566
hi
 
user3956566
I need to get a new pc
 
@cimmanon This room would definitely not be better off without you. On the contrary.
 
3:22 PM
@Yvette Don't we all? What's happening to you?
 
user3956566
@cimmanon please don't leave
 
user3956566
@Kyll it's dead and will not factory reset and a couple of months out of warranty
 
you guys got along fine without me.
 
Yeah that sounds like something that needs replacement
 
user3956566
need to fins a good online place or get a brand people recommend
 
user3956566
3:23 PM
@cimmanon I don't
 
@Yvette you're looking for a desktop or laptop?
 
@cimmanon As a room, we can go along somewhat fine if someone has to leave for a while. I did wonder where you were, others did too. You do have quite the presence and I like your judgement.
 
user3956566
@TylerH desk top now
 
user3956566
used laptops for a while and have to get a new one each year
 
user3956566
figure a desktop might be better
 
user3956566
3:26 PM
I'm on a spare laptop I have, but it really doesn't have the performance to cope with VS and SQLServer
 
@Kyll s/I/we/g
 
Planning to buy one of these @Yvette
 
user3956566
@cimmanon a few of us get like that, wanting to leave. It can all get a bit serious, the whole closing thing And being given a month deadline to see if we can reduce the queue etc just adds to pressure
 
@Yvette have you considered building your own?
 
@Tunaki Nuh-uh, get your own honesty to say
 
3:27 PM
Typically custom gets you more bang for your buck if you're up to putting it together
 
@Kyll your own honesty
 
and more bang for your buck is important if you live down under; from what I know the prices are way higher there
 
And PC components are plug and play
 
@TylerH That is how I roll
 
user3956566
@TylerH I'm not very good mechanically and own zero tools so that's an issue, though have looked at places that will build them or you. What do you recommend
 
3:27 PM
same
 
@TylerH The answer is yes. Video. Warning: Contains a lion in a zoo eating a chicken that is thrown into the enclosure.
 
user3956566
I think I need to learn how to Nathan and Tyler
 
@Yvette You don't need anything more than a screwdriver to put your computer together
 
user3956566
ok
 
@Yvette not really a problem anymore. If you have a screwdriver you're good to go.
 
user3956566
3:28 PM
I can do it
 
I even had a blind guy in one of my PC hardware classes show that really goes to show you and can do it with your eyes closed.
 
Hey wait, you changed your username @Yvette :)
 
user3956566
I can buy a screwdriver . I don't own one
 
You know what. I like this one better :D
 
user3956566
yes
 
user3956566
3:28 PM
simple and sweet
 
and a safe place to build it like a wooden table (some place that doesn't discharge static)
 
@ryanyuyu You mean plug and crash and unplug and plug again and reinstall driver and play
 
I think it's worth learning what goes into a computer
 
Oh and get a solid state drive. That's typically where most performance bottlenecks occur
 
:-O you don't own a screwdriver?!
 
user3956566
3:29 PM
yes a SSD
 
user3956566
yes I agree David
 
oh man, that's like, the number one household tool to own I feel like
 
user3956566
ok I will build my first pc
 
everything is screwed
 
yay
afk
 
user3956566
3:29 PM
do you think a desktop is better long term than a laptop
 
Yes
easier to upgrade/work on
 
Sam
Yes
 
Sam
Screw laptops
 
The other day I saw a SanDisk 960GB SSD for 200€! My money almost jumped out of my pocket, then realized it didn't exist.
 
3:30 PM
But laptop are so much easier to work with.
 
user3956566
ok I need to find a supplier
 
@Yvette absolutely. unless you need to take your computer (work, etc.), desktops are way better
 
@Yvette yes a desktop is way easier to upgrade and maintain as well
 
user3956566
well I work from home
 
howtogeek.com/187797/… here is an easy-to-read guide for computer novices
it should get you familiar with the terms and general process, at least
 
user3956566
3:31 PM
thanks
 
ive been stuck on a laptop for a few years now and i hate it. the battery is dead now, the display is pretty crap and i dont have the desk space to use both of my good monitors
 
user3956566
yes and it's hard to use monitors with a laptop
 
Sam
@cimmanon :/
 
user3956566
I was supposed to start work for someone last week and haven't written a line of code!
 
user3956566
but he's a nice guy so he's patient
 
user3956566
3:33 PM
I have 59 close votes left btw if anyone needs some
 
user3956566
also what is the result of the trial of extra votes? Is that still on?
 
@Nathan Hah! And it only cost me two more coffees to get the energy to write
 
@Yvette I take it it's still going on, since we still have 60 votes
 
yeah, until the 17th IIRC
 
Sam
afk
 
user3956566
3:35 PM
@Adriaan not if it becomes permanent
 
I don't know if it will. It'd be great.
 
btw, i moved over easter weekend, so i am now up an hour earlier. i really miss taking showers (plumber said he might come out tomorrow)
 
Good thing about a custom desktop is, if some part dies, you can easily buy a new one and replace it yourself. If a laptop dies, it's way harder to fix yourself, and sometimes impossible
 
Yep, for example the GPU is almost always soldered to the motherboard. If it dies, you can throw the laptop away.
 
user3956566
@cimmanon what are you doing instead of showering?
 
3:37 PM
... Being a web developer I guess.
 
@Yvette heating bowls of water in the microwave and scrubbing with a washcloth :-(
 
Ouch.
 
user3956566
@cimmanon :(
 
i have water, but the water tank doesnt fill. so i have to keep the pump turned off until i need it. as a side effect, we dont have hot water either >.>
 
user3956566
@TylerH yeh thanks for all of that, it's time I became more pc savvy
 
3:38 PM
Desktop > Laptop
 
Oh hey [design] is hot again
 
also, this is where i walk the dog now every day: imgur.com/a/qYyYo
 
@cimmanon how many are you?
@cimmanon I LOVE IT
 
@Tunaki how many? just my husband and i
 
user3956566
@cimmanon beautiful
 
3:42 PM
Oh god I would LOVE to have a home like that. With hot water :p.
 
doge is having trouble adjusting. he is still in "conserve my pee for other dogs" mode. there arent any other dogs in the area for him to have pee wars with.
 
lol
My dog looks at every mailbox as an opportunity to pee.
 
user3956566
I love the water. The ocean is the best place to be at any time
 
My dog is a cat.
 
user3956566
oh except tsunami
 
3:43 PM
/me waits to see who will dare to make a comparison with Undo.
 
I have "death ball of claws" cat and "holy crap! THERE IS FOOD TO EAT!" cat
 
also, after the top 2 photos in that collection, what you see on the beach is frozen sea foam, not snow
 
I was thinking it looked a little chilly
 
@cimmanon yes, that's beautiful :)
 
user3956566
@cimmanon I was wondering about that
 
user3956566
3:45 PM
@Andy I have 3
 
its doge o'clock, see you later
 
user3956566
bye
 
o/
 
been at work 3 hours, only done one thing :-X
 
That's a productive Monday.
Don't burn out to early in the week
 
3:48 PM
I released a product today
and have been running around patching bugs all day
 
A kylled product I hope.
 
of course
We only do properly kylled products here.
 
A bug is just a missing kyll.
 
@Magisch Well, that's your fault, don't blame us for it; you released it :)
 
@Andy the one thing I've done was fix a bug I introduced on Friday :-D
 
3:57 PM
@Magisch Don't do it again!
 
@MartinJames I think the fault is more with the company that thinks a beta or alpha test is unnecessary
 
test? pfff no need
 
If people keep going round releasing things that work, I might be forced to do it:(
 
while getting an apprentice to write a complete embedded storage management system
 
they shouldn't be if you use TDD :-D
 
3:58 PM
why would you test?
 
You know, that's probably the best thing about working on github software
 
it takes time, it uncovers bugs...
 
Your commit is your test :-D
 
worse, it could actually improve the quality!
 
It is a bit scary though that I had free reign to decide which scanners we would buy
 
4:01 PM
I can only sanely do complete system tests on my distributed apps. The individual peripherals and desktop software don't tend to fail on their own.
 
Rene Artois?
 
Oui
But I think you write it as René
 
Oui!
 
@Kyll Hallo!
 
4:11 PM
@Braiam Don't forget to edit out "thanks" from questions
 
@Ferrybig I saw Brad's answer now, I think it's ok, you should always apply similar rule as to the abusive posts "sfdsf", that was at least what I was looking for (some clear rule on how to handle it)
 
Yes. It would have been nice to ask this on Meta before being confronted to it though.
 
well we discussed this week end (the problem is fairly new, all that got nuked ok, the 2 edge cases not). I know that Brad was a bit harsh on SOCVR (but the meta came from SOCVR so I think it was unfair), as always we need to see the end result. We need to edit some more and Brad will be happy.
its also hard to ask before you have examples.
 
4:41 PM
sd k wot?
 
really?, or just naa (since not spam?) : )... Brad maybe should thank us after this post...
 
@Tunaki is that spam? Or just NAA?
 
that's abusive
 
woo, nailed it!
 
I went with rude/abusive on that one
 
4:44 PM
I went with NAA, maybe because I like the post : ), probably abusive or even a test for spam
 
Abusive. I'll have to remember that.
 
Well a mod deleted it
 
What about the question? Too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/371/…
 
meh
I think protecting should work
 
anyone here use NSIS?
 
4:55 PM
I've watched NCIS ;)
 
lol, need to understand how it reads registry on windows 10.. but maybe I got it....
 
@DavidG it was a rollback
 
@bjb568 P\op!
 
JAL
Is this bounty question too broad/unclear? I think so.
 
I'm back. What did I miss?
 
5:08 PM
@JAL no idea :/ is the "CoreMotion API" well known?
 
JAL
@Tunaki It's an iOS SDK API/framework
 
[chat detector] mostly uppercase message detected: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/29881597#29881597
 
@JanDvorak wat
 
JAL
had a declined mod flag over it, that's the only reason why I'm asking
 
I raised a new flag, we'll see what happens.
 
JAL
5:11 PM
thanks Alexander, hope yours doesn't get declined
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
JAL
I'm going to get something to eat and then go through the queue. Did closey's tag list refresh yet? What are we working on?
 
@Closey next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Tunaki The next 5 tags are: 32, 31, 27, 27, 24
 
JAL
ok looks like new tags
 
5:17 PM
What's this query, a list of tags the reviewers should preferably work through in the CVQ?
 
JAL
pretty much
 
whats this chat about?
 
@AkaSh Plop! We are SOCVR.
 
> This room is for the weekly close events, discussion(s) about reviewing, and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. Please visit our Team page: stackoverflow.com/teams/11/socvr which contains a link to our FAQ.
 
We are a room of regular users who enjoy moderating and keeping Stack Overflow clean, so we moderate and run various events together
We also often discuss about the scope of questions, the state of the website, bots and waffles
 
5:19 PM
Ok.thnx.Nice concept
 
Our Team page contains a slightly more detailed explanation and our GitHub contains some of the tools we use daily to moderate SO
Thanks =D
Feel free to hang around, ask questions about what we do, or about moderating on SO. Big letters are welcome around here
there's like 3 of them as Room Owner
 
But not too many. Less than one uppercase letter per word in the usual case.
 
How can I be moderator?
 
@AkaSh probably by waiting a few years at least
 
5:21 PM
By baking good waffles for everybody :)
 
The first step is to have the SO community trust you in your decisions
 
How can I gain your trust?
 
Everyone can earn moderator powers to some degree. At 2k reputation one can edit without having to suggest first.
Some moderators are elected by the community, those are Diamond moderators and they are recognized by the diamond next to their name (see stackoverflow.com/users/811/shog9)
 
Question for those of you with metasmoke accounts.
I'm designing some admin tooling.
 
@AkaSh more to the point: why do you want to become a moderator; do you know what that is, what they do and what their responsibilities are?
 
5:24 PM
One of those tools lets us see the entire history of a user's feedback, by searching for feedback submitted under a certain username.
 
@ArtOfCode Nice
 
JAL
@ArtOfCode their sd feedback? like if they typed "sd f" ? or their flagging feedback?
 
The design of that, coupled with the design of review, means that the feedback you give in chat and the feedback you give in review are on two separate pages - chat feedback under your username, reviews under your email.
@JAL sd feedback
 
JAL
got it, cool
 
That's... not ideal, so I'm thinking of a new tool to overcome that. Essentially, give admins a tool that shows what data a user has given the site (id, username, etc).
 
5:26 PM
I think I can contribute in making this community more better
 
That would be able to provide links to both sets of feedbacks, where we currently have to guess your emails to get at your reviews.
 
@AkaSh That's the spirit! One of our main mission is educating users
 
However. That tool requires that admins are able to see your email addresses. When you created a metasmoke account I assume you were comfortable with giving Undo that data; would you be comfortable with admins having it too?
 
@ArtOfCode That requires disclaiming it, but yeah sure
 
Why do you need an e-mail address anyway?
 
5:29 PM
The admins currently are three SE mods; I don't doubt we're all happy to treat it as we do on-site data. That said, I'd rather talk to y'all about it before I just take assumptions with data that isn't mine.
 
moderators are responsible for removing spam and meaningless questions?
 
@ArtOfCode You know, you could resolve that by using SE's Authentication ;)
 
@Tunaki We get it as part of the sign up process. In theory, we use it to email important things.
in theory
 
@AkaSh We do handle spam, we also close off-topic questions. As a 337 rep user you can certainly help with both with flags, I suggest you read some guidance on the subject
 
@Andy Well of course, let me just go and whip that up, see you in a month :P
Bit heavy-handed.
 
5:30 PM
Hey, I've suggested it before.
 
Aye. Honestly it'd be great if we could do that, but I don't have the time to make that kind of major feature work.
 
But, it solves a problem for you now. Fix it now instead of needing to band-aid it again in a month
 
@Kyll maybe pick as your example someone who was actually elected? ;-p
 
Hiya @Shog o/
you link to his profile, poof he appears
 
@Shog9 wait, you mean you can just get paid for being a mod instead of having to go through an election? :O
 
5:32 PM
@Andy I can fix it now, without going down that route. The data is available to do it, but it involves email addresses being more easily accessible.
 
@Shog9 cough
 
@Kyll Can you provide some links where I can read on these subjects
 
So Shog *does* have a query running to check for links to his profiles!
@AkaSh Sure, hold on...
 
It's just a matter of asking people whether they're comfortable with the data they gave Undo being opened up to a few others.
 
@Shog9 can we get your thoughts about this? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/320786/…
 
5:33 PM
@AkaSh you dont have to be a moderator in order to improve the community. you know that, right?
 
(also, hello)
 
@ArtOfCode I am presenting a potential alternative (at the cost of development time): Use SE's Authentication and then no one needs to worry about who has access to their email address
 
@cimmanon What gave you that impression?
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
@Andy Aye. I'd like to do it, but the development time is something I don't have available. So... we do something else that requires communication but takes less time.
 
5:35 PM
@AkaSh About closing, reopening, duplicates, what's on-topic - You probably want to grind that help centre to get a general idea of how SO moderation works
 
I admit I didn't sign up because of that.
 
@JanDvorak Brad's answer is solid.
 
@cimmanon What are the other ways?I have been editing some questions lately.
Thanks @Kyll
 
@Shog9 i have a flag thats been pending for almost 3 weeks now, should i just keep waiting?
 
6-8 weeks before the first hidden-spam flags get handled, then 6-8 weeks before mods start bugging devs, then 6-8 weeks before devs finally add a text box to the flag dialog?
 
5:38 PM
Come on, stop soliciting Shog each time he's around =p
pls check the [design] BR!
 
that please -----------------------------^
huh well the question is very bad
 
I think this one was obvious enough?
 
darned ninjas!
@PaulRoub look up
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
5:42 PM
:|
 
@Tunaki why adriaan is posting youtube link here?
 
@Tunaki To metasmoke? Understandable, though we're certainly happy to hold the lot in confidence.
 
@AkaSh wouldn't it be better to ask me instead? I doubt tuna can look in my head (thankfully)
 
@AkaSh Don't try to make too much sense of what some people in this room do =p
 
Oh but I can.
I have cameras everywhere.
 
5:45 PM
@Kyll says the squirrel to the elephant
 
(Kyll made me a special discount, 1000 cameras + 50% free)
 
peace
 
@Tunaki I'll have the doctor check that out, since Im visiting him anyway tomorrow
 
@Tunaki You know he has a back door into all of them right?
 
@Adriaan He won't. The doctor is a friend of mine.
 
5:47 PM
@ZachSaucier certain people dont like my attitude. since my attitude is unlikely to change, it seemed better i just left.
 
Sorry to hear that
I hope it wasn't any of the regulars
 
it shouldnt be too hard to figure out who, since i am quite certain the combination of words they used included "cimmanon attitude problem"
 
@NathanOliver What, you want access to it? That's three waffles per camera per hour.
@Adriaan Spearrel to the drunk hallucination*
 
HD if you bring marmelade with that
 
5:51 PM
@cimmanon :/ he's not around much anyhow. You could just ignore him
 
Sam
@cimmanon Oh?
 
@Kyll you French and your weak constitution. We don't hallucinate from a little beer. LSD is what you use for that!
 
......and back to topic
 
Yep. Who's up for TF2 / Factorio tonight?
 
Sam
Me, maybe.
 
5:55 PM
yep
 
watching the play-offs atm, so not me
 
@gunr2171 the topic being...?
 
@Tunaki The topic being searching for a topic for this room not to look like it's full of crazed animals and bots
 
@Kyll I'm down for both. I did some work in factorio over the weekend.
 
@NathanOliver Yay! And @Thaillie plays it too now
 
5:58 PM
Yay \o/
 
lol. I guess we will have to chnage the name to SOCVR and Factorio players Room. ;) (this is not an actual RO position.)
 
@NathanOliver (wait 'til I get Mogs Tuna and rene to play Factorio then)
 

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