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@Drew Is it spam, or just low-quality?
unreg user day 1 unsolic self-promotion suspicion etc
clearly NAA by site terms
@Drew I'd say it's VLQ NAA. He's answering the question. And the link is just a blog post, not spamming tools or other things.
There is another answer identical to it deleted.
On both questions.
danke
05:09
Both have lots of deleted junk, so I've protected both.
ditto
Community deleted one, and a moderator the other.
I've closed rather than protect
@JonClements That works too. =)
and community deleted one because I spam flagged it, then destroyed the user
Good job keeping an eye out though - thanks!
05:11
thank you sir mod
@JonClements Ah...I still think they're not spam. But delete needed.
They do seem kind-of spam-ish, perhaps trying to create links to their site where they sell stuff.
@Kevin we've seen it before and there's enough deleted posts coming from the some area that we consider it spam... so the accounts get nuked
REALLY? sigh, need get 10k rep...
I don't see any more than you can see Kevin (on that one)
05:16
@Drew Sure, Jon has Ninja eyes.
I am counting on it
@Drew well.. it's hard to miss the other deleted post on that Q with the same link :)
I didn't look that hard apparently. I was in off to his other answers immediately
yeah - perhaps not best to always think to do that - focus on the post - not the user - mods will deal with users where needs be
05:35
too broad, why is this even open? stackoverflow.com/q/22214655/1816093
05:58
This question on Super User seems should be moved to Stack Overflow, agreed? superuser.com/questions/855710/…
it's from 2014 - so mods on that site couldn't move it anyway
it'd also get closed here so - don't waste a flag on it
Huh, fine.
@KevinGuan do you want to do the honors again on this answer as you did the last one for him? Or should I? stackoverflow.com/a/34562307/1816093
it's his blog that he does not disclose
06:09
@Drew Huh? Seems gone.
mod got it
Ah, fine.
06:29
I have just scored another victory against Windows 10.
how is that?
I can now power the machine off entirely without installing updates.
Format the drive and install Linux?
Oh...
It already has Linux on it (dual-boot Android and WX).
that dreaded widget won't leave my lower right
spent an hr trying to kill it (the win10 update from 8.1)
06:32
A standalone copy of WX costs $120, and this particular machine was $140 and came with WX, so I can't fault it there.
What I did was I went into power settings and changed the behavior of the power button to Hibernate.
At first I had simply left the default update settings as they were. Big mistake.
I was using that machine and my main one, and at one point I looked away from the WX machine for perhaps five minutes. When I looked back at it, it had automatically restarted to install updates.
Would you like to guess how long it took to install updates, during which the machine could be neither used nor powered off?
TWO HOURS AKLJIKL:AWEOIJHU:EASD VHKUJk
11 hours ?
Two.
And the only other update option only lets you choose when to restart or shut down, at which point it installs the updates.
there are peeps on win8 that have no idea the update is downloading to $WINDOWS.~BT
a hidden folder. 6GB. And it blows their data cap limits
the avg guy has to download twice
Does Windows 7 do that also?
No, 7 and 8 let you tell the computer "don't do a single thing unless I tell you to do it, you machine, you."
06:39
I believe the answer is yes ... i have some articles on the nightmares. Not to mention the problems once you get to win10
My main machine is running 8.1, and the most it does on its own is notify me that there are updates, with a small message at the login screen.
I mean the auto-download Windows 10 thing.
the article and my experience have been different. It is like a pandemic that cannot be turned back
msft really screwed this one up big time
The funny part is that so many other programs, even OSes, already update automatically, but no one really seems to care. I guess people have higher standards for control with Windows.
OS X asks before installing, as does every version of Linux I've used.
06:41
i hear the home/personal edition whatever you call it (without tricks) FORCES auto updates once you have wx
For upgrading to Windows 10, you had to opt in as far as I saw, so it should only download the update if you tell it to.
Does OS X let you say "no, don't install updates, ever"?
There's an option to turn it off.
I was all in favor of wx until I read how lame it is right now
I think it downloads updates in the background by default.
But there's a nice little check box in the system preferences.
And back
06:43
I mean, what if someone is using their WX laptop at the airport? Time for the flight, shut it down... it's still going... hm, updates...
I can just imagine the fun someone would have with a flight in ten minutes and a piece of electronics that insists on being on for another two hours.
Most of the time I run Windows, I just roll back the VM snapshot! =)
sweet
And the ominous "don't turn off the computer" while updates are going... the fear of having to completely reinstall the OS means most people will just endure it.
No waiting, instant shutdown, install updates when needed and create new snapshot.
At least something like Chrome is easier to reinstall if you interrupt its update process and break it.
And the power menu doesn't show the Hibernate option. It'd be nice if it had "shut down after installing updates" and "hibernate for now."
But WX still has enough Windows in it to retain the ability to rebind the machine's power button to a variety of options, including Hibernate. I win!
06:55
what is this nonsense, check answ above it ! stackoverflow.com/a/34563276/1816093
What an original answer.
Should that be flagged, by the way? If so, as what?
NAA
@KevinGuan second close vote is mine. Good point though in general. Just wanted to add some detail. — alecxe 38 secs ago
^ Do I need also suggest delete the answer and post a comment instead?
mod ?
@Drew what?
07:02
@JonClements around?
Oh, seems not.
07:25
@KevinGuan Dunno if the answer you posted a few minutes ago is too helpful.
@TigerhawkT3 Looking at your answer.
Fair enough.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@TigerhawkT3 And finally, my 15 rep was gone.
@Drew Nooooo you should use postgone command :P
a new and improved cmd ?
07:35
k
Since @MadaraUchiha wish we can check the Smokey reports and burn all spam bots.
The OP's comment on my answer makes me sad.
@kevin that doesnt make much sense to me nor does the smokey doc (as usual)
@TigerhawkT3 I'm happy that I deleted my answer so OP can't say them to me.
a doc written without much detail
07:39
Hmm...
I know what you mean. I couldn't even close a "why can't I iterate over this file twice" today without "it doesn't work, reopen plz."
Dec 29 '15 at 9:13, by Madara Uchiha
PSA: Please do not "gone" SD's spam alerts unless both the post and the user have been burned. It helps us clear out spammer users as well as their posts.
And see below.
the doc should reflect that. The doc is brief and ambiguous to say the least
I apologize on behalf of technical writing.
and what does the post and the user have been burned mean !! fcs
07:41
@TigerhawkT3 So finally, you got 25 rep and there's still no rep for me. The 10k is so far from me.
@Drew That means the spam post and the author of that post both have been deleted. You know that mods can delete users.
@Drew So cc @ProgramFOX
yeah a msg 3 days ago in the transcript log ain't helpin peeps
:P
@TigerhawkT3 (i for i in itertools.product(A, B) if i not in zip(A, B))
If you want that 10k, you have to push harder for points. If you see a typo question and it looks like you could get away with answering it... looks around, lowers voice answer it.
@TigerhawkT3 Sounds like a thief.
That looks good. I'd say save a reference to set(zip(A, B)) beforehand and reuse it, or else it'll be zipping over and over again.
07:50
@TigerhawkT3 Yeah, just talk about a even short way.
It's pretty nice. I'd like it to appear on that page, so you should either post an answer with it or leave a comment on mine I will add it in with attribution (the former would be better).
Aaaand it doesn't handle repeated elements, which the question makes no mention of, so it's getting DVs.
Funny part: the upvoters didn't change their votes, and upvotes are worth +10 while DVs are worth -2.
I suppose I'll fix it.
@TigerhawkT3 I was thinking about the second since I'm not a rep whore, and looks your answer get too many problems :P
@TigerhawkT3 Retracting upvote...wait, so I'll re-upvote once you fixed the problem? Huh, fine.
Alrighty, sorry.
@Drew I'd say so. We should go...Python chat room or a private room and talk about this.
the RO's won't like it youve heard em before
08:01
Python chat room wouldn't work for me.
@TigerhawkT3 I've just posted my answer, and deleted it immediately...Why does it return [(1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2), (1, 2)] when A is [1, 1, 1] and B is [2, 2, 2]???
@TigerhawkT3 Why?
Oh, so it's normal. sigh
blah blah blah
Because I whined about caretaker troubles, was told to stop, and did so; then someone else brought it up with me and I didn't ignore them, so I got a suspension, which I'm treating as permanent (except for once someone pinged me and I responded; might have been you).
I'm not good at peopling.
@AvinashRaj Hey, this room is being become Python chat room.
@TigerhawkT3 Huh, actually me too.
:-) But "blah blah blah" is not a python related term :-)
@KevinGuan
08:08
:D @AvinashRaj agree
@AvinashRaj lol
Ok, let's disturb closey..
@Closey start
@AvinashRaj Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
@Closey When did you understand my commands including today..
@AvinashRaj Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
If you don't feel it's useful, remove your vote. If you feel it's not useful, downvote. If you still feel it's useful, take no action.
@Drew Updated.
guys, take the voting for each other strategies to another room. Anywhere
I'm just answering... sorry, I'll stop.
i know i just don't want ya all to get reamed. Kevin has been told this many times
08:17
@MadaraUchiha Are you here around?
I could create my own room, I suppose.
user3956566
it brings a whole new meaning to get a room :)
@KevinGuan Am ct text hernow, yeah
Sup?
@MadaraUchiha Huh, please help me remove these off-topic things for SOCVR into trash.
Which started since here:
31 mins ago, by Kevin Guan
@TigerhawkT3 (i for i in itertools.product(A, B) if i not in zip(A, B))
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 I don't get it
08:19
@TigerhawkT3 WHAT'S THAT?
@MsYvette I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
user3956566
@Pham thanks Pham you bl00dy stalker
@MsYvette Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
user3956566
@Closey next 7 tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@MsYvette The next 7 tags are: 50, 44, 36, 33, 30, 29, 29
user3956566
08:21
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08:22
@KevinGuan You don't have an ongoing review session on record.
@Closey next 7 tags
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MsYvette passed a audit!
08:40
@MsYvette It's a singleton social system.
@KevinGuan What's what? Penny Arcade? It's hilarious, is what it is.
user3956566
^^ attracting answers
user3956566
09:12
can I request a deletion of this stackoverflow.com/questions/34555088/… apart from being off topic, the OP mentions it is solved in the comments.
@MsYvette You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 52 minutes, averaging to a review every 1 minutes and 20 seconds.
Yeah, that was unnecessary.
user3956566
what was?
user3956566
I used sd gone just as the next report came in so it removed the new report, so I had to report it manually
@MsYvette The tpu-. Manually reported questions are automatically tpu'd.
user3956566
09:24
@NisseEngström oh yeh I kn. sorry I didn't realise what you were referring to! lol I need coffee
user3956566
how are you?
www.stackoverflow.com << attracting answers
user3956566
hahaha, where's the link, where's the link pant pant haha
@MsYvette please remind me again in 25 hours
user3956566
@rene I'll try and I need to answer questions and then I can vote! (aka get 10k rep)
user3956566
09:25
it's nice and quiet, I think I might browse now I've finished reviewing
@MsYvette Oh, I didn't notice that.
user3956566
@NisseEngström no it happened as you were entering the room :)
@MsYvette You can reply to a specific SD message to assure that you address the correct one. Been there, done that...
user3956566
@NisseEngström ooh how?
@MsYvette By using the "reply" arrow at the right lower corner of the message. (s/assure/ensure/)
user3956566
09:31
@NisseEngström ah of course
user3956566
thanks
09:47
@TigerhawkT3 lol
And back.
@MsYvette Is this question Too Broad or No NCVE? stackoverflow.com/review/close/10751043
@ProgramFOX I want to know what does Smokey do when we reply him. And what'll happen if...for example a person said k to him but another person said f after that k?
@KevinGuan I would say too broad but unclear will do as well, or MCVE
@KevinGuan it blows up Undo's server
@rene Huh, don't know anything about android, so it's unclear for me, but seems a person understands it. That's why I asked Yvette for it...maybe it's a basic thing in android?
@rene lol
@KevinGuan sd k blacklists the user (so future posts will get reported too) and registers the post as true positive on Metasmoke. And if someone does f after k, a post gets registered as both FP and TP (I don't exactly know what Metasmoke does with that), and adds a user on both the whitelist and the blacklist, but the whitelist only comes in when a username matches any of the bad keywords/offensive keywords/... so he would still end up blacklisted.
... and after that it blows up Undo's server
Of course. :P
10:02
@ProgramFOX Huh, sounds that also could blows up Undo's server :P
Wait, isn't f == fp- so that doesn't add the user into whitelist?
Uh, of course not. FP doesn't add a user to the blacklist, it's a false positive.
Typo already fixed.
oh, no, f == fpu-
Or wait, f == fp-, I'm wrong, sorry
so it doesn't whitelist a user, @Kevin
10:05
Okay, understand ;)
G'day! And HNY!
Happy after 2 days New Year!
We allow HNY until monday ...
So after monday you roll back to last year?
Basically, yes
10:11
Huh, that's good.
No, after Monday we only allow Miserable New Year wishes.
@rene Wait, how many times did we rollback? So is it still 0001 because we rollback to last year everytimes?
user3956566
@KevinGuan possibly too broad, or better no min ver
user3956566
I'm not even sure if it's offtopic ttytt
user3956566
ttytt = to tell you the truth
10:15
Thanks for the explain, really don't know that :P
user3956566
@KevinGuan if unsure skip
@KevinGuan Groundhog year
@MsYvette Well, I'd skip it. Thanks again (not for the explain this time).
I don't think talking about a ttytt is appropriate here, off topic or otherwise.
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 vote to take it to another room
10:17
@TigerhawkT3 So did you even forget what did we do this afternoon? :P
What did we do? I remember sandwiches and I'm sticking with that.
What? Really need I mention that again? We blowed up Undo's server! Isn't this a big thing?
We do? I must have missed that part. Sometimes I'm away from chat for a bit to play LoL or something.
But I see it on the starboard.
I must've been looking to port.
See, that's what we did. And we're currently doing that (again).
Oh I see, the bot server.
10:22
Actually that means spamming this room.
@Closey stats
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10:28
@Closey @Sam WHEN CAN WE FIX THIS? ^
@KevinGuan Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
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10:30
@Sam Oh, another thing is sounds like Pham doesn't want tell me my current session when I run that command. He says there's no sessions of mine but actually he's watching me.
10:56
@JonClements (ping you since you're a Python guy) So what do you think about create a synonym about -> ? However I think is useless since we're almost all using Beautifulsoup4, and whatever, we don't have a tag called so == .
11:08
Should I flag a comment if it's completely wrong and isn't helpful for others?
@KevinGuan I would leave a new comment or use other but it needs to be crystal clear that the comment needs to go
@rene Huh, I already did that. So flags isn't needed here?
Flags aren't for technical inaccuracies.
I remember (at least) one Meta question about what should be done about inaccuracies so egregious that they may cause data loss/corruption, but I don't recall the conclusion.
@TigerhawkT3 Well, but this is for comments...Checking the FAQ about comments, buw however, what do you think about the comments here? stackoverflow.com/questions/34565045/…
Is this too-broad?
user3956566
11:14
@kayess I think so
This one as well?
@kayess ^
Ah!
"links to code or images" It's an image, and the commenter is saying that that's not good either. Then they urge the OP to "include all the relevant data in the post." I don't see the problem.
Was there a now-deleted comment that I'm missing?
user3956566
@kayess yes
11:16
Alright, thanks.
@TigerhawkT3 No, that's all.
@KevinGuan don't flag that
Sam
Sam
Morning
At most, that comment isn't super emphatic that a link to code is not okay AND an image of code is not okay.
Okay okay, do I need delete my comment?
user3956566
11:17
@KevinGuan that comment is fine, yours is not needed
@Sam HNY!
@MsYvette Fine, so I should flag mine instead of that.
user3956566
@KevinGuan yes, remember it is not a race dear ok?
Sam
Sam
@KevinGuan Afaik, working on v2 is the primary effort atm. So this probably won't get fixed.
user3956566
@KevinGuan smarty pants, go delete it
Sam
Sam
11:18
@kayess HNY!
user3956566
@Sam hey I nearly told K off for asking that, just enjoy your new year :) he gets very excited! (I envy his energy
Although, for that question in particular, I'd say the image is useful, as it's about the color of the text.
@MsYvette Done.
user3956566
@KevinGuan we're going to need a mother son talk soon lol :)
@MsYvette Okay :D
Sam
Sam
11:19
Lol
Maybe a comment along the lines of "pictures of code aren't okay, but this issue is about font colors in a GUI, so an image is appropriate."
user3956566
@KevinGuan I'm just teasing, you're good
@TigerhawkT3 Yeah, that's why I think that comment is useless. Since he can't let that image become code.
@MsYvette Wait...okay understand. :P
Sam
Sam
@KevinGuan sigh ... I've posted this numerous times:
Still, not flaggable. Just comment clarifying that images are just fine in certain contexts.
Sam
Sam
11:21
Dec 14 '15 at 15:45, by Sam
To all v2 participants: please note that Pham only saves tag/audit stats, nothing else. So you will experience weirdness when running the "last session stats" command (and other related commands).
@Pham last session stats
@KevinGuan You have no completed review sessions on record, so I can't give you any stats.
@Sam Okay understand now.
> There is no reputation requirement to post comments on MSO only;
^ Wow I don't know that.
Sam
Sam
TIL PSAs are just as useful as politicians.
user3956566
hi @RRR
RRR
RRR
11:23
hello @MsYvette
user3956566
well I've used up all my cvs for the day
@Sam So PSAs are very useful, is what you're saying?
user3956566
I answered a bounty and hope that goes well, last good bounty I answered Op accepted late comer answer and that was that. He couldn't figure out how to implement my code
RRR
RRR
@MsYvette Is my flag correct for that question?
Sam
Sam
@Yam stats
Yam
Yam
11:24
Posts being watched: 296. Posts pending review: 1.
Sam
Sam
@TigerhawkT3 There was a mild sarcastic undertone there.
user3956566
@RRR I use lackes min verif code, as I can see why you thought it was a dupe, but may not have been helpful to OP, but then may be, there wasn't quite enough information
user3956566
But very good to see you here and it doesn't matter if the close reason is not 100% right, as it's noticing the post is off topic
RRR
RRR
@MsYvette yes i have given duplicate flag just because that person wants to remove html tags from responce/string.
user3956566
@RRR yes, just Op as in different environment, so not really sure what Op knew
user3956566
android/wordpress not java/html as such
RRR
RRR
@MsYvette yes got your point :)
user3956566
hm, anyone notice we have a nude sun baking frog in the room?
Okay, is that comment about links to code or images not being acceptable accurate or not? The commenter had actually edited the post to display the image inline instead of just as a link. Is not inlining the image that bad? Seems like the kind of minor formatting issue that should be corrected via edit and then forgotten.
But it wasn't code.
1. The OP posted a link to an image of a GUI issue.
2. Someone edited it to inline the image, and commented that non-inline links aren't okay.
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 oh where's the link, it's long lost
11:36
3. So now we're flailing around trying to figure out whether non-inlined links are okay, and if users should be admonished for posting such.
The link is the same; the post was just given some image formatting to grab the image from the target and display it right in the question.
user3956566
depends on tiger. some users don't have the rep to post inline images
You can see it in the revisions.
That is an excellent point. The OP has 1 rep.
@MsYvette If so, then that comment is even useless right? That sounds like: You should do foo, but actually he can't do foo.
What's the rep to unlock that?
user3956566
I left a comment to said user. please see, and I recommend we don't post any more.
11:39
Good plan.
user3956566
I'll check TH
I'm not fond of flailing.
I feel like we've been set up to flail.
We've been given a flailing grade.
user3956566
10
user3956566
a flailing grade. what for this one comment bahahaha
user3956566
you sound like a fish, or an old fashioned catholic, take your pick.
11:41
It's the fear of flailure.
EPIC FLAIL
@MsYvette Thanks, let's move on.
user3956566
totally get it
user3956566
I'm 19 pts to 6k and I think I will be there another year, I swear to the gods, I have answered 10 questions to break the 6k mark in two days and have acheived 25 pts. mainly on other posts altogether.. I am reviewing my programming skills and putting them in the sucky suck flail basket
Success is 1% inspiration, 99% flailing.
user3956566
hm, so that means I need to ask 100 questions to get 10 points... I think I prefer flailing :)
11:49
lol
12:12
@KevinGuan every time I see a Python answer by you - you've deleted it :)
2
12:27
@JonClements lol, I always make a lot of mistakes :P
@rene shouldn't it be postgone, as the user hasn't been removed?
Yeah, you're probably right
unless I missed something & that change was reverted
Errr... I did delete the user after I threw my spam flag on that one...
@JonClements that was after rene wrote the message, unless my browser's telling fibs & it's caching
12:30
meh
12:53
@Sam You're a c# guy right?
Sam
Sam
Yep
What's wrong with the code in that question? stackoverflow.com/questions/34566029/…
Sam
Sam
reading
@KevinGuan Are you asking us "why isn't this code working?"? :P
lol
Voting to close my self as No MCVE :P
Sam
Sam
12:57
@KevinGuan data is a byte array.
Not a string.
Hmm...fine. Answer that question as well?
Sam
Sam
I don't answer crap, to be blunt.
@KevinGuan unclear
@cybermonkey Nooooo that's clear...
@Sam You don't get rep, either.

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