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12:00 AM
@S.L.Barth Creating new server logins via form sounds like a Major security hole
 
@Mogsdad You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks!
@rene You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks!
 
yeah, which is why I asked them
 
@Tunaki You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks!
 
Happy new year, folks! (GMT)
 
user4639281
HNY!
 
12:00 AM
Happy new UTC year!
 
@MsYvette You've completed 12 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 6 hours and 41 minutes, averaging to a review every 36 minutes and 29 seconds.
 
user4639281
@Closey last session stats
 
@TinyGiant I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
O Ya, UTC NEW YEAR
 
@KevinGuan You've completed 20 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 4 hours and 19 minutes, averaging to a review every 13 minutes and 39 seconds.
 
12:02 AM
Let me guess, Closey is a bot?
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: Tiny Giant (4639281)
Start Time: 2015-12-31 23:26:21 UTC
End Time: 2016-01-01 00:01:24 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 24
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
@TinyGiant Your last completed review session ended 54 seconds ago and lasted 35 minutes and 3 seconds. You reviewed 24 items, averaging a review every 1 minute and 27 seconds.
 
user4639281
@S.L.Barth Yep
 
IS @Closey a bot?
 
@intboolstring Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@intboolstring this room is full of bots
 
Ah, found the GitHub. Let's have a look at the docs.
 
@Drew You've completed 1 CV review item(s) today, thanks!
@Kyll You've completed 3 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 7 minutes, averaging to a review every 3 minutes and 49 seconds.
 
@TinyGiant Thanks! I knew Smokey from the Tavern. Now learning about the others.
 
So many bots :)
 
user4639281
We also have a bunch of userscripts to help you spend your close votes in such a way that they make the most impact.
 
12:06 AM
Just starred and followed that repo. Who wrote the bots?
 
@TinyGiant Ah, sorting by the questions that have the most close votes?
 
user4639281
It's a group effort.
 
user4639281
@S.L.Barth That's what Closey helps with.
 
user4639281
Then we have a script to help review cv-pls requests in this room
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
12:08 AM
@S.L.Barth No, you are not a privileged user.
 
user4639281
You'll have to get someone from charcoal to add you in here.
 
That's what I thought. Need to have my account added for this room as well.
@TinyGiant No hurry, already have Smokey privilege in Charcoal and the Tavern.
 
I can't even go through the CVQ yet. Not enough rep
 
@intboolstring It'll come in time.
 
user4639281
@S.L.Barth Do you use the Editor Toolkit that is on Stack Apps?
 
12:10 AM
@S.L.Barth It will definitely come. How soon is the question
 
@Pham ENOUGH!!!!
 
@KevinGuan Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@TinyGiant Were you asking me or @intboolstring? I don't.
 
user4639281
You
 
And it's UTC New Year (+ 11 mins) now, happy New Year everyone!
 
12:11 AM
Didn't know there was one. Will have a look at it.
 
user4639281
Ah, me and mogsdad remixed it and basically put it on steroids. check it out
 
user4639281
That's our fork.
 
@KevinGuan Happy New Year! :)
 
@stribizhev Thanks :D
 
@TinyGiant If it works, it could be really nice.
 
user4639281
12:13 AM
Complete with diff, it loads on any editor on Stack Exchange and has a dictionary of fixes for common problems about 10 times the size of the original. Plus some other algorithmic wizardry.
 
Though what I really want is something to stop robo-reviewers. Robo-reviewers in the SE queue are a pet peeve of mine.
 
And, it's 8:13 AM here, new year, new year, new year :P
@Closey stats
 
user4639281
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. But the problem isn't really what most people think it is.
 
6,761 need review
2 reviews today
3,027,849 reviews all-time
 
So... what is the problem, according to you?
 
user4639281
12:14 AM
The problem is that most "robo-reviewers" actually think they are doing the right thing, they just don't know better.
 
user4639281
I've spoken with many in temporary chat rooms to address the problem and it usually comes down to that they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
 
user4639281
There's so much good information out there for reviewers, but it isn't in the right places.
 
Could you expand on what a "robo-reviewer" is? For a noobie like me @TinyGiant
 
That could be the problem.
 
user4639281
@intboolstring People who review incorrectly over and over and over and over and over again.
 
user4639281
It appears to a lot of people that they are just sitting there clicking the same button, but in reality a lot of them think they are helping.
 
user4639281
And you can't blame users for a documentation sans organization.
 
I can believe that for some edits... but I've also seen edits that introduce grammatical errors, or are outright post hijacks.
 
Yea - there have been so many posts on meta about edits that get through b/c of robo reviewers
 
user4639281
Well, with edits true robo-reviewers reject everything.
 
12:19 AM
@S.L.Barth Most of them are audits ;)
 
user4639281
There are no known good suggested edit audits.
 
user4639281
only known bad.
 
user4639281
So if you only every reject stuff in the edits queue, you'll never hit an audit.
 
Hmmm. So they need to be created?
 
@KevinGuan No, one can smell an edit review audit from a mile away. I'm talking real hijacks.
 
user4639281
12:21 AM
Triage is the worst queue there is for abuse of the system.
 
@S.L.Barth lol, that's fine.
 
I review a lot in Triage. The audits are interesting
They are insanely obvious
 
user4639281
I won't even go near it because it is just a big waste of time. No one seems to know how to use it.
 
Haven't been there in a while. Flagged a few things as LQ and the flags were declined.
 
One of the audits was once quite literally just a post where someone rubbed there hands over the keyboard for 30 seconds straight
 
12:22 AM
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Tim Castelijns's fault.
 
user4639281
Every time I've done it I go through and then go back an examine the outcomes. I am never surprised to see blatantly off-topic questions and horrible low quality content with my close vote and 3 looks good.
 
That's so frustrating.
 
user4639281
So much time wasted there.
 
user4639281
In my opinion you should have to go through a tour to access each queue. It should have extensive documentation about each action, examples of posts and what the outcome should be, etc.
 
12:25 AM
I have also noticed that the quality of posts in general on SO has decreased in the past few months.
 
@TinyGiant That could help a lot. I'm pretty sure it has been proposed on MSO.
 
@intboolstring People tend to get that feeling after sticking around in the queues for too long
 
user4639281
The rate of change at Stack Overflow, I call it "The Glacial Pace".
 
@KevinBrown: Not just in the queues, but in general.
 
"The Glacial Pace"? As in - suddenly slipping and sliding?
 
user4639281
12:27 AM
I guess that doesn't mean today what it once meant. Ok, 6-8 weeks then.
 
@TinyGiant As in changing at an alarming rate?
 
user4639281
Yeah, definitely doesn't mean what it once meant.
 
I feel like this stackoverflow.com/questions/34552389/… should be flagged, but I'm not sure what to flag as
 
I think you need a tour on how to use that tool or markup ^^^
we don't close answers
 
Ok - I probably do
 
12:32 AM
if you actually got greasemonkey or tampermonkey and installed the userscript it would be obvious from the GUI of it
 
user4639281
@intboolstring NaA and VLQ flag requests are not allowed in here. Spam and Offensive flag requests are allowed. github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/…
 
user4639281
1 message moved to Trash can
 
asked Dec 24 '15 Is just so weird to read
 
Hi everyone.
 
user4639281
Hi o/
 
12:37 AM
Hi o/
 
Hello.
 
I see you've been discussing the difficulties of being a caretaker.
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 ?
 
With the talk about "looks good" outcomes on poor posts.
 
user4639281
Oh yeah. Lack of reviewer knowledge of expectations.
 
12:42 AM
Have you tried forgetting about tidying up for a bit and just answering every question you can?
 
Both answers and caretaking are needed.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Plooooooop!
 
But if you do them in the ratio that's needed, you'll go insane.
And plop to you too.
 
user4639281
Yeah, I do that once in a while
 
Feels good, doesn't it.
 
user4639281
12:45 AM
Like I was covered in mud.
 
user4639281
Here I was all ticked off at everything, trying to post a useless answer to a duplicate question, and these guys come along and upvote it all to hell. Try and make a point around here eh?
 
Like falling and missing the ground, right?
 
user4639281
Yup.
 
@ProgramFOX Huh, so we have a Smokey command called !!/allspam. What can I do if a user's posts are !!/allrude? :P
 
1:04 AM
Happy new year -_- (a bit late but better than never :p)
 
user4639281
Still not new year for me :)
 
@TinyGiant Still not new year? In what country do you live?
 
user4639281
Canada
 
Urge to say "eh" rising
 
user4639281
So you think you know something about Canada, eh?
 
1:10 AM
I didn't say that, eh.
 
I visited Canada for the first time a couple of months ago. You have the world's most impressive paper currency – good job! :D
 
Still not new year for anyone in the U.s
 
Good thing all Canadians are polite, because they're Canadian.
 
user4639281
@TwoStraws Yeah, our money is fancy.
 
If you could describe your money in one word, what word would it be?
 
user4639281
1:15 AM
Scintillating.
 
Spent.
 
user4639281
Or Plastic.
 
user4639281
Or Sparse.
 
@Closey start event
 
@KevinGuan Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
 
1:16 AM
Oops
@Closey starting
 
@KevinGuan Don't get lost in the queue! Note: You had 888 open sessions. I have closed them.
2
 
BRB dinner.
...Eh.
 
Wat?
@Undo ^
I think these are yours.
 
Signing off for now - bye guys :)
 
user4639281
Bye
 
1:17 AM
Bye
 
user4639281
Undo's sessions are Overflowing his stack and piling up on Kevin.
 
lol
 
@KevinGuan I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
user4639281
1:31 AM
Seriously? A user recently changed their name to "Thanks in advantage".
 
user4639281
Should that user be removed as noise?
 
You can try to flag it and see what happens :)
 
use tanks for the task
 
user4639281
Omg, there are 2 pages of users with thanks in their name...
 
user4639281
1:37 AM
>implying code quality was ever a thing — BoltClock ♦ 2 mins ago
 
^ How do I have to post it?
 
Huh?
@Rizier123 That one ^
 
Ah, I had my ID at the end of the link, I think I have to remove it
 
user4639281
g̳̟̙̳̭͈̰ͭͭͪ͒̀͋̚ơ̡̳͍̪ͫ̍͋ͤ͜n̮͔̲̣̈́͌̎ͮͪ̀e̢̳̫͕̤͖̠̾͆̒̋̅͊ͩ͐͢
 
@Rizier123 Oh, that doesn't matter. I don't know what's wrong about that That does not look like a valid post URL..
 
1:46 AM
it is already deleted
 
Hi again.
 
:27851926 Deleted all your traces like a ninja :P
 
something like that
 
@TigerhawkT3 Hi again.
 
user4639281
If only it were that easy right? Deleting stuff, what a joke that is :P
 
1:58 AM
wouldn't be a good thing anyway
 
My Blek clone will use square targets instead of circular ones. I've given it a working title of "Blok." Because I am so funny.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Hi again.
 
@TigerhawkT3 I know you have the gold python badge. Can you please drop the dupe hammer on this post, stackoverflow.com/questions/34552653/… ? I flagged it (marked helpful), but it isn't closed.
 
I'm being very conservative with the hammer lately.
It was starting to seem like every time I hammered something, some high-rep, rep-whoring joker would come along to reopen it, answer it, and shout at me.
So now, for a little while at least, I'm being a high-rep rep whore and getting rep instead of arguments.
 
2:14 AM
Alright
It is your hammer to drop:)
 
@TigerhawkT3 Are you using Linux or Windows?
 
Windows.
Mostly.
I have a netbook with XP, my tower with 8.1, a mini-PC that can dual-boot 10 and Android, and a Kindle Fire with Fire OS.
 
So what's the output when you run __import__('os').path.expanduser('~') in Python? I can't test it because I don't have a Windows system.
 
user4639281
vvv That
 
2:18 AM
>>> print(os.path.expanduser('~'))
C:\Users\TigerhawkT3
 
So this question is weird...stackoverflow.com/questions/34553030
@TinyGiant lol
When i use this method like : d.get_tc("HASTALAR","20684333706","123456") gives an error : pymssql.ProgrammingError: (102, b"Incorrect syntax near 'HASTALAR'Cahit Yıldırım 22 mins ago
^ Should I ask what's d.get_tc? I'm sure that the code would be very long and hard to debug...vote to close the question and delete my answer or move on?
 
user4639281
Looks like your answer addresses the question asked, and the comment is a new question.
 
Yeah, if the problem is about d.get_tc function.
passed c++ audit
 
Kevin passed a audit!
 
I have a semi irrelevant question about an edit, may I ask?
 
user4639281
2:30 AM
Sure
 
I suggested this stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10742571 edit. It was rejected because I didn't "fix enough." Do you agree or disagree with the rejection?
 
user4639281
Turd polishing.
 
user4639281
It's an off-topic question
 
user4639281
Your edit didn't make it on-topic.
 
2:32 AM
So do you agree or disagree with the rejection?
 
user4639281
agree
 
mhm. But the rejecter literally edited it with my edit + a little more
 
user4639281
one sec, on the phone.
 
@intboolstring - I happen to be the person who rejected the edit. I saw you'd formatted the code as code, etc. but you didn't remove the 'fluff' in the question (e.g. "...confused ....Hope can get a solution about it ....."). Maybe, as Tiny Giant points out, the question itself may not be worth editing on the first place, but fluff should be removed from questions to give them a chance of being readable.
 
I agree with removing the fluff @WaiHaLee
 
user4639281
2:37 AM
Basically this: If there is no question statement in the question after you're done editing, you shouldn't have edited it.
 
Ok - thnx for the clarification
 
user4639281
A question statement requires a question mark.
 
"Didn't fix enough" isn't justification to reject a suggested edit; it's a justification to improve a suggested edit.
 
user4639281
> This edit did not correct critical issues with the post - view the revision history to see what should have been changed.
 
user4639281
That is the message that the editor receives if a suggested edit is rejected and edited.
 
2:42 AM
The edit doesn't have to be perfect; it just has to be an improvement that doesn't violate "conflicts with author's intent"/etc.
Then the common standard for edits doesn't match the edit rejection message.
 
user4639281
Well, that isn't a good example because it left a blatantly off-topic question as blatantly off-topic.
 
"You didn't contribute enough of your time" is not the same as "the changes you suggested were ill-advised."
If a question has horrible code formatting and someone takes 15 minutes to painstakingly correct it, would you reject and edit because they missed a "thx and happy new year" at the end?
 
user4639281
No, but if they edit a blatantly off-topic question and leave most of the problems as well as leaving it off-topic, I would.
 
Isn't the closest rejection reason for that "no improvement whatsoever"?
 
@WaiHaLee Nah, I'd agree with Tiger: I always improve it if I'll do the same thing but just improve more.
And back.
 
user4639281
2:46 AM
Yeah, I usually wouldn't reject and edit it myself. But I can see why.
 
Kinda weird how the reason displayed to the reviewer says "not any(improvements)" but the reason displayed to the editor is "not all(improvements)."
That's the sort of thing that'll make people give up.
 
Reject this edit, because this question isn't about programming? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10742586
 
user4639281
The biggest problem that I see is that the edit didn't make the question any more on-topic than it was before. This becomes especially bad when the question is closed, and the edit pushes the question into the reopen queue, ruining any chance of the OP being able to get their question reopened inthe queue ever again.
 
Ah. That part of the system might need to be looked at, then.
 
user4639281
Or you know, we could just reject bad edits to bad questions.
 
2:51 AM
Assuming we want to encourage bits of help rather than going "don't touch it unless it's perfect or you'll break it."
 
user4639281
Score the post in your head, if the edit does not bring the score above zero, is it worth it?
 
I don't think I'm a good judge on that basis; I can't remember the last time I upvoted a question.
 
user4639281
I'd say the question before the edit was a -8 (on a scale from -10 to +10), and the edit brought it up to a -3. there are many more useful things a user could be doing besides editing doomed posts.
 
And "is it worth it" is subjective, and not the same as "was it an improvement."
 
passed java audit
 
2:53 AM
Kevin passed a audit!
 
user4639281
There are many more useful things that all of those reviewers could be doing rather than reviewing suggested edits to doomed posts.
 
As long as a user is polishing the turd rather than making it worse, I don't think they should be punished for it. And if the "correct" edit includes all the changes that the suggested edit had... that's just wrong.
It belies the very definitions of "improve" and "reject."
 
user4639281
I agree it shouldn't have been rejected and edited, it should have been merely rejected.
 
user4639281
No improvement to the edit can make the question on-topic without input from the OP.
 
Kevin passed a audit!
 
2:55 AM
Just keep in mind that this sort of thing makes people stop trying.
 
passed mongodb audit
 
user4639281
If you want to go and edit on-topic questions with minor fixes, by all means.
 
user4639281
But if the questions is extremely likely to end up being deleted then you're just creating a useless feedback loop.
 
I don't, because I'm one of the people in question.
That doesn't mean the suggested edit is bad; it means the path of problematic posts has an issue.
 
user4639281
If I reject an edit like that, it is too teach the user that they should be editing on-topic posts to improve them, not editing doomed posts to slow their demise.
 
user4639281
2:58 AM
again though, if you can make it into an on-topic question, I will totally approve the edit.
 
user4639281
Even if it doesn't fix every problem.
 
user4639281
But fixing some formatting on a blatantly off-topic question is just busy work.
 
quick, criticize his OS / browser / other things in the screenshot!
 
I guess that's a good thing to teach in the current environment, but it would be better if we could resolve the root problem rather than punishing anyone who displays a symptom. Or at least telling people about this behavior up front rather than teaching them through punishment after they've already broken something.
 
user4639281
3:04 AM
Yeah, the prevailing problem being that the massive pile of useful information is stored in a massive pile.
 
Most useful info is on SO, but most info on SO isn't useful.
 
woot, 2 hours until 2016 here
 
Kind of like the Internet in general.
 
@TigerhawkT3 blastmaphy!
 
@gunr2171 lol
 
user4639281
3:09 AM
I wouldn't say that most of the information is not useful, its just that when you're looking for something, most of the information you're likely to find won't be what you're looking for.
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan You're using KDE?
 
Nope, Cinnamon (based on Gnome :P)
 
I was going to say he's not logged into Last Pass
 
sigh, relogging.
 
user4639281
Ahhh, that's why it looks like that.
 
3:10 AM
I don't know about you and your preferred tags, but when I look at my preferred tag I see mostly downvoted and/or closed questions.
 
@TinyGiant Great
@Pham stats
 
6,583 need review
103 reviews today
3,027,950 reviews all-time
 
3:25 AM
This answer looks was posted by the project owner right? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/10742474
 
@KevinGuan probably? looks like it just needs cleaned up to make it look less like a response on a forum?
 
@cimmanon what happened to the dog / bear / can't remember what it was : (
 
user4639281
Wasn't it a fox?
 
it was a doge
 
@cimmanon I don't know. Seems like the project owner says: Hey! Thanks for this, I'll fix it soon. However I asked a question and the project's owner changed his project and answered my question...huh, I did that twice on two different projects.
 
user4639281
3:29 AM
Ahhh a doge, that makes sense.
 
@KevinGuan judging by the answer, it looks like it is fixed in the dev branch so the OP should be able to get it right now?
 
so cute!
 
@cimmanon Huh, seems right.
And the answer's author also called sfairgrieve. Project owner confirmed. :P
 
3:51 AM
Does anyone else prefer that a window's scrollbar allow you to have the cursor as far away from the scroll area as you like, rather than snapping back to the original spot if you move too far?
 
user4639281
Yes
 
You mean this? Yeah, I hate that. I want to be able to move my mouse all the way over
 
Maybe it's to allow people to quickly compare one area to the other?
 
@TigerhawkT3 Don't care, never use it. I enabled edge scrolling in the touch pad setting panel.
 
@pham Your cute avatar makes me want to sleep on your head, curled in a ball.
 
3:54 AM
@bjb568isceilingkat Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@bjb568isceilingkat And @Yam's sad now.
 
Oh, Yam too. I just didn't see @Yam.
 
Granted, when I want to compare one area of a window to another, I'll just save them with my AHK script.
 
@bjb568isceilingkat And then, you forget @Sam at all :P
 
3:56 AM
Too many bots!
 
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's gunr2171's fault.
 
user4639281
Smokey is on hiatus in here right now, he's only here for the fun stuff.
 
@Closey alive
 
@TylerH I'm alive and kicking!
 
3:57 AM
good, I'm gonna do some new years reviews in a bit
 
@TinyGiant No, Sam is also only here for the fun stuff.
 
SOCVR is serious business you guys
 
user4639281
Seeryus bizniss yo.
 
@gunr2171 SOCVR®
 

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