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13:00
@cybermonkey He's trying to convert his Python code to C# code, maybe little No MCVE, but it's clear. I was asking Sam for the issue of his code.
author also hasn't given us any output from their code either, so we can't see what's wrong if it is a simple error
Sam
Sam
@cybermonkey I've just said there's a simple compile-time error.
Someone has nominated this for dup closure with a target of this. Problem: the potential target is about list, while current question is about possible Python 2 set deprecation.
I'm not gambling on that one.
Sam
Sam
@KevinGuan OP solved it.
Annnd self-deleted.
@TigerhawkT3 Hmm...but the real issue is the same. I'd say it's a good dupe target.
@Sam Okay, then there's no rep for you :P
@KevinGuan So would I, but I can almost guarantee that it would be immediately reopened. No point in trying.
Yeah I just say that maybe it's a good dupe, not talk about you should hammer it. Since I don't have too many close votes, I also didn't vote to close it.
Sam
Sam
@KevinGuan Meh, I don't care about rep as much as I used to. Just as long as I have 3k, I'll be happy.
RRR
RRR
13:28
@KevinGuan What should i say for this comment "if you know the answer tell me please dont just edit it"
@RRR Where's the comment? Let me tell the OP about it.
RRR
RRR
@KevinGuan will give you link of question, is it fine?
@Sam Okay, I'm still want to use these mod tools.
@RRR Sure, just don't one-box it.
@Sam 10k is still useful though :)
Sam
Sam
13:32
@JonClements Sure
But it's a long grind unless one answers questions like this.
RRR
RRR
@KevinGuan sorry, if link is not in desired format :)
Sam
Sam
Just can't see myself ever reaching that far.
@RRR It's fine, commenting... :)
RRR
RRR
@KevinGuan Thank you :)
13:37
@RRR Ah, was afk after post that comment. What do you think about it? :P
Should we expect next comment from OP, @Sam if you know the answer tell me please dont just edit it
Sam
Sam
Lol
And got a NaA, comment as answer
@Tushar Can you explain more why you think this is not a dup of this?
13:44
@Tushar Commented.
@TigerhawkT3 I read your comment and thought it is dupe, so just added comment that one is set and another is list. I don't know about Python so not mention about being dup or not in comment.
They're both of the form "I did int x = 3;, and then I did int x = 5;. Why is x == 3; evaluating to false?"
@TigerhawkT3 I guess, I misunderstood your comment, deleted comment.
People edit posts on Stack Overflow doesn't that they know the answer. We edit posts to let them be more clear and answerable. Please check the question How does editing work? on Meta Stack Exchange for more details. — Kevin Guan 17 mins ago
^ doesn't that ---> doesn't mean that.
Hate typos...
What should be close reason to close Question saying Does this code has any issue?
13:53
POB?
I might be trolling
@Tushar I'd say Unclear.
@rene Yes, you are. It's not POB
i would go with unclear
Or Debugging without including behaviour
@Tushar If it is working code it might be on-topic for CR
13:55
@Tushar Okeydoke. Glad I explained clearly. :)
I would close that question if I didn't think the answerer would reopen it.
@TigerhawkT3 Yes, but what should be close reason, it should be closed appropriately so that OP know it and can update the post accordiongly
^^^^ Based on title, and the last sentence, Closed as Unclear.
Closed as definite dup. Except it would be immediately reopened, because answers on a dupehammered question look bad.
@Tushar i am surprised it has taken this long to see one of his questions posted here
he used to post questions like that a few times a week in the html/css room, but he stopped for a while after enough of us told him to pissoff
@Tiger Is it possible to find a dupe for this? stackoverflow.com/questions/34566614/…
@KevinGuan Unclear, closed.
14:05
@Tushar Whatever, should be closed.
@KevinGuan No, using correct reason will help OP understand why it is closed
@Tushar That's what I said this morning. I'd say we can use every close reason to close it.
I also think it's too broad, agreed?
13 hours ago, by Kevin Guan
A question: Vote to close what if the question can fits reasons more than one? For example a question is asking: Which tool is the best can foo the bar? Use foo or bar? Or other tools recommend? And can you give me an example please? So... I'm voting to close this POB question as off-topic because it's too broad. ?
@KevinGuan Yes, Broad should be used when the question is clear enough
@KevinGuan There's probably a dupe somewhere, but it's already been answered anyway.
@Tushar Huh? So Unclear > Too broad. What about others like off-topic, POB, and dupe?
@TigerhawkT3 Which one?
Oh, understand now.
14:11
@KevinGuan I was talking about this case
So what's the answer of my question?
@KevinGuan Let's just leave that. Important thing is that the question is closed. :)
@Tushar Huh, okay :)
I told them it was OT and they said I'm frustrated... Lol
@black Hmm...I'd suggest use clear reason when you send a request. I mean use professional server instead of just OT (or Off-Topic).
14:55
Plop!
user3956566
@Kyll \o
@KevinGuan There's one more difference: while is a loop and doesn't need a ; at the end, but do..while is an instruction and does need one. Note that due to ASI (Automatic Semicolon Insertion), forgetting the semicolon after a do..while generally isn't an issue
@Kyll Oh yeah, I saw it. However, You Don't Know JS (yeah, you don't know :P) really is very good.
@KevinGuan Glad you like it. It's quite packed with data.
15:05
Yeah, the only issue is I need learn English rather than learn JS. :P
@KevinGuan is that I need to learn English =p (not sure you absolutely need the that)
@Tunaki Plop!
@Kyll See, I really need learn English :P
@Kyll Wow, 235 upvotes, no downvotes, viewed 160688 times.
@Tunaki Wait, what about other answers there? Such as this one? Also that answer is a community wiki...
@Tunaki does that really need a spam report?
15:15
@rene The website appears to be owned by the answerer via the nickname. It does not disclose any affiliation, and is pure link-only. Spam enough for me, I voted as so.
@Kyll It is his blog, yeah. He owns that, sure. User posted as CW. Does it really need the -100 penalty? Bad user! Don't do that evar again!
@rene It's spam even if CW. I don't really care if the user gets -100 rep, to be honest. And yes, "Don't do that evar again". Whether or not this user deserves the -100 rep is not up to me but to the diamond reviewing the flags.
OK
user3956566
@MsYvette Sure, but why? I think the same goes for reopen requests reviews as for close ones. Did you make the question less broad, etc..?
user3956566
15:24
I provided a useful answer. I am also having an incessant tug of war with the OP, custom flagged, Op keeps changing the question to make my answer useless and has attempted to edit my answer. Driving me nuts
user3956566
@Kyll I look at questions like this. If they have a good answer, then they are answerable. I had no difficulty interpreting and answering the question
Way too much code in there, commented as such
if it helps ...
@MsYvette That is when you delete your answer, close the tab, and move on.
Maybe pet a puppy.
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 I don't want to delete the answer it's one of the few answers I've ever received votes for and it
user3956566
15:27
's a good answer
cant delete accepted answers anyway
user3956566
it didn't need a stack trace, it was evident what was wrong
user3956566
well sometimes min ver etc can be a bit much when you can read the code and see what is wrong
Got votes? Then skip step 1.
user3956566
the OP is trying to get it reopened by editing it and cannot, because it has an answer and cannot be changed
15:28
i am hesitant to reopen because it has so much code there. is the commented out portion even relevant to the problem?
user3956566
I'll have a look
@MsYvette They may not need a stack trace, but huge code dumps are not useful
also, the title is completely useless to future users
user3956566
I think the problem was, the OP was doing it all separately and it was simple enough to look through it and find what was missing.
user3956566
Yeh it can be edited. I hadn't looked at it for ages
user3956566
15:30
OP may be trying to get Q ban lifted
if you can trim it down to be a good question to match the good answer, then i will vote to reopen
Same here
Also, the first comment on your answer smells a lot like vampiring...
user3956566
@cimmanon fair enough
user3956566
which one Kyll?
user3956566
oh maybe we should delete the lot I dunno
15:33
"I do not understand how I am supposed to implement this :/ Is it possible for you to elaborate further?" is generally the first step of vampiring
user3956566
I'm defensive cos I've answered 10 questions to get 30 rep points and managed to get 10 and if that is lost I will got down another 50.. so I am biased
user3956566
can 10k users see if there's any deleted posts? I'm wondering if op has a Q ban
user3956566
@Kyll yeh they can go either way and too often down the bad path
We can see deleted posts, but only by going to their last known location. They aren't enumerated in profiles/etc.
user3956566
ah k, I really don't know how to edit it without making it unanswerable sorry
15:41
@MsYvette That question has approximately 300% more code than most people are willing to put up with and read through to see if it matches their issue.
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 yeh, but I couldn't have answered it without it all there and I thought my solution was neat. People will still search on it.. I'm sure OP is not he only novice to do that
user3956566
teaches modularisation etc
user3956566
I jsut remember one of my first Qs on SO, and it asked what a parameter was :)
user3956566
LOLOLOL
user3956566
so this one is brilliant by comparison
user3956566
15:43
I actually felt good with that answer.. it truly happens so rarely, trust it to be on a useless question
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:P
user3956566
fart noises
user3956566
hey no one is allowed to upvote me from here! particularly seeing I complain about my rep
Why should it be reopened, by the way?
user3956566
cos I actual think it's ok. I understood it and answered it, that's the honest truth. why I am asking now?
15:50
Sleep time, night everyone!
user3956566
because OP edited my answer and drew my attention to it and I noticed Op also had edited Q again
user3956566
Night K
@KevinGuan Night Kevin!
Bonne nuit @KevinGuan
user3956566
sometimes questions do have a lot of code, including upvoted ones.
15:51
Nite @Kev, Plop @Kyll HNY!
user3956566
well some android ones certainly do
@kayess Thans, bonne année to you! =D
@MsYvette If it's reopened, I might close-vote it because of the code length
user3956566
I want to get to 10k before asking to have my old account joined to this one
user3956566
@Kyll that's not a reason to close vote something. Not if all the code is relevant
user3956566
but you can vote in whatever way you please
user3956566
15:53
\o @Venkatraman
That question is months old. The asker has apparently been back recently, but they don't have any activity other than that question. What useful result could there be from having it reopened?
Most of the code is commented out, and its relevance is not described in the question. Why is it even here? -- Never mind it's described and apparently relevant...
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 that is my idea of thinking maybe op has a question ban
user3956566
@Kyll it IS described in the question
user3956566
thank you mr spearral
15:54
It certainly is possible that OP has done other stuff but the stuff hasn't been good.
user3956566
I change how I spell spearrel every time I write it
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 I suspect that, maybe we should ping @MadaraUchiha or @JonClements
I have my question which is 2 years old. i would like to remove instead of close. its too old and post during early SO member stage !
@MsYvette Yep, sorry, missed the line. So the commented part is about winning conditions, which is the part causing issues according to the rest of the post and its title... Why is it commented?
@Venkatraman Is it upvoted? If it has no votes and no upvoted answers, closing it will eventually mean deletion
user3956566
@Venkatraman you need to contact the community team and ask for it to be disassociated from your account
user3956566
15:55
I have done that a long time ago.
how can i do that
user3956566
@Kyll well it could be uncommented
What's up?
user3956566
@Venkatraman I'll get you a link
Plop @Jon
user3956566
15:56
@JonClements thanks
user3956566
let me get you a link
Thanks @MsYvette
user3956566
@Venkatraman give me a minute I'm just talking to the mod, I won't forget you
user3956566
The op keeps trying to edit it and I suspect the OP may have a Q ban so is trying to improve it.
user3956566
15:57
I'm struggling to get it reopened. The argument is, there's too much code, but the code is actually relevant to the question, as I needed all of it to answer it
user3956566
so we are wondering does the op have a Q ban, could that be why they're struggling so hard to edit it
@Venkatraman It is downvoted and the answers do not have any upvote. Closing it will trigger the Roomba.
I probably shouldn't say - but no - they don't
user3956566
ah k
user3956566
15:59
hm
its very old question. few users are misusing by doing down vote !
user3956566
so what do we do, I've tried to talk to Op a few times about editing it out of scope for answer. And Op doesn't seem to understand
user3956566
I raised a custom flag.
I'm reading that now
user3956566
Also there is the issue that the Q is too long, has too much code, but the code is all relevant
user3956566
16:00
@Kyll you'll need to explain that to him Kyll
its a finest question. due to my early stage. iam unable to explain properly.
user3956566
@Venkatraman I understand, one of my first questions I was asking what a parameter was
i have noticed recently peopel misusing that question. so i have updated the question very clearly
@Venkatraman I don't know much CSS, I didn't understand your issue. @cimmanon could you please have a look at it and maybe even edit it to make it clearer?
user3956566
Can we try and delete that question guys? what is the policy on this?
16:02
i believe 2 peiple downvoted that question again
@Venkatraman Sharing a post generally means people will judge it.
@Kyll i am sure it is probably a duplicate. if i close it as such, it wont get roombad
user3956566
@cimmanon can we try and delte it?
it would be better for him if we closed it as unclear and either vote to delete it or let the roomba take care of it
@MsYvette Closing it will delete it.
16:03
+1 for @MsYvette
it'd need to be closed again and then get 3 10k+ users to vote to delete
hold off, I'm thinking what's best
Sir Puppy yes puppy
user3956566
@JonClements which ones?
I've purged the comments and deleted the post
its currently marked as on hold. its not possible to delete !
16:08
@Venkatraman Your question is now closed as unclear. It has a negative score, and the answers have a negative score too. It will be deleted soon, if I am not mistaken. See "RemoveAbandonedClosed"
let's move on and upwards
@Venkatraman ?
@Venkatraman So in 10 days you should get your rep back =)
Thanks Kyll
oh are we voting to delete it? it currently has 1 del vote on it
user3956566
16:13
does anyone know what happens to your rep when a post is deleted?
@MsYvette You lose it and get a notification.
@MsYvette IIRC all associated rep is destroyed unless you earned more than a threshold, maybe 200
@MsYvette if it has enough upvotes (+3 score?) and is over a certain age, you keep the rep
user3956566
wonder how long is a certain age.
Might want to add this data into the faq if you happen to find it
16:29
Night all.
Bonne nuit!
user3956566
Is it ok for me to delelte some of my zero score answers?
user3956566
@cimmanon I can't find a link for that?
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Q: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

jjnguyWhat circumstances can cause a question or answer to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? How can a post be deleted? When can't I delete my own post? Can I see a list of my deleted posts? How can I undelete one of my posts? What does deletion mean for a post? How do votes to delete wo...

user3956566
thanks cim!
16:33
> answerers do not lose rep for quality answers since 60-day old reputation is not removed when the post is deleted as long as the post scores 3 or more
@cimmanon Missed it, thanks!
user3956566
> Reputation changes from bounties, votes (both up and down), and acceptances on deleted posts (including answers to a deleted question) are nullified. (Exception: Reputation earned for posts with a score of three or higher, and where the post has been visible on the site for at least 60 days, is retained).
user3956566
I have soooooooooooooooooooooo many zero vote answers, I'm deleting the ones I think are no good, or the question has been closed.. I'm hoping this doesn't give me a post ban... sounds like a question for meta (nope not going there!)
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Q: Deleting your answers that dont get any response

Hanky 웃 PankyI have this habit of deleting my answers which do not appear to get any feedback. Feedback can be either in terms of votes (up / down) or any comment or getting accepted. I usually feel such an answer doesn't do any good and its just another answer in the list. Is this against the guidelines? Ca...

@MsYvette That's generally a poor idea if your goal is to not get answer-banned
You have enough answers that you're probably not going to be, but still
user3956566
16:45
@Undo yep found the meta answer, if they're not wrong, just leave them
morning!
That's what I do
user3956566
as they're community property so to speak, so don't have the right to delete them unless they're bad
user3956566
hi \o
user3956566
if they're bad, like totally wrong I delete them
user3956566
16:47
and I deleted a couple of zero score on closed, downvoted questions
17:22
@JarrodRoberson Requesting NAA flags is banned here
17:38
Kull, Ms Yvette and Team, how many days will be taken for this question to be deleted. stackoverflow.com/questions/19177443/…
@Venkatraman i believe someone said it would take 10 days
You can't delete right now (I'm guessing because there is more than one answer)?
This room is really helpful. thank team. what is life span of this room !
it has a lot of downvotes how about a 20k user
there, i just cast the binding delete vote for you
17:40
in general tho forget about it just move on
@Venkatraman It's been deleted so I suppose a few 10k users cast a delete vote on it
will get all my reputation back !
i think so?
so it will take 10 days is it ?
nah, we deleted it for you early
17:50
thanks its got deleted. my question is about repu.... getting back will take 10 days is it
@Tiny - See where this shows up in the Recent Unclosed Requests... the stats on the right are for the suggested duplicate, not for the question being closed. It's only an issue when we put two questions in a cv-pls request.
So I just need to update?
user4639281
Yep
18:07
Sweet. Should have realized you'd be on top of it.
user4639281
Not like that's ever been true before :P
user4639281
It sucks not having the updater that the cv-pls script has, but it would also suck to have 2 files for every script I've written.
This is interesting. The question won't load, but you've got stats for it.
user4639281
@Mogsdad I only look for the last part of the link.
user4639281
so if someone bungs up the first part, it will still get you the stats. It doesn't fix the link though.
user4639281
18:18
That one's been on there so long because no one wants to add the .com in the address bar.
user4639281
18:28
@rene Lol, both the target and the dupe have 4 close votes.
:)
user4639281
Both closed now as dupes, big 'ol dupe chain right there.
user4639281
Any editing suggestions on this one?
user4639281
@kayess I'd say that is fairly unclear, and most likely too broad if clarified.
user4639281
18:35
Also, somewhat pob, but that could be edited out.
user4639281
brb
@TinyGiant I thought the same, just asked here to see more advanced ideas about editing possibilities.
user3956566
man just came back from answering a question, there is so much noise there. I actually solved the problem but the Op is trying everything each of the 5 much edited answers and multiple comments is saying.
Oh, a new one:
> i have seen thounsand of videos on youtube
After "I have read the entire internet"...
@MsYvette yeah lots of noise. everyone is now a programmer.. same as photographers..
Looks at Sam
user3956566
18:49
@kayess Sam likes his pics :)
user3956566
@kayess I felt sorry for the op, he felt he had to explain to everyone why their ideas weren't working
user3956566
I said you don't have to do that
user3956566
sorry I know I muddy the review waters here with stories from the outside world :)
user3956566
it's 5.52am here
user3956566
morning all
18:52
@Pham next 5 tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Tunaki The next 5 tags are: 50, 44, 36, 33, 30
@MsYvette o/
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
user3956566
hm how do I post this stackoverflow.com/questions/34563265/… image into a question
There's a minimum rep requirement to post images I think.
user3956566
18:57
Yeh there is, so Op have posted a link and I'm wanting to post it into Q. I just don't know how to get it from that link.
Tunaki passed a audit!
@MsYvette Oh, copy URL and in edit mode, click "Image" and paste that URL.
user3956566
even from this format imgur.com/To8yTiq?
@MsYvette Link
user3956566
ah i at the front?
19:00
more .png at the end :)
lol
\o Mr. Teanaki
user3956566
ooh yeh didn't look at the end
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[image] [.net] [forms]"
I answered a question, and now the OP/user is deleted
Why?
He was active before 12 minutes
19:05
The system got scared and panicked.
Could I get one more reopen for stackoverflow.com/questions/34559176/… please? The problem is immediately obvious once he posted the long form.
user4639281
nvm
Are such questions on topic?
user4639281
@Tunaki It would probably be a better fit for the golf site, but it is on-topic here. It doesn't seem too broad.
user4639281
That custom vote is an abuse of the custom reason field.
19:18
@TinyGiant yeah...
Gnite!
Night!
user4639281
Night!
close reason for this: stackoverflow.com/q/11966521 ?
user4639281
Unclear what you're asking. Neither of the question statements are considered valid question statements.
19:20
attracting resource req
user4639281
The questions are as follows:
user4639281
> Anybody from India faced this problem?
> Does anybody has solution for this?
Tunaki passed a audit!
@Tunaki You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 31 minutes, averaging to a review every 48 seconds.
Thanks @Pham. Btw, why do you ping me every day?
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
19:25
Figured as well...
user4639281
@Tunaki That's gonna change soon
@kayess That was a quick night :D
19:44
@Drew "we are not customer support for your favorite company"?
I went with the recommended close reason. My custom reason wouldn't read too well
user4639281
We're actually customer support for your least favorite company.
@Drew Hmm?
@AlexanderO'Mara Although I appreciate reporting I rather have this room keep it to Stack Overflow. You can report those in Tavern on the Meta. Sorry.
19:58
@rene Fair enough.
@AlexanderO'Mara Are you a registered smokey user in the tavern?
I don't think I'm a registered smokey user anywhere.
You can type the command !!/amiprivileged to check whether you are registered or not.
@AlexanderO'Mara I have reported the gamedev one in the Tavern
!!/amiprivileged
20:01
@AlexanderO'Mara No, you are not a privileged user.
Nope, didn't think so.
let me fix that
@AlexanderO'Mara here is a PR pending: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/120
@rene M'kay.
happy new year!
user4639281
HNY!
20:12
@honk Happy new Year!
I'm rejecting and editing so don't burn your votes people
user4639281
@honk rejecturd
user4639281
I editurd
Oh
Guess I was Ninja'd
user4639281
No, you got Magic'd
Thank you! Yeah, should have rejected & edited by myself...
20:17
@AlexanderO'Mara you should be privileged now
!!/amiprivileged
@AlexanderO'Mara Yes, you are a privileged user.
And so I am.
Sam
Sam
@Yam stats
Yam
Yam
Posts being watched: 351. Posts pending review: 2.
Sam
Sam
20:20
I'll disable Closey V2's ping at midnight feature now.
@AlexanderO'Mara Are you acquainted with how Smokey should be used?
@Tunaki Roughly, I'll check the docs again.
Gotta head out at the moment though.
Later.
Cya o/
user4639281
Cya o/
Sam
Sam
Cya o/
20:24
Just a note to anyone reporting posts from users that link to their own blog, @NormalHuman gets really annoyed by those kind of reports. So please make sure that by the time they are fed up you are ready to exchange arguments ...
Is there a guidance somewhere about adding picture to tag wiki?
@Tunaki I don't recall any
there was a tag wiki edit similar to that a few days ago that got rejected, but i think the only thing the edit added was the image
user4639281
Tag wikis can't display images iirc
@rene I do too, for the record.
user4639281
20:34
I don't like it either, for the record.
There has been discussion about it and I'm not yet there to have a final verdict
@rene Do you have a link for the nosy ones? ;)
@honk it is scattered in the transcript, I didn't take the time to organize it
My laid back style of moderating is going to bite me again I guess
@rene NP for me :)

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