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6:00 PM
@NathanOliver put it on the agenda for the next meeting
 
@Kyll I can watch a livestream
 
@JanDvorak I do think my bandwidth can handle a stream, I'm not sure your sanity would.
 
Why?
 
I can host if need be
(also if we're going to keep talking tf2/factorio, let's move to the ministry)
 
Back on-topic then
The more trivial the matter, the more energy put into it
 
6:05 PM
@Kyll I prefer allman style myself
 
Sam
@NathanOliver highfives
 
ew.
 
Stroustrup ftw
 
@NathanOliver it's still about programming, not sure about mvce or not though
 
1tbs anytime
 
6:07 PM
> The kernel style utilizes tabs (with tab stops set at 8 characters) for indentation.
ew ew ew ew ew ew
 
Sam
Eh
 
Way to much whitespace
@gunr2171 Yeah I just don't know if we can answer why the project chose to do what it did.
 
But really, Haskell style is awesome
 
omg semi-colons on the left of a statement. can.. not... process.... <BSOD>
 
@NathanOliver Ew Windows
 
Sam
6:13 PM
@NathanOliver Ikr
 
Linux people hate anything that's popular, including other distributions of Linux.
6
 
Sam
What if they themselves become popular?
 
@Sam Spontaneous combustion
 
Sam
Nice
 
6:14 PM
@JanDvorak i have never seen haskell written that way (with semicolons on the left)
 
Each time Magisch pushes something to prod I see smoke coming from my nose
 
i have heard that one of the core haskell guys prefers to use semicolons, but most people dont
 
OK... Haskell is awesome
 
the only time i use semicolons is when i want the code to stay a one-liner (and its short enough) :p
 
Too bad we have so few JS peeps right now, we could start a flame war on ASI
 
6:17 PM
Always include a semicolon. Also, never include a semicolon in Ruby.
 
@Kyll that's a feature?
 
@ryanyuyu Yeah
The only place you can get into troubles with ASI is when using IIFE or when doing very weird stuff with ++ / --. Otherwise you're fine
 
> If you think there are two equally good ways to do the same thing, you have probably missed a third, even better, way.
 
^ that's... usually true yeah.
 
@Kyll also, leading unary operators
 
6:20 PM
@JanDvorak Yeah?
 
That's one of the things I hate about javascript. It tries way too hard to "fix" your code for you. +[]? Sure that's close enough to a number. 0 it is.
 
There's also strict mode, which removes some of the benevolencies
 
@ryanyuyu JavaScript does way too much type coercion yeah. Do you know the reasoning behind +[]?
 
I do
 
Nope.
 
6:22 PM
I don't. And I don't care.
 
lemme explain
 
go ahead
 
Sam
~ JS With Kyll, Episode #001.
 
So we brought the bad parts from the JS room here?
 
No. The bad parts would be excessive swearing and RBF
 
6:24 PM
I'm not from the JS room so it doesn't count
writing
 
oh boy
 
This is going to be long.
And boring.
 
The unary + operator tries to convert a value to a number. Turns out [] is far from being one, so JS first tries to reduce it to a primitive value. The closest it can get to that is by turning it into a String, which by default is a join(', '). So [].toString() is actually an empty String ''. An empty String is coerced into a 0 when trying to convert is to a number. JS type coercion at its stupidest.
 
yawns loudly
 
Oh I forgot about the implicite .toString() call. Yeah that's nasty.
 
6:26 PM
It's also why +['42'] is 42 and +[4, 2] is NaN
 
type coercion is the root of all evil :p
 
So, php, am I right?
 
type coercion JavaScript is the root of all evil :p
 
PHP is even worse
 
The reasoning behind this crazy amount of stupid is that it's better to have a flaming code base rather than a crashing one. For some reason.
 
Bad code crashing is a feature.
2
 
> Let's talk about JavaScript
 
But I guess that's not how people viewed it way back then.
 
Lets not. Tis a silly language
 
@NathanOliver go and watch the video. Now.
 
6:28 PM
@JanDvorak If ANYONE has not seen the WAT talk already, click that link! It's going to make your day
also you have to download the video, the player has been broken for ages
 
I think I've seen that before. It's funny and scary at the same time.
 
@JanDvorak I already have. I try to stay away from JS
 
good idea
 
Yeah. I'll have to favorite that.
 
6:35 PM
well that was offensive
 
|I didn't even need to see the image to see it was abusive
 
That was one link I was not going to click on while at work.
 
why? pretty safe......
 
Hi guys \o
 
And this is why new users can't post images in the post.
 
6:37 PM
Hi BR
 
@BhargavRao o/
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
@BhargavRao Time travel.
 
@BhargavRao Yeah. The circle isn't thick enough.
 
6:39 PM
BaaS. I didn't know how much I need that service!
 
Lol, I guess some race condn stuffs
 
@JanDvorak Foul redirection!
 
@Closey my reviews today
 
Sam
Yay waffles
 
6:46 PM
@Closey my stats
 
@Tunaki You've reviewed 57 posts today (of which 3 were audits). The time between your first and last review today was 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 53 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 37 seconds.
 
I still love you hunny. Even if you change jargon.
 
And this is why SO is such a nice place. A human can love a bot and no one shows up and starts protesting :)
 
reviewing after 3 days :/
 
@NathanOliver thats because the haters havent found us yet
 
6:50 PM
any thoughts on this?
 
@Adriaan I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@NathanOliver human?
 
@BhargavRao I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Kyll even the French are human in here.
 
@Kyll And Spearrels.
 
6:51 PM
@rene sounds like POB.
 
OK
 
@NathanOliver =D
 
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
 
@rene Went with TB
 
yeah. The question had >20 bullets/list elements. Very broad.
 
6:58 PM
@rene should be closed as "go ask reddit instead"
 
yeah, the OP responded to my comment
 
or quora
 
@ArtOfCode For me no problem, I have already made an account and I trust you with the use you will do with it, some spam from Undo is always welcome.
 
dont get me wrong, database migration is a good subject, its just way too big of a problem to be solving here on SO.
also, it usually depends on the RDBMS in question. have fun doing migrations with mysql when it doesnt support altering the schema in transactions!
 
true that
I mentioned both reddit and Quora to keep @cimmanon and @jan happy...
 
7:04 PM
Adriaan passed a audit!
 
@AndrasDeak see that^? I know python!
 
tricky audit though
 
@Tunaki no it's not
 
@Tunaki I have no idea, I just opened the link :P
 
0 score, long post, 3-digit view count
 
7:06 PM
I know. But look at the edit 2. It smells no repro.
 
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
 
@AndrasDeak long-post can be too broad/POB easily
or "here's all my code in 27 functions. PLZ debug"
 
@Tunaki point is, you get suspicious, and open up the question in a new tab;)
 
@Tunaki smells like no repo to me as well. enough so that I have voted to close for that..
 
@NathanOliver we can still VTC now that I passed the audit :D
 
7:11 PM
Also too broad.
 
@PetterFriberg I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@gunr2171 Seen the last episode of Last Week Tonight yet?
 
yep, during lunch
 
Winrar licenses, the most useful things!
 
@Adriaan at least his mom was (somewhat) taking an interest in her son(?). i dont think my mom even knows what i do
 
7:15 PM
@gunr2171 Did the Mumble certificate change again?
 
yeah, I had to remake the server
 
Uh, k
 
so that you would stop complaining about me not having admin privileges
 
I was rejoicing.
 
@cimmanon My mom tries really hard
 
7:16 PM
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
 
Welp, I'm Mumbling now. Still hesitant on what I'll play
 
But her eyes glaze over when I start speaking.
@Kyll mumble mumble Mumble mumble mumble
 
@MadaraUchiha sounds like my mum when me and dad discuss physics over dinner
 
@MadaraUchiha and also my parents ask me for technical advice or how to use their iPhones.
 
7:17 PM
@ryanyuyu I normally respond with lmgtfy links.
 
Mhhh, I wonder if a huge black charging drunkard with a sword would match the colour of my Quick-Fix...
 
@MadaraUchiha haha. But for me it's usually just appended to a normal phone call. A "while we're talking" kinda thing.
 
@ryanyuyu When they ask about the PC just suggest alt+F4
 
@BhargavRao You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 3 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 28 minutes and 1 second, averaging to a review every 28 seconds.
 
@PetterFriberg dad has a Mac at home. So it would have to be command + Q.
 
7:21 PM
@ryanyuyu Oh, I'm so sorry. I hope your father gets well soon.
 
shots fired
 
#noContext
 
#!Context
and back to work
 
@gunr2171 that looks like some esoteric chat bot command.
 
7:23 PM
"hashtag not Context"
 
@BhargavRao seems good enough for MSO. so yeah.
 
Found that while scanning tumbleweed posts
 
@gunr2171 I keep reading # as "Sharp" and weirding out my friends
 
@rene is that related to that meta post from earlier?
 
yep
 
7:24 PM
ah. So then vandalism is appropriate.
3
 
Vandalism is never app... oh. you mean the flag.
 
Oh. I went with "No improvement"
 
Yeah sorry. I meant the "spam/vandalism" reason.
 
You do remember you can be a bit annoying @jan?
 
I'm not trying to be annoying. I'm trying to be funny. Apologies.
 
7:27 PM
classic.
 
@Everyone: Jan tries to be funny
I solved that for you!
I'm a nice flower
 
Does that mean you smell nice too?
 
I'm not going to try to smell rene
 
@ryanyuyu I dunno, I don't have a nose
 
7:30 PM
What's the olfactory equivalent of a mirror?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara That ain't the dupe tho
 
@ryanyuyu A girlfriend
 
@BhargavRao Why not? Oh I see now. Mis-read the question.
 
@Kyll ha. Not as accessible as a mirror though.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Yep
 
7:34 PM
@ryanyuyu Depends if you're a vampire or not
 
@Kyll depends on the kind of vampire too. Twilight? Supernatural? Hellsing? Discworld?
 
A were would have a better nose.
 
@ryanyuyu Classic
 
Reminder to all. 5 days left in the CV test. Don't get shocked when the extra close votes disappear.
 
@NathanOliver I take responsibility for not spending all 60 votes. That's a lot of votes.
 
7:37 PM
does this look like a link-only answer? stackoverflow.com/a/36557694/1652962
 
For you that report to smokey related to @Ferrybig post (no spam flag) use tp- (to indicate that post was catch it at system level.) cc @Tunaki, indications from ArtOfCode and sounds solid (similar to edits, "ddfdf" answers >1 rep ecc.)
 
@cimmanon it fits the "link-only-answer" VLQ comment. I'm not convinced it isn't spam though.
I think both Spam and VLQ flags are appropriate.
 
@ryanyuyu No worries. We were not supposed to change our habits.
 
@ryanyuyu Why spam? "I created this npm module "
 
@ryanyuyu the author discloses that they wrote it. i dont think it is spam
 
7:42 PM
That's fair, but it still fails the portion of actually providing an answer. It fails the "don't tell, show" guideline of promotion
 
@cimmanon If it is anything it is NAA. He should at least include an usage example.
 
Time to examine the question?
 
JAL
unclear, not spam
 
Is it too broad? Even though the question mentions not using libraries, it's already attracted to different off-site resources.
 
I went with unclear for the SD report
 
7:47 PM
Whoa. It jumped from -1 to -11 in my view.
 
@ryanyuyu the question seems ok, but i dont think there is a reasonable way to solve the guy's problem other than refactor his code
 
@cimmanon Ok. Yeah I have no domain knowledge there, so I couldn't tell what the scope was.
 
@WaiHaLee I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Closey room effectiveness
 
the command has been changed : )
 
7:56 PM
Sigh, Everything happens when I am not there ;_;
 
maybe room stats can't remember...
@Closey room stats
 
@PetterFriberg 10 members (10% of this room's able reviewers) have processed 393 review items today, which accounts for 17.58% of all CV reviews today.
 
Why change that command? Shows fists to Sam
 
Blame Sam!
 
To confuse you seems like a good reason
 
Sam
7:58 PM
@BhargavRao Shows the issue on GH.
 
Adriaan passed a audit!
 
@Clo my audit stats
 
@Adriaan You've completed 30 audits:
 | Tag Name         | %    | Count |
 |---------------------------------|
 | python           | 20   | 6     |
 | c#               | 10   | 3     |
 | c++              | 10   | 3     |
 | java             | 10   | 3     |
 | javascript       | 6.67 | 2     |
 | machine-learning | 6.67 | 2     |
 | php              | 6.67 | 2     |
 | delphi           | 3.33 | 1     |
 | haskell          | 3.33 | 1     |
 | html             | 3.33 | 1     |
 | ios              | 3.33 | 1     |
 | list             | 3.33 | 1     |
 
heh, there's no in there
 
Wait, 30 audits out of 60 reviews?
 
8:01 PM
I think it's all-time audits.
 
Sam
^
 
@Closey my audit stats
 
@BhargavRao Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean status?
@BhargavRao You've completed 40 audits:
 | Tag Name      | %   | Count |
 |-----------------------------|
 | java          | 15  | 6     |
 | c++           | 10  | 4     |
 | ios           | 10  | 4     |
 | python        | 10  | 4     |
 | c#            | 7.5 | 3     |
 | javascript    | 7.5 | 3     |
 | php           | 7.5 | 3     |
 | asp.net       | 2.5 | 1     |
 | delphi        | 2.5 | 1     |
 | f#            | 2.5 | 1     |
 | jquery        | 2.5 | 1     |
 | kotlin        | 2.5 | 1     |
 | performance   | 2.5 | 1     |
 | perl          | 2.5 | 1     |
 
is this a good tag wiki? Lacks user guidance I think
 
There should be a way to place an edit lock for just anonymous users.
 
8:04 PM
that ^
 
that was quick..
 
New 30K user priv. Place rep based locks on questions an answers.
 
@NathanOliver doesn't "protected" work like that already?
 
@Floern This edit defaces the post in order to promote a product or service, or is deliberately destructive Where does he do that? Punctuation link somewhere?
 
8:07 PM
The problem is protected just prevents new answers, not edits.
 
@Adriaan ^
 
NATO has been abandoned for at least 6 hours now btw. NAAers are free!
 
stackoverflow.com/posts/5124769/revisions What do I miss on this question, that there is such a war about the code formatting?
 
@Rizier123 doesn't, but he is a troll
 
@Floern How do you know? It just says "anonymous user"
 
8:10 PM
@Tunaki Yeah I'm posting like a freak... hehe no one will notice my hidden links to tuna.com
 
I doubt it's another user
 
@Rizier123 The same edit keeps being proposed by an anonymous user. It's almost definitely the same person with nothing better to do.
 
@PetterFriberg :)
 
Wasn't there a dispute on arcade.se with some mod drama where the OP was targetted?
 
Ah I see. Somehow I missed that meta post
 
8:12 PM
any link to meta?
 
Why does for (var i in null_object) enter the loop body more than zero times? - meh, I wonder how many mistakes would have been avoided if JavaScript hadn't made implicit type conversions. Should this be closed as "no repro"?
 
@Gothdo Why do you think is typo?, find a dup to close it.
 
@PetterFriberg I'm looking for a good dupe target, but it seems that there isn't yet a canonical question which explains why you can save only strings in localStorage.
 
Then leave it, can't see typo in it... (hence user was expecting null, he did not put null for mistake) - I would edit some the question to high light the localStorage problem
 
8:19 PM
Wai Ha Lee passed an audit!
 
Should I cv-pls old off-site resource recommendation questions (not attracting new answers)?
 
@Gothdo meh
 
@Gothdo Not worth the CVs imho
 
I would not recommend, we have limited close votes, and those old questions don't do harm. it only inflages the queue
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
Adriaan passed a audit!
 
8:27 PM
@Closey My first matlab audit! Jay!
 
rene passed a audit!
rene passed a audit!
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
Adriaan passed an audit!
@Adriaan You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 4 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 1 hour, 54 minutes, and 46 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 54 seconds.
 
JAL
8:44 PM
@Closey next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@JAL The next 5 tags are: 32, 31, 27, 27, 24
 
@Closey my stats
 
@Adriaan You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 4 were audits). The time between your first and last review today was 1 hour, 54 minutes, and 46 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 54 seconds.
@JAL I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Heck. I just reviewed a good suggested edit. It happens \o/
 
JAL
\o\ /o/
 
8:49 PM
Heck I just got a suggested edit approved, It happens...
 
this answer is an exact duplicate of a cross-site answer by the same user, on essentially the same question (OP even said he didn't get enough attention there) original answer what to do in this case?
 
@rene You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 4 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 27 minutes and 53 seconds, averaging to a review every 27 seconds.
 
@Clo room stats
 
@Kyll 12 members (12% of this room's able reviewers) have processed 553 review items today, which accounts for 22.61% of all CV reviews today.
 
.... There's a hundred reviewers in here?
 
8:53 PM
553 / 60 ~ 10
 
@Adriaan I would just leave it
 
... but that's not what you're saying.
 
What would be a good reason to close vote really really basic questions? (for example right now this: stackoverflow.com/questions/36558959/…)
it's literally the first hit on google (but not an answer from SO)
 
@AlexanderDerck best thing to do is find a duplicate target
still reading...
 
^
 
8:56 PM
but this is what downvoting is for: "lack of research"
 
it still got 2 upvotes strangely enough
@gunr2171 Saw that one too, but it's not really a duplicate isn't it
his question is just way more specific (which makes it bad imo)
 
it's the canonical duplicate target.
 
yeah it's good, you can't answer for every class
 
@Tunaki title and you fixed it
 
The Unicode guys must be pulling their hairs off. (Source)
 
8:59 PM
wafflez
 
back
 
leaving now, time to drive home
 
😁
 
I'm out, need sleep ...
 
9:04 PM
@AlexanderDerck OP even accepted it ; )
 
Sam
Cya Out
 
cya
 
Cya rene
 
And you all wasted 3 CV
 
@Sam You should stop talking to Mogsdad
 
Sam
9:05 PM
@Kyll He's Dad, not Out though.
 
Cya Sam!
 
Are the 60 close votes a day going to last now? I remember reading they were experimenting with it for a month or something.
 
@AlexanderDerck Depends on our performance
 
Lets hope it ends soon : )
 
month isn't over yet
 
9:07 PM
@Closey my stats
 
@PetterFriberg You've reviewed 42 posts today (of which 3 were audits). The time between your first and last review today was 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 24 seconds, averaging to a review every 2 minutes and 19 seconds.
 
huh 18 to go....
 
@Closey my stats
 
@JanDvorak You've reviewed 0 posts today.
 
Slacker : )
 
9:08 PM
An eloquent way to put it
 
Bye all, Time to sleep \o
 
@Tunaki Done
 
o>
(that's a facepalm emoticon)
 
9:13 PM
@JanDvorak According to wikipedia this is a facepalm: (-‸ლ)
 
works, too :-)
 
how is that a face palm
somebody's wrong here!
 
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 2 hours.
heck no, I need to sleep some....
 
There's only on a math site that you can read
> There is a hidden elegance even in the meaning of the "That's obvious" comment at the beginning.
 
9:31 PM
meh?
 
sounds like the regex could be improved there :p
 
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
@Closey my stats
 
@CindyMeister You've reviewed 49 posts today (of which 1 was an audit). The time between your first and last review today was 37 minutes and 53 seconds, averaging to a review every 46 seconds.
 
Eh, I don't think the time for the span of reviews was that short...
 
9:39 PM
@Closey my stats
 
@PetterFriberg You've reviewed 53 posts today (of which 3 were audits). The time between your first and last review today was 2 hours, 6 minutes, and 24 seconds, averaging to a review every 2 minutes and 23 seconds.
 
@CindyMeister Yeah compared to me, really quick : )
@Closey room stats details
 
@PetterFriberg Today, 12 members have reviewed a total of 578 items.
 | User           | Review Items Today |
 |-------------------------------------|
 | Adriaan        | 60                 |
 | Ian            | 60                 |
 | Bhargav Rao    | 59                 |
 | rene           | 58                 |
 | Tunaki         | 57                 |
 | Tushar         | 55                 |
 | Petter Friberg | 53                 |
 | Cindy Meister  | 50                 |
 | Mogsdad        | 48                 |
 | Wai Ha Lee     | 46                 |
 | Magisch        | 29                 |
 
@Closey room stats
 
@PetterFriberg 12 members (12% of this room's able reviewers) have processed 582 review items today, which accounts for 22.91% of all CV reviews today.
 
9:45 PM
night!
 
Sam
Cya
@JanDvorak Yeah
 
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
Does this question warrant deletion? stackoverflow.com/questions/448963/…
 
good night
 
9:57 PM
@WaiHaLee You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 4 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 2 hours and 4 minutes, averaging to a review every 2 minutes and 4 seconds.
 
10:21 PM
Plop!
 
Sam
Hey Kevin
 
Splat!
 
Wow, two ROs are saying "Hello" to me. What does it mean?
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's gunr2171's fault.
 
Oh, so which means that it's gunr's fault. Thanks Smokey.
 
Sam
10:48 PM
@KevinGuan It means I have no life and should get to bed.
Night all
 
lol, Night!
 
Plop Kevin
I'm tired as hell
Good night Kevin
We should get you going again JS-wise
 
@Kyll Okay, I was little busy last week end so I didn't go to the JS class. I think I can learn more this evening/tomorrow =p
And Plop/bonne nuit!
 

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